https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/04/26/claude-puel-fighting-save-job-leicester-city-club-plans-big/

Also Nev - I seem to remember you telling us all how wrong we were that Puel would be getting sacked and he would be given a war chest to spend this summer

Doesn’t look that way right now

The Burnley way is to keep the same manager since 2012,i also notice he is releasing senior players who have served their time and need replacing.

As for Puel have i missed something has he been sacked? No its another article is tomorows chip wrappers.

comment by Nevsaysagoal2city (U5194)
posted 1 minute ago
The Burnley way is to keep the same manager since 2012,i also notice he is releasing senior players who have served their time and need replacing.

As for Puel have i missed something has he been sacked? No its another article is tomorows chip wrappers.


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John Percy is a very good source Nev. If he’s reporting Puel is under serious pressure then it’s because his sources within the club are telling him exactly that

The owners wanted Europe this season. They will be lucky to get 10th. He’s in trouble no doubt about it

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comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 6 minutes ago
Seeing as Leicester won promotion, won the PL and made the CL QF using the Leicester way, if I was Leicester I'd be looking closer to home for inspiration.
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But this is precisely what I mean Ace. The owners have abandoned the very thing that made them successful in the pursuit of a continental dream.....

We don’t have the same head of recruitment as the old Leicester way, the managers and coaches have gone. What we now have is confusion. What style of play are we going for? Do we have the players to play that way? Are we signing players to fit that ethos

That’s where Burnley have the advantage and are developing a sustainable PL club

I would now say that Dyche would view Burnley as a better proposition than Leicester. If we went for him now we wouldn’t get him. That’s bonkers considering where we were 2 years ago as a club and the opportunity we had to capitalise on that title win.

Which we haven’t in any way.....

comment by Black Starr (U12353)
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comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 6 minutes ago
Seeing as Leicester won promotion, won the PL and made the CL QF using the Leicester way, if I was Leicester I'd be looking closer to home for inspiration.
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But this is precisely what I mean Ace. The owners have abandoned the very thing that made them successful in the pursuit of a continental dream.....

We don’t have the same head of recruitment as the old Leicester way, the managers and coaches have gone. What we now have is confusion. What style of play are we going for? Do we have the players to play that way? Are we signing players to fit that ethos

That’s where Burnley have the advantage and are developing a sustainable PL club
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You should have kept Ranieri. He did the impossible and then one less than great season and he's out.

comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Black Starr (U12353)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 6 minutes ago
Seeing as Leicester won promotion, won the PL and made the CL QF using the Leicester way, if I was Leicester I'd be looking closer to home for inspiration.
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But this is precisely what I mean Ace. The owners have abandoned the very thing that made them successful in the pursuit of a continental dream.....

We don’t have the same head of recruitment as the old Leicester way, the managers and coaches have gone. What we now have is confusion. What style of play are we going for? Do we have the players to play that way? Are we signing players to fit that ethos

That’s where Burnley have the advantage and are developing a sustainable PL club
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You should have kept Ranieri. He did the impossible and then one less than great season and he's out.
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They were heading for relegation, it was clear he'd lost the dressing room for whatever reason.

We couldn’t have kept Ranieri. People wrong attribute our title winning season just to him. He was part of a team that delivered that title (a big part) which included Walsh, Shakey and Pearson. Steve Walsh was the biggest element for me

But anyway getting back to the main point of the article - are Burnley a better run club from a footballing perspective? I would be interested in Dunge and Merseys comments?

Are you confident that if we sacked Puel that we know where we are headed and who to bring in? Do we have an identity?!

Over a reasonable period, as mentioned above, Leicester have been significantly more successful than Burnley on the whole from a football perspective. We would need two or three more seasons to judge whether that has changed.

Puel’s comments worrying me again. Apparently has ‘saved’ our club and asking us to concentrate on the ‘journey’ over the past 6 months - all he is doing is how little we have improved and actually regressed in some areas. I think he is best to keep quiet and stick to focusing on next season.

In terms of Leicester’s mantra or ethos, I agree we should have built on what we already had instead of replacement - Athletico Madrid should have been a club we looked at as our tital winning season was a one off/lesser version of what they had built - they themselves, are perhaps coming to the end of an era in terms of some players but I doubt they will abandon their successful plan/ethos

*all he is doing is highlighting *

I think your confusing his statements he said he was brought in to safe the club a bit like the first half was perfect what was the context was that all he said? All it does is to suit the narative of those who want him out. As For Walshy look at the signing we made as he left they where his and they are rubbish and he's not having a good run at Everton.

As for winning the league great as it was it was not in the plan and way ahead of any development the club was looking to. The knock on effect of entitlement to be a top six club is more of an issue.

Are Burnley a better run club? It's hard to say they're anything other than one of the best run clubs in the league right now. They are punching above their financial weight and have an awful lot of good feeling about them. It's a lot easier to be a well-run club when you have a good manager who's been there for some time and seemingly improves every season. Although they also deserve credit for seeing the value in him when they got relegated during our great escape season and kept him on. Credit to them in general, and I'm sure their fans will enjoy their upcoming European tour.

All that doesn't necessarily mean we're a badly run club however. There are plenty of good things that our owners are doing - looking to expand the stadium, building new training facilities, upgrading the academy. These are very positive things. The question is more relating to the playing side: hiring managers, good scouting, etc. But even then I'm not sure there's a way of doing it which can guarantee success. And they had great success in hiring Pearson + team and then Ranieri so they have got some things right. I think sometimes you need some luck for your well-planned choices to come off, and I'm not sure there's evidence that our owners are doing an awful lot wrong. Maybe there's some naivety there still, but the positives massively outweigh the negatives.

I just can’t agree with that Dunge. I have to separate the financial and investment side because the owners have been brilliant for us.

The footballing side in terms of managerial appointments, having an ethos or philosophy as a club and building a sustainable PL club - that’s all in question for me.

I’m really focusing on what has happened since the title win and it’s hard to see what the plan was. We have lurched from one manager to the next and are currently in the middle of the biggest identity crisis the club has faced for some time. We simply don’t know who we want to be. How we want to play.

Everything that made us successful seems to have been tossed away and replacement by indifferent scouting, huge sums of money being spent on average players and manager choices that don’t reflect any kind of consistency

All the owners/Rudkin have done is just change the sticking plaster to the problem with firing managers. It doesn’t give me confidence that they know from a footballing perspective how to achieve their ambition of a top 6 club

They must in my view, decide what they want to be, hire a long term managerial choice (or back puel) and start building for the future ON the pitch

No more inconsistent European signings (Silva, Musa, Slimani) - the template was laid by Pearson and Walsh.

What’s the financial state of Burnley these days? I have lost track of recent times but for many years they were a club surviving by having to sell and with Turf Moor only a quarter full at average (around 12,000 in a ground that held 52,000). The television cameras were hardly ever at the ground so publicity was scant but they produced excellent players (and journeymen) they needed to part company with in order to keep themselves going.

Yes, of course there’s sponsorship and high ticket sales to support them these days but I’m going back a few years. Have they really moved on since then given the area has always been steeped in something of a depressed state?

BS - I think what you're describing is what the club are trying to do. They hired Puel with the premise of it being a long-term appointment that could develop the team into one that plays attractive, passing football. Unfortunately it looks like we're on the verge of being developed into a team that plays boring, passing football. Best intentions, good plan overall, but is Puel good enough for what they want?

Nev, he said his first job was to come in and save the club and he did it, no confusion here.

To suggest our club needed ‘saving’ is dramatic and to suggest Puel has ‘saved’ us is more so.

‘“When I got here in October it was just six months ago, a few months.

“It was important firstly to save the club.... we saved the club”’

how dramatic was being in the bottom three or was that just normal?

We weren’t in the bottom 3 when he came in

Just to prevent a rant about agendas, Pearson, etc etc, I don’t think Shakespeare had what it took but the fixture list and results we had was a little unlucky and neither do I want us to sack Puel. Not everyone who makes a point or shares a concern has to fall into diverse/polar opposite camp. I think Puel’s ethos has potential and he deserves to bring in resources to make this plan happen, but it doesn’t mean as a paying fan I have to obliviously and passively agree with everything he is saying or opinions he has on our progress so far under his reign