didnt Arsenal lose the charity shield to utd in the unbeatables season.

Yes it’s recognised as a competitive fixture by Fifa and the FA. They are kind of a big deal when deciding what constitutes a competitive fixture, you know as governing bodies of the sport.

2018-19: A 4-0 rout of Shkëndija boded well going into the playoffs, but Salzburg choked once again at a crucial moment in their tie. 2-0 up at home with 25 minutes plus added time left against Red Star Belgrade, Salzburg were stunned by two goals in two minutes from Comorian striker Ben, and despite their best efforts they lost on away goals once again.
Salzburg

They did indeed, but technically the untouchables moniker referred to the PL.

There's tons of examples to suit the need for it's relevance when it's convenient. Mourinho winning a 'treble' in his first United season is another one, he's just a good as Fergie clearly

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https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/european/manchester-united-liverpool-banner-michey-mouse-treble-europa-league-a7754961.html

Utd apparently dont think its competitive either.

It's not subjective The charity shield is literally an official game. It is.

comment by #4zA (U19575)
posted 4 minutes ago
they did not lose the game

they lost the tie, which is different

Chelsea lost a crucial competitive fixture for a trophy
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are they still in the competition? nope they lost

may as well include the super cup as well

Which game did they lose?

comment by vavarising (U21731)
posted 1 minute ago
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/european/manchester-united-liverpool-banner-michey-mouse-treble-europa-league-a7754961.html

Utd apparently dont think its competitive either.


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Where does it say that in the article?

comment by Erik (U21750)
posted 18 minutes ago
Which game did they lose?
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Who's they?

comment by vavarising (U21731)
posted 29 minutes ago
2018-19: A 4-0 rout of Shkëndija boded well going into the playoffs, but Salzburg choked once again at a crucial moment in their tie. 2-0 up at home with 25 minutes plus added time left against Red Star Belgrade, Salzburg were stunned by two goals in two minutes from Comorian striker Ben, and despite their best efforts they lost on away goals once again.
Salzburg
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Last season spurs won a game 2-2 and now chelsea fans are trying to convince us that Salzburg lost a game 2-2.

comment by Manfrombelmonty (U1705)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by vavarising (U21731)
posted 29 minutes ago
2018-19: A 4-0 rout of Shkëndija boded well going into the playoffs, but Salzburg choked once again at a crucial moment in their tie. 2-0 up at home with 25 minutes plus added time left against Red Star Belgrade, Salzburg were stunned by two goals in two minutes from Comorian striker Ben, and despite their best efforts they lost on away goals once again.
Salzburg
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Last season spurs won a game 2-2 and now chelsea fans are trying to convince us that Salzburg lost a game 2-2.
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comment by Erik (U21750)
posted 28 minutes ago
It's not subjectiveThe charity shield is literally an official game. It is.
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Who's side are you on Wahl?

comment by West London Express (U5874)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by Erik (U21750)
posted 28 minutes ago
It's not subjectiveThe charity shield is literally an official game. It is.
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Who's side are you on Wahl?
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I bet the European Super Cup wasn't an official game in his eyes this time last year

I dunno what all the fuss about City was for last season? They weren't even in the Charity Shield

It's not subjective The charity shield is literally an official game. It is.
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If a tree falls in the woods and no-one's around, does it make a sound?

If the Charity Shield is a competitive game, but nobody treats it like one unless to suit an agenda, is it really competitive?

It's incredibly subjective

Are there lots of competitive fixtures where you can make more than 3 subs?

comment by tcw (U6489)
posted 1 minute ago
Are there lots of competitive fixtures where you can make more than 3 subs?
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The World cup.
Champions league
Europa league
Carabao cup

Just off the top of my head...

It’s really not subjective. The FA, the organising body, categorises it as a competitive fixture. Whether it is important is another debate. I don’t know how people can even argue against this.

comment by Manfrombelmonty (U1705)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by tcw (U6489)
posted 1 minute ago
Are there lots of competitive fixtures where you can make more than 3 subs?
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The World cup.
Champions league
Europa league
Carabao cup

Just off the top of my head...
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And can you do that in regular time in these competitive fixtures?

comment by tcw (U6489)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Manfrombelmonty (U1705)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by tcw (U6489)
posted 1 minute ago
Are there lots of competitive fixtures where you can make more than 3 subs?
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The World cup.
Champions league
Europa league
Carabao cup

Just off the top of my head...
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And can you do that in regular time in these competitive fixtures?
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Goal posts shifted

Salzburg are still undefeated

comment by Manfrombelmonty (U1705)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by tcw (U6489)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Manfrombelmonty (U1705)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by tcw (U6489)
posted 1 minute ago
Are there lots of competitive fixtures where you can make more than 3 subs?
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The World cup.
Champions league
Europa league
Carabao cup

Just off the top of my head...
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And can you do that in regular time in these competitive fixtures?
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Goal posts shifted

Salzburg are still undefeated
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Merely asking questions, it's up to you to infer whatever you like

It’s really not subjective. The FA, the organising body, categorises it as a competitive fixture. Whether it is important is another debate. I don’t know how people can even argue against this.
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How many in game rules of the FA's rely on the subjective opinions of the referee? By having a retrospective appeal policy all their own rules are subject to debate by a few people in a boardroom.

The Charity Shield's capacity as an official game is only as strong as them deciding one day it's not deemed important enough to stage anymore, which (if that happened) would be based on widespread subjective opinion that it's not a competitive fixture.

It's a subjective argument because in this case the source has no credibility.