comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 16 minutes ago
That's all very nice, and I'm sure it helps them sleep better a night, but history will show that as of yet they have achieved sweet FA in the last 20 years or so.
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They've achieved building a new stadium, breaking into the top four consistently on a budget dwarfed by their rivals. They've achieved more than almost any other Prem side in the last few years
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Just to re-cap...
Arsenal built a new stadium, finished in the top 4 for 20 odd seasons, despite our self-sustaining model meaning our budget was below that of our rivals (Chelsea, Man U, Liverpool and, latterly Man City) yet this was never viewed as being much of an achievement at all by anyone not connected to the club.
So either revisionist towards Arsenal, or patronising towards Spurs. Can't quite decide which it is.
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I disagree, think most people with any common sense do recognise it as an achievement, and most people praised Wenger for keeping Arsenal competitive with limited resources. I think the issues were it went on too long; Arsenal fans were told the Emirates would take them to a Bayern level, but they went a decade without a trophy which is too long for a club regarded as the 3rd biggest in England, and Wenger stayed too long and allowed the team to go stale and drop out of CL football.
Yes you won 3 FA cups in 4 years, but from where you were coming from - The Invincibles and moving into the new stadium, 3 FA cups in 14 years was way below expectations. Spurs had a different starting position, and have actually progressed on the pitch while doing the stadium whereas Arsenal regressed and had higher expectations to begin with, hence a different attitude to it from some quarters.
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We were definitely sold 'the dream'. Whether in good faith or not is hard to judge now tbh. And I do now wonder whether it was merely to help placate Arsenal supporters' fears about leaving the spiritual home of Highbury Stadium.
It's one of the reasons I've never really warmed to The Emirates. The ones that really seem to have benefited most from the move were a few very rich people that subsequently became even richer.
Spurs' trajectory is different to what ours was then, and I do appreciate that. In some ways it would be nice to see the new stadium help the club succeed (urgh) just to show that there is still the possibility of organic growth in English football.
But you know...
Looking for the Positives
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posted on 11/1/19
comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 16 minutes ago
That's all very nice, and I'm sure it helps them sleep better a night, but history will show that as of yet they have achieved sweet FA in the last 20 years or so.
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They've achieved building a new stadium, breaking into the top four consistently on a budget dwarfed by their rivals. They've achieved more than almost any other Prem side in the last few years
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Just to re-cap...
Arsenal built a new stadium, finished in the top 4 for 20 odd seasons, despite our self-sustaining model meaning our budget was below that of our rivals (Chelsea, Man U, Liverpool and, latterly Man City) yet this was never viewed as being much of an achievement at all by anyone not connected to the club.
So either revisionist towards Arsenal, or patronising towards Spurs. Can't quite decide which it is.
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I disagree, think most people with any common sense do recognise it as an achievement, and most people praised Wenger for keeping Arsenal competitive with limited resources. I think the issues were it went on too long; Arsenal fans were told the Emirates would take them to a Bayern level, but they went a decade without a trophy which is too long for a club regarded as the 3rd biggest in England, and Wenger stayed too long and allowed the team to go stale and drop out of CL football.
Yes you won 3 FA cups in 4 years, but from where you were coming from - The Invincibles and moving into the new stadium, 3 FA cups in 14 years was way below expectations. Spurs had a different starting position, and have actually progressed on the pitch while doing the stadium whereas Arsenal regressed and had higher expectations to begin with, hence a different attitude to it from some quarters.
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We were definitely sold 'the dream'. Whether in good faith or not is hard to judge now tbh. And I do now wonder whether it was merely to help placate Arsenal supporters' fears about leaving the spiritual home of Highbury Stadium.
It's one of the reasons I've never really warmed to The Emirates. The ones that really seem to have benefited most from the move were a few very rich people that subsequently became even richer.
Spurs' trajectory is different to what ours was then, and I do appreciate that. In some ways it would be nice to see the new stadium help the club succeed (urgh) just to show that there is still the possibility of organic growth in English football.
But you know...
posted on 11/1/19
Arsenal extended the stadium naming rights to 2018, Tu Meke.
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