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Whateveros
took the same for Trippiers free kick to be taken first half ,and the penalty 3 and a half minute delay for each
when does that ever happen
Does anyone actually take that little fat knacker seriously?
Still bitter that we took the Falklands back from his countries tin pot army.
There has been a mmlot.of.play acting during the tournament.
Glenn Hoddle praised England players on a couple of occasions for winning fouls during commentary
Has anyone checked to see if Henderson survived that assault last night? He might be dead
Was the crackhead moaning about "theft" back in 86?
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It’s brilliant though. How often have we moaned about the opposition being smarter than us while they go through and we get the plane home?
Funny how we don't see any condemning of the head to chin butt to Henderson during that free kick moment from Falcao or Maradona.
I wouldn't have had an issue had Maguire been booked for that simulation trip, but i am proud of the fact that he owned up and admitted it wasn't a foul to the ref.
Never once seen any Columbian players do that, instead they tried to instigate a lot of heat in the game.
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 1 hour, 56 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 25 seconds ago
Whilst Colombia were up to all the old tricks last night, I don`t think us English can really moan about it. We see this sort of behaviour in the Prem every week at every game, English players and foreign players alike, all trying to con the ref.
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I have Never seen a less sporting team than them. Prem teams do not remotely compare. they didnt want a game of football.
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Well you obviously have not watched much football over here then. Simulation, diving, elbowing, face to face square ups, shouting at and surrounding the refs are all seen in pretty well every game in the Prem. Not sure what planet you have been on.
what facking games did they watch i seem to remember Columbias players swinging heads and digging up penalty spots and surrounding the ref on every incident and their coach trying to rough up Sterling Columbia were a disgrace.
Columbia isn't that a town in the USA ,erm>
poor fackers are getting an awful lot of stick on this forum for some reason
comment by somethingelse (U3109)
posted 1 hour, 48 minutes ago
took the same for Trippiers free kick to be taken first half ,and the penalty 3 and a half minute delay for each
when does that ever happen
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they were busy digging up the pitch
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comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 1 hour, 56 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 25 seconds ago
Whilst Colombia were up to all the old tricks last night, I don`t think us English can really moan about it. We see this sort of behaviour in the Prem every week at every game, English players and foreign players alike, all trying to con the ref.
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I have Never seen a less sporting team than them. Prem teams do not remotely compare. they didnt want a game of football.
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Well you obviously have not watched much football over here then. Simulation, diving, elbowing, face to face square ups, shouting at and surrounding the refs are all seen in pretty well every game in the Prem. Not sure what planet you have been on.
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It’s nowhere near as bad as Colombia yesterday.
To be fair to the pair of them, in those quotes in the OP their complaints aren't about England's gamesmanship, but about the ref's double standards.
Fwiw, I do think England got the rub of the green most of the time, but I don't really think he really influenced the result.
They aren't half as biased as the english commentators were...
Basically applauding Maguire for diving at one point.
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He's right about the ref not being up to the job.
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 2 hours, 5 minutes ago
To be fair to the pair of them, in those quotes in the OP their complaints aren't about England's gamesmanship, but about the ref's double standards.
Fwiw, I do think England got the rub of the green most of the time, but I don't really think he really influenced the result.
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England might have gotten the rub of the green slightly, but what do teams expect when they hound the referee all game, commit stupid fouls, delay set plays and contest decisions that have actually gone in their favour (like the red card that should have been?).
I thought Colombia could easily have had a couple of reds (the butt definitely, and then repeated fouling + dissent from several players).
In fact, had it not been for all the hounding of the ref, they wouldn't have incurred as much extra time as they did and might not have had time to score their goal.
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comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 47 minutes ago
England might have gotten the rub of the green slightly, but what do teams expect when they hound the referee all game, commit stupid fouls, delay set plays and contest decisions that have actually gone in their favour (like the red card that should have been?).
I thought Colombia could easily have had a couple of reds (the butt definitely, and then repeated fouling + dissent from several players).
In fact, had it not been for all the hounding of the ref, they wouldn't have incurred as much extra time as they did and might not have had time to score their goal.
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Hi Berba. Some counterarguments, just to try to provide you with a non-England perspective.
Colombia had a player booked per 3.8 fouls; England saw one booking per 6.5 fouls. I can't remember each one of those fouls, but the above stat doesn't seem to suggest they got away with that much more.
As for the red card for the (imho extremely soft) head butt, there've been plenty of instances of flying elbows, stamps, last-man tackles and other misdemeanours in this World Cup to be able to tell that refs have been instructed to keep sending-offs to a minimum. Viewed in isolation and following the rules as we generally see them applied in Europe, yes, that would quite probably have been a red, but taking context into account and going on what's been seen at this tournament, it would have been asking more favourable treatment for England than for the other competitors.
On the surrounding and harrassing the ref, we were talking about this on another thread a couple of days ago. It's been going on throughout this World Cup. It goes on game after game in leagues across the globe, and, once again, it's clear that refs have been tolerating it in Russia. Do you think it's reasonable to expect opponents be treated differently when theyface England? It would be totally unreasonable to expect everyone else to adapt to England's or Northern Europe's refereeing standards.
Finally, the time at which Colombia scored is neither here nor there really, since added time is to make up for time the ball should've been in play or wasn't. Just for your peace of mind though, Pickford pushed the ball behind for the corner on 91'59. Mina then headed the ball at 92'31 precisely. There'd been five subs, so that's already 2'30 added time.
Unless you're telling me England didn't waste a single second when clinging on to their slimmest of leads in the dying minutes and that you'd have expected the ref to do a Clive Thomas (check Brazil-Sweden 1978 for further reference), then that one doesnt really have a leg left to stand on.
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posted on 4/7/18
comment by blueinbarca (U3426)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 12 minutes ago
Souros Grapos
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¡Uvas agrias en español coño!
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Whateveros
posted on 4/7/18
took the same for Trippiers free kick to be taken first half ,and the penalty 3 and a half minute delay for each
when does that ever happen
posted on 4/7/18
Peaks. Tbf they didn't
posted on 4/7/18
*Peks
posted on 4/7/18
Does anyone actually take that little fat knacker seriously?
Still bitter that we took the Falklands back from his countries tin pot army.
posted on 4/7/18
There has been a mmlot.of.play acting during the tournament.
Glenn Hoddle praised England players on a couple of occasions for winning fouls during commentary
posted on 4/7/18
Has anyone checked to see if Henderson survived that assault last night? He might be dead
posted on 4/7/18
Was the crackhead moaning about "theft" back in 86?
posted on 4/7/18
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posted on 4/7/18
It’s brilliant though. How often have we moaned about the opposition being smarter than us while they go through and we get the plane home?
posted on 4/7/18
Funny how we don't see any condemning of the head to chin butt to Henderson during that free kick moment from Falcao or Maradona.
I wouldn't have had an issue had Maguire been booked for that simulation trip, but i am proud of the fact that he owned up and admitted it wasn't a foul to the ref.
Never once seen any Columbian players do that, instead they tried to instigate a lot of heat in the game.
posted on 4/7/18
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 1 hour, 56 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 25 seconds ago
Whilst Colombia were up to all the old tricks last night, I don`t think us English can really moan about it. We see this sort of behaviour in the Prem every week at every game, English players and foreign players alike, all trying to con the ref.
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I have Never seen a less sporting team than them. Prem teams do not remotely compare. they didnt want a game of football.
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Well you obviously have not watched much football over here then. Simulation, diving, elbowing, face to face square ups, shouting at and surrounding the refs are all seen in pretty well every game in the Prem. Not sure what planet you have been on.
posted on 4/7/18
what facking games did they watch i seem to remember Columbias players swinging heads and digging up penalty spots and surrounding the ref on every incident and their coach trying to rough up Sterling Columbia were a disgrace.
posted on 4/7/18
Columbia isn't that a town in the USA ,erm>
poor fackers are getting an awful lot of stick on this forum for some reason
posted on 4/7/18
comment by somethingelse (U3109)
posted 1 hour, 48 minutes ago
took the same for Trippiers free kick to be taken first half ,and the penalty 3 and a half minute delay for each
when does that ever happen
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they were busy digging up the pitch
posted on 4/7/18
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posted on 4/7/18
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 1 hour, 56 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 25 seconds ago
Whilst Colombia were up to all the old tricks last night, I don`t think us English can really moan about it. We see this sort of behaviour in the Prem every week at every game, English players and foreign players alike, all trying to con the ref.
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I have Never seen a less sporting team than them. Prem teams do not remotely compare. they didnt want a game of football.
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Well you obviously have not watched much football over here then. Simulation, diving, elbowing, face to face square ups, shouting at and surrounding the refs are all seen in pretty well every game in the Prem. Not sure what planet you have been on.
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It’s nowhere near as bad as Colombia yesterday.
posted on 4/7/18
To be fair to the pair of them, in those quotes in the OP their complaints aren't about England's gamesmanship, but about the ref's double standards.
Fwiw, I do think England got the rub of the green most of the time, but I don't really think he really influenced the result.
posted on 4/7/18
They aren't half as biased as the english commentators were...
Basically applauding Maguire for diving at one point.
posted on 4/7/18
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posted on 4/7/18
He's right about the ref not being up to the job.
posted on 4/7/18
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 2 hours, 5 minutes ago
To be fair to the pair of them, in those quotes in the OP their complaints aren't about England's gamesmanship, but about the ref's double standards.
Fwiw, I do think England got the rub of the green most of the time, but I don't really think he really influenced the result.
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England might have gotten the rub of the green slightly, but what do teams expect when they hound the referee all game, commit stupid fouls, delay set plays and contest decisions that have actually gone in their favour (like the red card that should have been?).
I thought Colombia could easily have had a couple of reds (the butt definitely, and then repeated fouling + dissent from several players).
In fact, had it not been for all the hounding of the ref, they wouldn't have incurred as much extra time as they did and might not have had time to score their goal.
posted on 4/7/18
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posted on 4/7/18
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comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 47 minutes ago
England might have gotten the rub of the green slightly, but what do teams expect when they hound the referee all game, commit stupid fouls, delay set plays and contest decisions that have actually gone in their favour (like the red card that should have been?).
I thought Colombia could easily have had a couple of reds (the butt definitely, and then repeated fouling + dissent from several players).
In fact, had it not been for all the hounding of the ref, they wouldn't have incurred as much extra time as they did and might not have had time to score their goal.
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Hi Berba. Some counterarguments, just to try to provide you with a non-England perspective.
Colombia had a player booked per 3.8 fouls; England saw one booking per 6.5 fouls. I can't remember each one of those fouls, but the above stat doesn't seem to suggest they got away with that much more.
As for the red card for the (imho extremely soft) head butt, there've been plenty of instances of flying elbows, stamps, last-man tackles and other misdemeanours in this World Cup to be able to tell that refs have been instructed to keep sending-offs to a minimum. Viewed in isolation and following the rules as we generally see them applied in Europe, yes, that would quite probably have been a red, but taking context into account and going on what's been seen at this tournament, it would have been asking more favourable treatment for England than for the other competitors.
On the surrounding and harrassing the ref, we were talking about this on another thread a couple of days ago. It's been going on throughout this World Cup. It goes on game after game in leagues across the globe, and, once again, it's clear that refs have been tolerating it in Russia. Do you think it's reasonable to expect opponents be treated differently when theyface England? It would be totally unreasonable to expect everyone else to adapt to England's or Northern Europe's refereeing standards.
Finally, the time at which Colombia scored is neither here nor there really, since added time is to make up for time the ball should've been in play or wasn't. Just for your peace of mind though, Pickford pushed the ball behind for the corner on 91'59. Mina then headed the ball at 92'31 precisely. There'd been five subs, so that's already 2'30 added time.
Unless you're telling me England didn't waste a single second when clinging on to their slimmest of leads in the dying minutes and that you'd have expected the ref to do a Clive Thomas (check Brazil-Sweden 1978 for further reference), then that one doesnt really have a leg left to stand on.
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