I think the big problem with Ramsey is that he is obsessed with goals. He is constantly trying to get forward and spend half of the match yesterday playing on the shoulder of the last defender.
His best season, 13/14 he scored all those goals playing alongside or just ahead of Arteta, and a lot of his goals (not all) were from as a result of breaking into the box, not hanging around it the whole time. He dovetailed well with Giroud in particular.
Yesterday we had a massive whole in the centre of the pitch where I feel Ramsey should be, to genuinely link play, not just to try and play as a striker,
comment by Robbing_Hoody - as a rule I don't trust a man who doesn't drink but I do trust James Milner (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 55 minutes ago
It's an interesting concept, especially when you consider it's widely noted that players have the power these days.
It would also mean that no-one wanted Can, Pirlo, Toni, Alves, Coman, Neto, Pogba, Llorente and Kedira and just by chance they all ended up at Juve.
I'd say Sanchez is the exception rather than the rule and he was more than happy to go to Utd on that wage anyway.
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Just think abt it for a minute without bias. Ignore the talking heads because they mostly don't know or understand the rules. This is why players have agents.
Players do not have power whilst they are contracted. A club can sell a player without his consent to any other club they want. Once the club has agreed a sale it is up the player to negotiate a contract with the buying club. A player can obviously refuse to go and you will find the club then blackballs the player internally. As soon as a player refuses he has no value on the balance sheet as an asset because the club cannot get a transfer fee for that player. In fact a club can sue the player for breaking his contract by refusing to go.
Now when players run down their contract the club obviously puts up the player for sale. Why would the club not want any money when they know the player is intending to leave so is not committed to your team? Are they going to try as hard? What would happen to the player if he broke a leg with only 6 months of the contract remaining? The player could be out of contract and a livelihood!
Now if you read my comment you would see that the problems occur when they are no competing parties to a players signature ie only one club wants the player and he only wants to go to that club. This is how Juve gets the players you are talking abt. They do deals. The problem is of course by doing that a player talks himself out of a lot of money. So lets say Alexis said I only want to play for Man City. City can say to Alexis we will only give you £300k a week. Alexis may think what am I doing only limiting my wages. Surely as the top scorer in the premier league that season I should allow other clubs to outbid Man City on wages. Man Utd agreed to give him £500k a week! Why would he play for Man City on £200k a week less than Man Utd?
So in your premise those players agreed to run down their contracts to join Juve on the basis that NO other club was willing to give them more money than Juve so they were taking themselves out of the market! The scenario I described. Only one club wants them and they only want to go to that club.
He isn’t on £500/wk rather £350/wk
I am confused by your reasoning on a lot of this Jenius :-
--- "Players do not have power whilst they are contracted." ---
Yes they do Jenius, they have a lot of power.
--- "A club can sell a player without his consent to any other club they want." ---
No, they can't.
--- "Once the club has agreed a sale it is up the player to negotiate a contract with the buying club." ---
Exactly, and of course if the negotiation fails that's that - so they can't sell him !
--- " A player can obviously refuse to go and you will find the club then blackballs the player internally." ---
Not necessarily, in fact I don't think that happens most of the time - but it's hardly a disaster, either way the player still gets paid,
--- "As soon as a player refuses he has no value on the balance sheet as an asset because the club cannot get a transfer fee for that player." ---
Again that is not typical, what often happens is the club will try and sell him to somebody else that he is more keen to go to or he is reintroduced to the first team as a valuable asset that they cannot afford to waste.
--- "In fact a club can sue the player for breaking his contract by refusing to go." ---
Well again that's just wrong, unless it is in his contract that the club has the right to sell him without his agreement - which I think would be extremely unusual.
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posted on 24/9/18
I think the big problem with Ramsey is that he is obsessed with goals. He is constantly trying to get forward and spend half of the match yesterday playing on the shoulder of the last defender.
His best season, 13/14 he scored all those goals playing alongside or just ahead of Arteta, and a lot of his goals (not all) were from as a result of breaking into the box, not hanging around it the whole time. He dovetailed well with Giroud in particular.
Yesterday we had a massive whole in the centre of the pitch where I feel Ramsey should be, to genuinely link play, not just to try and play as a striker,
posted on 24/9/18
comment by Robbing_Hoody - as a rule I don't trust a man who doesn't drink but I do trust James Milner (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 55 minutes ago
It's an interesting concept, especially when you consider it's widely noted that players have the power these days.
It would also mean that no-one wanted Can, Pirlo, Toni, Alves, Coman, Neto, Pogba, Llorente and Kedira and just by chance they all ended up at Juve.
I'd say Sanchez is the exception rather than the rule and he was more than happy to go to Utd on that wage anyway.
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Just think abt it for a minute without bias. Ignore the talking heads because they mostly don't know or understand the rules. This is why players have agents.
Players do not have power whilst they are contracted. A club can sell a player without his consent to any other club they want. Once the club has agreed a sale it is up the player to negotiate a contract with the buying club. A player can obviously refuse to go and you will find the club then blackballs the player internally. As soon as a player refuses he has no value on the balance sheet as an asset because the club cannot get a transfer fee for that player. In fact a club can sue the player for breaking his contract by refusing to go.
Now when players run down their contract the club obviously puts up the player for sale. Why would the club not want any money when they know the player is intending to leave so is not committed to your team? Are they going to try as hard? What would happen to the player if he broke a leg with only 6 months of the contract remaining? The player could be out of contract and a livelihood!
Now if you read my comment you would see that the problems occur when they are no competing parties to a players signature ie only one club wants the player and he only wants to go to that club. This is how Juve gets the players you are talking abt. They do deals. The problem is of course by doing that a player talks himself out of a lot of money. So lets say Alexis said I only want to play for Man City. City can say to Alexis we will only give you £300k a week. Alexis may think what am I doing only limiting my wages. Surely as the top scorer in the premier league that season I should allow other clubs to outbid Man City on wages. Man Utd agreed to give him £500k a week! Why would he play for Man City on £200k a week less than Man Utd?
So in your premise those players agreed to run down their contracts to join Juve on the basis that NO other club was willing to give them more money than Juve so they were taking themselves out of the market! The scenario I described. Only one club wants them and they only want to go to that club.
posted on 24/9/18
He isn’t on £500/wk rather £350/wk
posted on 26/9/18
I am confused by your reasoning on a lot of this Jenius :-
--- "Players do not have power whilst they are contracted." ---
Yes they do Jenius, they have a lot of power.
--- "A club can sell a player without his consent to any other club they want." ---
No, they can't.
--- "Once the club has agreed a sale it is up the player to negotiate a contract with the buying club." ---
Exactly, and of course if the negotiation fails that's that - so they can't sell him !
--- " A player can obviously refuse to go and you will find the club then blackballs the player internally." ---
Not necessarily, in fact I don't think that happens most of the time - but it's hardly a disaster, either way the player still gets paid,
--- "As soon as a player refuses he has no value on the balance sheet as an asset because the club cannot get a transfer fee for that player." ---
Again that is not typical, what often happens is the club will try and sell him to somebody else that he is more keen to go to or he is reintroduced to the first team as a valuable asset that they cannot afford to waste.
--- "In fact a club can sue the player for breaking his contract by refusing to go." ---
Well again that's just wrong, unless it is in his contract that the club has the right to sell him without his agreement - which I think would be extremely unusual.
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