Good article mate Agree with it all looking from the outside, this Spurs team has more about them than any I can recall in terms of fight and grit, far less flakey than previous sides who were great on the eye but could fall apart.
The squad is developing along with the manager, you're not having your players picked off either, IMO that's a real sign of progress for any side trying to mix it at the top.
This season has shown you're now will in the mix at the higher end of the league, the cups and in Europe too, you had a horrible CL group and came out of it brilliantly, then a very tough draw v Juve where you played very well overall but Juve's experience showed, no harm in that, another good learning experience for the young squad.
I hope Poch stays with you for a good while longer.
I really think spurs have to win something to shake off that tag they seem to carry round, even if you managed to beat juventus and then gt ko'd in the last 8 the same tag would have been thrown around, same as the fa cup semi last year, if you won that and lost to arsenal those same clichés would have started a month later, the Chelsea game yes it was a throwaway but still at that point pretty much out the title race, choking and bottling should be reserved to teams who are that 1 game away from actually winning something and then dont
only way to shake it completely is win something meaningful
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comment by United_kaz, “2-1 ,2-1, 2-1” spit guard at the ready (U9943)
posted 11 minutes ago
I really think spurs have to win something to shake off that tag they seem to carry round, even if you managed to beat juventus and then gt ko'd in the last 8 the same tag would have been thrown around, same as the fa cup semi last year, if you won that and lost to arsenal those same clichés would have started a month later, the Chelsea game yes it was a throwaway but still at that point pretty much out the title race, choking and bottling should be reserved to teams who are that 1 game away from actually winning something and then dont
only way to shake it completely is win something meaningful
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Problem is Spurs in the past five or six seasons have always come up against the best sides around in semi-finals, even finals. They either play Chelsea or Man United, they never seem to get a Hull, Reading or a Wigan to get to finals, like other clubs have in recent times. Sometimes you need a bit of luck, and whilst Spurs have had easy draws to get to the semi, when you get there, they perhaps could have done with the easiest draw of the lot, Southampton. Instead Chelsea, who have been to multiple finals in the past decade draw them.
The trick is, sandy, to knock the big teams out in earlier rounds like Arsenal did in 2014 and 2015
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by United_kaz, “2-1 ,2-1, 2-1” spit guard at the ready (U9943)
posted 11 minutes ago
I really think spurs have to win something to shake off that tag they seem to carry round, even if you managed to beat juventus and then gt ko'd in the last 8 the same tag would have been thrown around, same as the fa cup semi last year, if you won that and lost to arsenal those same clichés would have started a month later, the Chelsea game yes it was a throwaway but still at that point pretty much out the title race, choking and bottling should be reserved to teams who are that 1 game away from actually winning something and then dont
only way to shake it completely is win something meaningful
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Problem is Spurs in the past five or six seasons have always come up against the best sides around in semi-finals, even finals. They either play Chelsea or Man United, they never seem to get a Hull, Reading or a Wigan to get to finals, like other clubs have in recent times. Sometimes you need a bit of luck, and whilst Spurs have had easy draws to get to the semi, when you get there, they perhaps could have done with the easiest draw of the lot, Southampton. Instead Chelsea, who have been to multiple finals in the past decade draw them.
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To be fair Sandy, bottom of the league Pompey knocked us out in the not too distant past.
Problem is Spurs in the past five or six seasons have always come up against the best sides around in semi-finals, even finals. They either play Chelsea or Man United, they never seem to get a Hull, Reading or a Wigan to get to finals, like other clubs have in recent times. Sometimes you need a bit of luck, and whilst Spurs have had easy draws to get to the semi, when you get there, they perhaps could have done with the easiest draw of the lot, Southampton. Instead Chelsea, who have been to multiple finals in the past decade draw them.
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tbf more often than not that's probably is what's going to happen at that stage of a tournament, you will get the odd team not considered as a top 6 team who will make it through but big teams are expected at that stage, and like you said having a soft draw beforehand up to that stage you cant complain too much
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So true. I personally wouldn’t swap him for anyone. No chance imo Guardiola or Mourinho would’ve done as well on such a tight budget.
Also, he is a class act as a man, I have nothing but respect for him
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Ace, this is spot on. He really is a class act and I think it's obvious that other managers/coaches respect him. He never talks badly about other clubs or people and I think he always carries himself superbly. He is the time of man that youngsters can look up to. I don't think there are many managers like that in the league. You never see him "lose it" at the 4th official etc.
After a sticky start the club have generally coped very well with the Wembley thing. Nearly all the Spurs fans I know thought 6th was as good as we could expect from this season.
The media don't seem to have noticed how well we've done so far with minimal home advantage although that said they were plenty interested enough during the early (hoodoo) weeks.
Have you note been readin mainstream media all of a sudden people aren’t half making noise about our ‘home’ cup advantage. No mentions of how we struggled early doors.
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 2 hours, 23 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by United_kaz, “2-1 ,2-1, 2-1” spit guard at the ready (U9943)
posted 11 minutes ago
I really think spurs have to win something to shake off that tag they seem to carry round, even if you managed to beat juventus and then gt ko'd in the last 8 the same tag would have been thrown around, same as the fa cup semi last year, if you won that and lost to arsenal those same clichés would have started a month later, the Chelsea game yes it was a throwaway but still at that point pretty much out the title race, choking and bottling should be reserved to teams who are that 1 game away from actually winning something and then dont
only way to shake it completely is win something meaningful
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Problem is Spurs in the past five or six seasons have always come up against the best sides around in semi-finals, even finals. They either play Chelsea or Man United, they never seem to get a Hull, Reading or a Wigan to get to finals, like other clubs have in recent times. Sometimes you need a bit of luck, and whilst Spurs have had easy draws to get to the semi, when you get there, they perhaps could have done with the easiest draw of the lot, Southampton. Instead Chelsea, who have been to multiple finals in the past decade draw them.
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To be fair Sandy, bottom of the league Pompey knocked us out in the not too distant past.
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That was eight years ago, since then Spurs have had semi-finals against Chelsea, Man United, also their last three league cup finals were against Chelsea and Man United.
Compare that with Arsenal in the FA Cup 2013/14 Wigan and Hull in semi and final, and 2014/15 Reading and Villa in the semi and final. Spurs don`t get that sort of opponent when it really matters.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 2 hours, 28 minutes ago
The trick is, sandy, to knock the big teams out in earlier rounds like Arsenal did in 2014 and 2015
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You knocked out just one decent side in season 2014/15, your fixtrures, were Hull, Brighton, Middlesbro, Man United, Reading and Villa. Spurs will have to play at least two of the biggies this season, and have only been drawn at home once this season, and that is not their real home.
Compare that with Arsenal in the FA Cup 2013/14 Wigan and Hull in semi and final, and 2014/15 Reading and Villa in the semi and final.
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Arsenal beat Spurs, Liverpool, Everton and Manchester United to get to the semi-finals in those years. We just ran out of top teams to beat...
We also, of course, beat Man City and Chelsea last season in the semi-final and final.
Spurs don't get "that sort of opponent when it really matters" because you cannot beat the top teams when you draw them in early rounds...
Out of the "big teams" I think I am right in saying Spurs have only faced Arsenal and Chelsea (x2) in the last 8 years. Lost all 3.
You can't lose to teams like Crystal Palace, Leeds United and Fulham then bemoan not getting "favourable" cup semi finals
Our GD isn't quite as good - not helped by a few more goals conceded and fewer goals scored
_______
...what else would affect goal difference?
comment by HaaK (U11574)
posted 38 minutes ago
Our GD isn't quite as good - not helped by a few more goals conceded and fewer goals scored
_______
...what else would affect goal difference?
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Very true. I hang my head in shame!
comment by lanespurs3 (U11398)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by HaaK (U11574)
posted 38 minutes ago
Our GD isn't quite as good - not helped by a few more goals conceded and fewer goals scored
_______
...what else would affect goal difference?
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Very true. I hang my head in shame!
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Our goal difference now is similar to that at this stage last season.
From about April onwards we beat both Watford and Bournemouth 4-0, then hammered Leicester and Watford 6-1 and 7-1 respectively which contributed a decent chunk of our goal difference in the end.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 13 hours, 46 minutes ago
Out of the "big teams" I think I am right in saying Spurs have only faced Arsenal and Chelsea (x2) in the last 8 years. Lost all 3.
You can't lose to teams like Crystal Palace, Leeds United and Fulham then bemoan not getting "favourable" cup semi finals
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or Nottm Forest
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 13 hours, 46 minutes ago
Out of the "big teams" I think I am right in saying Spurs have only faced Arsenal and Chelsea (x2) in the last 8 years. Lost all 3.
You can't lose to teams like Crystal Palace, Leeds United and Fulham then bemoan not getting "favourable" cup semi finals
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or Nottm Forest
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Yes, but Arsenal fans aren't crying about having to face Manchester City and then Chelsea in last seasons semi and final....
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posted on 27/3/18
Good article mate Agree with it all looking from the outside, this Spurs team has more about them than any I can recall in terms of fight and grit, far less flakey than previous sides who were great on the eye but could fall apart.
The squad is developing along with the manager, you're not having your players picked off either, IMO that's a real sign of progress for any side trying to mix it at the top.
This season has shown you're now will in the mix at the higher end of the league, the cups and in Europe too, you had a horrible CL group and came out of it brilliantly, then a very tough draw v Juve where you played very well overall but Juve's experience showed, no harm in that, another good learning experience for the young squad.
I hope Poch stays with you for a good while longer.
posted on 27/3/18
I really think spurs have to win something to shake off that tag they seem to carry round, even if you managed to beat juventus and then gt ko'd in the last 8 the same tag would have been thrown around, same as the fa cup semi last year, if you won that and lost to arsenal those same clichés would have started a month later, the Chelsea game yes it was a throwaway but still at that point pretty much out the title race, choking and bottling should be reserved to teams who are that 1 game away from actually winning something and then dont
only way to shake it completely is win something meaningful
posted on 27/3/18
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posted on 27/3/18
comment by United_kaz, “2-1 ,2-1, 2-1” spit guard at the ready (U9943)
posted 11 minutes ago
I really think spurs have to win something to shake off that tag they seem to carry round, even if you managed to beat juventus and then gt ko'd in the last 8 the same tag would have been thrown around, same as the fa cup semi last year, if you won that and lost to arsenal those same clichés would have started a month later, the Chelsea game yes it was a throwaway but still at that point pretty much out the title race, choking and bottling should be reserved to teams who are that 1 game away from actually winning something and then dont
only way to shake it completely is win something meaningful
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Problem is Spurs in the past five or six seasons have always come up against the best sides around in semi-finals, even finals. They either play Chelsea or Man United, they never seem to get a Hull, Reading or a Wigan to get to finals, like other clubs have in recent times. Sometimes you need a bit of luck, and whilst Spurs have had easy draws to get to the semi, when you get there, they perhaps could have done with the easiest draw of the lot, Southampton. Instead Chelsea, who have been to multiple finals in the past decade draw them.
posted on 27/3/18
The trick is, sandy, to knock the big teams out in earlier rounds like Arsenal did in 2014 and 2015
posted on 27/3/18
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by United_kaz, “2-1 ,2-1, 2-1” spit guard at the ready (U9943)
posted 11 minutes ago
I really think spurs have to win something to shake off that tag they seem to carry round, even if you managed to beat juventus and then gt ko'd in the last 8 the same tag would have been thrown around, same as the fa cup semi last year, if you won that and lost to arsenal those same clichés would have started a month later, the Chelsea game yes it was a throwaway but still at that point pretty much out the title race, choking and bottling should be reserved to teams who are that 1 game away from actually winning something and then dont
only way to shake it completely is win something meaningful
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Problem is Spurs in the past five or six seasons have always come up against the best sides around in semi-finals, even finals. They either play Chelsea or Man United, they never seem to get a Hull, Reading or a Wigan to get to finals, like other clubs have in recent times. Sometimes you need a bit of luck, and whilst Spurs have had easy draws to get to the semi, when you get there, they perhaps could have done with the easiest draw of the lot, Southampton. Instead Chelsea, who have been to multiple finals in the past decade draw them.
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To be fair Sandy, bottom of the league Pompey knocked us out in the not too distant past.
posted on 27/3/18
Problem is Spurs in the past five or six seasons have always come up against the best sides around in semi-finals, even finals. They either play Chelsea or Man United, they never seem to get a Hull, Reading or a Wigan to get to finals, like other clubs have in recent times. Sometimes you need a bit of luck, and whilst Spurs have had easy draws to get to the semi, when you get there, they perhaps could have done with the easiest draw of the lot, Southampton. Instead Chelsea, who have been to multiple finals in the past decade draw them.
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tbf more often than not that's probably is what's going to happen at that stage of a tournament, you will get the odd team not considered as a top 6 team who will make it through but big teams are expected at that stage, and like you said having a soft draw beforehand up to that stage you cant complain too much
posted on 27/3/18
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posted on 27/3/18
So true. I personally wouldn’t swap him for anyone. No chance imo Guardiola or Mourinho would’ve done as well on such a tight budget.
posted on 27/3/18
Also, he is a class act as a man, I have nothing but respect for him
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Ace, this is spot on. He really is a class act and I think it's obvious that other managers/coaches respect him. He never talks badly about other clubs or people and I think he always carries himself superbly. He is the time of man that youngsters can look up to. I don't think there are many managers like that in the league. You never see him "lose it" at the 4th official etc.
posted on 27/3/18
After a sticky start the club have generally coped very well with the Wembley thing. Nearly all the Spurs fans I know thought 6th was as good as we could expect from this season.
The media don't seem to have noticed how well we've done so far with minimal home advantage although that said they were plenty interested enough during the early (hoodoo) weeks.
posted on 27/3/18
Have you note been readin mainstream media all of a sudden people aren’t half making noise about our ‘home’ cup advantage. No mentions of how we struggled early doors.
posted on 27/3/18
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 2 hours, 23 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by United_kaz, “2-1 ,2-1, 2-1” spit guard at the ready (U9943)
posted 11 minutes ago
I really think spurs have to win something to shake off that tag they seem to carry round, even if you managed to beat juventus and then gt ko'd in the last 8 the same tag would have been thrown around, same as the fa cup semi last year, if you won that and lost to arsenal those same clichés would have started a month later, the Chelsea game yes it was a throwaway but still at that point pretty much out the title race, choking and bottling should be reserved to teams who are that 1 game away from actually winning something and then dont
only way to shake it completely is win something meaningful
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Problem is Spurs in the past five or six seasons have always come up against the best sides around in semi-finals, even finals. They either play Chelsea or Man United, they never seem to get a Hull, Reading or a Wigan to get to finals, like other clubs have in recent times. Sometimes you need a bit of luck, and whilst Spurs have had easy draws to get to the semi, when you get there, they perhaps could have done with the easiest draw of the lot, Southampton. Instead Chelsea, who have been to multiple finals in the past decade draw them.
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To be fair Sandy, bottom of the league Pompey knocked us out in the not too distant past.
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That was eight years ago, since then Spurs have had semi-finals against Chelsea, Man United, also their last three league cup finals were against Chelsea and Man United.
Compare that with Arsenal in the FA Cup 2013/14 Wigan and Hull in semi and final, and 2014/15 Reading and Villa in the semi and final. Spurs don`t get that sort of opponent when it really matters.
posted on 27/3/18
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 2 hours, 28 minutes ago
The trick is, sandy, to knock the big teams out in earlier rounds like Arsenal did in 2014 and 2015
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You knocked out just one decent side in season 2014/15, your fixtrures, were Hull, Brighton, Middlesbro, Man United, Reading and Villa. Spurs will have to play at least two of the biggies this season, and have only been drawn at home once this season, and that is not their real home.
posted on 27/3/18
Compare that with Arsenal in the FA Cup 2013/14 Wigan and Hull in semi and final, and 2014/15 Reading and Villa in the semi and final.
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Arsenal beat Spurs, Liverpool, Everton and Manchester United to get to the semi-finals in those years. We just ran out of top teams to beat...
We also, of course, beat Man City and Chelsea last season in the semi-final and final.
Spurs don't get "that sort of opponent when it really matters" because you cannot beat the top teams when you draw them in early rounds...
posted on 27/3/18
Out of the "big teams" I think I am right in saying Spurs have only faced Arsenal and Chelsea (x2) in the last 8 years. Lost all 3.
You can't lose to teams like Crystal Palace, Leeds United and Fulham then bemoan not getting "favourable" cup semi finals
posted on 27/3/18
Our GD isn't quite as good - not helped by a few more goals conceded and fewer goals scored
_______
...what else would affect goal difference?
posted on 27/3/18
comment by HaaK (U11574)
posted 38 minutes ago
Our GD isn't quite as good - not helped by a few more goals conceded and fewer goals scored
_______
...what else would affect goal difference?
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Very true. I hang my head in shame!
posted on 27/3/18
comment by lanespurs3 (U11398)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by HaaK (U11574)
posted 38 minutes ago
Our GD isn't quite as good - not helped by a few more goals conceded and fewer goals scored
_______
...what else would affect goal difference?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Very true. I hang my head in shame!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Our goal difference now is similar to that at this stage last season.
From about April onwards we beat both Watford and Bournemouth 4-0, then hammered Leicester and Watford 6-1 and 7-1 respectively which contributed a decent chunk of our goal difference in the end.
posted on 28/3/18
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 13 hours, 46 minutes ago
Out of the "big teams" I think I am right in saying Spurs have only faced Arsenal and Chelsea (x2) in the last 8 years. Lost all 3.
You can't lose to teams like Crystal Palace, Leeds United and Fulham then bemoan not getting "favourable" cup semi finals
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or Nottm Forest
posted on 28/3/18
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 13 hours, 46 minutes ago
Out of the "big teams" I think I am right in saying Spurs have only faced Arsenal and Chelsea (x2) in the last 8 years. Lost all 3.
You can't lose to teams like Crystal Palace, Leeds United and Fulham then bemoan not getting "favourable" cup semi finals
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or Nottm Forest
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Yes, but Arsenal fans aren't crying about having to face Manchester City and then Chelsea in last seasons semi and final....
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