I get what you're saying via Pedro but he'd suit a different sort of role up top, the false 9 is essentially a playmaker and that's not his game.
Pedro's a weird player in some ways. If he was just a touch quicker he could be a typical poacher, if he was a touch stronger he could be more of a link player. Props to Guardiola for identifying his main talent at Barca (his off the ball movement) and working out a position for him on the wing with it.
comment by The Devil's Advocate's Advocate - I Represent Him (U6522)
posted 4 hours ago
He's best at collecting the ball from deep, skipping past players and starting attacks whilst occasionally also finishing them.
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That's literally the definition of a false 9
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I wouldn’t expect to see him collecting the ball from deep playing in such an advanced role and if he does we’ll be short in numbers in attack.
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I wouldn’t expect to see him collecting the ball from deep playing in such an advanced role and if he does we’ll be short in numbers in attack.
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How deep a false 9 drops depends on the player and the rest of the tactical framework, they can drop as deep as the half way line in certain setups.
Irritating misconception about the false 9 is the idea that it lacks attacking intent, it lacks a focal point of attack but that's not the same as lacking numbers. If executed correctly you're attacking with 4 or 5 around the false 9 discounting WB's, just relies on a pass and move style to work, which is why people who claim Hazard can't play it based off a few games for Conte need to reevaluate their opinion (it's the one 'Conte's negativity shackled Hazard' argument I actually agree with).
It may work better under Sarri's system but I think we'll need better players in midfield/attack who can get into the box and score goals when Hazard drifts into midfield or out wide to collect the ball.
comment by The Devil's Advocate's Advocate - I Represent Him (U6522)
posted 6 minutes ago
I wouldn’t expect to see him collecting the ball from deep playing in such an advanced role and if he does we’ll be short in numbers in attack.
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How deep a false 9 drops depends on the player and the rest of the tactical framework, they can drop as deep as the half way line in certain setups.
Irritating misconception about the false 9 is the idea that it lacks attacking intent, it lacks a focal point of attack but that's not the same as lacking numbers. If executed correctly you're attacking with 4 or 5 around the false 9 discounting WB's, just relies on a pass and move style to work, which is why people who claim Hazard can't play it based off a few games for Conte need to reevaluate their opinion (it's the one 'Conte's negativity shackled Hazard' argument I actually agree with).
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Playing him as a false 9 under Mourinho was a disaster as well.
I have no recollection of Hazard playing false 9 for Mourinho. Not one.
comment by The Devil's Advocate's Advocate - I Represent Him (U6522)
posted 5 minutes ago
I have no recollection of Hazard playing false 9 for Mourinho. Not one.
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My mistake. I was thinking about that game at Old Trafford but just realised it was Schurrle!
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posted on 19/10/18
I get what you're saying via Pedro but he'd suit a different sort of role up top, the false 9 is essentially a playmaker and that's not his game.
Pedro's a weird player in some ways. If he was just a touch quicker he could be a typical poacher, if he was a touch stronger he could be more of a link player. Props to Guardiola for identifying his main talent at Barca (his off the ball movement) and working out a position for him on the wing with it.
posted on 19/10/18
comment by The Devil's Advocate's Advocate - I Represent Him (U6522)
posted 4 hours ago
He's best at collecting the ball from deep, skipping past players and starting attacks whilst occasionally also finishing them.
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That's literally the definition of a false 9
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I wouldn’t expect to see him collecting the ball from deep playing in such an advanced role and if he does we’ll be short in numbers in attack.
posted on 19/10/18
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 19/10/18
I wouldn’t expect to see him collecting the ball from deep playing in such an advanced role and if he does we’ll be short in numbers in attack.
-----------------------------------------------------------
How deep a false 9 drops depends on the player and the rest of the tactical framework, they can drop as deep as the half way line in certain setups.
Irritating misconception about the false 9 is the idea that it lacks attacking intent, it lacks a focal point of attack but that's not the same as lacking numbers. If executed correctly you're attacking with 4 or 5 around the false 9 discounting WB's, just relies on a pass and move style to work, which is why people who claim Hazard can't play it based off a few games for Conte need to reevaluate their opinion (it's the one 'Conte's negativity shackled Hazard' argument I actually agree with).
posted on 19/10/18
It may work better under Sarri's system but I think we'll need better players in midfield/attack who can get into the box and score goals when Hazard drifts into midfield or out wide to collect the ball.
posted on 19/10/18
comment by The Devil's Advocate's Advocate - I Represent Him (U6522)
posted 6 minutes ago
I wouldn’t expect to see him collecting the ball from deep playing in such an advanced role and if he does we’ll be short in numbers in attack.
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How deep a false 9 drops depends on the player and the rest of the tactical framework, they can drop as deep as the half way line in certain setups.
Irritating misconception about the false 9 is the idea that it lacks attacking intent, it lacks a focal point of attack but that's not the same as lacking numbers. If executed correctly you're attacking with 4 or 5 around the false 9 discounting WB's, just relies on a pass and move style to work, which is why people who claim Hazard can't play it based off a few games for Conte need to reevaluate their opinion (it's the one 'Conte's negativity shackled Hazard' argument I actually agree with).
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Playing him as a false 9 under Mourinho was a disaster as well.
posted on 19/10/18
I have no recollection of Hazard playing false 9 for Mourinho. Not one.
posted on 19/10/18
comment by The Devil's Advocate's Advocate - I Represent Him (U6522)
posted 5 minutes ago
I have no recollection of Hazard playing false 9 for Mourinho. Not one.
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My mistake. I was thinking about that game at Old Trafford but just realised it was Schurrle!
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