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comment by Curly 💩 - I'm mumpsimus and I know it.' (except on a Wednesday, that is my obstreperous day ) - ITS JIST A BIG CLIQUE N'AT (U1103)
posted 9 minutes ago
I would actually pay them far more to get a better quality of person for the job
They really do get paid a pittance in comparison with similar level people in the private sector, and even a lot of the public sector
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IMO I think the pay, for MPs is about right. I'd prefer we had conviction as opposed to career politicians. The standard of politician is probably on par with the standard of modern CEO, who these days through lack of innovation and long term vision can only really deliver "shareholder value" by cost cutting and restructuring. They have normally switched jobs but the time the talent drain, has full effect.
I do t know if that rule generally works Curly, Italy has the highest salaries for Politicians in Europe 100k+ and they still are pash at there jobs and corrupt.
Its a good day to bury bad news
Considering you don’t need a single qualification to be an MP it’s a vastly overpaid job (in terms of salary + the ridiculous expense)
I'm aware it's an "independent body" who decides they warrant a rise
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yeah I wonder who their working for
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Read a very interesting article earlier on Modern Monetary Theory, and how basically government debt as we perceive it is completely messed up.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/a34n54/modern-monetary-theory-explained
Interesting read.
The TaxPayers' Alliance Town Hall Rich List identified at least 2,314 council employees in England and Wales with total remuneration deals of £100,000 a year or more in 2015-16.
A total of 539 officials - 53 more than in 2014-15 - were on more than £150,000, according to its analysis.
Similar situation with the Civil Service and quangos.
MP's are the poor relations when it comes to government salaries. The "extras" probably make up for the shortfall however.
What piszed me Of is the CEO’s of Charities, they get paid an wad of cash to do what, while every other daft bassa volunteers for the charity, surely you could get someone to do the exact same job for far less money but have the cause close to their heart.
My old next door neighbour had a top job with Oxfam, she made that much money her husband was a stay at home look after the dogs and fly his kestrel type, she only worked three days a week aswell and everything paid for.
I stopped giving to big charities after that.
who these days through lack of innovation and long term vision can only really deliver "shareholder value" by cost cutting and restructuring. They have normally switched jobs but the time the talent drain, has full effect
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Oh….this. With bells on.
Winds me up, big time. They're off elsewhere, counting their massive bonuses, by the time the chickens come home to roost.
"Shareholder value" has been discredited even by the guy who originally coined the term, but it's still going on, and any chimp could do it.
In the case of GM, a succession of hucksters twisted the company this way and that, in order to increase shareholder value, and "financialise" the company. The only thing they didn't try was making better cars, so continued getting pumped in car-sales by Germany and Japan.
In the end, the taxpayer had to bail out the company to the tune of $11billion (or risk losing 1.5 million jobs and $100 billion in tax collections), but where were all the hucksters by then? Well out of it, and counting their "shareholder value" bonuses.
‘Market forces’ my erse.
I personally think the standard of politicians is at least as competent as those muppets. We have a tendency to blame politicians for our own failures. They're accused of being liars, but they lie because it works, and because they'll get slaughtered if they don't. They lie because we demand it of them, and whose fault is that?
It's much harder to run a country than to run a business. Even a very big business...you don't have anything like as many things to factor in.
It doesn't make sense to argue that all politicians are sheite. Why would that be, and what have we done about it?
If that's the case, there's something wrong with what we're asking them to do.
David Miliband the head of Thunderbirds, sorry the International Rescue Committee receives a salary of £425k.
comment by Park Lane Geezer (U10205)
posted 22 minutes ago
The TaxPayers' Alliance Town Hall Rich List identified at least 2,314 council employees in England and Wales with total remuneration deals of £100,000 a year or more in 2015-16.
A total of 539 officials - 53 more than in 2014-15 - were on more than £150,000, according to its analysis.
Similar situation with the Civil Service and quangos.
MP's are the poor relations when it comes to government salaries. The "extras" probably make up for the shortfall however.
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The Taxpayer's Alliance is a bunch of absolute nobodies.
Useless organisation.
given the pay freezes and minimal percentage salary increases for the public sector workers of late this is really quite embarrassing for MP's, smacks of hypocrisy.
To say they have no power over this is a pathetic excuse and laughable really.
They deserve every penny.
Fwcked if I’d want any of you lot whining away and “writing in” to blame me for everything going wrong in your pathetic lives.
Cwnts the lot of you.
comment by Esc is always right (U2992)
posted 4 minutes ago
They deserve every penny.
Fwcked if I’d want any of you lot whining away and “writing in” to blame me for everything going wrong in your pathetic lives.
Cwnts the lot of you.
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So you're not receiving my letters?
comment by Miller (U9310)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Esc is always right (U2992)
posted 4 minutes ago
They deserve every penny.
Fwcked if I’d want any of you lot whining away and “writing in” to blame me for everything going wrong in your pathetic lives.
Cwnts the lot of you.
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So you're not receiving my letters?
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I recognise them by the crayons.
Bin.
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
Read a very interesting article earlier on Modern Monetary Theory, and how basically government debt as we perceive it is completely messed up.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/a34n54/modern-monetary-theory-explained
Interesting read.
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Read the same article. The concept of giving everyone a job at $15 an hour effectively eliminating poverty was very interesting. Im sure they are trialing something like this in Norway.
The last paragraph in the article pretty much says it all though unfortunately;
"Myerson isn’t so sanguine. He isn’t convinced winning the intellectual debate will be enough. “The billionaires have the power so the economics that supports their agenda is going to be the predominant one.” If MMT became mainstream and increased public spending became the norm, power and wealth would shift away from the ruling class. Myerson suspects that won’t happen without a struggle. He remembers something that Ann Larson and Laura Hanna of the group Debt Collective said at the conference: “There will be no trickle-down MMT. It’s going to have to come from organizing people.”
So the powerful and wealthy would have to give up their privileged positions for the benefit of society? They wont and the sorry state of the birth lottery determining the fate of lives will continue to worsen.
I'll just spam your twitter again.
comment by Miller (U9310)
posted 1 minute ago
I'll just spam your twitter again.
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I wasn’t on twitter until Mick decided to create one for me. 😡
comment by Hoop Dream$ (U14822)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
Read a very interesting article earlier on Modern Monetary Theory, and how basically government debt as we perceive it is completely messed up.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/a34n54/modern-monetary-theory-explained
Interesting read.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Read the same article. The concept of giving everyone a job at $15 an hour effectively eliminating poverty was very interesting. Im sure they are trialing something like this in Norway.
The last paragraph in the article pretty much says it all though unfortunately;
"Myerson isn’t so sanguine. He isn’t convinced winning the intellectual debate will be enough. “The billionaires have the power so the economics that supports their agenda is going to be the predominant one.” If MMT became mainstream and increased public spending became the norm, power and wealth would shift away from the ruling class. Myerson suspects that won’t happen without a struggle. He remembers something that Ann Larson and Laura Hanna of the group Debt Collective said at the conference: “There will be no trickle-down MMT. It’s going to have to come from organizing people.”
So the powerful and wealthy would have to give up their privileged positions for the benefit of society? They wont and the sorry state of the birth lottery determining the fate of lives will continue to worsen.
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So basically you want communism.
Yep, got a great track record.
comment by Hoop Dream$ (U14822)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
Read a very interesting article earlier on Modern Monetary Theory, and how basically government debt as we perceive it is completely messed up.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/a34n54/modern-monetary-theory-explained
Interesting read.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Read the same article. The concept of giving everyone a job at $15 an hour effectively eliminating poverty was very interesting. Im sure they are trialing something like this in Norway.
The last paragraph in the article pretty much says it all though unfortunately;
"Myerson isn’t so sanguine. He isn’t convinced winning the intellectual debate will be enough. “The billionaires have the power so the economics that supports their agenda is going to be the predominant one.” If MMT became mainstream and increased public spending became the norm, power and wealth would shift away from the ruling class. Myerson suspects that won’t happen without a struggle. He remembers something that Ann Larson and Laura Hanna of the group Debt Collective said at the conference: “There will be no trickle-down MMT. It’s going to have to come from organizing people.”
So the powerful and wealthy would have to give up their privileged positions for the benefit of society? They wont and the sorry state of the birth lottery determining the fate of lives will continue to worsen.
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I really like the idea, i studied economics and it makes sense to me, though in reality however good a solution this is, keeping all these people in work when Job automation really hits would be another story and as you point out it's mighty difficult to change anything like this from the bottom up. Would probably need a revolution of Bolshevik standards to ever have a chance of getting off the ground though.
In Finland they have been trialing Universal Basic Income there for a while, every person in work or not receives £500 a month from the government. A potentially good solution for the job automation issues to come.
comment by If anyone can, Emre Can (U3979)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Hoop Dream$ (U14822)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
Read a very interesting article earlier on Modern Monetary Theory, and how basically government debt as we perceive it is completely messed up.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/a34n54/modern-monetary-theory-explained
Interesting read.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Read the same article. The concept of giving everyone a job at $15 an hour effectively eliminating poverty was very interesting. Im sure they are trialing something like this in Norway.
The last paragraph in the article pretty much says it all though unfortunately;
"Myerson isn’t so sanguine. He isn’t convinced winning the intellectual debate will be enough. “The billionaires have the power so the economics that supports their agenda is going to be the predominant one.” If MMT became mainstream and increased public spending became the norm, power and wealth would shift away from the ruling class. Myerson suspects that won’t happen without a struggle. He remembers something that Ann Larson and Laura Hanna of the group Debt Collective said at the conference: “There will be no trickle-down MMT. It’s going to have to come from organizing people.”
So the powerful and wealthy would have to give up their privileged positions for the benefit of society? They wont and the sorry state of the birth lottery determining the fate of lives will continue to worsen.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So basically you want communism.
Yep, got a great track record.
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Did you even read the article?
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comment by I am just McCann these days, Unless I am pumpin ye and ye want to call me Daddy (U21454)
posted 3 hours, 21 minutes ago
I do t know if that rule generally works Curly, Italy has the highest salaries for Politicians in Europe 100k+ and they still are pash at there jobs and corrupt.
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Was watching Last Week Tonight on Monday, and John Oliver did a piece on their upcoming election.. I believe it's the 17th General Election they've had in 16 years 😂
Also the standard of candidate running in it is hilarious.. even Berlusconi is back despite looking like a rejected Waxwork and being illegible for another year still.
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comment by Curly 💩 - I'm mumpsimus and I know it.' (except on a Wednesday, that is my obstreperous day ) - ITS JIST A BIG CLIQUE N'AT (U1103)
posted 9 minutes ago
I would actually pay them far more to get a better quality of person for the job
They really do get paid a pittance in comparison with similar level people in the private sector, and even a lot of the public sector
----------------------------------------------------------------------
IMO I think the pay, for MPs is about right. I'd prefer we had conviction as opposed to career politicians. The standard of politician is probably on par with the standard of modern CEO, who these days through lack of innovation and long term vision can only really deliver "shareholder value" by cost cutting and restructuring. They have normally switched jobs but the time the talent drain, has full effect.
posted on 1/3/18
I do t know if that rule generally works Curly, Italy has the highest salaries for Politicians in Europe 100k+ and they still are pash at there jobs and corrupt.
posted on 1/3/18
Its a good day to bury bad news
posted on 1/3/18
Considering you don’t need a single qualification to be an MP it’s a vastly overpaid job (in terms of salary + the ridiculous expense)
posted on 1/3/18
I'm aware it's an "independent body" who decides they warrant a rise
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yeah I wonder who their working for
posted on 1/3/18
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posted on 1/3/18
Read a very interesting article earlier on Modern Monetary Theory, and how basically government debt as we perceive it is completely messed up.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/a34n54/modern-monetary-theory-explained
Interesting read.
posted on 1/3/18
The TaxPayers' Alliance Town Hall Rich List identified at least 2,314 council employees in England and Wales with total remuneration deals of £100,000 a year or more in 2015-16.
A total of 539 officials - 53 more than in 2014-15 - were on more than £150,000, according to its analysis.
Similar situation with the Civil Service and quangos.
MP's are the poor relations when it comes to government salaries. The "extras" probably make up for the shortfall however.
posted on 1/3/18
What piszed me Of is the CEO’s of Charities, they get paid an wad of cash to do what, while every other daft bassa volunteers for the charity, surely you could get someone to do the exact same job for far less money but have the cause close to their heart.
My old next door neighbour had a top job with Oxfam, she made that much money her husband was a stay at home look after the dogs and fly his kestrel type, she only worked three days a week aswell and everything paid for.
I stopped giving to big charities after that.
posted on 1/3/18
who these days through lack of innovation and long term vision can only really deliver "shareholder value" by cost cutting and restructuring. They have normally switched jobs but the time the talent drain, has full effect
==========================================================
Oh….this. With bells on.
Winds me up, big time. They're off elsewhere, counting their massive bonuses, by the time the chickens come home to roost.
"Shareholder value" has been discredited even by the guy who originally coined the term, but it's still going on, and any chimp could do it.
In the case of GM, a succession of hucksters twisted the company this way and that, in order to increase shareholder value, and "financialise" the company. The only thing they didn't try was making better cars, so continued getting pumped in car-sales by Germany and Japan.
In the end, the taxpayer had to bail out the company to the tune of $11billion (or risk losing 1.5 million jobs and $100 billion in tax collections), but where were all the hucksters by then? Well out of it, and counting their "shareholder value" bonuses.
‘Market forces’ my erse.
I personally think the standard of politicians is at least as competent as those muppets. We have a tendency to blame politicians for our own failures. They're accused of being liars, but they lie because it works, and because they'll get slaughtered if they don't. They lie because we demand it of them, and whose fault is that?
It's much harder to run a country than to run a business. Even a very big business...you don't have anything like as many things to factor in.
It doesn't make sense to argue that all politicians are sheite. Why would that be, and what have we done about it?
If that's the case, there's something wrong with what we're asking them to do.
posted on 1/3/18
David Miliband the head of Thunderbirds, sorry the International Rescue Committee receives a salary of £425k.
posted on 1/3/18
comment by Park Lane Geezer (U10205)
posted 22 minutes ago
The TaxPayers' Alliance Town Hall Rich List identified at least 2,314 council employees in England and Wales with total remuneration deals of £100,000 a year or more in 2015-16.
A total of 539 officials - 53 more than in 2014-15 - were on more than £150,000, according to its analysis.
Similar situation with the Civil Service and quangos.
MP's are the poor relations when it comes to government salaries. The "extras" probably make up for the shortfall however.
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The Taxpayer's Alliance is a bunch of absolute nobodies.
Useless organisation.
posted on 1/3/18
given the pay freezes and minimal percentage salary increases for the public sector workers of late this is really quite embarrassing for MP's, smacks of hypocrisy.
To say they have no power over this is a pathetic excuse and laughable really.
posted on 1/3/18
They deserve every penny.
Fwcked if I’d want any of you lot whining away and “writing in” to blame me for everything going wrong in your pathetic lives.
Cwnts the lot of you.
posted on 1/3/18
comment by Esc is always right (U2992)
posted 4 minutes ago
They deserve every penny.
Fwcked if I’d want any of you lot whining away and “writing in” to blame me for everything going wrong in your pathetic lives.
Cwnts the lot of you.
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So you're not receiving my letters?
posted on 1/3/18
comment by Miller (U9310)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Esc is always right (U2992)
posted 4 minutes ago
They deserve every penny.
Fwcked if I’d want any of you lot whining away and “writing in” to blame me for everything going wrong in your pathetic lives.
Cwnts the lot of you.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So you're not receiving my letters?
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I recognise them by the crayons.
Bin.
posted on 1/3/18
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
Read a very interesting article earlier on Modern Monetary Theory, and how basically government debt as we perceive it is completely messed up.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/a34n54/modern-monetary-theory-explained
Interesting read.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Read the same article. The concept of giving everyone a job at $15 an hour effectively eliminating poverty was very interesting. Im sure they are trialing something like this in Norway.
The last paragraph in the article pretty much says it all though unfortunately;
"Myerson isn’t so sanguine. He isn’t convinced winning the intellectual debate will be enough. “The billionaires have the power so the economics that supports their agenda is going to be the predominant one.” If MMT became mainstream and increased public spending became the norm, power and wealth would shift away from the ruling class. Myerson suspects that won’t happen without a struggle. He remembers something that Ann Larson and Laura Hanna of the group Debt Collective said at the conference: “There will be no trickle-down MMT. It’s going to have to come from organizing people.”
So the powerful and wealthy would have to give up their privileged positions for the benefit of society? They wont and the sorry state of the birth lottery determining the fate of lives will continue to worsen.
posted on 1/3/18
I'll just spam your twitter again.
posted on 1/3/18
comment by Miller (U9310)
posted 1 minute ago
I'll just spam your twitter again.
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I wasn’t on twitter until Mick decided to create one for me. 😡
posted on 1/3/18
comment by Hoop Dream$ (U14822)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
Read a very interesting article earlier on Modern Monetary Theory, and how basically government debt as we perceive it is completely messed up.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/a34n54/modern-monetary-theory-explained
Interesting read.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Read the same article. The concept of giving everyone a job at $15 an hour effectively eliminating poverty was very interesting. Im sure they are trialing something like this in Norway.
The last paragraph in the article pretty much says it all though unfortunately;
"Myerson isn’t so sanguine. He isn’t convinced winning the intellectual debate will be enough. “The billionaires have the power so the economics that supports their agenda is going to be the predominant one.” If MMT became mainstream and increased public spending became the norm, power and wealth would shift away from the ruling class. Myerson suspects that won’t happen without a struggle. He remembers something that Ann Larson and Laura Hanna of the group Debt Collective said at the conference: “There will be no trickle-down MMT. It’s going to have to come from organizing people.”
So the powerful and wealthy would have to give up their privileged positions for the benefit of society? They wont and the sorry state of the birth lottery determining the fate of lives will continue to worsen.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So basically you want communism.
Yep, got a great track record.
posted on 1/3/18
comment by Hoop Dream$ (U14822)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
Read a very interesting article earlier on Modern Monetary Theory, and how basically government debt as we perceive it is completely messed up.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/a34n54/modern-monetary-theory-explained
Interesting read.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Read the same article. The concept of giving everyone a job at $15 an hour effectively eliminating poverty was very interesting. Im sure they are trialing something like this in Norway.
The last paragraph in the article pretty much says it all though unfortunately;
"Myerson isn’t so sanguine. He isn’t convinced winning the intellectual debate will be enough. “The billionaires have the power so the economics that supports their agenda is going to be the predominant one.” If MMT became mainstream and increased public spending became the norm, power and wealth would shift away from the ruling class. Myerson suspects that won’t happen without a struggle. He remembers something that Ann Larson and Laura Hanna of the group Debt Collective said at the conference: “There will be no trickle-down MMT. It’s going to have to come from organizing people.”
So the powerful and wealthy would have to give up their privileged positions for the benefit of society? They wont and the sorry state of the birth lottery determining the fate of lives will continue to worsen.
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I really like the idea, i studied economics and it makes sense to me, though in reality however good a solution this is, keeping all these people in work when Job automation really hits would be another story and as you point out it's mighty difficult to change anything like this from the bottom up. Would probably need a revolution of Bolshevik standards to ever have a chance of getting off the ground though.
In Finland they have been trialing Universal Basic Income there for a while, every person in work or not receives £500 a month from the government. A potentially good solution for the job automation issues to come.
posted on 1/3/18
comment by If anyone can, Emre Can (U3979)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Hoop Dream$ (U14822)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
Read a very interesting article earlier on Modern Monetary Theory, and how basically government debt as we perceive it is completely messed up.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/a34n54/modern-monetary-theory-explained
Interesting read.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Read the same article. The concept of giving everyone a job at $15 an hour effectively eliminating poverty was very interesting. Im sure they are trialing something like this in Norway.
The last paragraph in the article pretty much says it all though unfortunately;
"Myerson isn’t so sanguine. He isn’t convinced winning the intellectual debate will be enough. “The billionaires have the power so the economics that supports their agenda is going to be the predominant one.” If MMT became mainstream and increased public spending became the norm, power and wealth would shift away from the ruling class. Myerson suspects that won’t happen without a struggle. He remembers something that Ann Larson and Laura Hanna of the group Debt Collective said at the conference: “There will be no trickle-down MMT. It’s going to have to come from organizing people.”
So the powerful and wealthy would have to give up their privileged positions for the benefit of society? They wont and the sorry state of the birth lottery determining the fate of lives will continue to worsen.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So basically you want communism.
Yep, got a great track record.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Did you even read the article?
posted on 1/3/18
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posted on 1/3/18
comment by I am just McCann these days, Unless I am pumpin ye and ye want to call me Daddy (U21454)
posted 3 hours, 21 minutes ago
I do t know if that rule generally works Curly, Italy has the highest salaries for Politicians in Europe 100k+ and they still are pash at there jobs and corrupt.
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Was watching Last Week Tonight on Monday, and John Oliver did a piece on their upcoming election.. I believe it's the 17th General Election they've had in 16 years 😂
Also the standard of candidate running in it is hilarious.. even Berlusconi is back despite looking like a rejected Waxwork and being illegible for another year still.
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