could do anything though .... Crawford doesnt seem the type to be chasing status. He seems quite comfortable in his own skin.

he will only be at this level for another cpl years max though.

comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 7 minutes ago
What next for Crawford?

He made history by becoming undisputed in two weight classes. Inoue will probably equal that in his next fight. Crawford could easily become undisputed at 154 and I don't see Jermell Charlo being able to make that a competitive fight.

I think if Crawford really wants to put himself beyond his rivals in history, he should become undisputed at 154 and then clear out 160.
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Hmm.. I’m thinking Time is not the on his side..
do 154, win a World Title.. going undisputed will be tough, not saying it can’t be done, but personally, I can’t see him doing it, as great as he is.

160 nah, not enough time on his side.

Spence has said he wants the rematch, so it could happen.

Crawford will move up to 154 in my opinion. There is nothing left at 147.

the 154 division is very very weak however.... defo more eyes on 147 than 154

comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted about a minute ago
Spence has said he wants the rematch, so it could happen.

Crawford will move up to 154 in my opinion. There is nothing left at 147.
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well there is the rematch ...... Crawford would be silly to make it 154... surely he makes Spence make 147 again?

Crawford could easily become undisputed at 154. Jermell Charlo has all the belts, so Crawford vs Charlo would be for undisputed. That's one fight.

The other possibility is Charlo vacating and staying at 160.

Yeah I can definitely see Bud going for undisputed super welterweight but 160 feels like a step beyond tbh. I think Bud's fought his last fight at 147 though as he's admitted he's struggling to make the weight.

As mentioned above there's still a potential fight with Boots Ennis at 147 to be made but not sure that happens and not sure what else Bud can do at welterweight now.

Think the Charlo fight for 154 undisputed is the next fight unless Spence is foolish enough to trigger the rematch clause of course.

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 23 minutes ago
the 154 division is very very weak however.... defo more eyes on 147 than 154
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Yep 147 has the more talent.

So you saying he just has One fight at 154, wins and then just moves weight again, no title defence?

Charlo would have a rematch clause surely...

comment by StringerBell (U11749)
posted less than a minute ago
So you saying he just has One fight at 154, wins and then just moves weight again, no title defence?

Charlo would have a rematch clause surely...
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On paper, Crawford just needs the one fight at 154. It all depends on what Charlo does after the Canelo fight.

Crawfords stock will have risen and based on the feeling I have seen amongst fans, he is being considered as the best pound for pound fighter on the planet. There was talks about him being hard to promote or not generating revenue, well that's gone now. Everyone will be lining up to work with him.

comment by Superbettino (U6486)
posted 19 minutes ago
Yeah I can definitely see Bud going for undisputed super welterweight but 160 feels like a step beyond tbh. I think Bud's fought his last fight at 147 though as he's admitted he's struggling to make the weight.

As mentioned above there's still a potential fight with Boots Ennis at 147 to be made but not sure that happens and not sure what else Bud can do at welterweight now.

Think the Charlo fight for 154 undisputed is the next fight unless Spence is foolish enough to trigger the rematch clause of course.
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If I was Spence's team, I would dissuade him from taking that fight.

I very much doubt Charlo (if he loses against Canelo) then puts all his titles on the line against Bud. surely he takes another tick over fight between those two?

and given that Charlo is pretty inactive the fight with Bud could take nearly 2 year to make. I cant see it happening

If Charlo loses to Canelo he will have mandatories to face surely ? that will be nearly 3 years without facing a mandatory. so that coupled with he only fights once a year means that it could be almost impossible to make that fight ?

comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by StringerBell (U11749)
posted less than a minute ago
So you saying he just has One fight at 154, wins and then just moves weight again, no title defence?

Charlo would have a rematch clause surely...
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On paper, Crawford just needs the one fight at 154. It all depends on what Charlo does after the Canelo fight.

Crawfords stock will have risen and based on the feeling I have seen amongst fans, he is being considered as the best pound for pound fighter on the planet. There was talks about him being hard to promote or not generating revenue, well that's gone now. Everyone will be lining up to work with him.
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That’s was like, Bob Arum wasn’t it, said it years ago about Crawford.
I hope they get on blended knee, and throw all the money his way, cos he deserves it.
But the disrespect Crawford got from the promoters was abysmal.

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 7 minutes ago
I very much doubt Charlo (if he loses against Canelo) then puts all his titles on the line against Bud. surely he takes another tick over fight between those two?

and given that Charlo is pretty inactive the fight with Bud could take nearly 2 year to make. I cant see it happening
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Charlo vs Canelo in September.

If Charlo loses, he either comes back down and takes a stay busy fight early 2024 and then Crawford mid 2024.

The first thing Crawford done after winning was go on the ropes and point to Charlo. That fight will happen. The mandatories will be paid step aside because this is a big money fight.

I suspect Charlo vacates after the Canelo fight.

With Spence moving up to 154, Charlo will not want to fight his friend and stablemate.

comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 18 seconds ago
I suspect Charlo vacates after the Canelo fight.

With Spence moving up to 154, Charlo will not want to fight his friend and stablemate.
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If he loses I cant see him vacating ..... thats his fall back insurance IMO.

Like I said Charlo will have 4 mandatories that he can use to avoid Spence or whoever for a couple years. He can hold the belts hostage.

fight his mandos then move up when one of the big dogs becomes mando but given he fights once a year and will have 4 mandos he can choose from he could make Spence or Bud wait two years before fighting. by that time Bud will be 37/38 and maybe right for fighting or like I said if he doenst fancy either Spence or Bud can move up then after his mando's

But wouldn’t Charlo, fighting once a year risk being stripped of a title, cos Crawford and Spence are now in the Division?

comment by StringerBell (U11749)
posted 5 minutes ago
But wouldn’t Charlo, fighting once a year risk being stripped of a title, cos Crawford and Spence are now in the Division?
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neither will be mando immediately after moving up, he already has mandos at 154 surely since he hasnt fought any for what ... 2 years? So he could fight 2/3 or any of his mandos for any of his 4 belts and that would give him a 2 year buffer before he even needs to look at Bud or Spence. The only way Charlo fights either of them two in the next year is if they are volountary challenges and with the payday he will get from Canelo he wont be in any rush to fight either two IMO.

comment by StringerBell (U11749)
posted 56 minutes ago
comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by StringerBell (U11749)
posted less than a minute ago
So you saying he just has One fight at 154, wins and then just moves weight again, no title defence?

Charlo would have a rematch clause surely...
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On paper, Crawford just needs the one fight at 154. It all depends on what Charlo does after the Canelo fight.

Crawfords stock will have risen and based on the feeling I have seen amongst fans, he is being considered as the best pound for pound fighter on the planet. There was talks about him being hard to promote or not generating revenue, well that's gone now. Everyone will be lining up to work with him.
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That’s was like, Bob Arum wasn’t it, said it years ago about Crawford.
I hope they get on blended knee, and throw all the money his way, cos he deserves it.
But the disrespect Crawford got from the promoters was abysmal.
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I've always hated how Crawford wasn't a much bigger star than he should have been. It feels like the boxing world/promoters have tried to keep him down and make sure he isn't the ppv star he should have been. If anyone deserves to be a ppv star it's him as his fights are always exciting and people are finally starting to realise how special a fighter he is. Better late than never but still.

comment by Superbettino (U6486)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by StringerBell (U11749)
posted 56 minutes ago
comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by StringerBell (U11749)
posted less than a minute ago
So you saying he just has One fight at 154, wins and then just moves weight again, no title defence?

Charlo would have a rematch clause surely...
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On paper, Crawford just needs the one fight at 154. It all depends on what Charlo does after the Canelo fight.

Crawfords stock will have risen and based on the feeling I have seen amongst fans, he is being considered as the best pound for pound fighter on the planet. There was talks about him being hard to promote or not generating revenue, well that's gone now. Everyone will be lining up to work with him.
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That’s was like, Bob Arum wasn’t it, said it years ago about Crawford.
I hope they get on blended knee, and throw all the money his way, cos he deserves it.
But the disrespect Crawford got from the promoters was abysmal.
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I've always hated how Crawford wasn't a much bigger star than he should have been. It feels like the boxing world/promoters have tried to keep him down and make sure he isn't the ppv star he should have been. If anyone deserves to be a ppv star it's him as his fights are always exciting and people are finally starting to realise how special a fighter he is. Better late than never but still.
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There are two main reasons why Bud wasn't a bigger star or percieved to be one.

1. He was a lot less vocal in the past and done his talking in the ring. This was great for his in ring career but it's difficult for people to get behind him, from a casuals perspective.
2. He had success in a division that didn't have big names. Spence was fighting guys like Mikey Garcia,Ugas,Shawn Porter,Kell Brook, Danny Garcia, all guys who are well known or at least have been in big fights. If Crawford started his career at 147, he'd be a big star within a few fights.

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted about 2 hours ago
comment by StringerBell (U11749)
posted 5 minutes ago
But wouldn’t Charlo, fighting once a year risk being stripped of a title, cos Crawford and Spence are now in the Division?
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neither will be mando immediately after moving up, he already has mandos at 154 surely since he hasnt fought any for what ... 2 years? So he could fight 2/3 or any of his mandos for any of his 4 belts and that would give him a 2 year buffer before he even needs to look at Bud or Spence. The only way Charlo fights either of them two in the next year is if they are volountary challenges and with the payday he will get from Canelo he wont be in any rush to fight either two IMO.
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Charlo will not fight Spence.

They have been waiting for Charlo to move up, before moving to 154. So if Spence goes up to 154, he won't just fight guys with no titles. He wants the belts and the only way he gets them is if Charlo moves up.

My prediction: Charlo loses to Canelo. Charlo then goes back to 154 and defends against Tszyu. Charlo then vacates and goes up to 160. Spence vs Crawford for the belts at 154.

As for the mandatories, the governing bodies all make exceptions.

Jermall Charlo hasn't fought since June 2021 and he still holds the WBC super middleweight title. The president of the WBC has said they will not strip Charlo, because he is currently going through some mental health issues.

This is boxing.

Realistically, I think Crawford has 2-3 years at his prime left. This guy eats and sleeps boxing, so his body will hold up for longer, much like how Floyd was able to have longevity. Crawford also has a style that is based on skill and IQ, which tend to age well. Spence has a physically demanding style and that ages badly.