I think Conte does have stubborn habits that it wouldn't harm to change, e.g. Early subs, having players he clearly 'trusts' and having players he doesn't. It's also arguable that he was too defensive today with the 3-5-2. I believe it's a good option (and with 2-3 additions we could play it every game) but right now it's best to switch between 3-4-3 and 3-5-2 ad hoc
And who picks the players to miss those chances in the first place. Who chose to to sign Morata?
comment by Kunta Kinte Kante Conte (U1641)
posted 2 minutes ago
I think Conte does have stubborn habits that it wouldn't harm to change, e.g. Early subs, having players he clearly 'trusts' and having players he doesn't. It's also arguable that he was too defensive today with the 3-5-2. I believe it's a good option (and with 2-3 additions we could play it every game) but right now it's best to switch between 3-4-3 and 3-5-2 ad hoc
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Yeah but if the players were scoring the chances that are being created with the formations that Conte is using we would not be saying it is as much of a big problem as we are saying. Whatever team/formation he is using we still get great chances to win games
comment by SOS Usmanov (U21076)
posted 7 minutes ago
And who picks the players to miss those chances in the first place. Who chose to to sign Morata?
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Well Morata has proven with Real Madrid and Chelsea at the early stages of the season that he is good enough to be scoring them chances he is missing
Willian has definitely proved to everyone that he is definately good enough to score the chance that he missed in the week
So you can't blame Conte for individual mistakes
I only watched the 2nd half today but you didn’t create that much.
Morata has the one big chance but that was about it. Adrian didn’t have much to do. It was all in front of West Ham, nobody was getting in behind them or round the side of them. There some nice play on the edge of their box but it wasn’t leading anywhere.
But if Morata did score that chance that really he should be scoring than I think we would of went on to win that game. We had the momentum. That goal would of changed the whole way the game went in my opinion
Poor team effort today from Chelsea!
comment by Gianfranco Drogba (U8242)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Kunta Kinte Kante Conte (U1641)
posted 2 minutes ago
I think Conte does have stubborn habits that it wouldn't harm to change, e.g. Early subs, having players he clearly 'trusts' and having players he doesn't. It's also arguable that he was too defensive today with the 3-5-2. I believe it's a good option (and with 2-3 additions we could play it every game) but right now it's best to switch between 3-4-3 and 3-5-2 ad hoc
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Yeah but if the players were scoring the chances that are being created with the formations that Conte is using we would not be saying it is as much of a big problem as we are saying. Whatever team/formation he is using we still get great chances to win games
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So if players weren't missing sitters you'd have no problem with quality players just sitting on the bench game after game?
I actually agree we didn't play the best but if we was more clinical in front of goal this game would of been a hard away game that we managed to get through instead of what it turned out to be.
This game was always going to be tough after their performance at Man City which they deserved to get something from
Im not sure why we are playing 352 against lesser sides, We won the title with 343.
______Courtois
Azpi Christensen Cahill
Moses Cesc Kanté Alonso
Pedro Morata Hazard
Id roll with this team and try and get Luiz into the mould when he's fit.
You might score more if you started with more attackers on the pitch.
comment by Kuki (U6289)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by Gianfranco Drogba (U8242)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Kunta Kinte Kante Conte (U1641)
posted 2 minutes ago
I think Conte does have stubborn habits that it wouldn't harm to change, e.g. Early subs, having players he clearly 'trusts' and having players he doesn't. It's also arguable that he was too defensive today with the 3-5-2. I believe it's a good option (and with 2-3 additions we could play it every game) but right now it's best to switch between 3-4-3 and 3-5-2 ad hoc
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Yeah but if the players were scoring the chances that are being created with the formations that Conte is using we would not be saying it is as much of a big problem as we are saying. Whatever team/formation he is using we still get great chances to win games
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So if players weren't missing sitters you'd have no problem with quality players just sitting on the bench game after game?
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Yes but they would be less thought about if the players were scoring the chances they should be to win us games. I doubt anyone had a real problem with Cahill playing instead of John Terry last season even though a lot of Chelsea fans would of probably preferred JT as Cahill seems to be the scapegoat most of the time. But we were happy guess why?...... I think its because we were winning. But we are not winning now because these players are not taking thier chances so the players on the bench will get thought of more now
comment by The Chavy One (U12176)
posted 4 minutes ago
Im not sure why we are playing 352 against lesser sides, We won the title with 343.
______Courtois
Azpi Christensen Cahill
Moses Cesc Kanté Alonso
Pedro Morata Hazard
Id roll with this team and try and get Luiz into the mould when he's fit.
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Fabregas doesn't work well starting in 3-4-3. It may be worth persisting with Baka next to Kante or trying DW and Kante with their experience at Leicester
comment by The Chavy One (U12176)
posted 6 minutes ago
Im not sure why we are playing 352 against lesser sides, We won the title with 343.
______Courtois
Azpi Christensen Cahill
Moses Cesc Kanté Alonso
Pedro Morata Hazard
Id roll with this team and try and get Luiz into the mould when he's fit.
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I like this team. I actually prefer this formation. I do think we should go more attacking. I'm just saying that even though we are playing a less attacking formation we are still creating good enough chances for us to win these games we are losing/drawing.
Do you think Luiz n Kante in midfield would work in that formation?
West Ham were very organised, they mostly are against us at their place. We may not have been at our best today but that was as much down to West Ham as us, Hazard struggled to have his usual impact today.
I think we were too defensively set up from the start as well.
The brutal truth is we were slow and laborious and have played like that for a while now.
If you don't start playing for the first 20 minutes and concede in that period you're on the back foot straight away.
Yes Morata missed a sitter but how many other clear cut chances did we make other than that?
We've made some pretty underwhelming signings in the summer for positions we were pretty desperate to reinforce, someone should take the blame for that, Emennalo, Granovskaia, Conte - I don't know but our troubles have not evolved just from this week!
Morata missed a big chance today, but Chelsea didn't dominate so it was not going to be his day.
comment by kiki sharayman (U21705)
posted 27 minutes ago
Morata missed a big chance today, but Chelsea didn't dominate so it was not going to be his day.
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Well I guess that's why we have top class players in our team who can create chances to change games when we ain't dominating. We are not gonna dominate every game but we still have had the chances to get a result out of them. The players just haven't been clinical enough of late
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 57 minutes ago
The brutal truth is we were slow and laborious and have played like that for a while now.
If you don't start playing for the first 20 minutes and concede in that period you're on the back foot straight away.
Yes Morata missed a sitter but how many other clear cut chances did we make other than that?
We've made some pretty underwhelming signings in the summer for positions we were pretty desperate to reinforce, someone should take the blame for that, Emennalo, Granovskaia, Conte - I don't know but our troubles have not evolved just from this week!
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How many clear cut chances has Morata had recently which he hasn't scored? It's not just about today's match as previously stated Morata has not replicated the form he was in post the Man City game and he has has great opportunities to do so. It's not like we are not creating no chances at all. I am not saying we are playing the best football every week all I am saying is that the players need to be more clinical in front of goal n if they were we would be in a much better position
Fully agree that we shouldnt be starting with a mid 3 against these sides.
Not sure why we switched the formula from last year as ive seen enough to suggest Morata is good enough in a front 3
He's only making slight errors of judgement imo, probably is getting too much stick truth be told but that's only because he raised the bar so high last season, literally can't think of one thing he did wrong tactically.
My issue currently is his deployment of the two and three in midfield systems. I understand why he's introduced a mid 3 system, the more familiar teams get playing 3 at the back in the PL (most of which use the 3-5-2, a mid 3 system) the more the 3-4-2-1 would become an out and out counter approach. So I get that, he's just used it in odd matches, like today.
I've been saying we for weeks now we should be employing luiz in midfield as soon as he's fit....we won't though...
Have to move to a more attacking formation asap
I am not in the slightest bit worried about Morata. there is nothing to be worried about a striker having a bad run of form but with stats of 9 goals in 15 appearances.
His finishing will come back, his movement and football brain is outstanding and he will get physically stronger the more he plays in the Pl
As for Conte, i am a huge fan but he is noy beyond scrutiny.
He seems to like us to start games slow and build into the game. I think that is fine when playing the best teams, but agst West Ham we should have gone for the jugular straight away.
They scored early due to our sloe start and then played a brilliant defensive game, but had we scored first it would most probably have been game over.
comment by SOS Usmanov (U21076)
posted 11 hours, 33 minutes ago
And who picks the players to miss those chances in the first place. Who chose to to sign Morata?
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really sill post
comment by Zlatan The King Ibrahimovic (U10026)
posted 10 hours, 50 minutes ago
You might score more if you started with more attackers on the pitch.
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irony alert and actuall United have surely disproved that theory
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posted on 9/12/17
I think Conte does have stubborn habits that it wouldn't harm to change, e.g. Early subs, having players he clearly 'trusts' and having players he doesn't. It's also arguable that he was too defensive today with the 3-5-2. I believe it's a good option (and with 2-3 additions we could play it every game) but right now it's best to switch between 3-4-3 and 3-5-2 ad hoc
posted on 9/12/17
And who picks the players to miss those chances in the first place. Who chose to to sign Morata?
posted on 9/12/17
comment by Kunta Kinte Kante Conte (U1641)
posted 2 minutes ago
I think Conte does have stubborn habits that it wouldn't harm to change, e.g. Early subs, having players he clearly 'trusts' and having players he doesn't. It's also arguable that he was too defensive today with the 3-5-2. I believe it's a good option (and with 2-3 additions we could play it every game) but right now it's best to switch between 3-4-3 and 3-5-2 ad hoc
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Yeah but if the players were scoring the chances that are being created with the formations that Conte is using we would not be saying it is as much of a big problem as we are saying. Whatever team/formation he is using we still get great chances to win games
posted on 9/12/17
comment by SOS Usmanov (U21076)
posted 7 minutes ago
And who picks the players to miss those chances in the first place. Who chose to to sign Morata?
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Well Morata has proven with Real Madrid and Chelsea at the early stages of the season that he is good enough to be scoring them chances he is missing
Willian has definitely proved to everyone that he is definately good enough to score the chance that he missed in the week
So you can't blame Conte for individual mistakes
posted on 9/12/17
I only watched the 2nd half today but you didn’t create that much.
Morata has the one big chance but that was about it. Adrian didn’t have much to do. It was all in front of West Ham, nobody was getting in behind them or round the side of them. There some nice play on the edge of their box but it wasn’t leading anywhere.
posted on 9/12/17
But if Morata did score that chance that really he should be scoring than I think we would of went on to win that game. We had the momentum. That goal would of changed the whole way the game went in my opinion
posted on 9/12/17
Poor team effort today from Chelsea!
posted on 9/12/17
comment by Gianfranco Drogba (U8242)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Kunta Kinte Kante Conte (U1641)
posted 2 minutes ago
I think Conte does have stubborn habits that it wouldn't harm to change, e.g. Early subs, having players he clearly 'trusts' and having players he doesn't. It's also arguable that he was too defensive today with the 3-5-2. I believe it's a good option (and with 2-3 additions we could play it every game) but right now it's best to switch between 3-4-3 and 3-5-2 ad hoc
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Yeah but if the players were scoring the chances that are being created with the formations that Conte is using we would not be saying it is as much of a big problem as we are saying. Whatever team/formation he is using we still get great chances to win games
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So if players weren't missing sitters you'd have no problem with quality players just sitting on the bench game after game?
posted on 9/12/17
I actually agree we didn't play the best but if we was more clinical in front of goal this game would of been a hard away game that we managed to get through instead of what it turned out to be.
This game was always going to be tough after their performance at Man City which they deserved to get something from
posted on 9/12/17
Im not sure why we are playing 352 against lesser sides, We won the title with 343.
______Courtois
Azpi Christensen Cahill
Moses Cesc Kanté Alonso
Pedro Morata Hazard
Id roll with this team and try and get Luiz into the mould when he's fit.
posted on 9/12/17
You might score more if you started with more attackers on the pitch.
posted on 9/12/17
comment by Kuki (U6289)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by Gianfranco Drogba (U8242)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Kunta Kinte Kante Conte (U1641)
posted 2 minutes ago
I think Conte does have stubborn habits that it wouldn't harm to change, e.g. Early subs, having players he clearly 'trusts' and having players he doesn't. It's also arguable that he was too defensive today with the 3-5-2. I believe it's a good option (and with 2-3 additions we could play it every game) but right now it's best to switch between 3-4-3 and 3-5-2 ad hoc
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Yeah but if the players were scoring the chances that are being created with the formations that Conte is using we would not be saying it is as much of a big problem as we are saying. Whatever team/formation he is using we still get great chances to win games
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So if players weren't missing sitters you'd have no problem with quality players just sitting on the bench game after game?
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Yes but they would be less thought about if the players were scoring the chances they should be to win us games. I doubt anyone had a real problem with Cahill playing instead of John Terry last season even though a lot of Chelsea fans would of probably preferred JT as Cahill seems to be the scapegoat most of the time. But we were happy guess why?...... I think its because we were winning. But we are not winning now because these players are not taking thier chances so the players on the bench will get thought of more now
posted on 9/12/17
comment by The Chavy One (U12176)
posted 4 minutes ago
Im not sure why we are playing 352 against lesser sides, We won the title with 343.
______Courtois
Azpi Christensen Cahill
Moses Cesc Kanté Alonso
Pedro Morata Hazard
Id roll with this team and try and get Luiz into the mould when he's fit.
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Fabregas doesn't work well starting in 3-4-3. It may be worth persisting with Baka next to Kante or trying DW and Kante with their experience at Leicester
posted on 9/12/17
comment by The Chavy One (U12176)
posted 6 minutes ago
Im not sure why we are playing 352 against lesser sides, We won the title with 343.
______Courtois
Azpi Christensen Cahill
Moses Cesc Kanté Alonso
Pedro Morata Hazard
Id roll with this team and try and get Luiz into the mould when he's fit.
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I like this team. I actually prefer this formation. I do think we should go more attacking. I'm just saying that even though we are playing a less attacking formation we are still creating good enough chances for us to win these games we are losing/drawing.
Do you think Luiz n Kante in midfield would work in that formation?
posted on 9/12/17
West Ham were very organised, they mostly are against us at their place. We may not have been at our best today but that was as much down to West Ham as us, Hazard struggled to have his usual impact today.
I think we were too defensively set up from the start as well.
posted on 9/12/17
The brutal truth is we were slow and laborious and have played like that for a while now.
If you don't start playing for the first 20 minutes and concede in that period you're on the back foot straight away.
Yes Morata missed a sitter but how many other clear cut chances did we make other than that?
We've made some pretty underwhelming signings in the summer for positions we were pretty desperate to reinforce, someone should take the blame for that, Emennalo, Granovskaia, Conte - I don't know but our troubles have not evolved just from this week!
posted on 10/12/17
Morata missed a big chance today, but Chelsea didn't dominate so it was not going to be his day.
posted on 10/12/17
comment by kiki sharayman (U21705)
posted 27 minutes ago
Morata missed a big chance today, but Chelsea didn't dominate so it was not going to be his day.
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Well I guess that's why we have top class players in our team who can create chances to change games when we ain't dominating. We are not gonna dominate every game but we still have had the chances to get a result out of them. The players just haven't been clinical enough of late
posted on 10/12/17
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 57 minutes ago
The brutal truth is we were slow and laborious and have played like that for a while now.
If you don't start playing for the first 20 minutes and concede in that period you're on the back foot straight away.
Yes Morata missed a sitter but how many other clear cut chances did we make other than that?
We've made some pretty underwhelming signings in the summer for positions we were pretty desperate to reinforce, someone should take the blame for that, Emennalo, Granovskaia, Conte - I don't know but our troubles have not evolved just from this week!
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How many clear cut chances has Morata had recently which he hasn't scored? It's not just about today's match as previously stated Morata has not replicated the form he was in post the Man City game and he has has great opportunities to do so. It's not like we are not creating no chances at all. I am not saying we are playing the best football every week all I am saying is that the players need to be more clinical in front of goal n if they were we would be in a much better position
posted on 10/12/17
Fully agree that we shouldnt be starting with a mid 3 against these sides.
Not sure why we switched the formula from last year as ive seen enough to suggest Morata is good enough in a front 3
posted on 10/12/17
He's only making slight errors of judgement imo, probably is getting too much stick truth be told but that's only because he raised the bar so high last season, literally can't think of one thing he did wrong tactically.
My issue currently is his deployment of the two and three in midfield systems. I understand why he's introduced a mid 3 system, the more familiar teams get playing 3 at the back in the PL (most of which use the 3-5-2, a mid 3 system) the more the 3-4-2-1 would become an out and out counter approach. So I get that, he's just used it in odd matches, like today.
posted on 10/12/17
I've been saying we for weeks now we should be employing luiz in midfield as soon as he's fit....we won't though...
Have to move to a more attacking formation asap
posted on 10/12/17
I am not in the slightest bit worried about Morata. there is nothing to be worried about a striker having a bad run of form but with stats of 9 goals in 15 appearances.
His finishing will come back, his movement and football brain is outstanding and he will get physically stronger the more he plays in the Pl
As for Conte, i am a huge fan but he is noy beyond scrutiny.
He seems to like us to start games slow and build into the game. I think that is fine when playing the best teams, but agst West Ham we should have gone for the jugular straight away.
They scored early due to our sloe start and then played a brilliant defensive game, but had we scored first it would most probably have been game over.
posted on 10/12/17
comment by SOS Usmanov (U21076)
posted 11 hours, 33 minutes ago
And who picks the players to miss those chances in the first place. Who chose to to sign Morata?
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really sill post
posted on 10/12/17
comment by Zlatan The King Ibrahimovic (U10026)
posted 10 hours, 50 minutes ago
You might score more if you started with more attackers on the pitch.
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irony alert and actuall United have surely disproved that theory
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