comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 24 seconds ago
Cheating, nothing to discuss.
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So If Linecker (instead of Maradona) scored the hand of God goal & England went on to win the WC, would you celebrate the victory or would you not want to be associated with cheats?
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 3 minutes ago
It certainly isn't an echo chamber here. For one I never agree with that idiot Nicks PATHETIC comments...
But yes, you can't make a claim like 'Neuer called a cheat' when it is a lie - and then say we disagree cos this place is an echo chamber.
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You know, chelsea fans have feelings too edin
comment by Geechi (U21931)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 24 seconds ago
Cheating, nothing to discuss.
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So If Linecker (instead of Maradona) scored the hand of God goal & England went on to win the WC, would you celebrate the victory or would you not want to be associated with cheats?
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You're making the assumption here that people have an issue with cheating?
If Hazza Kane scored the winner vs Germany by gobbing in the referees face so he was blind; snapping Hummels in half then punching both Neuer and the ball to score the winner. I would be over the moon. Doesn't mean it isn't cheating though.
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If you win by cheating, you will always be left with that "what if" feeling about the win yourself; and oppo fans will always have an 'in'.
As I said, of course some people don't really care about that, but then I would suggest they don't really get sport at all. There is a "win at all costs" attitude, and people think that makes them winners, when for me the opposite is more accurate.
What is the point of winning at all if it's not done with the respect of your peers? Anyone can just go and buy a shiny cup.
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Geechi (U21931)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 5 minutes ago
Nobody called Neuer a cheat. Fake news.
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Really? A quick google search would settle this. But anyway, I see that some members of this site are afraid of being challenged intellectually. We might all be United fans but it is not healthy to turn this board into an echo chamber. There's room for contrarian views such as those that I hold. No need for the name calling when your views are challenged. Just saying.
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Done a quick google search. No media outlets calling him a cheat. Just an article where neuer admits to conning the ref.
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So only neuer said he was a cheat then 😐
Trying to save the ball isn’t cheating (even if it’s over the line) it’s part of the game.
Pretending to be fouled is cheating.
Massive difference
I don't know what you guys are googling, but the top result in mine was an interesting little article in the Guardian.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/jun/29/cheating-football-germany-goalkeeper
The last paragraph:
"Neuer missed a rare opportunity to do something noble in front of millions of people. He could have set a positive ethical example to people watching all over the world, including the many millions who are young and impressionable. Who knows what difference that example might have made to the lives of many of those watching. Neuer could have been a hero, standing up for what is right. Instead he is just another very skillful, cheating footballer."
If anything Neuer was playing to the whistle. Could very much have been a natural reaction.
comment by Geechi (U21931)
posted 2 hours, 47 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 5 minutes ago
Can it not be both?
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If you get away with it, then yes. But if you pull a Neymar, then no. I just hate the self-rightous, sanctimonious a-holes who demonize players who pull a fast one on daft ref. I say blame the ref for not doing his job. Look at this way: If were a starving homeless man & I walked into a supermarket, stole a loaf of bread & got away with it, who is to blame? Me or the security personnel?
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The Tories, obviously.
comment by Geechi (U21931)
posted 58 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 24 seconds ago
Cheating, nothing to discuss.
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So If Lineker (instead of Maradona) scored the hand of God goal & England went on to win the WC, would you celebrate the victory or would you not want to be associated with cheats?
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I honestly would call a cheat a cheat and be against it. Would I still celebrate the win of a world cup? Of course.
Would I (in that scenario) prefer VAR to have called Lineker up and carded him then let real football decide the game? Of course.
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Geechi (U21931)
posted 58 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 24 seconds ago
Cheating, nothing to discuss.
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So If Lineker (instead of Maradona) scored the hand of God goal & England went on to win the WC, would you celebrate the victory or would you not want to be associated with cheats?
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I honestly would call a cheat a cheat and be against it. Would I still celebrate the win of a world cup? Of course.
Would I (in that scenario) prefer VAR to have called Lineker up and carded him then let real football decide the game? Of course.
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Fair play. That's the sort of honesty I respect. I think I'd do the same to be quite honest.
comment by Geechi (U21931)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Geechi (U21931)
posted 58 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 24 seconds ago
Cheating, nothing to discuss.
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So If Lineker (instead of Maradona) scored the hand of God goal & England went on to win the WC, would you celebrate the victory or would you not want to be associated with cheats?
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I honestly would call a cheat a cheat and be against it. Would I still celebrate the win of a world cup? Of course.
Would I (in that scenario) prefer VAR to have called Lineker up and carded him then let real football decide the game? Of course.
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Fair play. That's the sort of honesty I respect. I think I'd do the same to be quite honest.
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The issue is that if people are good enough at cheating and it becomes a case of cheat or finish second to a cheater what are you gonna do?
I just really hope VAR sees an end to it all, or as close as can be. I'm also sick of seeing players stay down faking and rolling around even if they have been fouled but not actually hurt. If you're rolling around for a minute (for example) then you should have to go off for 2 minutes while the game continues as you'll be needing some medical attention
A lot of the diving thing has its roots in referees failing to penalise fouls, or failing to notice an actual foul.
I, like most I imagine, have some sympathy there, but it's still no better really, it is still very much cheating. - and generally looks far more ridiculous.
That said, there's no sympathy when it's some clown actively diving when a defender is 3 feet away. Obviously.
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If you get caught - Cheating
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posted on 14/9/18
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 24 seconds ago
Cheating, nothing to discuss.
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So If Linecker (instead of Maradona) scored the hand of God goal & England went on to win the WC, would you celebrate the victory or would you not want to be associated with cheats?
posted on 14/9/18
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 3 minutes ago
It certainly isn't an echo chamber here. For one I never agree with that idiot Nicks PATHETIC comments...
But yes, you can't make a claim like 'Neuer called a cheat' when it is a lie - and then say we disagree cos this place is an echo chamber.
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You know, chelsea fans have feelings too edin
posted on 14/9/18
comment by Geechi (U21931)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 24 seconds ago
Cheating, nothing to discuss.
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So If Linecker (instead of Maradona) scored the hand of God goal & England went on to win the WC, would you celebrate the victory or would you not want to be associated with cheats?
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You're making the assumption here that people have an issue with cheating?
If Hazza Kane scored the winner vs Germany by gobbing in the referees face so he was blind; snapping Hummels in half then punching both Neuer and the ball to score the winner. I would be over the moon. Doesn't mean it isn't cheating though.
posted on 14/9/18
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 14/9/18
If you win by cheating, you will always be left with that "what if" feeling about the win yourself; and oppo fans will always have an 'in'.
As I said, of course some people don't really care about that, but then I would suggest they don't really get sport at all. There is a "win at all costs" attitude, and people think that makes them winners, when for me the opposite is more accurate.
What is the point of winning at all if it's not done with the respect of your peers? Anyone can just go and buy a shiny cup.
posted on 14/9/18
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Geechi (U21931)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 5 minutes ago
Nobody called Neuer a cheat. Fake news.
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Really? A quick google search would settle this. But anyway, I see that some members of this site are afraid of being challenged intellectually. We might all be United fans but it is not healthy to turn this board into an echo chamber. There's room for contrarian views such as those that I hold. No need for the name calling when your views are challenged. Just saying.
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Done a quick google search. No media outlets calling him a cheat. Just an article where neuer admits to conning the ref.
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So only neuer said he was a cheat then 😐
posted on 14/9/18
Trying to save the ball isn’t cheating (even if it’s over the line) it’s part of the game.
Pretending to be fouled is cheating.
Massive difference
posted on 14/9/18
I don't know what you guys are googling, but the top result in mine was an interesting little article in the Guardian.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/jun/29/cheating-football-germany-goalkeeper
The last paragraph:
"Neuer missed a rare opportunity to do something noble in front of millions of people. He could have set a positive ethical example to people watching all over the world, including the many millions who are young and impressionable. Who knows what difference that example might have made to the lives of many of those watching. Neuer could have been a hero, standing up for what is right. Instead he is just another very skillful, cheating footballer."
posted on 14/9/18
If anything Neuer was playing to the whistle. Could very much have been a natural reaction.
posted on 14/9/18
comment by Geechi (U21931)
posted 2 hours, 47 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 5 minutes ago
Can it not be both?
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If you get away with it, then yes. But if you pull a Neymar, then no. I just hate the self-rightous, sanctimonious a-holes who demonize players who pull a fast one on daft ref. I say blame the ref for not doing his job. Look at this way: If were a starving homeless man & I walked into a supermarket, stole a loaf of bread & got away with it, who is to blame? Me or the security personnel?
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The Tories, obviously.
posted on 14/9/18
Cheating.
posted on 14/9/18
comment by Geechi (U21931)
posted 58 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 24 seconds ago
Cheating, nothing to discuss.
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So If Lineker (instead of Maradona) scored the hand of God goal & England went on to win the WC, would you celebrate the victory or would you not want to be associated with cheats?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I honestly would call a cheat a cheat and be against it. Would I still celebrate the win of a world cup? Of course.
Would I (in that scenario) prefer VAR to have called Lineker up and carded him then let real football decide the game? Of course.
posted on 14/9/18
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Geechi (U21931)
posted 58 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 24 seconds ago
Cheating, nothing to discuss.
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So If Lineker (instead of Maradona) scored the hand of God goal & England went on to win the WC, would you celebrate the victory or would you not want to be associated with cheats?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I honestly would call a cheat a cheat and be against it. Would I still celebrate the win of a world cup? Of course.
Would I (in that scenario) prefer VAR to have called Lineker up and carded him then let real football decide the game? Of course.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Fair play. That's the sort of honesty I respect. I think I'd do the same to be quite honest.
posted on 14/9/18
comment by Geechi (U21931)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Geechi (U21931)
posted 58 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 24 seconds ago
Cheating, nothing to discuss.
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So If Lineker (instead of Maradona) scored the hand of God goal & England went on to win the WC, would you celebrate the victory or would you not want to be associated with cheats?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I honestly would call a cheat a cheat and be against it. Would I still celebrate the win of a world cup? Of course.
Would I (in that scenario) prefer VAR to have called Lineker up and carded him then let real football decide the game? Of course.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Fair play. That's the sort of honesty I respect. I think I'd do the same to be quite honest.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The issue is that if people are good enough at cheating and it becomes a case of cheat or finish second to a cheater what are you gonna do?
I just really hope VAR sees an end to it all, or as close as can be. I'm also sick of seeing players stay down faking and rolling around even if they have been fouled but not actually hurt. If you're rolling around for a minute (for example) then you should have to go off for 2 minutes while the game continues as you'll be needing some medical attention
posted on 14/9/18
A lot of the diving thing has its roots in referees failing to penalise fouls, or failing to notice an actual foul.
I, like most I imagine, have some sympathy there, but it's still no better really, it is still very much cheating. - and generally looks far more ridiculous.
That said, there's no sympathy when it's some clown actively diving when a defender is 3 feet away. Obviously.
posted on 15/9/18
If you get away with it - Street Smarts
If you get caught - Cheating
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