50 year old Grenfell tower was relatively fireproof prior to the installation of the cladding, the concrete cell structure was designed to contain fires which is why the fire brigade advocated the "stay put" policy.
The insurance companies are the people that are driving the requirement for removal/replacement of inadequate cladding. They aren't providing building insurance and are demanding 24 hour fire watchers, at home/leaseholders expense until the building is certified safe. Paying agencies to have operatives walk the stairwells and corridors 24/7.
There are thousands of private owners and leaseholders trapped in limbo because insurance companies won't insure mortgages on unsafe buildings.
.@Guto_Harri reveals on his @LBC podcast @BorisJohnson's private verdict last year on allegations of sexual harassment by MPs:
"As he put it in the heat of the moment: ‘If we took away the whip from everyone here, who's pinched someone's bottom, we'll lose our majority.’"
Grate to see the former PM admit his party is full of n-words
That Guto guy has no shame
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 hour, 56 minutes ago
50 year old Grenfell tower was relatively fireproof prior to the installation of the cladding, the concrete cell structure was designed to contain fires which is why the fire brigade advocated the "stay put" policy.
The insurance companies are the people that are driving the requirement for removal/replacement of inadequate cladding. They aren't providing building insurance and are demanding 24 hour fire watchers, at home/leaseholders expense until the building is certified safe. Paying agencies to have operatives walk the stairwells and corridors 24/7.
There are thousands of private owners and leaseholders trapped in limbo because insurance companies won't insure mortgages on unsafe buildings.
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It would be gross negligence for insurance companies to provide cover on buildings like these.
It always seems to much to ask that proper legislation be brought in that prohibits the use of building products or systems that prevent spread of flame or combustion. And far from it for main contractors to price and install a project as per the specification and not try and cost cut at every opportunity.
UK construction is among the worst in the Western world and it borders on criminal. Compare with the US who learned very quickly after the twin towers terrorist attack and completely rethought and implemented a different way of construction that limited the potential damage and devastation should such an incident or anything like it happen again.
Quite simply put and alike many things we just don’t want to pay for things to be done properly.
Boris is facked
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1669255796255862784?s=46&t=bPTrpdgNggCdz9igvhmVyw
Report worse than expected for Boris.
He’s not even allowed back into parliament
Now we wait for his official tantrum response
Wow, they haven’t held back.
Exposed as the charlatan he is
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 18 minutes ago
Now we wait for his official tantrum response
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It's out. Just the usual stuff. He's done nothing wrong. They're out to get him etc etc.
He’s gone out swinging for Jenkin accusing him of also attending a party during the lockdowns
The Boris bootlickers are out supporting him now. All undermining the legitimacy of a democratic process which found their hero guilty of undermining democratic processes. That'll show them.
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 7 minutes ago
The Boris bootlickers are out supporting him now. All undermining the legitimacy of a democratic process which found their hero guilty of undermining democratic processes. That'll show them.
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We’re really not different to Trump and America
Forget the bus, Boris has been thrown under the supertanker by Downing Street staff
- Misled the House on numerous occasions
- *Deliberately* misled the Committee
The second is the more serious finding, for me. You could still argue the intentionality of the first. The wording of the second is profoundly condemnatory.
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1669276567866863617?t=ERWGs2MxH_9iJwJLDK3StQ&s=19
This isn't going to help the hoaxers
Other than Johnson, did many (if any) of this lot catch Covid when they had all these illegal gatherings?
Something doesn’t stack up.
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 18 minutes ago
Other than Johnson, did many (if any) of this lot catch Covid when they had all these illegal gatherings?
Something doesn’t stack up.
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I would imagine they all had it.
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 6 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 hour, 56 minutes ago
50 year old Grenfell tower was relatively fireproof prior to the installation of the cladding, the concrete cell structure was designed to contain fires which is why the fire brigade advocated the "stay put" policy.
The insurance companies are the people that are driving the requirement for removal/replacement of inadequate cladding. They aren't providing building insurance and are demanding 24 hour fire watchers, at home/leaseholders expense until the building is certified safe. Paying agencies to have operatives walk the stairwells and corridors 24/7.
There are thousands of private owners and leaseholders trapped in limbo because insurance companies won't insure mortgages on unsafe buildings.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It would be gross negligence for insurance companies to provide cover on buildings like these.
It always seems to much to ask that proper legislation be brought in that prohibits the use of building products or systems that prevent spread of flame or combustion. And far from it for main contractors to price and install a project as per the specification and not try and cost cut at every opportunity.
UK construction is among the worst in the Western world and it borders on criminal. Compare with the US who learned very quickly after the twin towers terrorist attack and completely rethought and implemented a different way of construction that limited the potential damage and devastation should such an incident or anything like it happen again.
Quite simply put and alike many things we just don’t want to pay for things to be done properly.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Cannot argue with any word of that.
Look at some of the horror stories on new builds
No lessons were learned
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 day, 5 hours ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernançalvemiro triumvirate (U17054)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 3 minutes ago
Politicians playing politics. Who'd have though it.
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It’s no good though, mate. Not when we’re talking about fundamental rights. You protect those first; it’s an obligation.
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It is a trap set so Labour lose either way, so they have decided to play the long game rather than give them ammunition. You should really be angry about the Tories for this, but as usual the left will spend their time angry about their own party and give the ammunition to the right anyway.
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As usual the right of the party wants to blame the left of the party for everything.
It walks like a duck, it quacks like a duck, it's a duck.
This labour lot won't be libertarian and I doubt they will be economically revolutionary either. It will be more of the same, just slower, and so the right wins again, they will get three years of plodding neoliberalism from labour and next time there's a huge catastrophe the two party system will roar in to life once again to give the blue carpetbaggers the ability to ransack everything again.
We often mock Johnsonites on here for their delusion that he was going to spend his time as PM acting differently to his entire lifetime before it...
And yet I see the staunch advocates of starmer doing the same it doesn't matter how much craaaap piles up under him, you guys will constantly give him a free pass as "better than the Tories" like that's good enough.
Hea doing a great job of swinging voters away from the Tories, by offering politics that are appetising to them, right of centre neoliberalism, that looks moderate in comparison to the current lot.
And I'm sure the pushback on this will be "you have to win power before you can change anything" you won't move him after an election, he will do what he wants, because that's exactly how he's acted in the last few years
Orchestrating the chicken coup
Plotting labours disastrous Brexit plan
His 10 leadership pledges
His failure to act against the saboteurs
His purging of the party of people he doesn't like
The fixing of NEC elections and CLP nominations
He's power hungry, and he will do whatever he can to get it and keep it. If he had any principles he would wear an orange tie like his politics suggest
That's quite a rant but there is no cult of Starmer or free pass other than we all just want the Tories out
I'm also not the right of the Labour party or a Starmer advocate. I'm not right wing, not a Labour member and am unlikely to vote for them next election. Just someone who thinks we need to oust the current shambles in government and gets frustrated watching the Labour party factions repeatedly try to trip each other up.
‘Better than the Tories though’ isn’t good enough, even at the very best of times.
The country needs a completely new blueprint for its relationship with Europe, not an attempted renegotiation of a fundamentally broken agreement; none is being suggested.
It needs wealth redistributed, an historic income gap addressed, and a tax burden revolution; none is being suggested.
More than ever, it needs critical utilities in public ownership; that isn’t being proposed.
It needs stronger worker representation and to see workers benefitting directly from the profits their employers are generating; that isn’t being discussed.
It needs serious and immediate state intervention in the housing and rental markets; none is being proposed.
It needs migrant workers; Labour is too scared to make the argument despite a creaking economy and industry screaming for it.
It needs a massive, massive programme of infrastructure investment; I don’t see that being proposed.
A slightly more liberal version of more of the same isn’t going to cut it. At best, it’s holding the final nail in place and just waiting for the hammer to return.
Rosso mate you don't even live here
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posted on 15/6/23
50 year old Grenfell tower was relatively fireproof prior to the installation of the cladding, the concrete cell structure was designed to contain fires which is why the fire brigade advocated the "stay put" policy.
The insurance companies are the people that are driving the requirement for removal/replacement of inadequate cladding. They aren't providing building insurance and are demanding 24 hour fire watchers, at home/leaseholders expense until the building is certified safe. Paying agencies to have operatives walk the stairwells and corridors 24/7.
There are thousands of private owners and leaseholders trapped in limbo because insurance companies won't insure mortgages on unsafe buildings.
posted on 15/6/23
.@Guto_Harri reveals on his @LBC podcast @BorisJohnson's private verdict last year on allegations of sexual harassment by MPs:
"As he put it in the heat of the moment: ‘If we took away the whip from everyone here, who's pinched someone's bottom, we'll lose our majority.’"
Grate to see the former PM admit his party is full of n-words
posted on 15/6/23
That Guto guy has no shame
posted on 15/6/23
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 hour, 56 minutes ago
50 year old Grenfell tower was relatively fireproof prior to the installation of the cladding, the concrete cell structure was designed to contain fires which is why the fire brigade advocated the "stay put" policy.
The insurance companies are the people that are driving the requirement for removal/replacement of inadequate cladding. They aren't providing building insurance and are demanding 24 hour fire watchers, at home/leaseholders expense until the building is certified safe. Paying agencies to have operatives walk the stairwells and corridors 24/7.
There are thousands of private owners and leaseholders trapped in limbo because insurance companies won't insure mortgages on unsafe buildings.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It would be gross negligence for insurance companies to provide cover on buildings like these.
It always seems to much to ask that proper legislation be brought in that prohibits the use of building products or systems that prevent spread of flame or combustion. And far from it for main contractors to price and install a project as per the specification and not try and cost cut at every opportunity.
UK construction is among the worst in the Western world and it borders on criminal. Compare with the US who learned very quickly after the twin towers terrorist attack and completely rethought and implemented a different way of construction that limited the potential damage and devastation should such an incident or anything like it happen again.
Quite simply put and alike many things we just don’t want to pay for things to be done properly.
posted on 15/6/23
Boris is facked
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1669255796255862784?s=46&t=bPTrpdgNggCdz9igvhmVyw
posted on 15/6/23
Report worse than expected for Boris.
posted on 15/6/23
He’s not even allowed back into parliament
posted on 15/6/23
Now we wait for his official tantrum response
posted on 15/6/23
Wow, they haven’t held back.
Exposed as the charlatan he is
posted on 15/6/23
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 18 minutes ago
Now we wait for his official tantrum response
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It's out. Just the usual stuff. He's done nothing wrong. They're out to get him etc etc.
posted on 15/6/23
He’s gone out swinging for Jenkin accusing him of also attending a party during the lockdowns
posted on 15/6/23
The Boris bootlickers are out supporting him now. All undermining the legitimacy of a democratic process which found their hero guilty of undermining democratic processes. That'll show them.
posted on 15/6/23
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 7 minutes ago
The Boris bootlickers are out supporting him now. All undermining the legitimacy of a democratic process which found their hero guilty of undermining democratic processes. That'll show them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We’re really not different to Trump and America
posted on 15/6/23
Forget the bus, Boris has been thrown under the supertanker by Downing Street staff
posted on 15/6/23
- Misled the House on numerous occasions
- *Deliberately* misled the Committee
The second is the more serious finding, for me. You could still argue the intentionality of the first. The wording of the second is profoundly condemnatory.
posted on 15/6/23
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1669276567866863617?t=ERWGs2MxH_9iJwJLDK3StQ&s=19
This isn't going to help the hoaxers
posted on 15/6/23
Other than Johnson, did many (if any) of this lot catch Covid when they had all these illegal gatherings?
Something doesn’t stack up.
posted on 15/6/23
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 18 minutes ago
Other than Johnson, did many (if any) of this lot catch Covid when they had all these illegal gatherings?
Something doesn’t stack up.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I would imagine they all had it.
posted on 15/6/23
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 6 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 hour, 56 minutes ago
50 year old Grenfell tower was relatively fireproof prior to the installation of the cladding, the concrete cell structure was designed to contain fires which is why the fire brigade advocated the "stay put" policy.
The insurance companies are the people that are driving the requirement for removal/replacement of inadequate cladding. They aren't providing building insurance and are demanding 24 hour fire watchers, at home/leaseholders expense until the building is certified safe. Paying agencies to have operatives walk the stairwells and corridors 24/7.
There are thousands of private owners and leaseholders trapped in limbo because insurance companies won't insure mortgages on unsafe buildings.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It would be gross negligence for insurance companies to provide cover on buildings like these.
It always seems to much to ask that proper legislation be brought in that prohibits the use of building products or systems that prevent spread of flame or combustion. And far from it for main contractors to price and install a project as per the specification and not try and cost cut at every opportunity.
UK construction is among the worst in the Western world and it borders on criminal. Compare with the US who learned very quickly after the twin towers terrorist attack and completely rethought and implemented a different way of construction that limited the potential damage and devastation should such an incident or anything like it happen again.
Quite simply put and alike many things we just don’t want to pay for things to be done properly.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Cannot argue with any word of that.
posted on 15/6/23
Look at some of the horror stories on new builds
No lessons were learned
posted on 15/6/23
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 day, 5 hours ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernançalvemiro triumvirate (U17054)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 3 minutes ago
Politicians playing politics. Who'd have though it.
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It’s no good though, mate. Not when we’re talking about fundamental rights. You protect those first; it’s an obligation.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It is a trap set so Labour lose either way, so they have decided to play the long game rather than give them ammunition. You should really be angry about the Tories for this, but as usual the left will spend their time angry about their own party and give the ammunition to the right anyway.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
As usual the right of the party wants to blame the left of the party for everything.
It walks like a duck, it quacks like a duck, it's a duck.
This labour lot won't be libertarian and I doubt they will be economically revolutionary either. It will be more of the same, just slower, and so the right wins again, they will get three years of plodding neoliberalism from labour and next time there's a huge catastrophe the two party system will roar in to life once again to give the blue carpetbaggers the ability to ransack everything again.
We often mock Johnsonites on here for their delusion that he was going to spend his time as PM acting differently to his entire lifetime before it...
And yet I see the staunch advocates of starmer doing the same it doesn't matter how much craaaap piles up under him, you guys will constantly give him a free pass as "better than the Tories" like that's good enough.
Hea doing a great job of swinging voters away from the Tories, by offering politics that are appetising to them, right of centre neoliberalism, that looks moderate in comparison to the current lot.
And I'm sure the pushback on this will be "you have to win power before you can change anything" you won't move him after an election, he will do what he wants, because that's exactly how he's acted in the last few years
Orchestrating the chicken coup
Plotting labours disastrous Brexit plan
His 10 leadership pledges
His failure to act against the saboteurs
His purging of the party of people he doesn't like
The fixing of NEC elections and CLP nominations
He's power hungry, and he will do whatever he can to get it and keep it. If he had any principles he would wear an orange tie like his politics suggest
posted on 15/6/23
That's quite a rant but there is no cult of Starmer or free pass other than we all just want the Tories out
posted on 15/6/23
I'm also not the right of the Labour party or a Starmer advocate. I'm not right wing, not a Labour member and am unlikely to vote for them next election. Just someone who thinks we need to oust the current shambles in government and gets frustrated watching the Labour party factions repeatedly try to trip each other up.
posted on 15/6/23
‘Better than the Tories though’ isn’t good enough, even at the very best of times.
The country needs a completely new blueprint for its relationship with Europe, not an attempted renegotiation of a fundamentally broken agreement; none is being suggested.
It needs wealth redistributed, an historic income gap addressed, and a tax burden revolution; none is being suggested.
More than ever, it needs critical utilities in public ownership; that isn’t being proposed.
It needs stronger worker representation and to see workers benefitting directly from the profits their employers are generating; that isn’t being discussed.
It needs serious and immediate state intervention in the housing and rental markets; none is being proposed.
It needs migrant workers; Labour is too scared to make the argument despite a creaking economy and industry screaming for it.
It needs a massive, massive programme of infrastructure investment; I don’t see that being proposed.
A slightly more liberal version of more of the same isn’t going to cut it. At best, it’s holding the final nail in place and just waiting for the hammer to return.
posted on 15/6/23
Rosso mate you don't even live here
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