If Cook scores 147 in his last two innings he overtakes Sangakkara in the all time run scorers.
Unlikely with how he's playing but you never know.
comment by JustTrue - (Ronnie wins his 7th Masters Snooker Title) (U13155)
posted 6 minutes ago
It's a mindset we need to get rid of in this country. 33 is not very old. If Federer had this mindset, he would've retired in 2013-14. But here he is, playing in 2018 and was World Number 1 earlier this year.
If he had achieved everything in the game and won all the big trophies, I could still understand. But he hasn't.
Bad decision.
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Most runs by an English player
Most tests of any English player
Most tests as England captain
Top 6 all time runs for any batsman
Won 4 ashes series
Won an away series in India
All he has left to achieve is a couple of places on the all time list, achieved everything else.
These individual stats are based on quantity, not quality.
Many England batsmen have had far higher averages, like Hammond, Hutton, Barrington etc.
I think he did a magnificent job for England, but had at least 2 years left in his career. Should've waited at least until the winter before making such a big decision.
His heart clearly hasn't been in it since he gave up the captaincy. It's fairly public knowledge that he wants to retire to his farm, I think it was a pretty clear sign when he gave up the captaincy that he wasn't bothered about going on to challenge the all-time records. I've certainly always had a pretty strong sense that he'd retire fairly early ever since he gave up the captaincy.
I think the place was his as long as he wanted it, but his form was an indication that he didn't really want it so much any more. At top level, even a slight drop in dedication tends to mean a huge drop in performance.
Time was right for him personally. It's not for random keyboard warriors to argue otherwise.
Personally I think he should have gone much sooner as apart from a couple of big double hundreds his average over the last 2-3 years is under 20.
However he does deserve high praise for a fine test career that England should be grateful for. Just look how we've struggled to find another opener.
It's odd he said he's nothing left in the tank yet is going to play at the Oval. Surely if the tank is empty he should go now.
Cook's big strength was mainly mental. He didn't have too many different scoring shots that he used regularly and it was all about his will power and determination to stick it out. With that gone from his game then his hunger and appetite to go and score big runs is gone and that's not good for England.
I think he still had a big score in him but he knows himself better than anyone and hopefully a new opening partnership can be built for the good of England's top order.
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Oh no, he is playing at the Oval, now we'll get all the emotional claptrap. Guard of honour, tears, long jackanory speeches.
comment by JustTrue - (Ronnie wins his 7th Masters Snooker Title) (U13155)
posted 7 minutes ago
Oh no, he is playing at the Oval, now we'll get all the emotional claptrap. Guard of honour, tears, long jackanory speeches.
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And that'll just be from me, who knows why Sky and the BBC will end up doing
Maybe his sendoff will come from an Indian bowler as he gets his wicket.
Cook was a terrific player for England. Its not easy opening the batting. especially in England where the ball seams and swings early on, on the first day of a test. The likes of Tendulkar batted 4th behind Ganguly and Dravid. His average woulda been lower had he opened in England.
averaging 45 is a very good record indeed.
Let's not forget his bowling. Average of 7 in test matches.
What a guy
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. Mopo's #1 fan. (U7905)
posted 13 minutes ago
Let's not forget his bowling. Average of 7 in test matches.
What a guy
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bowling average of 7, batting average of 45. One of the greatest all rounders of all time with those stats.
This is a massive shame, Cook still had another 3-4 years left in him, it will be a massive hole to fill.
He has been past it but he's still been a class Opener. Least Jennings career been extended lmao.
he's definitely not under pressure to leave because of the state of the other opener spot so credit to him if he think its the right time to go, will be fun watching England try find two new openers after this series, amazing stats for a opener which is a position few can play for such a long time at that level, everyone lauds these batters at 3,4,5 but they are not facing a new ball every single time the bat, negating swing/seem at its most deadliest
No one is saying he hasn't been amazing for England.
But 4 or 5 years ago, we were hearing how he will break every single all-time record in the book. Comparing him to the truly great modern batsmen like Tendulkar, Ponting, Richard, Lara, Kallis, Sanga etc.
Now he's burnt out, he wants to live on a farm, I assume he wants to spend every sunset with his high school sweetheart.
When did the story of mentally tough world beater become a Meg Ryan movie?
Comparing him to the truly great modern batsmen like Tendulkar, Ponting, Richard, Lara, Kallis, Sanga etc.
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I don't think any of those were consistent openers in test cricket like cook, its a compliment comparing him to great middle order batsmen who have it a bit easier down the order
If you think that Cook is anywhere near those players, I don't know what you have been smoking.
Ponting often came in really early and was much more consistent and destructive than Cook.
If you think that Cook is anywhere near those players, I don't know what you have been smoking.
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his actual record, runs, 100's etc compares well with all the great openers in history, his average is down a bit in comparison to great middle order batsmen because he's a opener, you say ponting came in early often? yes he may have but not every innings was it, its not hard to understand, you seem to be looking for issues with him that are not really there
Cook is a good lad, but no legend like Hutton who was an opener who averaged 56 and he's English.
Cook is a good lad, but no legend like Hutton who was an opener who averaged 56 and he's English.
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yup that tendulker is rubbish as well compared to bradman, I mean averaging only 53 and scoring 50 100's whilst bradman averaged nearly 100
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Who said Cook was rubbish? I said don't change the goalposts.
5 years ago, many people said he would break the all-time quantity stats (not that I care that much about them anyway) and now people are talking about him wanting to be at his farm, he is exhausted. Such a good boy, his career is not bad etc.
Ponting was a much, much better batsman that Cook and regardless of who is above you, when you bat at 3, you will have to come in early on many occasions, Ponting did that. Only in England would anyone compare Ponting and Cook as batsmen.
I see you mentioned Hayden, I can only imagine what would've happened if Cook ended up having an average like Hayden. Bradman wouldn't be safe.
Ponting was a much, much better batsman that Cook and regardless of who is above you, when you bat at 3, you will have to come in early on many occasions, Ponting did that. Only in England would anyone compare Ponting and Cook as batsmen.
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and only someone who knows well not much about cricket would compare a middle order batsmen to a opener
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posted on 3/9/18
If Cook scores 147 in his last two innings he overtakes Sangakkara in the all time run scorers.
Unlikely with how he's playing but you never know.
posted on 3/9/18
comment by JustTrue - (Ronnie wins his 7th Masters Snooker Title) (U13155)
posted 6 minutes ago
It's a mindset we need to get rid of in this country. 33 is not very old. If Federer had this mindset, he would've retired in 2013-14. But here he is, playing in 2018 and was World Number 1 earlier this year.
If he had achieved everything in the game and won all the big trophies, I could still understand. But he hasn't.
Bad decision.
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Most runs by an English player
Most tests of any English player
Most tests as England captain
Top 6 all time runs for any batsman
Won 4 ashes series
Won an away series in India
All he has left to achieve is a couple of places on the all time list, achieved everything else.
posted on 3/9/18
These individual stats are based on quantity, not quality.
Many England batsmen have had far higher averages, like Hammond, Hutton, Barrington etc.
I think he did a magnificent job for England, but had at least 2 years left in his career. Should've waited at least until the winter before making such a big decision.
posted on 3/9/18
His heart clearly hasn't been in it since he gave up the captaincy. It's fairly public knowledge that he wants to retire to his farm, I think it was a pretty clear sign when he gave up the captaincy that he wasn't bothered about going on to challenge the all-time records. I've certainly always had a pretty strong sense that he'd retire fairly early ever since he gave up the captaincy.
I think the place was his as long as he wanted it, but his form was an indication that he didn't really want it so much any more. At top level, even a slight drop in dedication tends to mean a huge drop in performance.
Time was right for him personally. It's not for random keyboard warriors to argue otherwise.
posted on 3/9/18
Personally I think he should have gone much sooner as apart from a couple of big double hundreds his average over the last 2-3 years is under 20.
However he does deserve high praise for a fine test career that England should be grateful for. Just look how we've struggled to find another opener.
It's odd he said he's nothing left in the tank yet is going to play at the Oval. Surely if the tank is empty he should go now.
posted on 3/9/18
Cook's big strength was mainly mental. He didn't have too many different scoring shots that he used regularly and it was all about his will power and determination to stick it out. With that gone from his game then his hunger and appetite to go and score big runs is gone and that's not good for England.
I think he still had a big score in him but he knows himself better than anyone and hopefully a new opening partnership can be built for the good of England's top order.
posted on 3/9/18
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posted on 3/9/18
Oh no, he is playing at the Oval, now we'll get all the emotional claptrap. Guard of honour, tears, long jackanory speeches.
posted on 3/9/18
comment by JustTrue - (Ronnie wins his 7th Masters Snooker Title) (U13155)
posted 7 minutes ago
Oh no, he is playing at the Oval, now we'll get all the emotional claptrap. Guard of honour, tears, long jackanory speeches.
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And that'll just be from me, who knows why Sky and the BBC will end up doing
posted on 3/9/18
Maybe his sendoff will come from an Indian bowler as he gets his wicket.
posted on 3/9/18
Cook was a terrific player for England. Its not easy opening the batting. especially in England where the ball seams and swings early on, on the first day of a test. The likes of Tendulkar batted 4th behind Ganguly and Dravid. His average woulda been lower had he opened in England.
averaging 45 is a very good record indeed.
posted on 3/9/18
Let's not forget his bowling. Average of 7 in test matches.
What a guy
posted on 3/9/18
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. Mopo's #1 fan. (U7905)
posted 13 minutes ago
Let's not forget his bowling. Average of 7 in test matches.
What a guy
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bowling average of 7, batting average of 45. One of the greatest all rounders of all time with those stats.
posted on 3/9/18
This is a massive shame, Cook still had another 3-4 years left in him, it will be a massive hole to fill.
posted on 4/9/18
He has been past it but he's still been a class Opener. Least Jennings career been extended lmao.
posted on 4/9/18
he's definitely not under pressure to leave because of the state of the other opener spot so credit to him if he think its the right time to go, will be fun watching England try find two new openers after this series, amazing stats for a opener which is a position few can play for such a long time at that level, everyone lauds these batters at 3,4,5 but they are not facing a new ball every single time the bat, negating swing/seem at its most deadliest
posted on 4/9/18
No one is saying he hasn't been amazing for England.
But 4 or 5 years ago, we were hearing how he will break every single all-time record in the book. Comparing him to the truly great modern batsmen like Tendulkar, Ponting, Richard, Lara, Kallis, Sanga etc.
Now he's burnt out, he wants to live on a farm, I assume he wants to spend every sunset with his high school sweetheart.
When did the story of mentally tough world beater become a Meg Ryan movie?
posted on 4/9/18
Comparing him to the truly great modern batsmen like Tendulkar, Ponting, Richard, Lara, Kallis, Sanga etc.
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I don't think any of those were consistent openers in test cricket like cook, its a compliment comparing him to great middle order batsmen who have it a bit easier down the order
posted on 4/9/18
If you think that Cook is anywhere near those players, I don't know what you have been smoking.
Ponting often came in really early and was much more consistent and destructive than Cook.
posted on 4/9/18
If you think that Cook is anywhere near those players, I don't know what you have been smoking.
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his actual record, runs, 100's etc compares well with all the great openers in history, his average is down a bit in comparison to great middle order batsmen because he's a opener, you say ponting came in early often? yes he may have but not every innings was it, its not hard to understand, you seem to be looking for issues with him that are not really there
posted on 4/9/18
Cook is a good lad, but no legend like Hutton who was an opener who averaged 56 and he's English.
posted on 4/9/18
Cook is a good lad, but no legend like Hutton who was an opener who averaged 56 and he's English.
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yup that tendulker is rubbish as well compared to bradman, I mean averaging only 53 and scoring 50 100's whilst bradman averaged nearly 100
posted on 4/9/18
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posted on 4/9/18
Who said Cook was rubbish? I said don't change the goalposts.
5 years ago, many people said he would break the all-time quantity stats (not that I care that much about them anyway) and now people are talking about him wanting to be at his farm, he is exhausted. Such a good boy, his career is not bad etc.
Ponting was a much, much better batsman that Cook and regardless of who is above you, when you bat at 3, you will have to come in early on many occasions, Ponting did that. Only in England would anyone compare Ponting and Cook as batsmen.
I see you mentioned Hayden, I can only imagine what would've happened if Cook ended up having an average like Hayden. Bradman wouldn't be safe.
posted on 4/9/18
Ponting was a much, much better batsman that Cook and regardless of who is above you, when you bat at 3, you will have to come in early on many occasions, Ponting did that. Only in England would anyone compare Ponting and Cook as batsmen.
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and only someone who knows well not much about cricket would compare a middle order batsmen to a opener
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