comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 4 minutes ago
First of all Diafol, apologies for what is to come because your article deserves a proper and fuller response, and it isn’t going to get one
I just want to go back to last night’s performance and ignore your wider point (which I agree with to an extent).
I didn’t think we were nearly as poor last night as many are making out, first half in particular.
They created one good chance all good game, whilst we created comfortably enough to win the game several times over.
Rashford should have scored the early one on one, simple as. He could have cut back to Fellaini for a tap in with the keeper off his line minutes later, or squared a similar opportunity to Lingard for a tap in.
Fellaini missed another sitter with his volley from the keeper’s error. Mata should have done better with his volley. Martial ran into dead ends several times in the box when he could have got a shot away. Lingard fired a bullet right at the keeper that a yard either side flies in.
If we’d won, as we should have given the chances, 3-0 then people wouldn’t be talking about a poor performance.
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It was an abysmal performance. The fact that you are looking at a few chances is just pure desperation. We should be beating these sort of teams 3-0 minimum and it's all well and good looking at our chances but looks at theirs also. They were very wasteful in the final third. One in the first half where if the player let it go through his legs they would have had a tap in, the extraordinary save from de gea, the 4 on 3 where one if their players played an awful ball for Jones to chest it back. After 60 mins we had 1 shot on target and we had roughly the same amount of shots as them in the 2nd half in a pretty much must win game at home against Young Boys. Anybody who doesn't think that was awful last night really has set their standards so low.
Jose simply has to leave, the guy is a complete embarassment both on and off the pitch. The chucking of the water bottles was just stupid, the reactions to players mistakes stupid and then criticising pundits etc after the match again. The guy is just a little biiiitch who don't accept any form of criticism. Criticism that he deservedly gets due to his style if football and antics. I don't rate him as a manager anymore, talk about his history all you like, yes he was once great. He isn't now. He isn't in the top 5 in our league nevermind Europe. Clueless to what is going on around him and what is wrong. Constantly plays Matic week in week out, then alongside Fellaini. Why? It's proven to rarely work.
I work have never known any manager bar him to simply play players just to try and prove a point. He has done it with rashford on more than one occasion then made snidey comments after the game towards the fans pretty much saying he is right to play Lukaku. He did it towards he board by playing mctominay on more than one occasion again to the detriment to the team. The guy is a complete disaster yet Woodward won't pull his finger out his backside for some reason and get rid. Therefore we are left to put up with this utter Sheite for another 6 months and anyone who thinks it will get better us utterly deluded. I guarantee Saturday will be another abomination of a match, Matic and Fellaini guaranteed starters as is Lukaku after rashford failed to score.
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A few chances? Nah, fella.
We created more than 50% more chances than Bayern did in their 5-1 drubbing of Benfica last night, and had more than 50% more shots.
We created a lot of chances, and good ones. Our finishing was diabolical. But that doesn’t mean the performance was.
A half empty ot at full time tells you the story about the performance
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 56 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 4 minutes ago
First of all Diafol, apologies for what is to come because your article deserves a proper and fuller response, and it isn’t going to get one
I just want to go back to last night’s performance and ignore your wider point (which I agree with to an extent).
I didn’t think we were nearly as poor last night as many are making out, first half in particular.
They created one good chance all good game, whilst we created comfortably enough to win the game several times over.
Rashford should have scored the early one on one, simple as. He could have cut back to Fellaini for a tap in with the keeper off his line minutes later, or squared a similar opportunity to Lingard for a tap in.
Fellaini missed another sitter with his volley from the keeper’s error. Mata should have done better with his volley. Martial ran into dead ends several times in the box when he could have got a shot away. Lingard fired a bullet right at the keeper that a yard either side flies in.
If we’d won, as we should have given the chances, 3-0 then people wouldn’t be talking about a poor performance.
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It was an abysmal performance. The fact that you are looking at a few chances is just pure desperation. We should be beating these sort of teams 3-0 minimum and it's all well and good looking at our chances but looks at theirs also. They were very wasteful in the final third. One in the first half where if the player let it go through his legs they would have had a tap in, the extraordinary save from de gea, the 4 on 3 where one if their players played an awful ball for Jones to chest it back. After 60 mins we had 1 shot on target and we had roughly the same amount of shots as them in the 2nd half in a pretty much must win game at home against Young Boys. Anybody who doesn't think that was awful last night really has set their standards so low.
Jose simply has to leave, the guy is a complete embarassment both on and off the pitch. The chucking of the water bottles was just stupid, the reactions to players mistakes stupid and then criticising pundits etc after the match again. The guy is just a little biiiitch who don't accept any form of criticism. Criticism that he deservedly gets due to his style if football and antics. I don't rate him as a manager anymore, talk about his history all you like, yes he was once great. He isn't now. He isn't in the top 5 in our league nevermind Europe. Clueless to what is going on around him and what is wrong. Constantly plays Matic week in week out, then alongside Fellaini. Why? It's proven to rarely work.
I work have never known any manager bar him to simply play players just to try and prove a point. He has done it with rashford on more than one occasion then made snidey comments after the game towards the fans pretty much saying he is right to play Lukaku. He did it towards he board by playing mctominay on more than one occasion again to the detriment to the team. The guy is a complete disaster yet Woodward won't pull his finger out his backside for some reason and get rid. Therefore we are left to put up with this utter Sheite for another 6 months and anyone who thinks it will get better us utterly deluded. I guarantee Saturday will be another abomination of a match, Matic and Fellaini guaranteed starters as is Lukaku after rashford failed to score.
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A few chances? Nah, fella.
We created more than 50% more chances than Bayern did in their 5-1 drubbing of Benfica last night, and had more than 50% more shots.
We created a lot of chances, and good ones. Our finishing was diabolical. But that doesn’t mean the performance was.
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So we should be creating more chances. We were at home to Young Boys in what was an important game. We didn't create a lot of good chances whatsoever. In fact our best chance bar the goal came from a fluke of a flick on after 4 mins. If yoh honestly think that performance was anything above poor then you are deluded
There is one candidate that would be ideal as an interim manager. Steve Bruce.
United to the core and schooled by Sir Alex.
Would it make a difference, who knows but Mauren's third season has always been toxic.
Python
I’ve listed four what should have been sitters above, as well as other quality chances.
On top of that you can add a Lukaku free header at the near post and Rashford wasteful twice from the edge of the area when he has to test the keeper.
We should have scored at the very least three last night with the chances we created, which were plentiful and largely of a decent quality. We should also have created more quality chances with all the corners, free kicks from wide areas and crosses we had the opportunity to craft something from.
I’m not excusing those wasted opportunities, and I’m not arguing that they shouldn’t be called out, criticized and worked on. But the narrative I’m hearing is firstly that the performance was overwhelmingly a bad one. It wasn’t. The first half was very solid barring our abject wastefulness in the final third and particularly with our finishing. The second half was a little laboured at times, but again, with even half decent finishing it looks like a completely different game.
Secondly, I cannot believe I’m reading primarily criticisms of Fellaini, Matic and, generally, our midfield. They controlled the game, won the ball back quickly upfield, passed the ball positively, accurately and intelligently, and helped limit Young Boys to one decent chance all game.
At the same time, Martial, Rashford and Lingard contrived to waste chance after chance after chance. Without counting the myriad wasted final balls between the three of them, they collectively managed to get two of twelve chances on target. Two.
If people want to scapegoat anyone for last night’s performance the three of them were equally culpable for the lack of a very comfortable victory.
But that doesn’t suit the agenda does it? Martial = god, Matic = worst player in the PL, Jose = tactically clueless.
Here’s a stat for you, Martial and Rashford both either lost control of the ball or were tackled ten times last night.
The rest of the side, subs included, did the same thing a total of fifteen times.
Here’s another one: Fellaini had as many attempts on target as Rashford and Martial combined.
Rosso I think the frustration, from me at least, is that we've got to reach somewhat to call performances good. Had we scored maybe just one more then you could call it an efficient performance but we should be doing better IMO.
I see your point in that goals do change the perception of matches though but we really do need to aim much higher.
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 13 minutes ago
Python
I’ve listed four what should have been sitters above, as well as other quality chances.
On top of that you can add a Lukaku free header at the near post and Rashford wasteful twice from the edge of the area when he has to test the keeper.
We should have scored at the very least three last night with the chances we created, which were plentiful and largely of a decent quality. We should also have created more quality chances with all the corners, free kicks from wide areas and crosses we had the opportunity to craft something from.
I’m not excusing those wasted opportunities, and I’m not arguing that they shouldn’t be called out, criticized and worked on. But the narrative I’m hearing is firstly that the performance was overwhelmingly a bad one. It wasn’t. The first half was very solid barring our abject wastefulness in the final third and particularly with our finishing. The second half was a little laboured at times, but again, with even half decent finishing it looks like a completely different game.
Secondly, I cannot believe I’m reading primarily criticisms of Fellaini, Matic and, generally, our midfield. They controlled the game, won the ball back quickly upfield, passed the ball positively, accurately and intelligently, and helped limit Young Boys to one decent chance all game.
At the same time, Martial, Rashford and Lingard contrived to waste chance after chance after chance. Without counting the myriad wasted final balls between the three of them, they collectively managed to get two of twelve chances on target. Two.
If people want to scapegoat anyone for last night’s performance the three of them were equally culpable for the lack of a very comfortable victory.
But that doesn’t suit the agenda does it? Martial = god, Matic = worst player in the PL, Jose = tactically clueless.
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If you actually read what I put earlier then you will find i did criticise Martial. He was dreadful both last night and at the weekend. Difference is we all know his quality plus he pretty much has kept Jose in a job. Matuc and Fellaini on the other hand are awful. Last night they were average at best. Any better opposition last night would have punished us. Did you see how many times they got between the lines simply because them 2 carthorses in the middle are too slow to get back.
We could all pick moments in a game where players should have done better. To me it seems you are clutching at straws. To me that last night was simply poor.
Rosso
So long as Fellaini is a United starter we will remain in the mess we are now.
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 10 minutes ago
Here’s a stat for you, Martial and Rashford both either lost control of the ball or were tackled ten times last night.
The rest of the side, subs included, did the same thing a total of fifteen times.
Here’s another one: Fellaini had as many attempts on target as Rashford and Martial combined.
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You will probably find that attacking players in every game get tackled more than anyone else. Hardly some amazing stat. Another straw clutch there lad
It appears that Rosso is now filling in the idiocy void left by the lad who runs away.
Last week he was trying to justify Groot playing just to shield Lindelof. I kid you not.
This is how far some of our fans will go in support of idiotic decisions this manager keeps making.
It isn’t straw clutching; it’s called objectivity. Setting aside bias and agendas and actually watching and analyzing football matches.
I’m not arguing Fellaini and Matic are great players. I’m not arguing that Martial isn’t comfortably more talented and less valuable to the squad and club. Personally, I’d rather we lost Fellaini and Matic on free transfers than accept a £100m bid for Martial.
But I cannot help anyone who thinks the midfield was *the* or really any kind of issue last night.
The three of them did what wrong, exactly? They kept the ball very well, switched the play intelligently, played it neatly between the lines, mixed it up feeding the forwards early when the opportunities arose, got up the pitch in support, won the ball back in the middle third successfully, created chances... You can talk about Young Boys breaking on the counter, but they produced one good chance all game. One. And the midfield three allowed one shot on target before the subs.
Last night’s poor result was the result of abject wastefulness in front of goal from the front three. They, along with Valencia, were our worst players last night.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 5 minutes ago
It appears that Rosso is now filling in the idiocy void left by the lad who runs away.
Last week he was trying to justify Groot playing just to shield Lindelof. I kid you not.
This is how far some of our fans will go in support of idiotic decisions this manager keeps making.
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I’m not engaging in a playground back and forth with you VC, sorry.
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 9 minutes ago
It isn’t straw clutching; it’s called objectivity. Setting aside bias and agendas and actually watching and analyzing football matches.
I’m not arguing Fellaini and Matic are great players. I’m not arguing that Martial isn’t comfortably more talented and less valuable to the squad and club. Personally, I’d rather we lost Fellaini and Matic on free transfers than accept a £100m bid for Martial.
But I cannot help anyone who thinks the midfield was *the* or really any kind of issue last night.
The three of them did what wrong, exactly? They kept the ball very well, switched the play intelligently, played it neatly between the lines, mixed it up feeding the forwards early when the opportunities arose, got up the pitch in support, won the ball back in the middle third successfully, created chances... You can talk about Young Boys breaking on the counter, but they produced one good chance all game. One. And the midfield three allowed one shot on target before the subs.
Last night’s poor result was the result of abject wastefulness in front of goal from the front three. They, along with Valencia, were our worst players last night.
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Matic was ok first half. Awful 2nd half. Did you not see the game and see on a fair few occasions their midfielders breaking the lines of our midfield? DDG made a fantastic save, if their player let it go rather than back heeling it they would have had a tap in and they had a 4 on 3 but fir a shocking ball that Jones cut out with his chest.
As for Fellaini he was abysmal last night and I'm not letting a last min winner skew my judgement. How many fecking times did he get caught offside and an attack breakdown? He played predominantly in the no. 10 role. What the feck does he create? No wonder our player is so slow and ponderous, them two are the main culprits for it. We were decent first half, second half utterly awful and quite frankly they were just as good as us in that 2nd. Awful to think that at OT young boys could have quite easily and should have come away with something
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 5 minutes ago
It appears that Rosso is now filling in the idiocy void left by the lad who runs away.
Last week he was trying to justify Groot playing just to shield Lindelof. I kid you not.
This is how far some of our fans will go in support of idiotic decisions this manager keeps making.
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I’m not engaging in a playground back and forth with you VC, sorry.
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Stop being a prat then.
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
Here’s a stat for you, Martial and Rashford both either lost control of the ball or were tackled ten times last night.
The rest of the side, subs included, did the same thing a total of fifteen times.
Here’s another one: Fellaini had as many attempts on target as Rashford and Martial combined.
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Dont need a stay to tell you that players who dribble and make runs onto the ball tend to lose the ball more often.
Rashford finish was diabolical last night, his overall game was good which is a positive.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
Here’s a stat for you, Martial and Rashford both either lost control of the ball or were tackled ten times last night.
The rest of the side, subs included, did the same thing a total of fifteen times.
Here’s another one: Fellaini had as many attempts on target as Rashford and Martial combined.
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Dont need a stay to tell you that players who dribble and make runs onto the ball tend to lose the ball more often.
Rashford finish was diabolical last night, his overall game was good which is a positive.
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I am aware of that.
But when you add Lukaku, Fellaini, Matic, Lingard, Pogba and Fred - all players who are (often fairly) accused of giving the ball away carelessly and too frequently - to the rest of the players playing last night, and still you don’t get near the number that those two players between them managed, that says something.
Rashford’s link up play with Lingard was decent, and his attitude and directness, as usual, were a breath of fresh air. Otherwise he had a shocker.
And Martial just had a really poor game. He looked lost and on a different wavelength to the players around him too often. He ran into I don’t know how many dead ends when he needed to pass the ball or get a shot away.
They were dreadful. It happens. They are young, and all young players barring next to none are inconsistent. I’m not slating their work ethics, ability or even current form. I love the pair of them and think they should have big futures at United.
I’m just saying they had really poor performances last night, in isolation, and it really cost us.
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posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
Here’s a stat for you, Martial and Rashford both either lost control of the ball or were tackled ten times last night.
The rest of the side, subs included, did the same thing a total of fifteen times.
Here’s another one: Fellaini had as many attempts on target as Rashford and Martial combined.
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Dont need a stay to tell you that players who dribble and make runs onto the ball tend to lose the ball more often.
Rashford finish was diabolical last night, his overall game was good which is a positive.
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I am aware of that.
But when you add Lukaku, Fellaini, Matic, Lingard, Pogba and Fred - all players who are (often fairly) accused of giving the ball away carelessly and too frequently - to the rest of the players playing last night, and still you don’t get near the number that those two players between them managed, that says something.
Rashford’s link up play with Lingard was decent, and his attitude and directness, as usual, were a breath of fresh air. Otherwise he had a shocker.
And Martial just had a really poor game. He looked lost and on a different wavelength to the players around him too often. He ran into I don’t know how many dead ends when he needed to pass the ball or get a shot away.
They were dreadful. It happens. They are young, and all young players barring next to none are inconsistent. I’m not slating their work ethics, ability or even current form. I love the pair of them and think they should have big futures at United.
I’m just saying they had really poor performances last night, in isolation, and it really cost us.
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I have absolutely no issue with players giving away possession if they are actually trying something whether it be a take on or defence splittinv pass etc. Our problem is the fact we plag it far too safe far too often. Did you know De Bruyne gave the ball away more than any other player in the league last season?
I don’t have a problem with players giving the ball away when they also contribute to the bottom line not even nearly as emphatically as De Bruyne.
The fact of the matter is that Rashford and Martial didn’t last night.
If Sanchez had put in the very same performance as either of those two, he’d have been torn to absolute shreds on here.
I’m not arguing that that would be fair, or otherwise. Just highlighting the double standards that people (seemingly subconsciously) apply that result in them for example blaming Fellaini and Matic for last night’s result, rather than the forwards.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
It appears that Rosso is now filling in the idiocy void left by the lad who runs away.
Last week he was trying to justify Groot playing just to shield Lindelof. I kid you not.
This is how far some of our fans will go in support of idiotic decisions this manager keeps making.
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That’s exactly what Mourinho did with Fellaini against Watford in September, to very good effect: used his height and physicality to help Lindelof out against a team that would use an aerial ball on the counter.
Why so strange to suggest that Mourinho might do the same thing again, or that it might work?
It was young boys of Switzerland we played last night ?
Just checking
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 25 minutes ago
I don’t have a problem with players giving the ball away when they also contribute to the bottom line not even nearly as emphatically as De Bruyne.
The fact of the matter is that Rashford and Martial didn’t last night.
If Sanchez had put in the very same performance as either of those two, he’d have been torn to absolute shreds on here.
I’m not arguing that that would be fair, or otherwise. Just highlighting the double standards that people (seemingly subconsciously) apply that result in them for example blaming Fellaini and Matic for last night’s result, rather than the forwards.
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Well i for one hve not blamed fellaini or matic. The reason rashford and more so martial don't get as much stick is because they are youngsters, the future of the club and martial has been superb the kast 4-6 weeks. Matic and fellaini are more often than not average or shocking and deserve all the stick they get especially when imo there are better players behind them
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 25 minutes ago
I don’t have a problem with players giving the ball away when they also contribute to the bottom line not even nearly as emphatically as De Bruyne.
The fact of the matter is that Rashford and Martial didn’t last night.
If Sanchez had put in the very same performance as either of those two, he’d have been torn to absolute shreds on here.
I’m not arguing that that would be fair, or otherwise. Just highlighting the double standards that people (seemingly subconsciously) apply that result in them for example blaming Fellaini and Matic for last night’s result, rather than the forwards.
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Well i for one hve not blamed fellaini or matic. The reason rashford and more so martial don't get as much stick is because they are youngsters, the future of the club and martial has been superb the kast 4-6 weeks. Matic and fellaini are more often than not average or shocking and deserve all the stick they get especially when imo there are better players behind them
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When they have played poorly, people are well within their rights to give them stick, of course.
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posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 25 minutes ago
I don’t have a problem with players giving the ball away when they also contribute to the bottom line not even nearly as emphatically as De Bruyne.
The fact of the matter is that Rashford and Martial didn’t last night.
If Sanchez had put in the very same performance as either of those two, he’d have been torn to absolute shreds on here.
I’m not arguing that that would be fair, or otherwise. Just highlighting the double standards that people (seemingly subconsciously) apply that result in them for example blaming Fellaini and Matic for last night’s result, rather than the forwards.
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Well i for one hve not blamed fellaini or matic. The reason rashford and more so martial don't get as much stick is because they are youngsters, the future of the club and martial has been superb the kast 4-6 weeks. Matic and fellaini are more often than not average or shocking and deserve all the stick they get especially when imo there are better players behind them
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When they have played poorly, people are well within their rights to give them stick, of course.
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Yep and i thought they were poor last night. Especially fellaini. The only outfield players that come out with any credit for last nights game imo were jones, smalling, shaw and possibly Fred
I thought all three midfielders did well, as did the back line barring Valencia. DDG had literally nothing to do barring the one save, which was of course spectacular.
Pogba and Mata didn’t really change the game for the better when they came on, but the three who really let us down were the trio who started up top, absolutely no question.
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posted on 28/11/18
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 4 minutes ago
First of all Diafol, apologies for what is to come because your article deserves a proper and fuller response, and it isn’t going to get one
I just want to go back to last night’s performance and ignore your wider point (which I agree with to an extent).
I didn’t think we were nearly as poor last night as many are making out, first half in particular.
They created one good chance all good game, whilst we created comfortably enough to win the game several times over.
Rashford should have scored the early one on one, simple as. He could have cut back to Fellaini for a tap in with the keeper off his line minutes later, or squared a similar opportunity to Lingard for a tap in.
Fellaini missed another sitter with his volley from the keeper’s error. Mata should have done better with his volley. Martial ran into dead ends several times in the box when he could have got a shot away. Lingard fired a bullet right at the keeper that a yard either side flies in.
If we’d won, as we should have given the chances, 3-0 then people wouldn’t be talking about a poor performance.
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It was an abysmal performance. The fact that you are looking at a few chances is just pure desperation. We should be beating these sort of teams 3-0 minimum and it's all well and good looking at our chances but looks at theirs also. They were very wasteful in the final third. One in the first half where if the player let it go through his legs they would have had a tap in, the extraordinary save from de gea, the 4 on 3 where one if their players played an awful ball for Jones to chest it back. After 60 mins we had 1 shot on target and we had roughly the same amount of shots as them in the 2nd half in a pretty much must win game at home against Young Boys. Anybody who doesn't think that was awful last night really has set their standards so low.
Jose simply has to leave, the guy is a complete embarassment both on and off the pitch. The chucking of the water bottles was just stupid, the reactions to players mistakes stupid and then criticising pundits etc after the match again. The guy is just a little biiiitch who don't accept any form of criticism. Criticism that he deservedly gets due to his style if football and antics. I don't rate him as a manager anymore, talk about his history all you like, yes he was once great. He isn't now. He isn't in the top 5 in our league nevermind Europe. Clueless to what is going on around him and what is wrong. Constantly plays Matic week in week out, then alongside Fellaini. Why? It's proven to rarely work.
I work have never known any manager bar him to simply play players just to try and prove a point. He has done it with rashford on more than one occasion then made snidey comments after the game towards the fans pretty much saying he is right to play Lukaku. He did it towards he board by playing mctominay on more than one occasion again to the detriment to the team. The guy is a complete disaster yet Woodward won't pull his finger out his backside for some reason and get rid. Therefore we are left to put up with this utter Sheite for another 6 months and anyone who thinks it will get better us utterly deluded. I guarantee Saturday will be another abomination of a match, Matic and Fellaini guaranteed starters as is Lukaku after rashford failed to score.
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A few chances? Nah, fella.
We created more than 50% more chances than Bayern did in their 5-1 drubbing of Benfica last night, and had more than 50% more shots.
We created a lot of chances, and good ones. Our finishing was diabolical. But that doesn’t mean the performance was.
posted on 28/11/18
A half empty ot at full time tells you the story about the performance
posted on 28/11/18
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 56 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 4 minutes ago
First of all Diafol, apologies for what is to come because your article deserves a proper and fuller response, and it isn’t going to get one
I just want to go back to last night’s performance and ignore your wider point (which I agree with to an extent).
I didn’t think we were nearly as poor last night as many are making out, first half in particular.
They created one good chance all good game, whilst we created comfortably enough to win the game several times over.
Rashford should have scored the early one on one, simple as. He could have cut back to Fellaini for a tap in with the keeper off his line minutes later, or squared a similar opportunity to Lingard for a tap in.
Fellaini missed another sitter with his volley from the keeper’s error. Mata should have done better with his volley. Martial ran into dead ends several times in the box when he could have got a shot away. Lingard fired a bullet right at the keeper that a yard either side flies in.
If we’d won, as we should have given the chances, 3-0 then people wouldn’t be talking about a poor performance.
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It was an abysmal performance. The fact that you are looking at a few chances is just pure desperation. We should be beating these sort of teams 3-0 minimum and it's all well and good looking at our chances but looks at theirs also. They were very wasteful in the final third. One in the first half where if the player let it go through his legs they would have had a tap in, the extraordinary save from de gea, the 4 on 3 where one if their players played an awful ball for Jones to chest it back. After 60 mins we had 1 shot on target and we had roughly the same amount of shots as them in the 2nd half in a pretty much must win game at home against Young Boys. Anybody who doesn't think that was awful last night really has set their standards so low.
Jose simply has to leave, the guy is a complete embarassment both on and off the pitch. The chucking of the water bottles was just stupid, the reactions to players mistakes stupid and then criticising pundits etc after the match again. The guy is just a little biiiitch who don't accept any form of criticism. Criticism that he deservedly gets due to his style if football and antics. I don't rate him as a manager anymore, talk about his history all you like, yes he was once great. He isn't now. He isn't in the top 5 in our league nevermind Europe. Clueless to what is going on around him and what is wrong. Constantly plays Matic week in week out, then alongside Fellaini. Why? It's proven to rarely work.
I work have never known any manager bar him to simply play players just to try and prove a point. He has done it with rashford on more than one occasion then made snidey comments after the game towards the fans pretty much saying he is right to play Lukaku. He did it towards he board by playing mctominay on more than one occasion again to the detriment to the team. The guy is a complete disaster yet Woodward won't pull his finger out his backside for some reason and get rid. Therefore we are left to put up with this utter Sheite for another 6 months and anyone who thinks it will get better us utterly deluded. I guarantee Saturday will be another abomination of a match, Matic and Fellaini guaranteed starters as is Lukaku after rashford failed to score.
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A few chances? Nah, fella.
We created more than 50% more chances than Bayern did in their 5-1 drubbing of Benfica last night, and had more than 50% more shots.
We created a lot of chances, and good ones. Our finishing was diabolical. But that doesn’t mean the performance was.
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So we should be creating more chances. We were at home to Young Boys in what was an important game. We didn't create a lot of good chances whatsoever. In fact our best chance bar the goal came from a fluke of a flick on after 4 mins. If yoh honestly think that performance was anything above poor then you are deluded
posted on 28/11/18
There is one candidate that would be ideal as an interim manager. Steve Bruce.
United to the core and schooled by Sir Alex.
Would it make a difference, who knows but Mauren's third season has always been toxic.
posted on 28/11/18
Python
I’ve listed four what should have been sitters above, as well as other quality chances.
On top of that you can add a Lukaku free header at the near post and Rashford wasteful twice from the edge of the area when he has to test the keeper.
We should have scored at the very least three last night with the chances we created, which were plentiful and largely of a decent quality. We should also have created more quality chances with all the corners, free kicks from wide areas and crosses we had the opportunity to craft something from.
I’m not excusing those wasted opportunities, and I’m not arguing that they shouldn’t be called out, criticized and worked on. But the narrative I’m hearing is firstly that the performance was overwhelmingly a bad one. It wasn’t. The first half was very solid barring our abject wastefulness in the final third and particularly with our finishing. The second half was a little laboured at times, but again, with even half decent finishing it looks like a completely different game.
Secondly, I cannot believe I’m reading primarily criticisms of Fellaini, Matic and, generally, our midfield. They controlled the game, won the ball back quickly upfield, passed the ball positively, accurately and intelligently, and helped limit Young Boys to one decent chance all game.
At the same time, Martial, Rashford and Lingard contrived to waste chance after chance after chance. Without counting the myriad wasted final balls between the three of them, they collectively managed to get two of twelve chances on target. Two.
If people want to scapegoat anyone for last night’s performance the three of them were equally culpable for the lack of a very comfortable victory.
But that doesn’t suit the agenda does it? Martial = god, Matic = worst player in the PL, Jose = tactically clueless.
posted on 28/11/18
Here’s a stat for you, Martial and Rashford both either lost control of the ball or were tackled ten times last night.
The rest of the side, subs included, did the same thing a total of fifteen times.
Here’s another one: Fellaini had as many attempts on target as Rashford and Martial combined.
posted on 28/11/18
Rosso I think the frustration, from me at least, is that we've got to reach somewhat to call performances good. Had we scored maybe just one more then you could call it an efficient performance but we should be doing better IMO.
I see your point in that goals do change the perception of matches though but we really do need to aim much higher.
posted on 28/11/18
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 13 minutes ago
Python
I’ve listed four what should have been sitters above, as well as other quality chances.
On top of that you can add a Lukaku free header at the near post and Rashford wasteful twice from the edge of the area when he has to test the keeper.
We should have scored at the very least three last night with the chances we created, which were plentiful and largely of a decent quality. We should also have created more quality chances with all the corners, free kicks from wide areas and crosses we had the opportunity to craft something from.
I’m not excusing those wasted opportunities, and I’m not arguing that they shouldn’t be called out, criticized and worked on. But the narrative I’m hearing is firstly that the performance was overwhelmingly a bad one. It wasn’t. The first half was very solid barring our abject wastefulness in the final third and particularly with our finishing. The second half was a little laboured at times, but again, with even half decent finishing it looks like a completely different game.
Secondly, I cannot believe I’m reading primarily criticisms of Fellaini, Matic and, generally, our midfield. They controlled the game, won the ball back quickly upfield, passed the ball positively, accurately and intelligently, and helped limit Young Boys to one decent chance all game.
At the same time, Martial, Rashford and Lingard contrived to waste chance after chance after chance. Without counting the myriad wasted final balls between the three of them, they collectively managed to get two of twelve chances on target. Two.
If people want to scapegoat anyone for last night’s performance the three of them were equally culpable for the lack of a very comfortable victory.
But that doesn’t suit the agenda does it? Martial = god, Matic = worst player in the PL, Jose = tactically clueless.
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If you actually read what I put earlier then you will find i did criticise Martial. He was dreadful both last night and at the weekend. Difference is we all know his quality plus he pretty much has kept Jose in a job. Matuc and Fellaini on the other hand are awful. Last night they were average at best. Any better opposition last night would have punished us. Did you see how many times they got between the lines simply because them 2 carthorses in the middle are too slow to get back.
We could all pick moments in a game where players should have done better. To me it seems you are clutching at straws. To me that last night was simply poor.
posted on 28/11/18
Rosso
So long as Fellaini is a United starter we will remain in the mess we are now.
posted on 28/11/18
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 10 minutes ago
Here’s a stat for you, Martial and Rashford both either lost control of the ball or were tackled ten times last night.
The rest of the side, subs included, did the same thing a total of fifteen times.
Here’s another one: Fellaini had as many attempts on target as Rashford and Martial combined.
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You will probably find that attacking players in every game get tackled more than anyone else. Hardly some amazing stat. Another straw clutch there lad
posted on 28/11/18
It appears that Rosso is now filling in the idiocy void left by the lad who runs away.
Last week he was trying to justify Groot playing just to shield Lindelof. I kid you not.
This is how far some of our fans will go in support of idiotic decisions this manager keeps making.
posted on 28/11/18
It isn’t straw clutching; it’s called objectivity. Setting aside bias and agendas and actually watching and analyzing football matches.
I’m not arguing Fellaini and Matic are great players. I’m not arguing that Martial isn’t comfortably more talented and less valuable to the squad and club. Personally, I’d rather we lost Fellaini and Matic on free transfers than accept a £100m bid for Martial.
But I cannot help anyone who thinks the midfield was *the* or really any kind of issue last night.
The three of them did what wrong, exactly? They kept the ball very well, switched the play intelligently, played it neatly between the lines, mixed it up feeding the forwards early when the opportunities arose, got up the pitch in support, won the ball back in the middle third successfully, created chances... You can talk about Young Boys breaking on the counter, but they produced one good chance all game. One. And the midfield three allowed one shot on target before the subs.
Last night’s poor result was the result of abject wastefulness in front of goal from the front three. They, along with Valencia, were our worst players last night.
posted on 28/11/18
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 5 minutes ago
It appears that Rosso is now filling in the idiocy void left by the lad who runs away.
Last week he was trying to justify Groot playing just to shield Lindelof. I kid you not.
This is how far some of our fans will go in support of idiotic decisions this manager keeps making.
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I’m not engaging in a playground back and forth with you VC, sorry.
posted on 28/11/18
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 9 minutes ago
It isn’t straw clutching; it’s called objectivity. Setting aside bias and agendas and actually watching and analyzing football matches.
I’m not arguing Fellaini and Matic are great players. I’m not arguing that Martial isn’t comfortably more talented and less valuable to the squad and club. Personally, I’d rather we lost Fellaini and Matic on free transfers than accept a £100m bid for Martial.
But I cannot help anyone who thinks the midfield was *the* or really any kind of issue last night.
The three of them did what wrong, exactly? They kept the ball very well, switched the play intelligently, played it neatly between the lines, mixed it up feeding the forwards early when the opportunities arose, got up the pitch in support, won the ball back in the middle third successfully, created chances... You can talk about Young Boys breaking on the counter, but they produced one good chance all game. One. And the midfield three allowed one shot on target before the subs.
Last night’s poor result was the result of abject wastefulness in front of goal from the front three. They, along with Valencia, were our worst players last night.
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Matic was ok first half. Awful 2nd half. Did you not see the game and see on a fair few occasions their midfielders breaking the lines of our midfield? DDG made a fantastic save, if their player let it go rather than back heeling it they would have had a tap in and they had a 4 on 3 but fir a shocking ball that Jones cut out with his chest.
As for Fellaini he was abysmal last night and I'm not letting a last min winner skew my judgement. How many fecking times did he get caught offside and an attack breakdown? He played predominantly in the no. 10 role. What the feck does he create? No wonder our player is so slow and ponderous, them two are the main culprits for it. We were decent first half, second half utterly awful and quite frankly they were just as good as us in that 2nd. Awful to think that at OT young boys could have quite easily and should have come away with something
posted on 28/11/18
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 5 minutes ago
It appears that Rosso is now filling in the idiocy void left by the lad who runs away.
Last week he was trying to justify Groot playing just to shield Lindelof. I kid you not.
This is how far some of our fans will go in support of idiotic decisions this manager keeps making.
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I’m not engaging in a playground back and forth with you VC, sorry.
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Stop being a prat then.
posted on 28/11/18
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
Here’s a stat for you, Martial and Rashford both either lost control of the ball or were tackled ten times last night.
The rest of the side, subs included, did the same thing a total of fifteen times.
Here’s another one: Fellaini had as many attempts on target as Rashford and Martial combined.
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Dont need a stay to tell you that players who dribble and make runs onto the ball tend to lose the ball more often.
Rashford finish was diabolical last night, his overall game was good which is a positive.
posted on 28/11/18
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
Here’s a stat for you, Martial and Rashford both either lost control of the ball or were tackled ten times last night.
The rest of the side, subs included, did the same thing a total of fifteen times.
Here’s another one: Fellaini had as many attempts on target as Rashford and Martial combined.
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Dont need a stay to tell you that players who dribble and make runs onto the ball tend to lose the ball more often.
Rashford finish was diabolical last night, his overall game was good which is a positive.
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I am aware of that.
But when you add Lukaku, Fellaini, Matic, Lingard, Pogba and Fred - all players who are (often fairly) accused of giving the ball away carelessly and too frequently - to the rest of the players playing last night, and still you don’t get near the number that those two players between them managed, that says something.
Rashford’s link up play with Lingard was decent, and his attitude and directness, as usual, were a breath of fresh air. Otherwise he had a shocker.
And Martial just had a really poor game. He looked lost and on a different wavelength to the players around him too often. He ran into I don’t know how many dead ends when he needed to pass the ball or get a shot away.
They were dreadful. It happens. They are young, and all young players barring next to none are inconsistent. I’m not slating their work ethics, ability or even current form. I love the pair of them and think they should have big futures at United.
I’m just saying they had really poor performances last night, in isolation, and it really cost us.
posted on 28/11/18
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
Here’s a stat for you, Martial and Rashford both either lost control of the ball or were tackled ten times last night.
The rest of the side, subs included, did the same thing a total of fifteen times.
Here’s another one: Fellaini had as many attempts on target as Rashford and Martial combined.
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Dont need a stay to tell you that players who dribble and make runs onto the ball tend to lose the ball more often.
Rashford finish was diabolical last night, his overall game was good which is a positive.
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I am aware of that.
But when you add Lukaku, Fellaini, Matic, Lingard, Pogba and Fred - all players who are (often fairly) accused of giving the ball away carelessly and too frequently - to the rest of the players playing last night, and still you don’t get near the number that those two players between them managed, that says something.
Rashford’s link up play with Lingard was decent, and his attitude and directness, as usual, were a breath of fresh air. Otherwise he had a shocker.
And Martial just had a really poor game. He looked lost and on a different wavelength to the players around him too often. He ran into I don’t know how many dead ends when he needed to pass the ball or get a shot away.
They were dreadful. It happens. They are young, and all young players barring next to none are inconsistent. I’m not slating their work ethics, ability or even current form. I love the pair of them and think they should have big futures at United.
I’m just saying they had really poor performances last night, in isolation, and it really cost us.
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I have absolutely no issue with players giving away possession if they are actually trying something whether it be a take on or defence splittinv pass etc. Our problem is the fact we plag it far too safe far too often. Did you know De Bruyne gave the ball away more than any other player in the league last season?
posted on 28/11/18
I don’t have a problem with players giving the ball away when they also contribute to the bottom line not even nearly as emphatically as De Bruyne.
The fact of the matter is that Rashford and Martial didn’t last night.
If Sanchez had put in the very same performance as either of those two, he’d have been torn to absolute shreds on here.
I’m not arguing that that would be fair, or otherwise. Just highlighting the double standards that people (seemingly subconsciously) apply that result in them for example blaming Fellaini and Matic for last night’s result, rather than the forwards.
posted on 28/11/18
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
It appears that Rosso is now filling in the idiocy void left by the lad who runs away.
Last week he was trying to justify Groot playing just to shield Lindelof. I kid you not.
This is how far some of our fans will go in support of idiotic decisions this manager keeps making.
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That’s exactly what Mourinho did with Fellaini against Watford in September, to very good effect: used his height and physicality to help Lindelof out against a team that would use an aerial ball on the counter.
Why so strange to suggest that Mourinho might do the same thing again, or that it might work?
posted on 28/11/18
It was young boys of Switzerland we played last night ?
Just checking
posted on 28/11/18
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 25 minutes ago
I don’t have a problem with players giving the ball away when they also contribute to the bottom line not even nearly as emphatically as De Bruyne.
The fact of the matter is that Rashford and Martial didn’t last night.
If Sanchez had put in the very same performance as either of those two, he’d have been torn to absolute shreds on here.
I’m not arguing that that would be fair, or otherwise. Just highlighting the double standards that people (seemingly subconsciously) apply that result in them for example blaming Fellaini and Matic for last night’s result, rather than the forwards.
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Well i for one hve not blamed fellaini or matic. The reason rashford and more so martial don't get as much stick is because they are youngsters, the future of the club and martial has been superb the kast 4-6 weeks. Matic and fellaini are more often than not average or shocking and deserve all the stick they get especially when imo there are better players behind them
posted on 28/11/18
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 25 minutes ago
I don’t have a problem with players giving the ball away when they also contribute to the bottom line not even nearly as emphatically as De Bruyne.
The fact of the matter is that Rashford and Martial didn’t last night.
If Sanchez had put in the very same performance as either of those two, he’d have been torn to absolute shreds on here.
I’m not arguing that that would be fair, or otherwise. Just highlighting the double standards that people (seemingly subconsciously) apply that result in them for example blaming Fellaini and Matic for last night’s result, rather than the forwards.
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Well i for one hve not blamed fellaini or matic. The reason rashford and more so martial don't get as much stick is because they are youngsters, the future of the club and martial has been superb the kast 4-6 weeks. Matic and fellaini are more often than not average or shocking and deserve all the stick they get especially when imo there are better players behind them
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When they have played poorly, people are well within their rights to give them stick, of course.
posted on 28/11/18
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 25 minutes ago
I don’t have a problem with players giving the ball away when they also contribute to the bottom line not even nearly as emphatically as De Bruyne.
The fact of the matter is that Rashford and Martial didn’t last night.
If Sanchez had put in the very same performance as either of those two, he’d have been torn to absolute shreds on here.
I’m not arguing that that would be fair, or otherwise. Just highlighting the double standards that people (seemingly subconsciously) apply that result in them for example blaming Fellaini and Matic for last night’s result, rather than the forwards.
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Well i for one hve not blamed fellaini or matic. The reason rashford and more so martial don't get as much stick is because they are youngsters, the future of the club and martial has been superb the kast 4-6 weeks. Matic and fellaini are more often than not average or shocking and deserve all the stick they get especially when imo there are better players behind them
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When they have played poorly, people are well within their rights to give them stick, of course.
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Yep and i thought they were poor last night. Especially fellaini. The only outfield players that come out with any credit for last nights game imo were jones, smalling, shaw and possibly Fred
posted on 28/11/18
I thought all three midfielders did well, as did the back line barring Valencia. DDG had literally nothing to do barring the one save, which was of course spectacular.
Pogba and Mata didn’t really change the game for the better when they came on, but the three who really let us down were the trio who started up top, absolutely no question.
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