comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by Philspurs - Millionaire travel agent (U3278)
posted 2 minutes ago
We're out of a competition which is pretty much universally every clubs lowest priority.
Shame to lose of course, but the two games either side of this one are far more important.
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Yes, I do realise in the bigger picture, it is the clubs lowest target, but why should it be? The trophies are not exactly flowing into WHL. You say the two biggest games coming up, but are Spurs going to win the league, probably not. Are Spurs going to win the CL, not a hope in hell. So arguably the biggest match of the week should have been the match against West Ham.
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Why have we not got a hope in hell of winning the CL? We're doing alright in it so far aren't we?
Got more chance of winning the league than the League Cup these days, since we have been performing better in it.
comment by Mike (U1170)
posted 3 minutes ago
People say no one cares about the cup, but when a side wins it you can clearly see the players do enjoy celebrating it and actually getting to hold a trophy, isn't that what's it's about?
The likes of Rooney and Ronaldo picking up the League Cup for us as their first trophy was great for them, gives them and all the young players the hunger for more trophies, and also the mentality that they know they can win them when it counts.
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We all see it, the club don't
The priority is getting into the Champions League and finishing top 4, playing key players in the cup is seen as a risk which could damage the priority.
The club is a business at the end of the day, making money is the target ultimately
comment by OneHopefulFan #Spurs (U8366)
posted 2 minutes ago
I agree with sandy 100% and i think since hea come back hes been a breath of fresh air. Everybody else is happy with mediocre and not winning any trophies. I love poch but I massively have to disagree with his opinion on cups. You would have thought he'd be desperate to win his first trophy.
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Pochettino knows the modern game. It's as simple as that really. Finishing top 4 on the regular in the most competitive league in the world can not be classed as mediocre either. I appreciate the sentiments in the cups and it's a shame traditions have been lost. I do sympathise with the older supporters.
The priority is getting into the Champions League and finishing top 4, playing key players in the cup is seen as a risk which could damage the priority.
The club is a business at the end of the day, making money is the target ultimately
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You lot are morphing into Arsenal of 10 yrs ago.
Don't know why the blame is on Poch to be honest. 2-0 up with a fairly strong team playing. The players on the pitch should have known better.
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 4 minutes ago
The priority is getting into the Champions League and finishing top 4, playing key players in the cup is seen as a risk which could damage the priority.
The club is a business at the end of the day, making money is the target ultimately
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You lot are morphing into Arsenal of 10 yrs ago.
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Pretty sure we all saw it coming
Finishing top 4 on the regular in the most competitive league in the world can not be classed as mediocre either.
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The priority is getting into the Champions League and finishing top 4, playing key players in the cup is seen as a risk which could damage the priority.
The club is a business at the end of the day, making money is the target ultimately
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You lot are morphing into Arsenal of 10 yrs ago.
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Pretty sure we all saw it coming
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the amount of stick we got from THFC fans for doing EXACTLY what you lot are doing now, getting top 4 and no trophies(for 10 yrs) was ridiculous. You lot are going to have to grin and bear it til you win something.
Who's just 'dismissing' cup competitions? I've seen very little of that.
We'd all like to win trophies. We all agree that 'any' trophy is better than 'no trophy'. But there are also priorities, and the league cup is the lowest priority. So whilst it's a shame to be out of it, there's bigger and more important competitions which we are still very much involved in.
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 26 minutes ago
Winning becomes a habit, even winning the League Cup can help build that mentality in the squad.
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Well said kneerash. I cannot accept some of our supporters think yesterday was just a blip. It happens every season. And then they say ah but we have bigger fish to fry, as if going to any of United, Liverpool, Chelsea or Arsenal over the past 30 or 40 years has yield lots of win, I doubt Spurs have won more than half a dozen of 120 away games at those clubs the past 30 years. Again it is pretty shocking record.
A great week, should have been followed up with a routine cup win, that is what all good clubs do.
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 17 minutes ago
The priority is getting into the Champions League and finishing top 4, playing key players in the cup is seen as a risk which could damage the priority.
The club is a business at the end of the day, making money is the target ultimately
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You lot are morphing into Arsenal of 10 yrs ago.
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I think you are 100 per cent correct there. Top Four is important, I see that. But why does it just have to be Top Four and nothing else?
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 26 minutes ago
Winning becomes a habit, even winning the League Cup can help build that mentality in the squad.
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Well said kneerash. I cannot accept some of our supporters think yesterday was just a blip. It happens every season. And then they say ah but we have bigger fish to fry, as if going to any of United, Liverpool, Chelsea or Arsenal over the past 30 or 40 years has yield lots of win, I doubt Spurs have won more than half a dozen of 120 away games at those clubs the past 30 years. Again it is pretty shocking record.
A great week, should have been followed up with a routine cup win, that is what all good clubs do.
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Nope, all good clubs lose from time to time. Chelsea lost to this lot in the same round last season. We've been to more finals of this competition than Chelsea have, since we last won it.
However the manner of the loss is the worst aspect of this.
We're not too good for the league cup and FA cup, the club see it otherwise
Whilst I agree with most of what Sandy said & come from the same era
We have to accept that the times are changing in terms of football and what is and isn't deemed as success.
Football is no longer the domain of the "rich local business man made good", where Bloggs the meat factory sponsored the team etc.
It is a massive multi-billion pound industry and winning the league cup, whilst sating the appetite of fans only brings in limited financial rewards for the clubs and their owners.
Whereas just staying in the PL is worth far more to a club than winning a trophy, very sad but true.
With a £700m investment in our new stadium the club has to see a quick ROI and that inevitably means a) finishing in the top 4. b) advancing at least to the quarter finals of the CL. C) selling as many season tickets & corporate hospitality packages as possible for next season.
We belittle Arsenal fans for seeing Top 4 qualification as successful, yet in truth it was because it fitted in with company's business model and plan.
Besides ourselves, Arsenal are probably the best run club in terms of fiscal responsibility. We now need to pay off our stadium and the quickest way of doing that is to finish (or even better win) 4th or better every season which not only guarantees us higher revenue but also higher profile in terms of attracting good players going forward.
Its a vicious circle
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 11 minutes ago
Finishing top 4 on the regular in the most competitive league in the world can not be classed as mediocre either.
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Nothing like Arsenal and you know it. Spurs have only just started to establish themselves as a top four team in a league that is much more competitive now. Difference is we've got a forward looking manager and a chairman that's got his clubs best interests at heart. Nice try though. Although I would agree that some of our supporters are morphing into Arsenal fans. It would make good TV.
Genius Greaves
I fully understand your point about the board and making money etc, but, dont the PLAYERS & MANAGER, want to win something, they're getting paid regardless whether the board make money or not, so i dont get how they could down tools for certain cups and step up again for others.
The sqaud will learn how to handle big pressure games the more you get ot the latter stages of a cup, winning games like these can only benefit the overall mentality f the squad.
I know Gerrard references the 3 cups won under Houiller and how that experience helped the squad in 05 to win the CL.
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 26 minutes ago
Winning becomes a habit, even winning the League Cup can help build that mentality in the squad.
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Well said kneerash. I cannot accept some of our supporters think yesterday was just a blip. It happens every season. And then they say ah but we have bigger fish to fry, as if going to any of United, Liverpool, Chelsea or Arsenal over the past 30 or 40 years has yield lots of win, I doubt Spurs have won more than half a dozen of 120 away games at those clubs the past 30 years. Again it is pretty shocking record.
A great week, should have been followed up with a routine cup win, that is what all good clubs do.
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Nope, all good clubs lose from time to time. Chelsea lost to this lot in the same round last season. We've been to more finals of this competition than Chelsea have, since we last won it.
However the manner of the loss is the worst aspect of this.
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Of course all clubs lose, I am not bemoaning that, Chelsea may have also lost to West Ham, but they have a winning mentality in general, Spurs don`t, they have won about a dozen trophies, since Spurs last won a trophy, big, big difference. I am sure their supporters can put up with the odd loss, if they are still hoovering up trophies.
Chelsea lost to West Ham and went on to win the league, if Spurs do the same then I will hold up my hand.
inishing top 4 on the regular in the most competitive league in the world can not be classed as mediocre either.
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Nothing like Arsenal and you know it. Spurs have only just started to establish themselves as a top four team in a league that is much more competitive now. Difference is we've got a forward looking manager and a chairman that's got his clubs best interests at heart. Nice try though. Although I would agree that some of our supporters are morphing into Arsenal fans. It would make good TV.
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Everything you just said could apply to us 10 yrs ago, it's not a bad thing, we've done ok.
And i don't think getting top 4 for 2 yrs in a row is 'established' yet either.
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 19 seconds ago
inishing top 4 on the regular in the most competitive league in the world can not be classed as mediocre either.
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Nothing like Arsenal and you know it. Spurs have only just started to establish themselves as a top four team in a league that is much more competitive now. Difference is we've got a forward looking manager and a chairman that's got his clubs best interests at heart. Nice try though. Although I would agree that some of our supporters are morphing into Arsenal fans. It would make good TV.
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Everything you just said could apply to us 10 yrs ago, it's not a bad thing, we've done ok.
And i don't think getting top 4 for 2 yrs in a row is 'established' yet either.
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Didn't say we were. I've said we've just started to.
Didn't say we were. I've said we've just started to.
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Fair enough.
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 26 minutes ago
Winning becomes a habit, even winning the League Cup can help build that mentality in the squad.
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Well said kneerash. I cannot accept some of our supporters think yesterday was just a blip. It happens every season. And then they say ah but we have bigger fish to fry, as if going to any of United, Liverpool, Chelsea or Arsenal over the past 30 or 40 years has yield lots of win, I doubt Spurs have won more than half a dozen of 120 away games at those clubs the past 30 years. Again it is pretty shocking record.
A great week, should have been followed up with a routine cup win, that is what all good clubs do.
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Nope, all good clubs lose from time to time. Chelsea lost to this lot in the same round last season. We've been to more finals of this competition than Chelsea have, since we last won it.
However the manner of the loss is the worst aspect of this.
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Of course all clubs lose, I am not bemoaning that, Chelsea may have also lost to West Ham, but they have a winning mentality in general, Spurs don`t, they have won about a dozen trophies, since Spurs last won a trophy, big, big difference. I am sure their supporters can put up with the odd loss, if they are still hoovering up trophies.
Chelsea lost to West Ham and went on to win the league, if Spurs do the same then I will hold up my hand.
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Difference being that Chelsea have always had the resources to achieve that success and we in comparison don't. Yet even with that they don't win everything. No team can compete on every single front.
And there's nothing wrong with our winning mentality. We've won more than enough games in the past year to suggest it. We now have to see how we respond for the rest of the season. We're doing well in the league and the CL, and are in the middle of some tough fixtures. There's no point getting too pisssed off at this lost chance when there's so much of the season left to play. If at the end of the season we haven't achieved anything, you can look back at this with more scrutiny.
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 26 minutes ago
Winning becomes a habit, even winning the League Cup can help build that mentality in the squad.
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Well said kneerash. I cannot accept some of our supporters think yesterday was just a blip. It happens every season. And then they say ah but we have bigger fish to fry, as if going to any of United, Liverpool, Chelsea or Arsenal over the past 30 or 40 years has yield lots of win, I doubt Spurs have won more than half a dozen of 120 away games at those clubs the past 30 years. Again it is pretty shocking record.
A great week, should have been followed up with a routine cup win, that is what all good clubs do.
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Nope, all good clubs lose from time to time. Chelsea lost to this lot in the same round last season. We've been to more finals of this competition than Chelsea have, since we last won it.
However the manner of the loss is the worst aspect of this.
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Of course all clubs lose, I am not bemoaning that, Chelsea may have also lost to West Ham, but they have a winning mentality in general, Spurs don`t, they have won about a dozen trophies, since Spurs last won a trophy, big, big difference. I am sure their supporters can put up with the odd loss, if they are still hoovering up trophies.
Chelsea lost to West Ham and went on to win the league, if Spurs do the same then I will hold up my hand.
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Difference being that Chelsea have always had the resources to achieve that success and we in comparison don't. Yet even with that they don't win everything. No team can compete on every single front.
And there's nothing wrong with our winning mentality. We've won more than enough games in the past year to suggest it. We now have to see how we respond for the rest of the season. We're doing well in the league and the CL, and are in the middle of some tough fixtures. There's no point getting too pisssed off at this lost chance when there's so much of the season left to play. If at the end of the season we haven't achieved anything, you can look back at this with more scrutiny.
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I get your points, but after a great week, cruising along at 2-0 up with a little over 35 minutes left in the game, I think some of us are entitled to be very aggrieved that they somehow contrived to blow it, even if some are not.
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 26 minutes ago
Winning becomes a habit, even winning the League Cup can help build that mentality in the squad.
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Well said kneerash. I cannot accept some of our supporters think yesterday was just a blip. It happens every season. And then they say ah but we have bigger fish to fry, as if going to any of United, Liverpool, Chelsea or Arsenal over the past 30 or 40 years has yield lots of win, I doubt Spurs have won more than half a dozen of 120 away games at those clubs the past 30 years. Again it is pretty shocking record.
A great week, should have been followed up with a routine cup win, that is what all good clubs do.
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Nope, all good clubs lose from time to time. Chelsea lost to this lot in the same round last season. We've been to more finals of this competition than Chelsea have, since we last won it.
However the manner of the loss is the worst aspect of this.
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Of course all clubs lose, I am not bemoaning that, Chelsea may have also lost to West Ham, but they have a winning mentality in general, Spurs don`t, they have won about a dozen trophies, since Spurs last won a trophy, big, big difference. I am sure their supporters can put up with the odd loss, if they are still hoovering up trophies.
Chelsea lost to West Ham and went on to win the league, if Spurs do the same then I will hold up my hand.
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Difference being that Chelsea have always had the resources to achieve that success and we in comparison don't. Yet even with that they don't win everything. No team can compete on every single front.
And there's nothing wrong with our winning mentality. We've won more than enough games in the past year to suggest it. We now have to see how we respond for the rest of the season. We're doing well in the league and the CL, and are in the middle of some tough fixtures. There's no point getting too pisssed off at this lost chance when there's so much of the season left to play. If at the end of the season we haven't achieved anything, you can look back at this with more scrutiny.
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I get your points, but after a great week, cruising along at 2-0 up with a little over 35 minutes left in the game, I think some of us are entitled to be very aggrieved that they somehow contrived to blow it, even if some are not.
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comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 26 minutes ago
Winning becomes a habit, even winning the League Cup can help build that mentality in the squad.
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Well said kneerash. I cannot accept some of our supporters think yesterday was just a blip. It happens every season. And then they say ah but we have bigger fish to fry, as if going to any of United, Liverpool, Chelsea or Arsenal over the past 30 or 40 years has yield lots of win, I doubt Spurs have won more than half a dozen of 120 away games at those clubs the past 30 years. Again it is pretty shocking record.
A great week, should have been followed up with a routine cup win, that is what all good clubs do.
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Nope, all good clubs lose from time to time. Chelsea lost to this lot in the same round last season. We've been to more finals of this competition than Chelsea have, since we last won it.
However the manner of the loss is the worst aspect of this.
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Of course all clubs lose, I am not bemoaning that, Chelsea may have also lost to West Ham, but they have a winning mentality in general, Spurs don`t, they have won about a dozen trophies, since Spurs last won a trophy, big, big difference. I am sure their supporters can put up with the odd loss, if they are still hoovering up trophies.
Chelsea lost to West Ham and went on to win the league, if Spurs do the same then I will hold up my hand.
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Difference being that Chelsea have always had the resources to achieve that success and we in comparison don't. Yet even with that they don't win everything. No team can compete on every single front.
And there's nothing wrong with our winning mentality. We've won more than enough games in the past year to suggest it. We now have to see how we respond for the rest of the season. We're doing well in the league and the CL, and are in the middle of some tough fixtures. There's no point getting too pisssed off at this lost chance when there's so much of the season left to play. If at the end of the season we haven't achieved anything, you can look back at this with more scrutiny.
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I get your points, but after a great week, cruising along at 2-0 up with a little over 35 minutes left in the game, I think some of us are entitled to be very aggrieved that they somehow contrived to blow it, even if some are not.
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Of course. I was greatly annoyed by it too, and still am. Just that while we're doing well on other fronts, and are still fairly early into the season, I guess you can't let it get to you too much without knowing what's left to come.
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posted on 26/10/17
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by Philspurs - Millionaire travel agent (U3278)
posted 2 minutes ago
We're out of a competition which is pretty much universally every clubs lowest priority.
Shame to lose of course, but the two games either side of this one are far more important.
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Yes, I do realise in the bigger picture, it is the clubs lowest target, but why should it be? The trophies are not exactly flowing into WHL. You say the two biggest games coming up, but are Spurs going to win the league, probably not. Are Spurs going to win the CL, not a hope in hell. So arguably the biggest match of the week should have been the match against West Ham.
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Why have we not got a hope in hell of winning the CL? We're doing alright in it so far aren't we?
Got more chance of winning the league than the League Cup these days, since we have been performing better in it.
posted on 26/10/17
comment by Mike (U1170)
posted 3 minutes ago
People say no one cares about the cup, but when a side wins it you can clearly see the players do enjoy celebrating it and actually getting to hold a trophy, isn't that what's it's about?
The likes of Rooney and Ronaldo picking up the League Cup for us as their first trophy was great for them, gives them and all the young players the hunger for more trophies, and also the mentality that they know they can win them when it counts.
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We all see it, the club don't
The priority is getting into the Champions League and finishing top 4, playing key players in the cup is seen as a risk which could damage the priority.
The club is a business at the end of the day, making money is the target ultimately
posted on 26/10/17
comment by OneHopefulFan #Spurs (U8366)
posted 2 minutes ago
I agree with sandy 100% and i think since hea come back hes been a breath of fresh air. Everybody else is happy with mediocre and not winning any trophies. I love poch but I massively have to disagree with his opinion on cups. You would have thought he'd be desperate to win his first trophy.
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Pochettino knows the modern game. It's as simple as that really. Finishing top 4 on the regular in the most competitive league in the world can not be classed as mediocre either. I appreciate the sentiments in the cups and it's a shame traditions have been lost. I do sympathise with the older supporters.
posted on 26/10/17
The priority is getting into the Champions League and finishing top 4, playing key players in the cup is seen as a risk which could damage the priority.
The club is a business at the end of the day, making money is the target ultimately
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You lot are morphing into Arsenal of 10 yrs ago.
posted on 26/10/17
Don't know why the blame is on Poch to be honest. 2-0 up with a fairly strong team playing. The players on the pitch should have known better.
posted on 26/10/17
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 4 minutes ago
The priority is getting into the Champions League and finishing top 4, playing key players in the cup is seen as a risk which could damage the priority.
The club is a business at the end of the day, making money is the target ultimately
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You lot are morphing into Arsenal of 10 yrs ago.
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Pretty sure we all saw it coming
posted on 26/10/17
Finishing top 4 on the regular in the most competitive league in the world can not be classed as mediocre either.
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posted on 26/10/17
The priority is getting into the Champions League and finishing top 4, playing key players in the cup is seen as a risk which could damage the priority.
The club is a business at the end of the day, making money is the target ultimately
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You lot are morphing into Arsenal of 10 yrs ago.
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the amount of stick we got from THFC fans for doing EXACTLY what you lot are doing now, getting top 4 and no trophies(for 10 yrs) was ridiculous. You lot are going to have to grin and bear it til you win something.
posted on 26/10/17
Who's just 'dismissing' cup competitions? I've seen very little of that.
We'd all like to win trophies. We all agree that 'any' trophy is better than 'no trophy'. But there are also priorities, and the league cup is the lowest priority. So whilst it's a shame to be out of it, there's bigger and more important competitions which we are still very much involved in.
posted on 26/10/17
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 26 minutes ago
Winning becomes a habit, even winning the League Cup can help build that mentality in the squad.
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Well said kneerash. I cannot accept some of our supporters think yesterday was just a blip. It happens every season. And then they say ah but we have bigger fish to fry, as if going to any of United, Liverpool, Chelsea or Arsenal over the past 30 or 40 years has yield lots of win, I doubt Spurs have won more than half a dozen of 120 away games at those clubs the past 30 years. Again it is pretty shocking record.
A great week, should have been followed up with a routine cup win, that is what all good clubs do.
posted on 26/10/17
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 17 minutes ago
The priority is getting into the Champions League and finishing top 4, playing key players in the cup is seen as a risk which could damage the priority.
The club is a business at the end of the day, making money is the target ultimately
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You lot are morphing into Arsenal of 10 yrs ago.
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I think you are 100 per cent correct there. Top Four is important, I see that. But why does it just have to be Top Four and nothing else?
posted on 26/10/17
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 26 minutes ago
Winning becomes a habit, even winning the League Cup can help build that mentality in the squad.
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Well said kneerash. I cannot accept some of our supporters think yesterday was just a blip. It happens every season. And then they say ah but we have bigger fish to fry, as if going to any of United, Liverpool, Chelsea or Arsenal over the past 30 or 40 years has yield lots of win, I doubt Spurs have won more than half a dozen of 120 away games at those clubs the past 30 years. Again it is pretty shocking record.
A great week, should have been followed up with a routine cup win, that is what all good clubs do.
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Nope, all good clubs lose from time to time. Chelsea lost to this lot in the same round last season. We've been to more finals of this competition than Chelsea have, since we last won it.
However the manner of the loss is the worst aspect of this.
posted on 26/10/17
We're not too good for the league cup and FA cup, the club see it otherwise
posted on 26/10/17
Whilst I agree with most of what Sandy said & come from the same era
We have to accept that the times are changing in terms of football and what is and isn't deemed as success.
Football is no longer the domain of the "rich local business man made good", where Bloggs the meat factory sponsored the team etc.
It is a massive multi-billion pound industry and winning the league cup, whilst sating the appetite of fans only brings in limited financial rewards for the clubs and their owners.
Whereas just staying in the PL is worth far more to a club than winning a trophy, very sad but true.
With a £700m investment in our new stadium the club has to see a quick ROI and that inevitably means a) finishing in the top 4. b) advancing at least to the quarter finals of the CL. C) selling as many season tickets & corporate hospitality packages as possible for next season.
We belittle Arsenal fans for seeing Top 4 qualification as successful, yet in truth it was because it fitted in with company's business model and plan.
Besides ourselves, Arsenal are probably the best run club in terms of fiscal responsibility. We now need to pay off our stadium and the quickest way of doing that is to finish (or even better win) 4th or better every season which not only guarantees us higher revenue but also higher profile in terms of attracting good players going forward.
Its a vicious circle
posted on 26/10/17
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 11 minutes ago
Finishing top 4 on the regular in the most competitive league in the world can not be classed as mediocre either.
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Nothing like Arsenal and you know it. Spurs have only just started to establish themselves as a top four team in a league that is much more competitive now. Difference is we've got a forward looking manager and a chairman that's got his clubs best interests at heart. Nice try though. Although I would agree that some of our supporters are morphing into Arsenal fans. It would make good TV.
posted on 26/10/17
Genius Greaves
I fully understand your point about the board and making money etc, but, dont the PLAYERS & MANAGER, want to win something, they're getting paid regardless whether the board make money or not, so i dont get how they could down tools for certain cups and step up again for others.
posted on 26/10/17
The sqaud will learn how to handle big pressure games the more you get ot the latter stages of a cup, winning games like these can only benefit the overall mentality f the squad.
I know Gerrard references the 3 cups won under Houiller and how that experience helped the squad in 05 to win the CL.
posted on 26/10/17
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 26 minutes ago
Winning becomes a habit, even winning the League Cup can help build that mentality in the squad.
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Well said kneerash. I cannot accept some of our supporters think yesterday was just a blip. It happens every season. And then they say ah but we have bigger fish to fry, as if going to any of United, Liverpool, Chelsea or Arsenal over the past 30 or 40 years has yield lots of win, I doubt Spurs have won more than half a dozen of 120 away games at those clubs the past 30 years. Again it is pretty shocking record.
A great week, should have been followed up with a routine cup win, that is what all good clubs do.
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Nope, all good clubs lose from time to time. Chelsea lost to this lot in the same round last season. We've been to more finals of this competition than Chelsea have, since we last won it.
However the manner of the loss is the worst aspect of this.
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Of course all clubs lose, I am not bemoaning that, Chelsea may have also lost to West Ham, but they have a winning mentality in general, Spurs don`t, they have won about a dozen trophies, since Spurs last won a trophy, big, big difference. I am sure their supporters can put up with the odd loss, if they are still hoovering up trophies.
Chelsea lost to West Ham and went on to win the league, if Spurs do the same then I will hold up my hand.
posted on 26/10/17
inishing top 4 on the regular in the most competitive league in the world can not be classed as mediocre either.
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Nothing like Arsenal and you know it. Spurs have only just started to establish themselves as a top four team in a league that is much more competitive now. Difference is we've got a forward looking manager and a chairman that's got his clubs best interests at heart. Nice try though. Although I would agree that some of our supporters are morphing into Arsenal fans. It would make good TV.
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Everything you just said could apply to us 10 yrs ago, it's not a bad thing, we've done ok.
And i don't think getting top 4 for 2 yrs in a row is 'established' yet either.
posted on 26/10/17
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 19 seconds ago
inishing top 4 on the regular in the most competitive league in the world can not be classed as mediocre either.
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Nothing like Arsenal and you know it. Spurs have only just started to establish themselves as a top four team in a league that is much more competitive now. Difference is we've got a forward looking manager and a chairman that's got his clubs best interests at heart. Nice try though. Although I would agree that some of our supporters are morphing into Arsenal fans. It would make good TV.
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Everything you just said could apply to us 10 yrs ago, it's not a bad thing, we've done ok.
And i don't think getting top 4 for 2 yrs in a row is 'established' yet either.
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Didn't say we were. I've said we've just started to.
posted on 26/10/17
Didn't say we were. I've said we've just started to.
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Fair enough.
posted on 26/10/17
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 26 minutes ago
Winning becomes a habit, even winning the League Cup can help build that mentality in the squad.
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Well said kneerash. I cannot accept some of our supporters think yesterday was just a blip. It happens every season. And then they say ah but we have bigger fish to fry, as if going to any of United, Liverpool, Chelsea or Arsenal over the past 30 or 40 years has yield lots of win, I doubt Spurs have won more than half a dozen of 120 away games at those clubs the past 30 years. Again it is pretty shocking record.
A great week, should have been followed up with a routine cup win, that is what all good clubs do.
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Nope, all good clubs lose from time to time. Chelsea lost to this lot in the same round last season. We've been to more finals of this competition than Chelsea have, since we last won it.
However the manner of the loss is the worst aspect of this.
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Of course all clubs lose, I am not bemoaning that, Chelsea may have also lost to West Ham, but they have a winning mentality in general, Spurs don`t, they have won about a dozen trophies, since Spurs last won a trophy, big, big difference. I am sure their supporters can put up with the odd loss, if they are still hoovering up trophies.
Chelsea lost to West Ham and went on to win the league, if Spurs do the same then I will hold up my hand.
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Difference being that Chelsea have always had the resources to achieve that success and we in comparison don't. Yet even with that they don't win everything. No team can compete on every single front.
And there's nothing wrong with our winning mentality. We've won more than enough games in the past year to suggest it. We now have to see how we respond for the rest of the season. We're doing well in the league and the CL, and are in the middle of some tough fixtures. There's no point getting too pisssed off at this lost chance when there's so much of the season left to play. If at the end of the season we haven't achieved anything, you can look back at this with more scrutiny.
posted on 26/10/17
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 26 minutes ago
Winning becomes a habit, even winning the League Cup can help build that mentality in the squad.
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Well said kneerash. I cannot accept some of our supporters think yesterday was just a blip. It happens every season. And then they say ah but we have bigger fish to fry, as if going to any of United, Liverpool, Chelsea or Arsenal over the past 30 or 40 years has yield lots of win, I doubt Spurs have won more than half a dozen of 120 away games at those clubs the past 30 years. Again it is pretty shocking record.
A great week, should have been followed up with a routine cup win, that is what all good clubs do.
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Nope, all good clubs lose from time to time. Chelsea lost to this lot in the same round last season. We've been to more finals of this competition than Chelsea have, since we last won it.
However the manner of the loss is the worst aspect of this.
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Of course all clubs lose, I am not bemoaning that, Chelsea may have also lost to West Ham, but they have a winning mentality in general, Spurs don`t, they have won about a dozen trophies, since Spurs last won a trophy, big, big difference. I am sure their supporters can put up with the odd loss, if they are still hoovering up trophies.
Chelsea lost to West Ham and went on to win the league, if Spurs do the same then I will hold up my hand.
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Difference being that Chelsea have always had the resources to achieve that success and we in comparison don't. Yet even with that they don't win everything. No team can compete on every single front.
And there's nothing wrong with our winning mentality. We've won more than enough games in the past year to suggest it. We now have to see how we respond for the rest of the season. We're doing well in the league and the CL, and are in the middle of some tough fixtures. There's no point getting too pisssed off at this lost chance when there's so much of the season left to play. If at the end of the season we haven't achieved anything, you can look back at this with more scrutiny.
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I get your points, but after a great week, cruising along at 2-0 up with a little over 35 minutes left in the game, I think some of us are entitled to be very aggrieved that they somehow contrived to blow it, even if some are not.
posted on 26/10/17
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 26 minutes ago
Winning becomes a habit, even winning the League Cup can help build that mentality in the squad.
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Well said kneerash. I cannot accept some of our supporters think yesterday was just a blip. It happens every season. And then they say ah but we have bigger fish to fry, as if going to any of United, Liverpool, Chelsea or Arsenal over the past 30 or 40 years has yield lots of win, I doubt Spurs have won more than half a dozen of 120 away games at those clubs the past 30 years. Again it is pretty shocking record.
A great week, should have been followed up with a routine cup win, that is what all good clubs do.
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Nope, all good clubs lose from time to time. Chelsea lost to this lot in the same round last season. We've been to more finals of this competition than Chelsea have, since we last won it.
However the manner of the loss is the worst aspect of this.
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Of course all clubs lose, I am not bemoaning that, Chelsea may have also lost to West Ham, but they have a winning mentality in general, Spurs don`t, they have won about a dozen trophies, since Spurs last won a trophy, big, big difference. I am sure their supporters can put up with the odd loss, if they are still hoovering up trophies.
Chelsea lost to West Ham and went on to win the league, if Spurs do the same then I will hold up my hand.
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Difference being that Chelsea have always had the resources to achieve that success and we in comparison don't. Yet even with that they don't win everything. No team can compete on every single front.
And there's nothing wrong with our winning mentality. We've won more than enough games in the past year to suggest it. We now have to see how we respond for the rest of the season. We're doing well in the league and the CL, and are in the middle of some tough fixtures. There's no point getting too pisssed off at this lost chance when there's so much of the season left to play. If at the end of the season we haven't achieved anything, you can look back at this with more scrutiny.
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I get your points, but after a great week, cruising along at 2-0 up with a little over 35 minutes left in the game, I think some of us are entitled to be very aggrieved that they somehow contrived to blow it, even if some are not.
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posted on 26/10/17
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 26 minutes ago
Winning becomes a habit, even winning the League Cup can help build that mentality in the squad.
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Well said kneerash. I cannot accept some of our supporters think yesterday was just a blip. It happens every season. And then they say ah but we have bigger fish to fry, as if going to any of United, Liverpool, Chelsea or Arsenal over the past 30 or 40 years has yield lots of win, I doubt Spurs have won more than half a dozen of 120 away games at those clubs the past 30 years. Again it is pretty shocking record.
A great week, should have been followed up with a routine cup win, that is what all good clubs do.
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Nope, all good clubs lose from time to time. Chelsea lost to this lot in the same round last season. We've been to more finals of this competition than Chelsea have, since we last won it.
However the manner of the loss is the worst aspect of this.
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Of course all clubs lose, I am not bemoaning that, Chelsea may have also lost to West Ham, but they have a winning mentality in general, Spurs don`t, they have won about a dozen trophies, since Spurs last won a trophy, big, big difference. I am sure their supporters can put up with the odd loss, if they are still hoovering up trophies.
Chelsea lost to West Ham and went on to win the league, if Spurs do the same then I will hold up my hand.
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Difference being that Chelsea have always had the resources to achieve that success and we in comparison don't. Yet even with that they don't win everything. No team can compete on every single front.
And there's nothing wrong with our winning mentality. We've won more than enough games in the past year to suggest it. We now have to see how we respond for the rest of the season. We're doing well in the league and the CL, and are in the middle of some tough fixtures. There's no point getting too pisssed off at this lost chance when there's so much of the season left to play. If at the end of the season we haven't achieved anything, you can look back at this with more scrutiny.
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I get your points, but after a great week, cruising along at 2-0 up with a little over 35 minutes left in the game, I think some of us are entitled to be very aggrieved that they somehow contrived to blow it, even if some are not.
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Of course. I was greatly annoyed by it too, and still am. Just that while we're doing well on other fronts, and are still fairly early into the season, I guess you can't let it get to you too much without knowing what's left to come.
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