The question in the OP is slightly flawed:
All parties have issues with a tiny percentage of their members expressing or holding views that are discriminatory or racist. Some parties might have larger numbers of them (the right side of the political spectrum, for example).
The real question is; is there a *crisis* of anti-semitism in Labour?
Crisis is a comparative term, meaning 'worse when compared to X'. X in this instance has to be one or both of; Previous Labour leaderships, or Other Parties.
We know there's no crisis as compared with Other Parties, including with antisemitism.
On past Labour leaderships... You can't do experiments in history, but we do know that antisemitic views in the UK have decreased in the last few years according to surveys. So you'd expect there to be less antisemitism across all parties generally.
The reason there appears to be a "heightened" level of anti-sem is simply:
a) along with a dutiful media, certain MPs and people with every desire to undermine Corbyn are claiming (mostly unfairly) to see and are seeking to find anti-sem at every corner. If they searched this hard in other parties, they'd almost certainly find vastly worse cases in both quantity and quality. Likewise if they searched this hard for examples under previous Labour leaderships.
b) As hinted above, most of the claims are a straight conflation of opposing Israel's actions w/anti-sem.
b) Media are more than happy to give airtime to Jewish groups that make these claims, but have been far less willing to give airtime to anti-zionist Jewish groups who support Corbyn.
We have to remember that we have a political spectrum dominated by Tories and Blairites, who aren't greatly different from one another on the very views to which Corbyn does indeed differ; regime change wars, arming & supporting human rights abusing client states, market deregulation, privatisation etc... That puts Corbyn in the firing line amongst his own PLP.
We also have a media that more or less reflects those political/economic positions, so again, Corbyn looks comparatively "radical", despite not actually being radical, which makes him the inevitable target for the worst kinds of attacks and smears.
Corbyn isn't the second coming of Cantona, but he does represent a rare opportunity to shove UK politics into a more progressive direction via one of the major parties. Don't fall for the nonsense, is my best advice.
In the minds of a lot of people, no he won’t (I personally wouldn’t ever vote for him, albeit for other reasons more). I think he has enough support generally that he could still win a GE though.
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 minutes ago
In the minds of a lot of people, no he won’t (I personally wouldn’t ever vote for him, albeit for other reasons more). I think he has enough support generally that he could still win a GE though.
===========
Stop being vague Melton... What are your reasons??
“b) Media are more than happy to give airtime to Jewish groups that make these claims, but have been far less willing to give airtime to anti-zionist Jewish groups who support Corbyn.”
Not the right type of Jews for the Daily Mail!
The anti-zionist orthodox Jews who march with Palestinians and pro-Palestinians never get any air time either.
Jeremy may not be anti-semitic in that he would probably not go around calling Jewish people Kikes but conflating Israels actions with National Socialist Germany he breaks the internationally recognised code, the example that Labours NEC has removed.
Jeremy is a 80s socialist, he wants to take us back to those failed policies and pretends that it is new and shinny, it ain't.
I respect Jeremy's views and he should be free to speak them, I just don't agree with anything he says.
The real problem with this Antisemitism/Islamaphobia debate is the snowflakes who want to shut down all debate, by censoring the language of discourse.
You do not have a right to not be offended.
Jeremeys oppnents both internal and external use his historical actions and utterances to attack him, fair game, but then, he is only Labour leader by default.
Lets not let him get to be PM by default either.
Surprised Kike got through but N_zi didn't, Admin 1 to add to the list
comment by GunaDave (U7710)
posted 5 minutes ago
Jeremy may not be anti-semitic in that he would probably not go around calling Jewish people Kikes but conflating Israels actions with National Socialist Germany he breaks the internationally recognised code, the example that Labours NEC has removed.
Jeremy is a 80s socialist, he wants to take us back to those failed policies and pretends that it is new and shinny, it ain't.
I respect Jeremy's views and he should be free to speak them, I just don't agree with anything he says.
The real problem with this Antisemitism/Islamaphobia debate is the snowflakes who want to shut down all debate, by censoring the language of discourse.
You do not have a right to not be offended.
Jeremeys oppnents both internal and external use his historical actions and utterances to attack him, fair game, but then, he is only Labour leader by default.
Lets not let him get to be PM by default either.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Did Corbyn compare Israel to Natzi Germany?
Also, how is comapring the policies of two states anti-semetic?
Genocide is part of Israel’s history not only have past Israeli leaders and founders admitted and called for the murder and displacement of Palestinians but current politicians also call for massacres.
I can show you the quotes if you like?
I can also show you the documented facts about Israel massacring entire villages and throwing families out of their houses along with their belongings like a scene out of Schindler’s list.
How about sterilising African females without their consent?
Building an Auschwitz style Ghetto (Gaza) where Palestinians can’t leave or enter. A wall surrounds them and a sea blockade is in place, a sea wall is now being built. Gaza is now the most densely populated area on planet Earth and it’s bombed into submission killing hundreds of children.
The comparisons are endless!
Anti-semitism used to mean, a hatred of Jews, now it just means a hatred of critics if Israel.
How many of you attend CLP meetings and actually know what goes on in them?
Sorry Berba, I’m in and out of meetings so just typing quickly rather than being vague! I’ve met and spoke with him a few times and part of it is just a personal opinion of him. Policy wise, i have a very different stance to him on Europe though (at least, I did. I’m not sure what his publicly is nowadays).
comment by I'll be The Judge of that! (U21434)
posted 4 hours, 17 minutes ago
The man is a pie in the sky lunatic and should be no where near parliament.
++
and Cameron, May, Gove, Johnson, Davis, Mogg etc... etc... etc...are not. They are all incompetent buffoons
You bloody fool.
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I never mentioned politicians other than Corbyn did I? That was you starting an argument with yourself.
You bloody fool.
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 43 seconds ago
Sorry Berba, I’m in and out of meetings so just typing quickly rather than being vague! I’ve met and spoke with him a few times and part of it is just a personal opinion of him. Policy wise, i have a very different stance to him on Europe though (at least, I did. I’m not sure what his publicly is nowadays).
==============
Wait, you're putting real life above Ja606? Admins... Anything we can do about this rogue, melton?
I recall you saying in the past you've met him and asked why he's not in the Green Party for example.
On Europe, I don't agree with Corbyn. He should be pushing for a vote once the terms of Brexit are laid out. That seems a no-brainer to me. I also think he needs to be substantially louder on our leading threat; anthropogenic climate change.
But some issues aside, tactically I can't come up with many reasons to not vote for him and I'm broadly in agreement with him of UK foreign policy issues - a major source of suffering globally.
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
The question in the OP is slightly flawed:
All parties have issues with a tiny percentage of their members expressing or holding views that are discriminatory or racist. Some parties might have larger numbers of them (the right side of the political spectrum, for example).
The real question is; is there a *crisis* of anti-semitism in Labour?
Crisis is a comparative term, meaning 'worse when compared to X'. X in this instance has to be one or both of; Previous Labour leaderships, or Other Parties.
We know there's no crisis as compared with Other Parties, including with antisemitism.
On past Labour leaderships... You can't do experiments in history, but we do know that antisemitic views in the UK have decreased in the last few years according to surveys. So you'd expect there to be less antisemitism across all parties generally.
The reason there appears to be a "heightened" level of anti-sem is simply:
a) along with a dutiful media, certain MPs and people with every desire to undermine Corbyn are claiming (mostly unfairly) to see and are seeking to find anti-sem at every corner. If they searched this hard in other parties, they'd almost certainly find vastly worse cases in both quantity and quality. Likewise if they searched this hard for examples under previous Labour leaderships.
b) As hinted above, most of the claims are a straight conflation of opposing Israel's actions w/anti-sem.
b) Media are more than happy to give airtime to Jewish groups that make these claims, but have been far less willing to give airtime to anti-zionist Jewish groups who support Corbyn.
We have to remember that we have a political spectrum dominated by Tories and Blairites, who aren't greatly different from one another on the very views to which Corbyn does indeed differ; regime change wars, arming & supporting human rights abusing client states, market deregulation, privatisation etc... That puts Corbyn in the firing line amongst his own PLP.
We also have a media that more or less reflects those political/economic positions, so again, Corbyn looks comparatively "radical", despite not actually being radical, which makes him the inevitable target for the worst kinds of attacks and smears.
Corbyn isn't the second coming of Cantona, but he does represent a rare opportunity to shove UK politics into a more progressive direction via one of the major parties. Don't fall for the nonsense, is my best advice.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is excellent by the way
I never mentioned politicians other than Corbyn did I? That was you starting an argument with yourself.
+++
You are actually a bloody fool for claiming that Corbyn is a lunatic and should not be allowed anywhere near Parliament. Do you work for the Sun?
If anything I'm starting an argument with you not myself.
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
Genocide is part of Israel’s history not only have past Israeli leaders and founders admitted and called for the murder and displacement of Palestinians but current politicians also call for massacres.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
I give you credit for sticking with your prophet's playbook.
Israel only target those who seek to do them harm. But this according to you is genocide.
Question: Do you think Israel will bomb Gaza if Hamas did not fire missile across the border into Israel?
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 43 seconds ago
Sorry Berba, I’m in and out of meetings so just typing quickly rather than being vague! I’ve met and spoke with him a few times and part of it is just a personal opinion of him. Policy wise, i have a very different stance to him on Europe though (at least, I did. I’m not sure what his publicly is nowadays).
==============
Wait, you're putting real life above Ja606? Admins... Anything we can do about this rogue, melton?
I recall you saying in the past you've met him and asked why he's not in the Green Party for example.
On Europe, I don't agree with Corbyn. He should be pushing for a vote once the terms of Brexit are laid out. That seems a no-brainer to me. I also think he needs to be substantially louder on our leading threat; anthropogenic climate change.
But some issues aside, tactically I can't come up with many reasons to not vote for him and I'm broadly in agreement with him of UK foreign policy issues - a major source of suffering globally.
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Yes, agree with both of your points there (Europe and foreign policy). I’m not keen on some of the economic policies either, I thought the Lib Dem manifesto was stronger and more aligned to what I wanted to see.
Yep I did say that about Corbyn. I asked him directly at the time! I still think that he misses being a backbencher. I disagreed with him more but preferred him when he was doing that than I do now.
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
Genocide is part of Israel’s history not only have past Israeli leaders and founders admitted and called for the murder and displacement of Palestinians but current politicians also call for massacres.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
I give you credit for sticking with your prophet's playbook.
Israel only target those who seek to do them harm. But this according to you is genocide.
Question: Do you think Israel will bomb Gaza if Hamas did not fire missile across the border into Israel?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course the Tommy Robinson supporter would ask the stupidest question on this thread.
You do nothing but talk about the Muslim invasion of Britain and then totally conveniently forget that it was ISRAEL who invaded the Palestinians.
Can you tell me which people on earth wouldn’t fight back after having their land taken and families murdered?
Can you tell me which people on earth wouldn’t fight back after having their land taken and families murdered?
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Gooners.
They get murdered all the time and never do anything about it.
comment by RonaldVilliers - Rangers Scotland's only Septuple Treble Winners. (U21490)
posted 10 seconds ago
Can you tell me which people on earth wouldn’t fight back after having their land taken and families murdered?
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Gooners.
They get murdered all the time and never do anything about it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
😞 got me there
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
Genocide is part of Israel’s history not only have past Israeli leaders and founders admitted and called for the murder and displacement of Palestinians but current politicians also call for massacres.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
I give you credit for sticking with your prophet's playbook.
Israel only target those who seek to do them harm. But this according to you is genocide.
Question: Do you think Israel will bomb Gaza if Hamas did not fire missile across the border into Israel?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course the Tommy Robinson supporter would ask the stupidest question on this thread.
You do nothing but talk about the Muslim invasion of Britain and then totally conveniently forget that it was ISRAEL who invaded the Palestinians.
Can you tell me which people on earth wouldn’t fight back after having their land taken and families murdered?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Are you trying to rewrite history here?
Who were the Palestinians prior to 1948?
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
Genocide is part of Israel’s history not only have past Israeli leaders and founders admitted and called for the murder and displacement of Palestinians but current politicians also call for massacres.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
I give you credit for sticking with your prophet's playbook.
Israel only target those who seek to do them harm. But this according to you is genocide.
Question: Do you think Israel will bomb Gaza if Hamas did not fire missile across the border into Israel?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course the Tommy Robinson supporter would ask the stupidest question on this thread.
You do nothing but talk about the Muslim invasion of Britain and then totally conveniently forget that it was ISRAEL who invaded the Palestinians.
Can you tell me which people on earth wouldn’t fight back after having their land taken and families murdered?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Are you trying to rewrite history here?
Who were the Palestinians prior to 1948?
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They were human beings with land, homes and family members.
Where were the Israelis prior to that year??
I don’t think this need to (again) turn into a Israel Palestine debate does it...? I get it’s more valid than most threads that turn into it, but it’s getting more than a bit boring reading the exact same discussion time and time again.
So, Kung Fu is condoning Hamas firing missiles into Israel but condemning Israel for firing rockets into Gaza?
comment by Tyler Durden (U21874)
posted 6 minutes ago
So, Kung Fu is condoning Hamas firing missiles into Israel but condemning Israel for firing rockets into Gaza?
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As long as they aim them at the military 👍🏼
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 12 minutes ago
I don’t think this need to (again) turn into a Israel Palestine debate does it...? I get it’s more valid than most threads that turn into it, but it’s getting more than a bit boring reading the exact same discussion time and time again.
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Is it boring now you don’t have an opportunity to say Palestinians didn’t exist?
That’s what you were going to say wasn’t it?
Now that I’ve labelled them as human beings you can’t actually say they didn’t exist. I’ll have to go this route more often.
Think you’re confusing me with mancini Kung Fu...
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Jeremy Corbyn
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posted on 14/8/18
The question in the OP is slightly flawed:
All parties have issues with a tiny percentage of their members expressing or holding views that are discriminatory or racist. Some parties might have larger numbers of them (the right side of the political spectrum, for example).
The real question is; is there a *crisis* of anti-semitism in Labour?
Crisis is a comparative term, meaning 'worse when compared to X'. X in this instance has to be one or both of; Previous Labour leaderships, or Other Parties.
We know there's no crisis as compared with Other Parties, including with antisemitism.
On past Labour leaderships... You can't do experiments in history, but we do know that antisemitic views in the UK have decreased in the last few years according to surveys. So you'd expect there to be less antisemitism across all parties generally.
The reason there appears to be a "heightened" level of anti-sem is simply:
a) along with a dutiful media, certain MPs and people with every desire to undermine Corbyn are claiming (mostly unfairly) to see and are seeking to find anti-sem at every corner. If they searched this hard in other parties, they'd almost certainly find vastly worse cases in both quantity and quality. Likewise if they searched this hard for examples under previous Labour leaderships.
b) As hinted above, most of the claims are a straight conflation of opposing Israel's actions w/anti-sem.
b) Media are more than happy to give airtime to Jewish groups that make these claims, but have been far less willing to give airtime to anti-zionist Jewish groups who support Corbyn.
We have to remember that we have a political spectrum dominated by Tories and Blairites, who aren't greatly different from one another on the very views to which Corbyn does indeed differ; regime change wars, arming & supporting human rights abusing client states, market deregulation, privatisation etc... That puts Corbyn in the firing line amongst his own PLP.
We also have a media that more or less reflects those political/economic positions, so again, Corbyn looks comparatively "radical", despite not actually being radical, which makes him the inevitable target for the worst kinds of attacks and smears.
Corbyn isn't the second coming of Cantona, but he does represent a rare opportunity to shove UK politics into a more progressive direction via one of the major parties. Don't fall for the nonsense, is my best advice.
posted on 14/8/18
In the minds of a lot of people, no he won’t (I personally wouldn’t ever vote for him, albeit for other reasons more). I think he has enough support generally that he could still win a GE though.
posted on 14/8/18
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 minutes ago
In the minds of a lot of people, no he won’t (I personally wouldn’t ever vote for him, albeit for other reasons more). I think he has enough support generally that he could still win a GE though.
===========
Stop being vague Melton... What are your reasons??
posted on 14/8/18
“b) Media are more than happy to give airtime to Jewish groups that make these claims, but have been far less willing to give airtime to anti-zionist Jewish groups who support Corbyn.”
Not the right type of Jews for the Daily Mail!
The anti-zionist orthodox Jews who march with Palestinians and pro-Palestinians never get any air time either.
posted on 14/8/18
Jeremy may not be anti-semitic in that he would probably not go around calling Jewish people Kikes but conflating Israels actions with National Socialist Germany he breaks the internationally recognised code, the example that Labours NEC has removed.
Jeremy is a 80s socialist, he wants to take us back to those failed policies and pretends that it is new and shinny, it ain't.
I respect Jeremy's views and he should be free to speak them, I just don't agree with anything he says.
The real problem with this Antisemitism/Islamaphobia debate is the snowflakes who want to shut down all debate, by censoring the language of discourse.
You do not have a right to not be offended.
Jeremeys oppnents both internal and external use his historical actions and utterances to attack him, fair game, but then, he is only Labour leader by default.
Lets not let him get to be PM by default either.
posted on 14/8/18
Surprised Kike got through but N_zi didn't, Admin 1 to add to the list
posted on 14/8/18
comment by GunaDave (U7710)
posted 5 minutes ago
Jeremy may not be anti-semitic in that he would probably not go around calling Jewish people Kikes but conflating Israels actions with National Socialist Germany he breaks the internationally recognised code, the example that Labours NEC has removed.
Jeremy is a 80s socialist, he wants to take us back to those failed policies and pretends that it is new and shinny, it ain't.
I respect Jeremy's views and he should be free to speak them, I just don't agree with anything he says.
The real problem with this Antisemitism/Islamaphobia debate is the snowflakes who want to shut down all debate, by censoring the language of discourse.
You do not have a right to not be offended.
Jeremeys oppnents both internal and external use his historical actions and utterances to attack him, fair game, but then, he is only Labour leader by default.
Lets not let him get to be PM by default either.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Did Corbyn compare Israel to Natzi Germany?
Also, how is comapring the policies of two states anti-semetic?
Genocide is part of Israel’s history not only have past Israeli leaders and founders admitted and called for the murder and displacement of Palestinians but current politicians also call for massacres.
I can show you the quotes if you like?
I can also show you the documented facts about Israel massacring entire villages and throwing families out of their houses along with their belongings like a scene out of Schindler’s list.
How about sterilising African females without their consent?
Building an Auschwitz style Ghetto (Gaza) where Palestinians can’t leave or enter. A wall surrounds them and a sea blockade is in place, a sea wall is now being built. Gaza is now the most densely populated area on planet Earth and it’s bombed into submission killing hundreds of children.
The comparisons are endless!
Anti-semitism used to mean, a hatred of Jews, now it just means a hatred of critics if Israel.
posted on 14/8/18
How many of you attend CLP meetings and actually know what goes on in them?
posted on 14/8/18
Sorry Berba, I’m in and out of meetings so just typing quickly rather than being vague! I’ve met and spoke with him a few times and part of it is just a personal opinion of him. Policy wise, i have a very different stance to him on Europe though (at least, I did. I’m not sure what his publicly is nowadays).
posted on 14/8/18
comment by I'll be The Judge of that! (U21434)
posted 4 hours, 17 minutes ago
The man is a pie in the sky lunatic and should be no where near parliament.
++
and Cameron, May, Gove, Johnson, Davis, Mogg etc... etc... etc...are not. They are all incompetent buffoons
You bloody fool.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I never mentioned politicians other than Corbyn did I? That was you starting an argument with yourself.
You bloody fool.
posted on 14/8/18
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 43 seconds ago
Sorry Berba, I’m in and out of meetings so just typing quickly rather than being vague! I’ve met and spoke with him a few times and part of it is just a personal opinion of him. Policy wise, i have a very different stance to him on Europe though (at least, I did. I’m not sure what his publicly is nowadays).
==============
Wait, you're putting real life above Ja606? Admins... Anything we can do about this rogue, melton?
I recall you saying in the past you've met him and asked why he's not in the Green Party for example.
On Europe, I don't agree with Corbyn. He should be pushing for a vote once the terms of Brexit are laid out. That seems a no-brainer to me. I also think he needs to be substantially louder on our leading threat; anthropogenic climate change.
But some issues aside, tactically I can't come up with many reasons to not vote for him and I'm broadly in agreement with him of UK foreign policy issues - a major source of suffering globally.
posted on 14/8/18
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
The question in the OP is slightly flawed:
All parties have issues with a tiny percentage of their members expressing or holding views that are discriminatory or racist. Some parties might have larger numbers of them (the right side of the political spectrum, for example).
The real question is; is there a *crisis* of anti-semitism in Labour?
Crisis is a comparative term, meaning 'worse when compared to X'. X in this instance has to be one or both of; Previous Labour leaderships, or Other Parties.
We know there's no crisis as compared with Other Parties, including with antisemitism.
On past Labour leaderships... You can't do experiments in history, but we do know that antisemitic views in the UK have decreased in the last few years according to surveys. So you'd expect there to be less antisemitism across all parties generally.
The reason there appears to be a "heightened" level of anti-sem is simply:
a) along with a dutiful media, certain MPs and people with every desire to undermine Corbyn are claiming (mostly unfairly) to see and are seeking to find anti-sem at every corner. If they searched this hard in other parties, they'd almost certainly find vastly worse cases in both quantity and quality. Likewise if they searched this hard for examples under previous Labour leaderships.
b) As hinted above, most of the claims are a straight conflation of opposing Israel's actions w/anti-sem.
b) Media are more than happy to give airtime to Jewish groups that make these claims, but have been far less willing to give airtime to anti-zionist Jewish groups who support Corbyn.
We have to remember that we have a political spectrum dominated by Tories and Blairites, who aren't greatly different from one another on the very views to which Corbyn does indeed differ; regime change wars, arming & supporting human rights abusing client states, market deregulation, privatisation etc... That puts Corbyn in the firing line amongst his own PLP.
We also have a media that more or less reflects those political/economic positions, so again, Corbyn looks comparatively "radical", despite not actually being radical, which makes him the inevitable target for the worst kinds of attacks and smears.
Corbyn isn't the second coming of Cantona, but he does represent a rare opportunity to shove UK politics into a more progressive direction via one of the major parties. Don't fall for the nonsense, is my best advice.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is excellent by the way
posted on 14/8/18
I never mentioned politicians other than Corbyn did I? That was you starting an argument with yourself.
+++
You are actually a bloody fool for claiming that Corbyn is a lunatic and should not be allowed anywhere near Parliament. Do you work for the Sun?
If anything I'm starting an argument with you not myself.
posted on 14/8/18
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
Genocide is part of Israel’s history not only have past Israeli leaders and founders admitted and called for the murder and displacement of Palestinians but current politicians also call for massacres.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
I give you credit for sticking with your prophet's playbook.
Israel only target those who seek to do them harm. But this according to you is genocide.
Question: Do you think Israel will bomb Gaza if Hamas did not fire missile across the border into Israel?
posted on 14/8/18
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 43 seconds ago
Sorry Berba, I’m in and out of meetings so just typing quickly rather than being vague! I’ve met and spoke with him a few times and part of it is just a personal opinion of him. Policy wise, i have a very different stance to him on Europe though (at least, I did. I’m not sure what his publicly is nowadays).
==============
Wait, you're putting real life above Ja606? Admins... Anything we can do about this rogue, melton?
I recall you saying in the past you've met him and asked why he's not in the Green Party for example.
On Europe, I don't agree with Corbyn. He should be pushing for a vote once the terms of Brexit are laid out. That seems a no-brainer to me. I also think he needs to be substantially louder on our leading threat; anthropogenic climate change.
But some issues aside, tactically I can't come up with many reasons to not vote for him and I'm broadly in agreement with him of UK foreign policy issues - a major source of suffering globally.
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Yes, agree with both of your points there (Europe and foreign policy). I’m not keen on some of the economic policies either, I thought the Lib Dem manifesto was stronger and more aligned to what I wanted to see.
Yep I did say that about Corbyn. I asked him directly at the time! I still think that he misses being a backbencher. I disagreed with him more but preferred him when he was doing that than I do now.
posted on 14/8/18
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
Genocide is part of Israel’s history not only have past Israeli leaders and founders admitted and called for the murder and displacement of Palestinians but current politicians also call for massacres.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
I give you credit for sticking with your prophet's playbook.
Israel only target those who seek to do them harm. But this according to you is genocide.
Question: Do you think Israel will bomb Gaza if Hamas did not fire missile across the border into Israel?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course the Tommy Robinson supporter would ask the stupidest question on this thread.
You do nothing but talk about the Muslim invasion of Britain and then totally conveniently forget that it was ISRAEL who invaded the Palestinians.
Can you tell me which people on earth wouldn’t fight back after having their land taken and families murdered?
posted on 14/8/18
Can you tell me which people on earth wouldn’t fight back after having their land taken and families murdered?
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Gooners.
They get murdered all the time and never do anything about it.
posted on 14/8/18
comment by RonaldVilliers - Rangers Scotland's only Septuple Treble Winners. (U21490)
posted 10 seconds ago
Can you tell me which people on earth wouldn’t fight back after having their land taken and families murdered?
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Gooners.
They get murdered all the time and never do anything about it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
😞 got me there
posted on 14/8/18
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
Genocide is part of Israel’s history not only have past Israeli leaders and founders admitted and called for the murder and displacement of Palestinians but current politicians also call for massacres.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
I give you credit for sticking with your prophet's playbook.
Israel only target those who seek to do them harm. But this according to you is genocide.
Question: Do you think Israel will bomb Gaza if Hamas did not fire missile across the border into Israel?
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Of course the Tommy Robinson supporter would ask the stupidest question on this thread.
You do nothing but talk about the Muslim invasion of Britain and then totally conveniently forget that it was ISRAEL who invaded the Palestinians.
Can you tell me which people on earth wouldn’t fight back after having their land taken and families murdered?
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Are you trying to rewrite history here?
Who were the Palestinians prior to 1948?
posted on 14/8/18
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
Genocide is part of Israel’s history not only have past Israeli leaders and founders admitted and called for the murder and displacement of Palestinians but current politicians also call for massacres.
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I give you credit for sticking with your prophet's playbook.
Israel only target those who seek to do them harm. But this according to you is genocide.
Question: Do you think Israel will bomb Gaza if Hamas did not fire missile across the border into Israel?
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Of course the Tommy Robinson supporter would ask the stupidest question on this thread.
You do nothing but talk about the Muslim invasion of Britain and then totally conveniently forget that it was ISRAEL who invaded the Palestinians.
Can you tell me which people on earth wouldn’t fight back after having their land taken and families murdered?
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Are you trying to rewrite history here?
Who were the Palestinians prior to 1948?
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They were human beings with land, homes and family members.
Where were the Israelis prior to that year??
posted on 14/8/18
I don’t think this need to (again) turn into a Israel Palestine debate does it...? I get it’s more valid than most threads that turn into it, but it’s getting more than a bit boring reading the exact same discussion time and time again.
posted on 14/8/18
So, Kung Fu is condoning Hamas firing missiles into Israel but condemning Israel for firing rockets into Gaza?
posted on 14/8/18
comment by Tyler Durden (U21874)
posted 6 minutes ago
So, Kung Fu is condoning Hamas firing missiles into Israel but condemning Israel for firing rockets into Gaza?
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As long as they aim them at the military 👍🏼
posted on 14/8/18
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 12 minutes ago
I don’t think this need to (again) turn into a Israel Palestine debate does it...? I get it’s more valid than most threads that turn into it, but it’s getting more than a bit boring reading the exact same discussion time and time again.
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Is it boring now you don’t have an opportunity to say Palestinians didn’t exist?
That’s what you were going to say wasn’t it?
Now that I’ve labelled them as human beings you can’t actually say they didn’t exist. I’ll have to go this route more often.
posted on 14/8/18
Think you’re confusing me with mancini Kung Fu...
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