The squad is poor due to the spending restrictions that were placed on us for many many years. By the time we started spending it was too late and the amounts wernt that great when you think West ham and Everton were matching our spending at different periods
Agree fully with this. Add that under Wenger we made some panic buys due to another injury crisis like Mustafi.
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Then if anything the break from football might do Kane some good?
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There is a difference between a break, and a pre-season. Kane can't run or condition during his injury. This is why athletes take time to get to 'match fitness' after they recover from injury.
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But I already told you how he recovered from a previous injury by coming back in better form than ever. When he returned after a month out in 2016-17 he got 10 in 8.
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There was no world cup that season!
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And yet he has been scoring goals this season including in August for a change, so the World Cup hasn't been that impactful.
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Its because of the world cup he was already in form rather than returning from a rested summer, conditioning in preseason and then warming as the season progressed. (his normal slow start allowing him to maintain form till May) Injuries and loss form are bound to occur late in the season because he has not had the rest in the summer, condition training in pre-sesason. This is the same position Alli is in and in fact Trippier etc.
Wenger spent loads of money. He just wasted it.
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Wenger spent loads of money. He just wasted it.
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If you consider Auba, Laca and Özil being flops than yes.
Xhaka, Mustafi, Mkhi, Welbeck...
I am not saying he hasnt made any mistake. Mhki was a deal to exchange him with Sanchez. Welbeck cost a reasonable price and in my view could have done better but bad luck with longterm injuries done him. Mustafi is Wenger's biggest mistake but he was a panic buy when another injury crisis at the back forced him to buy a CB that time. Some call Xhaka a flop, some dont. Price for him is a realistic market price.
Name me one manager who hadnt make mistakes with players?
You said he had spending restrictions, you've just shown that he didn't.
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You said he had spending restrictions, you've just shown that he didn't.
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OK if you want to use West ham and Everton type spending as a barometer then we didn't have restrictions . If you are more realistic and look at the spending of united city Chelsea and pool then our spending is miles behind them..
It’d be easier to just say Sanchez is the only good signing Wenger has made since he started spending loads of cash.
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It’d be easier to just say Sanchez is the only good signing Wenger has made since he started spending loads of cash.
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Fair enough and I respect your opinion.
I think it's bollox.
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You said he had spending restrictions, you've just shown that he didn't.
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OK if you want to use West ham and Everton type spending as a barometer then we didn't have restrictions . If you are more realistic and look at the spending of united city Chelsea and pool then our spending is miles behind them..
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That's not the point.
Wenger blew about £130M of the clubs hard earned cash on Xhaka, Mustafi, Welbeck, Chambers, Perez.
Given that, I'm almost kind of glad he didn't have more to spend.
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You said he had spending restrictions, you've just shown that he didn't.
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OK if you want to use West ham and Everton type spending as a barometer then we didn't have restrictions . If you are more realistic and look at the spending of united city Chelsea and pool then our spending is miles behind them..
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That's not the point.
Wenger blew about £130M of the clubs hard earned cash on Xhaka, Mustafi, Welbeck, Chambers, Perez.
Given that, I'm almost kind of glad he didn't have more to spend.
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It's only a case of what you think it's wasted money.
Some argue that Emery already wasted 70M on Lichtsteiner, Sokratis, Torreira and Leno
You would, you rate Xhaka.
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You would, you rate Xhaka.
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I dont think he is a flop neither I think that of Welbeck
Why? They are both bad at football.
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You said he had spending restrictions, you've just shown that he didn't.
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OK if you want to use West ham and Everton type spending as a barometer then we didn't have restrictions . If you are more realistic and look at the spending of united city Chelsea and pool then our spending is miles behind them..
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That's not the point.
Wenger blew about £130M of the clubs hard earned cash on Xhaka, Mustafi, Welbeck, Chambers, Perez.
Given that, I'm almost kind of glad he didn't have more to spend.
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It's only a case of what you think it's wasted money.
Some argue that Emery already wasted 70M on Lichtsteiner, Sokratis, Torreira and Leno
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Indeed. Most people would form a link between us signing these players and our eventual decline from a top champions league team to a Europa league team. They would then conclude that they have been a waste of money.
There are some people out there though, GT, that can't quite do this.
*top 4 champions league team
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You said he had spending restrictions, you've just shown that he didn't.
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OK if you want to use West ham and Everton type spending as a barometer then we didn't have restrictions . If you are more realistic and look at the spending of united city Chelsea and pool then our spending is miles behind them..
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Lol our net spend is bigger than Chelsea, Liverpool and Spurs over the last 5 years and our wages are higher than at least 2 of those 3 so god only knows how they can compete with the big spenders of this world like west Ham and Everton
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You said he had spending restrictions, you've just shown that he didn't.
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OK if you want to use West ham and Everton type spending as a barometer then we didn't have restrictions . If you are more realistic and look at the spending of united city Chelsea and pool then our spending is miles behind them..
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That's not the point.
Wenger blew about £130M of the clubs hard earned cash on Xhaka, Mustafi, Welbeck, Chambers, Perez.
Given that, I'm almost kind of glad he didn't have more to spend.
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It's only a case of what you think it's wasted money.
Some argue that Emery already wasted 70M on Lichtsteiner, Sokratis, Torreira and Leno
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Indeed. Most people would form a link between us signing these players and our eventual decline from a top champions league team to a Europa league team. They would then conclude that they have been a waste of money.
There are some people out there though, GT, that can't quite do this.
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So how get we out of that spiral becoming mediocrity? In buying more dross?
I tell you something. Without heavy investment and spending beyond requirements all over the place we debate again and again. PL teams can equally spend what we do. So we have to aim higher and not try to solve problems with players other clubs want to get rid of.
Wenger worked miracles in getting CL places with far weaker teams than we have currently.
Not really. You still had a better team than Villa, Everton and Spurs. They were the competition.
Perez is a good player tbf. Wenger just never gave him a chance.
Mustafi is a good player as well.
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You said he had spending restrictions, you've just shown that he didn't.
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OK if you want to use West ham and Everton type spending as a barometer then we didn't have restrictions . If you are more realistic and look at the spending of united city Chelsea and pool then our spending is miles behind them..
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Lol our net spend is bigger than Chelsea, Liverpool and Spurs over the last 5 years and our wages are higher than at least 2 of those 3 so god only knows how they can compete with the big spenders of this world like west Ham and Everton
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Ffs our net spend in 5 years was not bigger than Chelsea and is about the same as Liverpool. Net spend is a poor marker to use anyway as we didn't buy players with World class potential to then go and sell for extortionate amounts and bring our net spend down
Total expenditure is key here as it determines the type of player you get. Right now upwards of 70 million gets you a world class player in defence or in goal like Liverpool have bought. These players are what create title challenges as you can see with pool. Xhaka and mustafi for 30 odd million are small West ham /Everton style buys not title challenging buys
Our wages are fifth highest in league only spurs are below us and they are notorious for underpaying. Why do you just simply make stuff up? The evidence is all out there
Mane £35M
Sane £35M
Salah £35M
Son £25M
But we spent £35M on Mustafi? £35M on Xhaka? £20M on Welbeck? £20M on Chambers? £20M on Perez?
We have had money to spend, we spent it on rubbish.
I take your point about big signings now, but you have to complement them with "everton/west ham" level players as you stupidly put it. We had that chance and we blew it.
So how get we out of that spiral becoming mediocrity? In buying more dross?
I tell you something. Without heavy investment and spending beyond requirements all over the place we debate again and again. PL teams can equally spend what we do. So we have to aim higher and not try to solve problems with players other clubs want to get rid of.
Wenger worked miracles in getting CL places with far weaker teams than we have currently.
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Clear off players who aren't good enough, get them off the ludicrously high wages we've given them.
Bring in players who first and foremost can cope with the physical demands of the league, with a view to being good on the ball too. Torreira looks top class, Guendouzi looks like he can get there with more development. It's a mix of good scouting and shrewd transfer dealings.
To challenge for the league we will need the signings you speak of, but we need to learn how to crawl before we can walk.
Wenger didn't work miracles, that's absurd. He did do a good job, however. When he started spending big money on midfielders and defenders, that's when it unfortunately started going downhill.
Total expenditure is key here as it determines the type of player you get. Right now upwards of 70 million gets you a world class player in defence or in goal like Liverpool have bought. These players are what create title challenges as you can see with pool. Xhaka and mustafi for 30 odd million are small West ham /Everton style buys not title challenging buys
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You are judging the fees on today's market. When we signed Xhaka and Mustafi they were in the top 20 fees ever paid,mans among the top for their positions,
Even Leno was top 5 most expensive keeper fees before Allisson and then Kepa changed the market.
Liverpools average net spend per season is £30m over 5 years. Ours is £45m, significantly higher. However, Liverpool have signed a player for £8m and sold him for £100 and whatever million. Our biggest profit on a player recently is about £10m.
It is clear investment isn't the issue, but how it is invested.Players on massive wages that can't be sold, over paying on players who haven't been a success, inability to get decent prices for players we sell.
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posted on 26/1/19
The squad is poor due to the spending restrictions that were placed on us for many many years. By the time we started spending it was too late and the amounts wernt that great when you think West ham and Everton were matching our spending at different periods
Agree fully with this. Add that under Wenger we made some panic buys due to another injury crisis like Mustafi.
posted on 26/1/19
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Then if anything the break from football might do Kane some good?
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There is a difference between a break, and a pre-season. Kane can't run or condition during his injury. This is why athletes take time to get to 'match fitness' after they recover from injury.
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But I already told you how he recovered from a previous injury by coming back in better form than ever. When he returned after a month out in 2016-17 he got 10 in 8.
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There was no world cup that season!
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And yet he has been scoring goals this season including in August for a change, so the World Cup hasn't been that impactful.
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Its because of the world cup he was already in form rather than returning from a rested summer, conditioning in preseason and then warming as the season progressed. (his normal slow start allowing him to maintain form till May) Injuries and loss form are bound to occur late in the season because he has not had the rest in the summer, condition training in pre-sesason. This is the same position Alli is in and in fact Trippier etc.
posted on 26/1/19
Wenger spent loads of money. He just wasted it.
posted on 26/1/19
comment by Ed The King Woodward (U10026)
posted 21 minutes ago
Wenger spent loads of money. He just wasted it.
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If you consider Auba, Laca and Özil being flops than yes.
posted on 26/1/19
Xhaka, Mustafi, Mkhi, Welbeck...
posted on 26/1/19
I am not saying he hasnt made any mistake. Mhki was a deal to exchange him with Sanchez. Welbeck cost a reasonable price and in my view could have done better but bad luck with longterm injuries done him. Mustafi is Wenger's biggest mistake but he was a panic buy when another injury crisis at the back forced him to buy a CB that time. Some call Xhaka a flop, some dont. Price for him is a realistic market price.
Name me one manager who hadnt make mistakes with players?
posted on 26/1/19
You said he had spending restrictions, you've just shown that he didn't.
posted on 26/1/19
comment by Tu Meke Mesut (U3732)
posted 3 minutes ago
You said he had spending restrictions, you've just shown that he didn't.
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OK if you want to use West ham and Everton type spending as a barometer then we didn't have restrictions . If you are more realistic and look at the spending of united city Chelsea and pool then our spending is miles behind them..
posted on 26/1/19
It’d be easier to just say Sanchez is the only good signing Wenger has made since he started spending loads of cash.
posted on 26/1/19
comment by Ed The King Woodward (U10026)
posted 52 seconds ago
It’d be easier to just say Sanchez is the only good signing Wenger has made since he started spending loads of cash.
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Fair enough and I respect your opinion.
I think it's bollox.
posted on 26/1/19
comment by The Godfather (U10154)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Tu Meke Mesut(U3732)
posted 3 minutes ago
You said he had spending restrictions, you've just shown that he didn't.
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OK if you want to use West ham and Everton type spending as a barometer then we didn't have restrictions . If you are more realistic and look at the spending of united city Chelsea and pool then our spending is miles behind them..
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That's not the point.
Wenger blew about £130M of the clubs hard earned cash on Xhaka, Mustafi, Welbeck, Chambers, Perez.
Given that, I'm almost kind of glad he didn't have more to spend.
posted on 26/1/19
comment by Tu Meke Mesut (U3732)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by The Godfather (U10154)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Tu Meke Mesut(U3732)
posted 3 minutes ago
You said he had spending restrictions, you've just shown that he didn't.
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OK if you want to use West ham and Everton type spending as a barometer then we didn't have restrictions . If you are more realistic and look at the spending of united city Chelsea and pool then our spending is miles behind them..
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That's not the point.
Wenger blew about £130M of the clubs hard earned cash on Xhaka, Mustafi, Welbeck, Chambers, Perez.
Given that, I'm almost kind of glad he didn't have more to spend.
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It's only a case of what you think it's wasted money.
Some argue that Emery already wasted 70M on Lichtsteiner, Sokratis, Torreira and Leno
posted on 26/1/19
You would, you rate Xhaka.
posted on 26/1/19
comment by Ed The King Woodward (U10026)
posted 41 seconds ago
You would, you rate Xhaka.
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I dont think he is a flop neither I think that of Welbeck
posted on 26/1/19
Why? They are both bad at football.
posted on 26/1/19
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Tu Meke Mesut(U3732)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by The Godfather (U10154)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Tu Meke Mesut(U3732)
posted 3 minutes ago
You said he had spending restrictions, you've just shown that he didn't.
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OK if you want to use West ham and Everton type spending as a barometer then we didn't have restrictions . If you are more realistic and look at the spending of united city Chelsea and pool then our spending is miles behind them..
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That's not the point.
Wenger blew about £130M of the clubs hard earned cash on Xhaka, Mustafi, Welbeck, Chambers, Perez.
Given that, I'm almost kind of glad he didn't have more to spend.
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It's only a case of what you think it's wasted money.
Some argue that Emery already wasted 70M on Lichtsteiner, Sokratis, Torreira and Leno
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Indeed. Most people would form a link between us signing these players and our eventual decline from a top champions league team to a Europa league team. They would then conclude that they have been a waste of money.
There are some people out there though, GT, that can't quite do this.
posted on 26/1/19
*top 4 champions league team
posted on 26/1/19
comment by The Godfather (U10154)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Tu Meke Mesut(U3732)
posted 3 minutes ago
You said he had spending restrictions, you've just shown that he didn't.
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OK if you want to use West ham and Everton type spending as a barometer then we didn't have restrictions . If you are more realistic and look at the spending of united city Chelsea and pool then our spending is miles behind them..
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Lol our net spend is bigger than Chelsea, Liverpool and Spurs over the last 5 years and our wages are higher than at least 2 of those 3 so god only knows how they can compete with the big spenders of this world like west Ham and Everton
posted on 26/1/19
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posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 3 minutes ago
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posted 12 seconds ago
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posted 41 seconds ago
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You said he had spending restrictions, you've just shown that he didn't.
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OK if you want to use West ham and Everton type spending as a barometer then we didn't have restrictions . If you are more realistic and look at the spending of united city Chelsea and pool then our spending is miles behind them..
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That's not the point.
Wenger blew about £130M of the clubs hard earned cash on Xhaka, Mustafi, Welbeck, Chambers, Perez.
Given that, I'm almost kind of glad he didn't have more to spend.
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It's only a case of what you think it's wasted money.
Some argue that Emery already wasted 70M on Lichtsteiner, Sokratis, Torreira and Leno
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Indeed. Most people would form a link between us signing these players and our eventual decline from a top champions league team to a Europa league team. They would then conclude that they have been a waste of money.
There are some people out there though, GT, that can't quite do this.
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So how get we out of that spiral becoming mediocrity? In buying more dross?
I tell you something. Without heavy investment and spending beyond requirements all over the place we debate again and again. PL teams can equally spend what we do. So we have to aim higher and not try to solve problems with players other clubs want to get rid of.
Wenger worked miracles in getting CL places with far weaker teams than we have currently.
posted on 26/1/19
Not really. You still had a better team than Villa, Everton and Spurs. They were the competition.
posted on 26/1/19
Perez is a good player tbf. Wenger just never gave him a chance.
Mustafi is a good player as well.
posted on 27/1/19
comment by Bats (U18355)
posted 5 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by The Godfather (U10154)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Tu Meke Mesut(U3732)
posted 3 minutes ago
You said he had spending restrictions, you've just shown that he didn't.
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OK if you want to use West ham and Everton type spending as a barometer then we didn't have restrictions . If you are more realistic and look at the spending of united city Chelsea and pool then our spending is miles behind them..
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Lol our net spend is bigger than Chelsea, Liverpool and Spurs over the last 5 years and our wages are higher than at least 2 of those 3 so god only knows how they can compete with the big spenders of this world like west Ham and Everton
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Ffs our net spend in 5 years was not bigger than Chelsea and is about the same as Liverpool. Net spend is a poor marker to use anyway as we didn't buy players with World class potential to then go and sell for extortionate amounts and bring our net spend down
Total expenditure is key here as it determines the type of player you get. Right now upwards of 70 million gets you a world class player in defence or in goal like Liverpool have bought. These players are what create title challenges as you can see with pool. Xhaka and mustafi for 30 odd million are small West ham /Everton style buys not title challenging buys
Our wages are fifth highest in league only spurs are below us and they are notorious for underpaying. Why do you just simply make stuff up? The evidence is all out there
posted on 27/1/19
Mane £35M
Sane £35M
Salah £35M
Son £25M
But we spent £35M on Mustafi? £35M on Xhaka? £20M on Welbeck? £20M on Chambers? £20M on Perez?
We have had money to spend, we spent it on rubbish.
I take your point about big signings now, but you have to complement them with "everton/west ham" level players as you stupidly put it. We had that chance and we blew it.
posted on 27/1/19
So how get we out of that spiral becoming mediocrity? In buying more dross?
I tell you something. Without heavy investment and spending beyond requirements all over the place we debate again and again. PL teams can equally spend what we do. So we have to aim higher and not try to solve problems with players other clubs want to get rid of.
Wenger worked miracles in getting CL places with far weaker teams than we have currently.
===
Clear off players who aren't good enough, get them off the ludicrously high wages we've given them.
Bring in players who first and foremost can cope with the physical demands of the league, with a view to being good on the ball too. Torreira looks top class, Guendouzi looks like he can get there with more development. It's a mix of good scouting and shrewd transfer dealings.
To challenge for the league we will need the signings you speak of, but we need to learn how to crawl before we can walk.
Wenger didn't work miracles, that's absurd. He did do a good job, however. When he started spending big money on midfielders and defenders, that's when it unfortunately started going downhill.
posted on 27/1/19
Total expenditure is key here as it determines the type of player you get. Right now upwards of 70 million gets you a world class player in defence or in goal like Liverpool have bought. These players are what create title challenges as you can see with pool. Xhaka and mustafi for 30 odd million are small West ham /Everton style buys not title challenging buys
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You are judging the fees on today's market. When we signed Xhaka and Mustafi they were in the top 20 fees ever paid,mans among the top for their positions,
Even Leno was top 5 most expensive keeper fees before Allisson and then Kepa changed the market.
Liverpools average net spend per season is £30m over 5 years. Ours is £45m, significantly higher. However, Liverpool have signed a player for £8m and sold him for £100 and whatever million. Our biggest profit on a player recently is about £10m.
It is clear investment isn't the issue, but how it is invested.Players on massive wages that can't be sold, over paying on players who haven't been a success, inability to get decent prices for players we sell.
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