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It isn't great PR to hire somebody who investiaged one of the biggest political scandals in recent years...
A pretty dumb decision if you ask me.
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Morning BH! I think as tam mentions the initial noise will filter away over the next few weeks, and what Labour will be left with is a highly respected and competent former civil servant as part of their team going into government next year.
I don’t think anyone is taking seriously the wailing and gnashing of teeth from the likes of Mogg and Dorries, the falling apart under the straightforward question “did sue gray organise or attend the parties?” an entertaining way to watch them flip and flop like a caught salmon.
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comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
posted 12 minutes ago
It isn't great PR to hire somebody who investiaged one of the biggest political scandals in recent years...
A pretty dumb decision if you ask me.
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Morning BH! I think as tam mentions the initial noise will filter away over the next few weeks, and what Labour will be left with is a highly respected and competent former civil servant as part of their team going into government next year.
I don’t think anyone is taking seriously the wailing and gnashing of teeth from the likes of Mogg and Dorries, the falling apart under the straightforward question “did sue gray organise or attend the parties?” an entertaining way to watch them flip and flop like a caught salmon.
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Morning, hope you are well mate.
I'm not concerned with the short-term impact of the decision - rather I am concerned over the outcomes will be in the long term.
I want Boris and the conservatives to be remembered for partygate and the Sue Grey report findings. Currently their arguments seem quite silly, but further down the line I think it gives Conservatives an option of deniability, and at a certain point voters will be apathetic to the whole thing.
Conservatives are very good at muddying the truth through just the sheer repetition of lies. This appointment allows them to do this.
I get what you're saying but it's only GB News types and useless 2019 Tory intake who are trying to suggest this appointment implies Sue Gray was biased
We've got photo evidence of the parties and written evidence of the acknowledgment they were wrong and trying to cover it up
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posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
I get what you're saying but it's only GB News types and useless 2019 Tory intake who are trying to suggest this appointment implies Sue Gray was biased
We've got photo evidence of the parties and written evidence of the acknowledgment they were wrong and trying to cover it up
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It's the timing of when discussions first took place that is the issue. If there's an overlap with Gray doing the partygate inquiry then of course the Tories will look to exploit that as any political party would.
I haven't seen the news yet today but as of yesterday Starmer wouldn't say when Gray was first approached which suggests he's got something to hide.
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What are we making of the WhatsApp Oakshott/Hancock leaks? Given it is oakshott and the telegraph (as opposed to the times) I am suspicious of their agenda with the selective distribution. I’m also not sure how interesting they are so far. Johnson doesn’t understand basic maths - no surprise. Cummings having to explain basic concepts to Tory ministers - no surprise. Hancock has boring banter - no surprise. Hancock utterly clueless - no surprise. All very meh but being released to push an “anti-lockdown” narrative.
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1) The Telegraph is trying to reframe Covid lockdowns as the wrong thing to do so will released carefully curated messages to help sway opinion
2) Oakeshotts husband has a vested in smearing the Tories as his reform party is just begging for Tory votes so discrediting them is a win for him
3) Tice make a huge faux pas to the Covid denier crowd with his comments on Andrew Bridgen so this is his big effort to win them over
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What are we making of the WhatsApp Oakshott/Hancock leaks? Given it is oakshott and the telegraph (as opposed to the times) I am suspicious of their agenda with the selective distribution. I’m also not sure how interesting they are so far. Johnson doesn’t understand basic maths - no surprise. Cummings having to explain basic concepts to Tory ministers - no surprise. Hancock has boring banter - no surprise. Hancock utterly clueless - no surprise. All very meh but being released to push an “anti-lockdown” narrative.
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1) The Telegraph is trying to reframe Covid lockdowns as the wrong thing to do so will released carefully curated messages to help sway opinion
2) Oakeshotts husband has a vested in smearing the Tories as his reform party is just begging for Tory votes so discrediting them is a win for him
3) Tice make a huge faux pas to the Covid denier crowd with his comments on Andrew Bridgen so this is his big effort to win them over
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I hope Oakeshotts career takes a nosedive as a result of her breaking the NDA and the obvious lack of trust that any potential new clients should now have in her .
My understanding is that all Hancocks comments have been made available for the IndyCovidinquiry so there was no need for her to reveal them.
Public interest my rathole, more like her fellas interests.
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posted 2 hours, 16 minutes ago
What are we making of the WhatsApp Oakshott/Hancock leaks? Given it is oakshott and the telegraph (as opposed to the times) I am suspicious of their agenda with the selective distribution. I’m also not sure how interesting they are so far. Johnson doesn’t understand basic maths - no surprise. Cummings having to explain basic concepts to Tory ministers - no surprise. Hancock has boring banter - no surprise. Hancock utterly clueless - no surprise. All very meh but being released to push an “anti-lockdown” narrative.
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1) The Telegraph is trying to reframe Covid lockdowns as the wrong thing to do so will released carefully curated messages to help sway opinion
2) Oakeshotts husband has a vested in smearing the Tories as his reform party is just begging for Tory votes so discrediting them is a win for him
3) Tice make a huge faux pas to the Covid denier crowd with his comments on Andrew Bridgen so this is his big effort to win them over
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I hope Oakeshotts career takes a nosedive as a result of her breaking the NDA and the obvious lack of trust that any potential new clients should now have in her .
My understanding is that all Hancocks comments have been made available for the IndyCovidinquiry so there was no need for her to reveal them.
Public interest my rathole, more like her fellas interests.
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She’s made an enemy of Murdoch so will be interesting to see what hounds he releases on her.
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Don't know if anyone else has noticed or if it has been widely reported and I've missed it, but...
When you report a tweet on Twitter, the process asks you for a reason why the content you're referring should be reviewed. There are various different categories: hate speech, defamation, gore/violence, etc.
I just tried to report a tweet including a demonstrably false and dangerous statement (about miscarriage rates for pregnant women who have been vaccinated against COVID-19), and the previously existing option to report such (I can't remember exactly how it was entitled or described, but it was basically a 'dangerous misinformation' catch-all) has been removed.
This means there is no longer any way to report tweets containing harmful misinformation on Twitter.
Completely unsurprising, and further evidence of what Musk is up to.
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Musk and many others love misinformation, disinformation and outright lies. They see it as freedom of speech. Fact checkers are the enemy. People who actually know what they're talking about are the enemy. It's frightening.
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It isn't about protecting or championing freedom of speech for them though.
It's about normalising the concept of alternative facts, purposefully muddying all waters with a soup of conflicting reports to the extent (in their aims, at least) that the general public is no longer able to discern fact from fiction.
What's left is a populous that struggles more and more to get a grip on what's really happening in the world around them and why, and becomes more and more susceptible to even the most casually-constructed propaganda, leaving those who have the strongest ability to reach, capture and monopolise their attention free to push the narratives serving their own ends.
It's straight out of the fascist playbook, and frighteningly effective, as we've seen with Trump, Bolsonaro, the Brexit campaigns and Johnson's govt, and the media successes of the likes of Fox News.
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Complete one-sided brainwashed nonsense, as per usual.
No mention of SAGE and the ton of crap they came out with which was entirely misleading on many occasions, no mention of CNN doing the exact same crap that FOX does, no mention of Clinton/Democrats with the fake Russian links, no mention of the 2016 election being 'stolen', no mention of Twitter blocking the Hunter Biden story and banning the New York Post.
It's only Elon Musk, Trump, Jonhson, Bolsonaro and the Brexit campaigns and Fox that carry out this deliberate misinformation.
Truly, truly sad. #echochamber
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Who is being sued by Dominion for their misinfir... Oh fek call it what it is... Lies.
Defend your heroes to the end SatNav. Oh and your post is the definition of whataboutery.
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No it isn’t, it’s pointing out the blatant bias of the previous post. It’s of no surprise to me that Fox is in trouble but they’re not the only guilty party, despite what that previous post would have you believe.
None of them are my heroes SoQ, no need to be childish.
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The challenge you’ve got though Satters is that what you’re equating (Fox v CNN for example) aren’t equivalent. CNN you can argue at times has been one-sided, and much like the bbc it’s foreign coverage is much better than national coverage. However, this is evidently different from the active, deliberate, and potentially criminal disinformation campaign that Fox News engaged in.
Similarly on SAGE, and it’s amusing to me the false narratives being constructed by the likes of Nelson and his anti-lockdown comrades, I’m not quite sure what you’re equating them to? Vaccine disinformation? “Lockdown sceptics” ?
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Why aren’t they equivalent? Because you say so? Did CNN not make up stories deliberately to get Trump out of office? Did they not practice propaganda? Did CNN not wax lyrical endlessly about Russia hacking the 2016 elections?
Sorry but they are definitely equivalent, I’m surprised you even tried to say otherwise….
On SAGE, I’m not talking about anti-vax lunatics, I went through the figures (you and I did several times) once we both got the timescales wrong which put things into context but several others they were plastering the absolute worst, worst case scenarios and even then the numbers were way out of whack with reality, time & time again. ‘These aren’t projections’ remember that nonsense?
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So on CNN v Fox, the current legal troubles facing Fox News I think are telling around their respective roles. Their viewers have continuously been the most ill-informed of any mainstream outlet. Hardly surprising given the deliberate colluded disinformation coming from many of their presenters. In terms of actual known information that is public, it paints Fox News as a uniquely bad mainstream media institution. In fact, I recall on this site previously where the “Fox News isn’t to be believed” narrative was suggested. That’s not the same as CNN. Now trump and his campaign are not against the idea of suing, in fact culturally they actively support it. Thus one must wonder why they haven’t sued CNN for what you are suggesting? Occums razor would lead one to conclude that CNN, while it may have had elements of bias, is nowhere near the legally questionable position that Fox News finds itself in.
On the other stuff on SAGE I get you now, but I do think (as I said at the time) the way this information was interpreted and spread by media organisations was unhelpful to say the least. It was, and this is something I see in CNN and is a function of 24 hour news cycles, sensationalised IMO. The absolute most extreme figure from a report presented and shouted from the rooftops, not by SAGE, not by the scientific community, but by politicians of all sides looking to make political moves and by media organisations across the spectrum.
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As per my reply on this on another thread:
“Our focus was to get Trump out of office, right? Without saying it, that’s what it was.”
Chester explained how they overdramatized Trump health issues by bringing in medical experts.
“[Trump’s] hand was shaking or whatever, I think. We brought in so many medical people to all tell a story that was all speculation – that he was neurologically damaged, and he was losing it. He’s unfit to – you know – whatever. We were creating a story there that we didn’t know anything about. I think that’s propaganda,” he said.
Asked by the sleuth if he and CNN were concerned with Joe Biden’s health during the election, Chester said the network had that in mind.
“Showing him jogging is obviously deflection of his age and they’re [CNN] trying to make it like, ‘Oh, I’m healthy,'” Chester said.
- Charlie Chester CNN Technical Director
To quote your words mate: “the active, deliberate, and potentially criminal disinformation campaign” which word there does not apply directly to the above? And is somewhat more than “elements of bias” bro. Come on now big man.
I’m not interested in having a CNN Vs Fox debate. I was simply highlighting the standard, obviously one-sided list that came from one of the resident ideologues. All of the points I have made are correct yet were unsurprisingly not listed by the ideologue; you know because Right bad & evil and Left virtuous and good. It’s so boring, I’m surprised I don’t see anyone else calling it out.
Trump is suing CNN as it happens 🤣
https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/oct/03/trump-sues-cnn-defamation-punitive-damages
I don’t give SAGE a complete free pass personally but yes the politicians and certain media outlets were certainly guilty ones using selective data points. But SAGE’s data was way off too, waaaay off. I remember saying that I’d rather have you doing it. Even the best case scenarios were way off, it was a mess imo.
SATy
do you like Chloe's bikini ?
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What are we making of the WhatsApp Oakshott/Hancock leaks? Given it is oakshott and the telegraph (as opposed to the times) I am suspicious of their agenda with the selective distribution. I’m also not sure how interesting they are so far. Johnson doesn’t understand basic maths - no surprise. Cummings having to explain basic concepts to Tory ministers - no surprise. Hancock has boring banter - no surprise. Hancock utterly clueless - no surprise. All very meh but being released to push an “anti-lockdown” narrative.
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1) The Telegraph is trying to reframe Covid lockdowns as the wrong thing to do so will released carefully curated messages to help sway opinion
2) Oakeshotts husband has a vested in smearing the Tories as his reform party is just begging for Tory votes so discrediting them is a win for him
3) Tice make a huge faux pas to the Covid denier crowd with his comments on Andrew Bridgen so this is his big effort to win them over
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I hope Oakeshotts career takes a nosedive as a result of her breaking the NDA and the obvious lack of trust that any potential new clients should now have in her .
My understanding is that all Hancocks comments have been made available for the IndyCovidinquiry so there was no need for her to reveal them.
Public interest my rathole, more like her fellas interests.
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She’s made an enemy of Murdoch so will be interesting to see what hounds he releases on her.
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Oakeshott is dreadful, and I don't for one minute buy her 'in the overwhelming public interest' garbage.
But as others have pointed out, there doesn't seem to be anything particularly surprising in the messages, so far at least.
And it may even backfire on her (I truly hope it does), because she seems to have angered and alienated a few of the anti-lockdowners and Covid-deniers.
And I suspect Bridgen is annoyed that she's stolen the limelight from him just when he was getting going.
An autistic student gets suspended after a Quran get’s “slightly scuffed” despite it not being with malicious intent.
Yet after the people who sent the student multiple death threats are let off
Wtf what a joke
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An autistic student gets suspended after a Quran get’s “slightly scuffed” despite it not being with malicious intent.
Yet after the people who sent the student multiple death threats are let off
Wtf what a joke
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Kids sent an autistic kid death threats and got nothing? Genius
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An autistic student gets suspended after a Quran get’s “slightly scuffed” despite it not being with malicious intent.
Yet after the people who sent the student multiple death threats are let off
Wtf what a joke
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Kids sent an autistic kid death threats and got nothing? Genius
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Whereabouts is this?
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An autistic student gets suspended after a Quran get’s “slightly scuffed” despite it not being with malicious intent.
Yet after the people who sent the student multiple death threats are let off
Wtf what a joke
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Kids sent an autistic kid death threats and got nothing? Genius
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Whereabouts is this?
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Wakefield
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An autistic student gets suspended after a Quran get’s “slightly scuffed” despite it not being with malicious intent.
Yet after the people who sent the student multiple death threats are let off
Wtf what a joke
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Kids sent an autistic kid death threats and got nothing? Genius
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Whereabouts is this?
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Wakefield
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Really grim 😒
I don’t mean Wakefield of course, but that it is happening there. Police decide they didn’t fancy following up on the death threats?
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An autistic student gets suspended after a Quran get’s “slightly scuffed” despite it not being with malicious intent.
Yet after the people who sent the student multiple death threats are let off
Wtf what a joke
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Kids sent an autistic kid death threats and got nothing? Genius
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Whereabouts is this?
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Wakefield
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Really grim 😒
I don’t mean Wakefield of course, but that it is happening there. Police decide they didn’t fancy following up on the death threats?
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Apparently they gave the kids ‘advice’
What are the safe and lawful routes to apply for asylum in this country?
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What are the safe and lawful routes to apply for asylum in this country?
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I think they’ve been filed away with the Brexit benefits…
Two years after the UK transitioned out of the European Union nearly two-thirds of Britons now support a referendum on rejoining.
A Savanta survey for The Independent also shows that the number of people who oppose another vote has fallen, with less than a quarter of voters now against a referendum.
Since then Britons believe the economy, the UK’s global influence and the ability to control our own borders have all got worse, the survey also shows.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-poll-referendum-rejoin-eu-b2250813.html
BREXIT FOOOOKING BRITAIN
But but but how would another vote be respecting democracy?
Try respecting the last democratic vote.
It has been respected. You got what you wanted and its 💩. Now the majority are unhappy with it and if another referendum was proposed, there is a good chance it would be voted for.
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comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
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I get what you're saying but it's only GB News types and useless 2019 Tory intake who are trying to suggest this appointment implies Sue Gray was biased
We've got photo evidence of the parties and written evidence of the acknowledgment they were wrong and trying to cover it up
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It's the timing of when discussions first took place that is the issue. If there's an overlap with Gray doing the partygate inquiry then of course the Tories will look to exploit that as any political party would.
I haven't seen the news yet today but as of yesterday Starmer wouldn't say when Gray was first approached which suggests he's got something to hide.
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I agree it looks like he has something to hide.
I also think it tarnishes the image he's trying to build for himself. As someone who will restore standards.
I'm not surprised.
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comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
posted 12 minutes ago
It isn't great PR to hire somebody who investiaged one of the biggest political scandals in recent years...
A pretty dumb decision if you ask me.
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Morning BH! I think as tam mentions the initial noise will filter away over the next few weeks, and what Labour will be left with is a highly respected and competent former civil servant as part of their team going into government next year.
I don’t think anyone is taking seriously the wailing and gnashing of teeth from the likes of Mogg and Dorries, the falling apart under the straightforward question “did sue gray organise or attend the parties?” an entertaining way to watch them flip and flop like a caught salmon.
posted on 4/3/23
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comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
posted 12 minutes ago
It isn't great PR to hire somebody who investiaged one of the biggest political scandals in recent years...
A pretty dumb decision if you ask me.
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Morning BH! I think as tam mentions the initial noise will filter away over the next few weeks, and what Labour will be left with is a highly respected and competent former civil servant as part of their team going into government next year.
I don’t think anyone is taking seriously the wailing and gnashing of teeth from the likes of Mogg and Dorries, the falling apart under the straightforward question “did sue gray organise or attend the parties?” an entertaining way to watch them flip and flop like a caught salmon.
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Morning, hope you are well mate.
I'm not concerned with the short-term impact of the decision - rather I am concerned over the outcomes will be in the long term.
I want Boris and the conservatives to be remembered for partygate and the Sue Grey report findings. Currently their arguments seem quite silly, but further down the line I think it gives Conservatives an option of deniability, and at a certain point voters will be apathetic to the whole thing.
Conservatives are very good at muddying the truth through just the sheer repetition of lies. This appointment allows them to do this.
posted on 4/3/23
I get what you're saying but it's only GB News types and useless 2019 Tory intake who are trying to suggest this appointment implies Sue Gray was biased
We've got photo evidence of the parties and written evidence of the acknowledgment they were wrong and trying to cover it up
posted on 4/3/23
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
I get what you're saying but it's only GB News types and useless 2019 Tory intake who are trying to suggest this appointment implies Sue Gray was biased
We've got photo evidence of the parties and written evidence of the acknowledgment they were wrong and trying to cover it up
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It's the timing of when discussions first took place that is the issue. If there's an overlap with Gray doing the partygate inquiry then of course the Tories will look to exploit that as any political party would.
I haven't seen the news yet today but as of yesterday Starmer wouldn't say when Gray was first approached which suggests he's got something to hide.
posted on 4/3/23
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 2 hours, 16 minutes ago
What are we making of the WhatsApp Oakshott/Hancock leaks? Given it is oakshott and the telegraph (as opposed to the times) I am suspicious of their agenda with the selective distribution. I’m also not sure how interesting they are so far. Johnson doesn’t understand basic maths - no surprise. Cummings having to explain basic concepts to Tory ministers - no surprise. Hancock has boring banter - no surprise. Hancock utterly clueless - no surprise. All very meh but being released to push an “anti-lockdown” narrative.
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1) The Telegraph is trying to reframe Covid lockdowns as the wrong thing to do so will released carefully curated messages to help sway opinion
2) Oakeshotts husband has a vested in smearing the Tories as his reform party is just begging for Tory votes so discrediting them is a win for him
3) Tice make a huge faux pas to the Covid denier crowd with his comments on Andrew Bridgen so this is his big effort to win them over
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What are we making of the WhatsApp Oakshott/Hancock leaks? Given it is oakshott and the telegraph (as opposed to the times) I am suspicious of their agenda with the selective distribution. I’m also not sure how interesting they are so far. Johnson doesn’t understand basic maths - no surprise. Cummings having to explain basic concepts to Tory ministers - no surprise. Hancock has boring banter - no surprise. Hancock utterly clueless - no surprise. All very meh but being released to push an “anti-lockdown” narrative.
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1) The Telegraph is trying to reframe Covid lockdowns as the wrong thing to do so will released carefully curated messages to help sway opinion
2) Oakeshotts husband has a vested in smearing the Tories as his reform party is just begging for Tory votes so discrediting them is a win for him
3) Tice make a huge faux pas to the Covid denier crowd with his comments on Andrew Bridgen so this is his big effort to win them over
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I hope Oakeshotts career takes a nosedive as a result of her breaking the NDA and the obvious lack of trust that any potential new clients should now have in her .
My understanding is that all Hancocks comments have been made available for the IndyCovidinquiry so there was no need for her to reveal them.
Public interest my rathole, more like her fellas interests.
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What are we making of the WhatsApp Oakshott/Hancock leaks? Given it is oakshott and the telegraph (as opposed to the times) I am suspicious of their agenda with the selective distribution. I’m also not sure how interesting they are so far. Johnson doesn’t understand basic maths - no surprise. Cummings having to explain basic concepts to Tory ministers - no surprise. Hancock has boring banter - no surprise. Hancock utterly clueless - no surprise. All very meh but being released to push an “anti-lockdown” narrative.
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1) The Telegraph is trying to reframe Covid lockdowns as the wrong thing to do so will released carefully curated messages to help sway opinion
2) Oakeshotts husband has a vested in smearing the Tories as his reform party is just begging for Tory votes so discrediting them is a win for him
3) Tice make a huge faux pas to the Covid denier crowd with his comments on Andrew Bridgen so this is his big effort to win them over
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I hope Oakeshotts career takes a nosedive as a result of her breaking the NDA and the obvious lack of trust that any potential new clients should now have in her .
My understanding is that all Hancocks comments have been made available for the IndyCovidinquiry so there was no need for her to reveal them.
Public interest my rathole, more like her fellas interests.
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She’s made an enemy of Murdoch so will be interesting to see what hounds he releases on her.
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Don't know if anyone else has noticed or if it has been widely reported and I've missed it, but...
When you report a tweet on Twitter, the process asks you for a reason why the content you're referring should be reviewed. There are various different categories: hate speech, defamation, gore/violence, etc.
I just tried to report a tweet including a demonstrably false and dangerous statement (about miscarriage rates for pregnant women who have been vaccinated against COVID-19), and the previously existing option to report such (I can't remember exactly how it was entitled or described, but it was basically a 'dangerous misinformation' catch-all) has been removed.
This means there is no longer any way to report tweets containing harmful misinformation on Twitter.
Completely unsurprising, and further evidence of what Musk is up to.
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Musk and many others love misinformation, disinformation and outright lies. They see it as freedom of speech. Fact checkers are the enemy. People who actually know what they're talking about are the enemy. It's frightening.
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It isn't about protecting or championing freedom of speech for them though.
It's about normalising the concept of alternative facts, purposefully muddying all waters with a soup of conflicting reports to the extent (in their aims, at least) that the general public is no longer able to discern fact from fiction.
What's left is a populous that struggles more and more to get a grip on what's really happening in the world around them and why, and becomes more and more susceptible to even the most casually-constructed propaganda, leaving those who have the strongest ability to reach, capture and monopolise their attention free to push the narratives serving their own ends.
It's straight out of the fascist playbook, and frighteningly effective, as we've seen with Trump, Bolsonaro, the Brexit campaigns and Johnson's govt, and the media successes of the likes of Fox News.
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Complete one-sided brainwashed nonsense, as per usual.
No mention of SAGE and the ton of crap they came out with which was entirely misleading on many occasions, no mention of CNN doing the exact same crap that FOX does, no mention of Clinton/Democrats with the fake Russian links, no mention of the 2016 election being 'stolen', no mention of Twitter blocking the Hunter Biden story and banning the New York Post.
It's only Elon Musk, Trump, Jonhson, Bolsonaro and the Brexit campaigns and Fox that carry out this deliberate misinformation.
Truly, truly sad. #echochamber
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Who is being sued by Dominion for their misinfir... Oh fek call it what it is... Lies.
Defend your heroes to the end SatNav. Oh and your post is the definition of whataboutery.
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No it isn’t, it’s pointing out the blatant bias of the previous post. It’s of no surprise to me that Fox is in trouble but they’re not the only guilty party, despite what that previous post would have you believe.
None of them are my heroes SoQ, no need to be childish.
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The challenge you’ve got though Satters is that what you’re equating (Fox v CNN for example) aren’t equivalent. CNN you can argue at times has been one-sided, and much like the bbc it’s foreign coverage is much better than national coverage. However, this is evidently different from the active, deliberate, and potentially criminal disinformation campaign that Fox News engaged in.
Similarly on SAGE, and it’s amusing to me the false narratives being constructed by the likes of Nelson and his anti-lockdown comrades, I’m not quite sure what you’re equating them to? Vaccine disinformation? “Lockdown sceptics” ?
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Why aren’t they equivalent? Because you say so? Did CNN not make up stories deliberately to get Trump out of office? Did they not practice propaganda? Did CNN not wax lyrical endlessly about Russia hacking the 2016 elections?
Sorry but they are definitely equivalent, I’m surprised you even tried to say otherwise….
On SAGE, I’m not talking about anti-vax lunatics, I went through the figures (you and I did several times) once we both got the timescales wrong which put things into context but several others they were plastering the absolute worst, worst case scenarios and even then the numbers were way out of whack with reality, time & time again. ‘These aren’t projections’ remember that nonsense?
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So on CNN v Fox, the current legal troubles facing Fox News I think are telling around their respective roles. Their viewers have continuously been the most ill-informed of any mainstream outlet. Hardly surprising given the deliberate colluded disinformation coming from many of their presenters. In terms of actual known information that is public, it paints Fox News as a uniquely bad mainstream media institution. In fact, I recall on this site previously where the “Fox News isn’t to be believed” narrative was suggested. That’s not the same as CNN. Now trump and his campaign are not against the idea of suing, in fact culturally they actively support it. Thus one must wonder why they haven’t sued CNN for what you are suggesting? Occums razor would lead one to conclude that CNN, while it may have had elements of bias, is nowhere near the legally questionable position that Fox News finds itself in.
On the other stuff on SAGE I get you now, but I do think (as I said at the time) the way this information was interpreted and spread by media organisations was unhelpful to say the least. It was, and this is something I see in CNN and is a function of 24 hour news cycles, sensationalised IMO. The absolute most extreme figure from a report presented and shouted from the rooftops, not by SAGE, not by the scientific community, but by politicians of all sides looking to make political moves and by media organisations across the spectrum.
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As per my reply on this on another thread:
“Our focus was to get Trump out of office, right? Without saying it, that’s what it was.”
Chester explained how they overdramatized Trump health issues by bringing in medical experts.
“[Trump’s] hand was shaking or whatever, I think. We brought in so many medical people to all tell a story that was all speculation – that he was neurologically damaged, and he was losing it. He’s unfit to – you know – whatever. We were creating a story there that we didn’t know anything about. I think that’s propaganda,” he said.
Asked by the sleuth if he and CNN were concerned with Joe Biden’s health during the election, Chester said the network had that in mind.
“Showing him jogging is obviously deflection of his age and they’re [CNN] trying to make it like, ‘Oh, I’m healthy,'” Chester said.
- Charlie Chester CNN Technical Director
To quote your words mate: “the active, deliberate, and potentially criminal disinformation campaign” which word there does not apply directly to the above? And is somewhat more than “elements of bias” bro. Come on now big man.
I’m not interested in having a CNN Vs Fox debate. I was simply highlighting the standard, obviously one-sided list that came from one of the resident ideologues. All of the points I have made are correct yet were unsurprisingly not listed by the ideologue; you know because Right bad & evil and Left virtuous and good. It’s so boring, I’m surprised I don’t see anyone else calling it out.
Trump is suing CNN as it happens 🤣
https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/oct/03/trump-sues-cnn-defamation-punitive-damages
I don’t give SAGE a complete free pass personally but yes the politicians and certain media outlets were certainly guilty ones using selective data points. But SAGE’s data was way off too, waaaay off. I remember saying that I’d rather have you doing it. Even the best case scenarios were way off, it was a mess imo.
posted on 4/3/23
SATy
do you like Chloe's bikini ?
posted on 4/3/23
comment by Robb - Marry me Alissa White-Gluz (U22716)
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comment by Robb - Marry me Alissa White-Gluz (U22716)
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comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
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What are we making of the WhatsApp Oakshott/Hancock leaks? Given it is oakshott and the telegraph (as opposed to the times) I am suspicious of their agenda with the selective distribution. I’m also not sure how interesting they are so far. Johnson doesn’t understand basic maths - no surprise. Cummings having to explain basic concepts to Tory ministers - no surprise. Hancock has boring banter - no surprise. Hancock utterly clueless - no surprise. All very meh but being released to push an “anti-lockdown” narrative.
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1) The Telegraph is trying to reframe Covid lockdowns as the wrong thing to do so will released carefully curated messages to help sway opinion
2) Oakeshotts husband has a vested in smearing the Tories as his reform party is just begging for Tory votes so discrediting them is a win for him
3) Tice make a huge faux pas to the Covid denier crowd with his comments on Andrew Bridgen so this is his big effort to win them over
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I hope Oakeshotts career takes a nosedive as a result of her breaking the NDA and the obvious lack of trust that any potential new clients should now have in her .
My understanding is that all Hancocks comments have been made available for the IndyCovidinquiry so there was no need for her to reveal them.
Public interest my rathole, more like her fellas interests.
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She’s made an enemy of Murdoch so will be interesting to see what hounds he releases on her.
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Oakeshott is dreadful, and I don't for one minute buy her 'in the overwhelming public interest' garbage.
But as others have pointed out, there doesn't seem to be anything particularly surprising in the messages, so far at least.
And it may even backfire on her (I truly hope it does), because she seems to have angered and alienated a few of the anti-lockdowners and Covid-deniers.
And I suspect Bridgen is annoyed that she's stolen the limelight from him just when he was getting going.
posted on 4/3/23
An autistic student gets suspended after a Quran get’s “slightly scuffed” despite it not being with malicious intent.
Yet after the people who sent the student multiple death threats are let off
Wtf what a joke
posted on 4/3/23
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
An autistic student gets suspended after a Quran get’s “slightly scuffed” despite it not being with malicious intent.
Yet after the people who sent the student multiple death threats are let off
Wtf what a joke
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Kids sent an autistic kid death threats and got nothing? Genius
posted on 5/3/23
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 17 hours, 53 minutes ago
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
An autistic student gets suspended after a Quran get’s “slightly scuffed” despite it not being with malicious intent.
Yet after the people who sent the student multiple death threats are let off
Wtf what a joke
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Kids sent an autistic kid death threats and got nothing? Genius
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Whereabouts is this?
posted on 5/3/23
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 17 hours, 53 minutes ago
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
An autistic student gets suspended after a Quran get’s “slightly scuffed” despite it not being with malicious intent.
Yet after the people who sent the student multiple death threats are let off
Wtf what a joke
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Kids sent an autistic kid death threats and got nothing? Genius
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Whereabouts is this?
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Wakefield
posted on 5/3/23
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 17 hours, 53 minutes ago
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
An autistic student gets suspended after a Quran get’s “slightly scuffed” despite it not being with malicious intent.
Yet after the people who sent the student multiple death threats are let off
Wtf what a joke
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Kids sent an autistic kid death threats and got nothing? Genius
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Whereabouts is this?
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Wakefield
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Really grim 😒
I don’t mean Wakefield of course, but that it is happening there. Police decide they didn’t fancy following up on the death threats?
posted on 5/3/23
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 17 hours, 53 minutes ago
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
An autistic student gets suspended after a Quran get’s “slightly scuffed” despite it not being with malicious intent.
Yet after the people who sent the student multiple death threats are let off
Wtf what a joke
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Kids sent an autistic kid death threats and got nothing? Genius
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Whereabouts is this?
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Wakefield
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Really grim 😒
I don’t mean Wakefield of course, but that it is happening there. Police decide they didn’t fancy following up on the death threats?
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Apparently they gave the kids ‘advice’
posted on 5/3/23
What are the safe and lawful routes to apply for asylum in this country?
posted on 5/3/23
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 hours, 37 minutes ago
What are the safe and lawful routes to apply for asylum in this country?
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I think they’ve been filed away with the Brexit benefits…
posted on 5/3/23
Two years after the UK transitioned out of the European Union nearly two-thirds of Britons now support a referendum on rejoining.
A Savanta survey for The Independent also shows that the number of people who oppose another vote has fallen, with less than a quarter of voters now against a referendum.
Since then Britons believe the economy, the UK’s global influence and the ability to control our own borders have all got worse, the survey also shows.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-poll-referendum-rejoin-eu-b2250813.html
BREXIT FOOOOKING BRITAIN
posted on 5/3/23
But but but how would another vote be respecting democracy?
posted on 5/3/23
Try respecting the last democratic vote.
posted on 5/3/23
It has been respected. You got what you wanted and its 💩. Now the majority are unhappy with it and if another referendum was proposed, there is a good chance it would be voted for.
posted on 5/3/23
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 1 day, 6 hours ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
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I get what you're saying but it's only GB News types and useless 2019 Tory intake who are trying to suggest this appointment implies Sue Gray was biased
We've got photo evidence of the parties and written evidence of the acknowledgment they were wrong and trying to cover it up
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It's the timing of when discussions first took place that is the issue. If there's an overlap with Gray doing the partygate inquiry then of course the Tories will look to exploit that as any political party would.
I haven't seen the news yet today but as of yesterday Starmer wouldn't say when Gray was first approached which suggests he's got something to hide.
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I agree it looks like he has something to hide.
I also think it tarnishes the image he's trying to build for himself. As someone who will restore standards.
I'm not surprised.
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