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comment by whodunnit (U22710)
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comment by Disband the PGMOL (U1282)
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Wat has Bucky done to deserve the shield? Falcon is more deserving by far?
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was far more in line with Rogers, was closer to him, understood him more, would have seemed like a far more natural transition imo.
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That's just nonsense IMO. Bucky can be controlled by the enemy, already has a vibranium arm and still seems to doubt the Cap school of thought. The Falcon series totally rules him out. He has his own story whereas Falcon is a student of Cap from the start and naturally flows with Cap philosophy.

Also why is it OK to change this canon. If they give Bucky the shield them let's see a black Superman, no?
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they already changed the canon so you cant have it both ways. I dont care about canon , i prefer what feels right and makes more sense.

And given that Bucky is literally rogers lifelong best friend and Rogers was willing to give up on captain america just to save Bucky says to me that he would ahve been far better fit than falcon.

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comment by Disband the PGMOL (U1282)
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comment by Superb (U6486)
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Why does Falcon deserve to be the new Cap in the MCU ? Forget the comics for the moment as they're the comics and lots of different things happen in comics
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Your boy Magnus thinks the shield should have gone to Bucky when that would be reverse woke as fack. What has Bucky done to deserve the shield? Who deserve it more than Falcon? He was arguably Cap's most loyal, he takes the philosophy of Cap as his own and is willing to fave insurmountable odds to stay true to that?

But we can't have a Captain America that's not white, right? Vicky makes more sense because he's white according to your boy Magnus.
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I actually think it goijng to Bucky would have been a far better fit and feeling.

In the comics Falcon and Rogers were very different and had different ideologies, and falcon very much wanted to do the captain america thing his own way. Not this one however he just feels like he is babysitting rogers sheild.
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Exactly. Bucky went through hell and was mind controlled. He's done loads throughout the various movies to prove he's worthy. And unlike Falcon he's actually been an A list character.
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He would have also honoured Rogers more given that he is literally his oldest friend and was pretty much Rogers number one priority for half of the films. Rogers pretty much went rogue to save Bucky, he was already wiling to give up being Captain to save him, it just makes more sense. In the films bucky and rogers relationship was miles stronger than rogers and falcon.
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Bucky has been a cold blooded killer that cannot uphold the principles of Cap. He is more impulsive and less in control of his temperament and behaviour. He is conflicted and easily frustrated.

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
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comment by Superb (U6486)
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comment by whodunnit (U22710)
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comment by Disband the PGMOL (U1282)
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comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 23 seconds ago

Why does Falcon deserve to be the new Cap in the MCU ? Forget the comics for the moment as they're the comics and lots of different things happen in comics
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Your boy Magnus thinks the shield should have gone to Bucky when that would be reverse woke as fack. What has Bucky done to deserve the shield? Who deserve it more than Falcon? He was arguably Cap's most loyal, he takes the philosophy of Cap as his own and is willing to fave insurmountable odds to stay true to that?

But we can't have a Captain America that's not white, right? Vicky makes more sense because he's white according to your boy Magnus.
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I actually think it goijng to Bucky would have been a far better fit and feeling.

In the comics Falcon and Rogers were very different and had different ideologies, and falcon very much wanted to do the captain america thing his own way. Not this one however he just feels like he is babysitting rogers sheild.
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Exactly. Bucky went through hell and was mind controlled. He's done loads throughout the various movies to prove he's worthy. And unlike Falcon he's actually been an A list character.
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He would have also honoured Rogers more given that he is literally his oldest friend and was pretty much Rogers number one priority for half of the films. Rogers pretty much went rogue to save Bucky, he was already wiling to give up being Captain to save him, it just makes more sense. In the films bucky and rogers relationship was miles stronger than rogers and falcon.
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This just speaks to Cap's character...says nothing about Bucky's suitability to being a poster child for the American military or defence system

comment by Disband the PGMOL (U1282)
posted 13 minutes ago
Wat has Bucky done to deserve the shield? Falcon is more deserving by far?
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Be stronk enuf to wild shild

Wrong account 4za

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
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comment by Disband the PGMOL (U1282)
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comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by Disband the PGMOL (U1282)
posted 2 minutes ago
Wat has Bucky done to deserve the shield? Falcon is more deserving by far?
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was far more in line with Rogers, was closer to him, understood him more, would have seemed like a far more natural transition imo.
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That's just nonsense IMO. Bucky can be controlled by the enemy, already has a vibranium arm and still seems to doubt the Cap school of thought. The Falcon series totally rules him out. He has his own story whereas Falcon is a student of Cap from the start and naturally flows with Cap philosophy.

Also why is it OK to change this canon. If they give Bucky the shield them let's see a black Superman, no?
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they already changed the canon so you cant have it both ways. I dont care about canon , i prefer what feels right and makes more sense.

And given that Bucky is literally rogers lifelong best friend and Rogers was willing to give up on captain america just to save Bucky says to me that he would ahve been far better fit than falcon.
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Doesn't mean he should be Cap. In fact, this is exactly why he can't be cap.

Falcon is still the one who stands for the same things as cap.

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comment by whodunnit (U22710)
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comment by whodunnit (U22710)
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comment by Disband the PGMOL (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 23 seconds ago

Why does Falcon deserve to be the new Cap in the MCU ? Forget the comics for the moment as they're the comics and lots of different things happen in comics
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Your boy Magnus thinks the shield should have gone to Bucky when that would be reverse woke as fack. What has Bucky done to deserve the shield? Who deserve it more than Falcon? He was arguably Cap's most loyal, he takes the philosophy of Cap as his own and is willing to fave insurmountable odds to stay true to that?

But we can't have a Captain America that's not white, right? Vicky makes more sense because he's white according to your boy Magnus.
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I actually think it goijng to Bucky would have been a far better fit and feeling.

In the comics Falcon and Rogers were very different and had different ideologies, and falcon very much wanted to do the captain america thing his own way. Not this one however he just feels like he is babysitting rogers sheild.
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Exactly. Bucky went through hell and was mind controlled. He's done loads throughout the various movies to prove he's worthy. And unlike Falcon he's actually been an A list character.
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He would have also honoured Rogers more given that he is literally his oldest friend and was pretty much Rogers number one priority for half of the films. Rogers pretty much went rogue to save Bucky, he was already wiling to give up being Captain to save him, it just makes more sense. In the films bucky and rogers relationship was miles stronger than rogers and falcon.
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This just speaks to Cap's character...says nothing about Bucky's suitability to being a poster child for the American military or defence system
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IMO it would have fitted better, plus he would also be better suited to wielding the shield with him being physically stronger than falcon and also has the arm to be able to wield the shield the same way rogers could.

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comment by Disband the PGMOL (U1282)
posted 13 minutes ago
Wat has Bucky done to deserve the shield? Falcon is more deserving by far?
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Be stronk enuf to wild shild
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He can't even wield his vibranium arm very well.

comment by Disband the PGMOL (U1282)
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comment by whodunnit (U22710)
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comment by Disband the PGMOL (U1282)
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comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by Disband the PGMOL (U1282)
posted 2 minutes ago
Wat has Bucky done to deserve the shield? Falcon is more deserving by far?
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was far more in line with Rogers, was closer to him, understood him more, would have seemed like a far more natural transition imo.
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That's just nonsense IMO. Bucky can be controlled by the enemy, already has a vibranium arm and still seems to doubt the Cap school of thought. The Falcon series totally rules him out. He has his own story whereas Falcon is a student of Cap from the start and naturally flows with Cap philosophy.

Also why is it OK to change this canon. If they give Bucky the shield them let's see a black Superman, no?
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they already changed the canon so you cant have it both ways. I dont care about canon , i prefer what feels right and makes more sense.

And given that Bucky is literally rogers lifelong best friend and Rogers was willing to give up on captain america just to save Bucky says to me that he would ahve been far better fit than falcon.
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Doesn't mean he should be Cap. In fact, this is exactly why he can't be cap.

Falcon is still the one who stands for the same things as cap.
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first of all i never said he should be cap I said he wopuld ahve been a better fit than falcon. Personally I think only rogers should be cap.

You keep harking back to canon when it suits you. if you wanna go by canon then he should have very different values to rogers and put those values into place once he became him.

Plus in canon he wasnt asked to become captain america, he took that role of his own back im sure?

Rogers already showed he was willing to give up being cap to save Bucky it would make far more sense for Bucky to honour that and take up the mantle much more.

first of all i never said he should be cap I said he wopuld ahve been a better fit than falcon. Personally I think only rogers should be cap.
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Fact is it's not just Rogers that's Cap. It's cannon. You want them to change cannon but when they change it in other scenario you call it woke and forced.

Is a little consistency too much to ask for? Because it reaches a point where it starts to look like race is the problem, not the character.

Bucky is stronger, faster etc...I don't think anybody is debating that.

But if you're speaking about Steve Rogers Captain America as a pawn and soldier then yes Bucky would be the more natural choice but if you're talking about Steve Rogers and what he stood for with his morals & values...then Bucky still has a long way to go

Simple question does anyone see Bucky being worthy to wield Mjolnir? Is he ever gonna be pure of heart?

comment by Disband the PGMOL (U1282)
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comment by whodunnit (U22710)
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comment by Superb (U6486)
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comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Disband the PGMOL (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 23 seconds ago

Why does Falcon deserve to be the new Cap in the MCU ? Forget the comics for the moment as they're the comics and lots of different things happen in comics
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Your boy Magnus thinks the shield should have gone to Bucky when that would be reverse woke as fack. What has Bucky done to deserve the shield? Who deserve it more than Falcon? He was arguably Cap's most loyal, he takes the philosophy of Cap as his own and is willing to fave insurmountable odds to stay true to that?

But we can't have a Captain America that's not white, right? Vicky makes more sense because he's white according to your boy Magnus.
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I actually think it goijng to Bucky would have been a far better fit and feeling.

In the comics Falcon and Rogers were very different and had different ideologies, and falcon very much wanted to do the captain america thing his own way. Not this one however he just feels like he is babysitting rogers sheild.
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Exactly. Bucky went through hell and was mind controlled. He's done loads throughout the various movies to prove he's worthy. And unlike Falcon he's actually been an A list character.
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He would have also honoured Rogers more given that he is literally his oldest friend and was pretty much Rogers number one priority for half of the films. Rogers pretty much went rogue to save Bucky, he was already wiling to give up being Captain to save him, it just makes more sense. In the films bucky and rogers relationship was miles stronger than rogers and falcon.
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Bucky has been a cold blooded killer that cannot uphold the principles of Cap. He is more impulsive and less in control of his temperament and behaviour. He is conflicted and easily frustrated.
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Because he was mind controlled. Steve Rogers would have been a cold blooded killer as well under mind control. That's the whole point, both Bucky and Steve share a very similar path and principles, that's why they're lifelong best friends. Steve could just as easily have been the Winter Soldier if he'd been taken instead of Bucky.

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 5 minutes ago
Rogers already showed he was willing to give up being cap to save Bucky it would make far more sense for Bucky to honour that and take up the mantle much more.
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Where was Falcon all this time? Following Caps philosophy. Cap didn't have to save Falcon.

Would be strange and nonsensical if Bucky suddenly became Cap and stood for the same things. That plot wouldn't make sense and would look amateurish and forced. He is the mirror cap holds up to himself as we saw in the TV series. He plays the same role for Falcon as he did for original Cap.

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Bucky is stronger, faster etc...I don't think anybody is debating that.

But if you're speaking about Steve Rogers Captain America as a pawn and soldier then yes Bucky would be the more natural choice but if you're talking about Steve Rogers and what he stood for with his morals & values...then Bucky still has a long way to go

Simple question does anyone see Bucky being worthy to wield Mjolnir? Is he ever gonna be pure of heart?
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I think that's unfair on Bucky. It wasn't his choice to fall down and icy ravine with his body mangled, get operated on by some hydra psychos and then turn into a mind controlled assassin...
The actual Bucky before all that was a very honourable, loved person.

comment by Disband the PGMOL (U1282)
posted 28 seconds ago
first of all i never said he should be cap I said he wopuld ahve been a better fit than falcon. Personally I think only rogers should be cap.
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Fact is it's not just Rogers that's Cap. It's cannon. You want them to change cannon but when they change it in other scenario you call it woke and forced.

Is a little consistency too much to ask for? Because it reaches a point where it starts to look like race is the problem, not the character.
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to me rogers is cap. LIke I said I dont care about canon. And it seems like you like to pick and choose when you care about canon?

Id say Bucky is one of the purest of them all ... the killing he done was not him he was being controlled. if the same things had happened to falcon he would have carried out the same things that Bucky did.

IMO bucky was closer to steve, was far more similar to him, Steve was also closer to him and was willing to give up everything for Buckie.

But like I said you cant say falcon is better pick as his values are more in line when in canon Marvel Falcon had pretty different values to rogers and was one of the main reasons he appointed himself captain america. Like I said you keep flip flopping about it being canon.

comment by Pun #Pogues4Life (U21588)
posted 15 minutes ago
Wrong account 4za
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FFS it gets hard to juggle between dozens of accounts e.g. Barry, 4za, rob, vengeance, vidicchin, rdd and this one. It's almost a full time job

To summarize, whereas it will be denied, IMO, the only issue here is that Falcon is black and a black guy being Captain America doesn't sit well with a lot of the comic book demographic.

LIke I said I dont care about canon.
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Well see about that when they replace Iron Man with a black bint.

comment by Disband the PGMOL (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
LIke I said I dont care about canon.
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Well see about that when they replace Iron Man with a black bint.
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If I dont like that it wont be because its not canon it will be whether it seems right to me or not.

Imagine black panther became white. Just imagine the uproar. I honestly think all out riots would happen across the planet and it would be the end of existence as we know it

comment by Disband the PGMOL (U1282)
posted 2 minutes ago
To summarize, whereas it will be denied, IMO, the only issue here is that Falcon is black and a black guy being Captain America doesn't sit well with a lot of the comic book demographic.
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your just making that $hit up now cos I think you realise your losing the argument here.

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Disband the PGMOL (U1282)
posted 2 minutes ago
To summarize, whereas it will be denied, IMO, the only issue here is that Falcon is black and a black guy being Captain America doesn't sit well with a lot of the comic book demographic.
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your just making that $hit up now cos I think you realise your losing the argument here.
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These days people make the most absurd claims. You're literally deluded. I the only one providing reasoned posts and common sense here is me.

comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 (U1192)
posted 3 minutes ago
Imagine black panther became white. Just imagine the uproar. I honestly think all out riots would happen across the planet and it would be the end of existence as we know it
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Yeah, but if they gave the shield to Bucky instead of Falcon then that would be fine.

You couldn't make it up. Sometimes it's so blatant.

comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 (U1192)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Michael Edwards FC 2.0 loading…{Proud o... (U2720)
posted 2 minutes ago
Bucky is stronger, faster etc...I don't think anybody is debating that.

But if you're speaking about Steve Rogers Captain America as a pawn and soldier then yes Bucky would be the more natural choice but if you're talking about Steve Rogers and what he stood for with his morals & values...then Bucky still has a long way to go

Simple question does anyone see Bucky being worthy to wield Mjolnir? Is he ever gonna be pure of heart?
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I think that's unfair on Bucky. It wasn't his choice to fall down and icy ravine with his body mangled, get operated on by some hydra psychos and then turn into a mind controlled assassin...
The actual Bucky before all that was a very honourable, loved person.
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Yeah your choice for Captain America has had to be saved by Steve Rogers for 3 movies straight despite him being a super soldier himself for 2 of them.