Jorginho doesn’t look great defensively, I can’t see how you could replace Kante and still remain solid enough at the back against anyone decent.
Will read the article.
But I think tomorrow will be a big test and clue as to how we are to approach this season.
usually is it:
Jorgino
Kante Kovacic
I think tomorrow we could see more of a :
Kante Jorgino
----Kovacic---
Great thing about kante is he has so much energy.
Jorginho will always be base of midfield in this system no two ways around that. The other formation Sarri is known for playing is 4321 at his team before Napoli (Empoli I think) and occasionally at Napoli. I imagine the midfield three there wouldn’t change at all from his 4-3-3 set up
Kante playing alongside Jorginho is a good option vs big teams as we'll need the extra protection at the back and that way the full backs have the licence to go forward.
Not sure Sarri will change his style and we'll stick to what's been working so far. This issue about Kante wouldn't be such a big thing if we had a striker who could score, yes Kante finds himself in good positions but his job isn't really to score.
I feel Kovacic should be scoring/assisting more as he's had a few chances that he should do better.
I'd like to think our midfielders learnt from the arsenal and succeeding games, they all seem to have a high IQ, especially kante, so would hope they can sort it out and read the situations of the game. Kante more box to box, kovacic dropping in the hole and jorgino dictating play.
Tomorrow could be an issue without rudiger though.
Very slow back line:
Azpi Cahill/Chris Luiz Alonso.
Massive worry.
We'll struggle tomorrow, happily take a point
comment by Tablighi Jamaat (U15973)
posted 5 seconds ago
Kante playing alongside Jorginho is a good option vs big teams as we'll need the extra protection at the back and that way the full backs have the licence to go forward.
Not sure Sarri will change his style and we'll stick to what's been working so far. This issue about Kante wouldn't be such a big thing if we had a striker who could score, yes Kante finds himself in good positions but his job isn't really to score.
I feel Kovacic should be scoring/assisting more as he's had a few chances that he should do better.
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I agree.
People underestimate how important a striker would be.
In high pressure moments, when on top you need one to score or finish off a game.
Also when under the cosh you need a striker to hold up the ball and bring the team up the pitch.
We are lacking both when morata plays. And lacking the goals when giroud plays.
Mind you I can see giroud scoring tomorrow.
Giroud should park himself on Gomez and try to bully him physically, hold the ball up and basically let Hazard bounce the ball of him.
I hope Pedro starts tomorrow as he's a goal threat from the wide areas, Willian's been good from the bench this season.
Rudiger will be a big miss if he doesn't play, he's the only one with pace.
It's the one niggling doubt I've had about the system. I just don't think Kante is quite clinical enough for it to be fully effective. He allegedly didn't fancy taking a penalty the other night which is understandable when you know that you aren't the sharpest goalscorer on the pitch. Even the goal against Huddersfield was a bit of a shinner.
Obviously N'Golo is one of our best players and a place for him on the pitch MUST be found, which is why I think we would be more effective if him and Jorginho were simply swapped enabling Jorginho's eye for a killer pass to open teams up more further up the field and enable our attack to have more penetration when teams like West Ham are playing compactly, but I know that not everyone on here sees it that way.
I get the issue around Kante and out of the three midfielders I think his space should be most at threat unfortunately. A biptoduct of Sarri’s system and probably a scenario we should’ve been prepared for at the outset of his appointment..
However I also kinda back Kante to improve his game. Only 7 games in and he does get into goalscoring positions with ease. His passing most of the time is fine, sometimes some poor losses of possession but even Jorginho has done that this season. I guess the issue is while I do fully expect him to improve over the next 12 months do we still stick with the same system or maybe we should shift the formation (big ask fr Sarri) or maybe introduce Barkley/RLC into Kante’s position for some games in the meantime.
Kante has improved year on year and last season was, for me, his best season in England, I would not count against him improving this year.
There are no problems with Kante, our midfield without him is useless as none of them have the legs he does, he's basically 2 players in 1. He even gets the best out of the lazy Pogba in the France team.
The underlying issue is our strikers don't score any goals, if we had a 20 goal striker none of this midfielder scoring goals would be an issue. If anyone should be trying to get more forward and influencing the attack from midfield it should be Kovacic/Barkley
Kante's missed chances are further highlighted due to the fact our strikers don't score and on occasions Hazard/Willian are not selfish enough and try to set up the useless duo that we have.
I don't remember kante having too many, if any outstanding chances tbf
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 2 minutes ago
I don't remember kante having too many, if any outstanding chances tbf
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I think there's been a couple of occasions where he's been on the end of a cross. I believe it was the West Ham (could be wrong) he had a header which went wide and a left foot shot which went over, both would have been perfect for Giroud
Jorginho would never work in a double pivot role, so a 4231 would certainly be a move backwards for me.
I think Kante has played well this season, but he has not been up to his excellent standards. I think partly because he has a new role, but also more importantly we play a lot different in general.
Kante at Leicester, Chelsea and France has not played high possession football. He has excelled for these other teams as it gave him plenty of opportunity to tackle and intercept. Now he has long passages of play where he is actually required to be creative.
He has a lot to learn, and even being played out of position he is still vitally important to the team.
please lets not start doubting Kante,
world class midfielder wherever he plays
hes fine in his current role and underrated on the ball
hes fine
comment by MTC 2.0 (U21799)
posted 2 minutes ago
please lets not start doubting Kante,
world class midfielder wherever he plays
hes fine in his current role and underrated on the ball
hes fine
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I don't think anyones doubting him. He is world class. Been the best midfielder in the prem with hazard and silva the last 3 years.
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 7 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by MTC 2.0 (U21799)
posted 2 minutes ago
please lets not start doubting Kante,
world class midfielder wherever he plays
hes fine in his current role and underrated on the ball
hes fine
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't think anyones doubting him. He is world class. Been the best midfielder in the prem with hazard and silva the last 3 years.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ya, moreso hoping he can develop/improve another facet of his game to make our team and how we currently play more effective.
Kante needs to be played in a less advanced position as a defensive midfielder and not in advanced positions to press opposing teams in attacking areas in my opinion.
comment by ZahraIhsanphile (U20361)
posted 54 minutes ago
Kante needs to be played in a less advanced position as a defensive midfielder and not in advanced positions to press opposing teams in attacking areas in my opinion.
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I don't think that will happen under Sarri, especially as it seems our current formation and where Kante is playing is working so far.
Soccerlol Kante is better at stopping attacking moves by other teams and intercepting players which is his strong point while attacking isn't his strength.If it ain't broke then why fix it?
Where did we finish last season? Seems pretty broke. There's also the issue of a new manager implementing his style/formation and new players, namely Jorginho.
Read the article above as well as this provided by Cmf:
http://www.espn.co.uk/football/club/chelsea/363/blog/post/3649819/why-jorginho-is-more-important-than-ngolo-kante-for-chelsea-as-maurizio-sarri-rebuilds-club?
These writers have no clue, to get an understanding of what Kante is supposed to do watch Napoli and Allan (thier unsung hero). Sarri's system is all about winning the ball in advance positions and there is no player better to do that than Kante. Leaving Kante as the defensive midfielder deeper down leaves us a very counter attacking team.
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posted on 28/9/18
Jorginho doesn’t look great defensively, I can’t see how you could replace Kante and still remain solid enough at the back against anyone decent.
posted on 28/9/18
Will read the article.
But I think tomorrow will be a big test and clue as to how we are to approach this season.
usually is it:
Jorgino
Kante Kovacic
I think tomorrow we could see more of a :
Kante Jorgino
----Kovacic---
Great thing about kante is he has so much energy.
posted on 28/9/18
Jorginho will always be base of midfield in this system no two ways around that. The other formation Sarri is known for playing is 4321 at his team before Napoli (Empoli I think) and occasionally at Napoli. I imagine the midfield three there wouldn’t change at all from his 4-3-3 set up
posted on 28/9/18
Kante playing alongside Jorginho is a good option vs big teams as we'll need the extra protection at the back and that way the full backs have the licence to go forward.
Not sure Sarri will change his style and we'll stick to what's been working so far. This issue about Kante wouldn't be such a big thing if we had a striker who could score, yes Kante finds himself in good positions but his job isn't really to score.
I feel Kovacic should be scoring/assisting more as he's had a few chances that he should do better.
posted on 28/9/18
I'd like to think our midfielders learnt from the arsenal and succeeding games, they all seem to have a high IQ, especially kante, so would hope they can sort it out and read the situations of the game. Kante more box to box, kovacic dropping in the hole and jorgino dictating play.
Tomorrow could be an issue without rudiger though.
Very slow back line:
Azpi Cahill/Chris Luiz Alonso.
Massive worry.
posted on 28/9/18
We'll struggle tomorrow, happily take a point
posted on 28/9/18
comment by Tablighi Jamaat (U15973)
posted 5 seconds ago
Kante playing alongside Jorginho is a good option vs big teams as we'll need the extra protection at the back and that way the full backs have the licence to go forward.
Not sure Sarri will change his style and we'll stick to what's been working so far. This issue about Kante wouldn't be such a big thing if we had a striker who could score, yes Kante finds himself in good positions but his job isn't really to score.
I feel Kovacic should be scoring/assisting more as he's had a few chances that he should do better.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I agree.
People underestimate how important a striker would be.
In high pressure moments, when on top you need one to score or finish off a game.
Also when under the cosh you need a striker to hold up the ball and bring the team up the pitch.
We are lacking both when morata plays. And lacking the goals when giroud plays.
Mind you I can see giroud scoring tomorrow.
posted on 28/9/18
Giroud should park himself on Gomez and try to bully him physically, hold the ball up and basically let Hazard bounce the ball of him.
I hope Pedro starts tomorrow as he's a goal threat from the wide areas, Willian's been good from the bench this season.
Rudiger will be a big miss if he doesn't play, he's the only one with pace.
posted on 28/9/18
It's the one niggling doubt I've had about the system. I just don't think Kante is quite clinical enough for it to be fully effective. He allegedly didn't fancy taking a penalty the other night which is understandable when you know that you aren't the sharpest goalscorer on the pitch. Even the goal against Huddersfield was a bit of a shinner.
Obviously N'Golo is one of our best players and a place for him on the pitch MUST be found, which is why I think we would be more effective if him and Jorginho were simply swapped enabling Jorginho's eye for a killer pass to open teams up more further up the field and enable our attack to have more penetration when teams like West Ham are playing compactly, but I know that not everyone on here sees it that way.
posted on 28/9/18
I get the issue around Kante and out of the three midfielders I think his space should be most at threat unfortunately. A biptoduct of Sarri’s system and probably a scenario we should’ve been prepared for at the outset of his appointment..
However I also kinda back Kante to improve his game. Only 7 games in and he does get into goalscoring positions with ease. His passing most of the time is fine, sometimes some poor losses of possession but even Jorginho has done that this season. I guess the issue is while I do fully expect him to improve over the next 12 months do we still stick with the same system or maybe we should shift the formation (big ask fr Sarri) or maybe introduce Barkley/RLC into Kante’s position for some games in the meantime.
posted on 28/9/18
Kante has improved year on year and last season was, for me, his best season in England, I would not count against him improving this year.
posted on 28/9/18
There are no problems with Kante, our midfield without him is useless as none of them have the legs he does, he's basically 2 players in 1. He even gets the best out of the lazy Pogba in the France team.
The underlying issue is our strikers don't score any goals, if we had a 20 goal striker none of this midfielder scoring goals would be an issue. If anyone should be trying to get more forward and influencing the attack from midfield it should be Kovacic/Barkley
posted on 28/9/18
Kante's missed chances are further highlighted due to the fact our strikers don't score and on occasions Hazard/Willian are not selfish enough and try to set up the useless duo that we have.
posted on 28/9/18
I don't remember kante having too many, if any outstanding chances tbf
posted on 28/9/18
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 2 minutes ago
I don't remember kante having too many, if any outstanding chances tbf
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I think there's been a couple of occasions where he's been on the end of a cross. I believe it was the West Ham (could be wrong) he had a header which went wide and a left foot shot which went over, both would have been perfect for Giroud
posted on 28/9/18
Jorginho would never work in a double pivot role, so a 4231 would certainly be a move backwards for me.
I think Kante has played well this season, but he has not been up to his excellent standards. I think partly because he has a new role, but also more importantly we play a lot different in general.
Kante at Leicester, Chelsea and France has not played high possession football. He has excelled for these other teams as it gave him plenty of opportunity to tackle and intercept. Now he has long passages of play where he is actually required to be creative.
He has a lot to learn, and even being played out of position he is still vitally important to the team.
posted on 28/9/18
please lets not start doubting Kante,
world class midfielder wherever he plays
hes fine in his current role and underrated on the ball
hes fine
posted on 28/9/18
comment by MTC 2.0 (U21799)
posted 2 minutes ago
please lets not start doubting Kante,
world class midfielder wherever he plays
hes fine in his current role and underrated on the ball
hes fine
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't think anyones doubting him. He is world class. Been the best midfielder in the prem with hazard and silva the last 3 years.
posted on 28/9/18
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 7 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by MTC 2.0 (U21799)
posted 2 minutes ago
please lets not start doubting Kante,
world class midfielder wherever he plays
hes fine in his current role and underrated on the ball
hes fine
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't think anyones doubting him. He is world class. Been the best midfielder in the prem with hazard and silva the last 3 years.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ya, moreso hoping he can develop/improve another facet of his game to make our team and how we currently play more effective.
posted on 28/9/18
Kante needs to be played in a less advanced position as a defensive midfielder and not in advanced positions to press opposing teams in attacking areas in my opinion.
posted on 28/9/18
comment by ZahraIhsanphile (U20361)
posted 54 minutes ago
Kante needs to be played in a less advanced position as a defensive midfielder and not in advanced positions to press opposing teams in attacking areas in my opinion.
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I don't think that will happen under Sarri, especially as it seems our current formation and where Kante is playing is working so far.
posted on 28/9/18
Soccerlol Kante is better at stopping attacking moves by other teams and intercepting players which is his strong point while attacking isn't his strength.If it ain't broke then why fix it?
posted on 28/9/18
Where did we finish last season? Seems pretty broke. There's also the issue of a new manager implementing his style/formation and new players, namely Jorginho.
posted on 28/9/18
Read the article above as well as this provided by Cmf:
http://www.espn.co.uk/football/club/chelsea/363/blog/post/3649819/why-jorginho-is-more-important-than-ngolo-kante-for-chelsea-as-maurizio-sarri-rebuilds-club?
posted on 29/9/18
These writers have no clue, to get an understanding of what Kante is supposed to do watch Napoli and Allan (thier unsung hero). Sarri's system is all about winning the ball in advance positions and there is no player better to do that than Kante. Leaving Kante as the defensive midfielder deeper down leaves us a very counter attacking team.
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