I dont think Pogba's technique hinders him at all, shiiit happens and penalties get saved,... if it was a hinderance for him dont you think he would change his approach?
as for your other choices the likes of mata and moreso Pereira will have limited game time, we need players who are going to be consistantly playing to be taking them
Depends who starts. Mata for most FKs IF he is on the pitch. Rashford has a bit of a Ronaldo-esque style, which can be a bit erratic. I don't know why Pogba doesn't take more. Young if he plays is also a good option.
Penalties: I would give to either Rashford or Martial.
Corners: We are just terrible at, we have no stand out corner takers.
Pogba's scored 6 of 8, this season... and scored the rebound of one of the misses. Don't change what's not broken.
He doesn't do much of a stuttered run up any more... Just picks his spot and scores his goal.
What's wrong with Pogba's penalties, he's scoring the majority of them isn't he? Just because his run up is unorthodox doesn't mean it doesn't work, his pen on the weekend was great, as was the one before.
We are useless at attacking and defending corners so might as well let Fred the red take them. Amazing that we have such a tall squad but we are so useless.
Very few teams are that productive at corners, they're simply not as effective as they once were.
The corners thing does my head in. I used to play with a lad who was unbelievable at corners from either side. He banged them all with the right foot, using either the inside or the outside, and pretty much every single one I saw him take went in the channel between the 6 yard box and the penalty spot. He was a very good footballer, but didn't get paid to play. I just find it odd that he could deliver great crosses time after time, yet our professionals that get paid so much hardly ever put in a decent corner.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
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The corners thing does my head in. I used to play with a lad who was unbelievable at corners from either side. He banged them all with the right foot, using either the inside or the outside, and pretty much every single one I saw him take went in the channel between the 6 yard box and the penalty spot. He was a very good footballer, but didn't get paid to play. I just find it odd that he could deliver great crosses time after time, yet our professionals that get paid so much hardly ever put in a decent corner.
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How fast was he whipping them in though? It's pretty easy to hit the 6 yard box, but unless the pace on the ball is very fast, a PL defender will easily get it away.
We need reliable penalty takers...Pogba. Would be the ideal.
FTR...Our best takers in the recent past were:
CANTONA - 14 out of 16 (87.5%)
RONALDO - 11 out of 13 (84.6%)
NISTELROOY - 18 out of 22 (81.8%)
IRWIN - 7 out of 9 (77.8%)
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2017/mar/27/in-defence-of-the-corner-a-much-maligned-set-piece
I'd imagine that the higher the level of football the lesser the chances for scoring at corners too as the quality of every factor is greatly improved. When players are slower, defending is worse, movement is less then the need for a pin point cross is less to cause greater damage.
Young used to be really good at freekicks tbf
Corners are just an effective way of conceding possession. I would much rather we were playing out from the corner than swinging it in and hoping that we beat the unfavourable odds.
The stats don't support your argument that Pogba's technique is a hindrance. Vardy took an "orthodox" penalty yesterday and it was saved. Additionally, you don't know what "tell" that stuttered run up is allowed Pogba to identify. Cantona, for example, said that he always used to watch the keepers knees and as soon as they twitched in one direction his made was made up to go the other way.
Alan Shearer, in my opinion one of the best penalty takers, always said you have to stay in control of the situation as a penalty taker - you might argue Pogba's technique gives him that control because he can accelerate or lengthen his stride at any moment. I'm no keeper, but that must make it harder to anticipate.
I didn't like Pogba's penalty on Saturday... it was perfect height for a keeper to save. Preferably, a penalty needs to go low into the corner... Rooney was an expert at putting it into the left hand car so, as a right footer, it is bending away from the keeper. Failing that, but more risky, is to put it high.
Penalties I think are more to do with nerves than anything else. Messi is arguably the greatest player ever and even he struggles with them. Someone like le Tissier who never seemed remotely phased by anything had a brilliant record, never seemed nervous, knew 100% where he was gonna go, also being technically sound he could execute the shot pretty much exactly how he wanted to every time.
comment by Gareth. (U1145)
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I didn't like Pogba's penalty on Saturday... it was perfect height for a keeper to save. Preferably, a penalty needs to go low into the corner... Rooney was an expert at putting it into the left hand car so, as a right footer, it is bending away from the keeper. Failing that, but more risky, is to put it high.
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The height of the ball is irrelevant when it's right in the corner, which Pogba's invariably are. Zidane used to tap his into the side netting with a short run up. Power is a poor substitute for accuracy when you're only 12 yards out.
im sure 80% on Ronaldo's penalties were all on one side. If you hit it hard enough and accurate enough, keepers cant stop them. Pogba's been great so far, wouldnt change it.
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
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The corners thing does my head in. I used to play with a lad who was unbelievable at corners from either side. He banged them all with the right foot, using either the inside or the outside, and pretty much every single one I saw him take went in the channel between the 6 yard box and the penalty spot. He was a very good footballer, but didn't get paid to play. I just find it odd that he could deliver great crosses time after time, yet our professionals that get paid so much hardly ever put in a decent corner.
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How fast was he whipping them in though? It's pretty easy to hit the 6 yard box, but unless the pace on the ball is very fast, a PL defender will easily get it away.
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He could proper whip them mate. Never seen anything like it to be honest. I only played with him maybe 15 times, but every game I was just in awe of his corners. He took a decent freekick as well to be fair, but his corners were something else.
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posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
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The corners thing does my head in. I used to play with a lad who was unbelievable at corners from either side. He banged them all with the right foot, using either the inside or the outside, and pretty much every single one I saw him take went in the channel between the 6 yard box and the penalty spot. He was a very good footballer, but didn't get paid to play. I just find it odd that he could deliver great crosses time after time, yet our professionals that get paid so much hardly ever put in a decent corner.
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How fast was he whipping them in though? It's pretty easy to hit the 6 yard box, but unless the pace on the ball is very fast, a PL defender will easily get it away.
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He could proper whip them mate. Never seen anything like it to be honest. I only played with him maybe 15 times, but every game I was just in awe of his corners. He took a decent freekick as well to be fair, but his corners were something else.
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Maybe not the reason, but something I have noticed is how little space the player has to make a decent run up at the corner of PL grounds - particularly OT where the pitch slopes away about 3 paces back from the corner. Difficult to get the right stride and contact....
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 44 seconds ago
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
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The corners thing does my head in. I used to play with a lad who was unbelievable at corners from either side. He banged them all with the right foot, using either the inside or the outside, and pretty much every single one I saw him take went in the channel between the 6 yard box and the penalty spot. He was a very good footballer, but didn't get paid to play. I just find it odd that he could deliver great crosses time after time, yet our professionals that get paid so much hardly ever put in a decent corner.
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How fast was he whipping them in though? It's pretty easy to hit the 6 yard box, but unless the pace on the ball is very fast, a PL defender will easily get it away.
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He could proper whip them mate. Never seen anything like it to be honest. I only played with him maybe 15 times, but every game I was just in awe of his corners. He took a decent freekick as well to be fair, but his corners were something else.
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Maybe not the reason, but something I have noticed is how little space the player has to make a decent run up at the corner of PL grounds - particularly OT where the pitch slopes away about 3 paces back from the corner. Difficult to get the right stride and contact....
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A good point. With his instep he did take a decent run up. From the other side when he used the outside of his foot he only took one or two steps. I think the ones with the outside of his foot were the most impressive, as they would curl away from the keeper making it hard for him to judge and get to. It just looked effortless to him.
As soon as Pogs misses a pen, I expect there to be line of people waiting to bend him over for it.
His pens have been quality, tucked right into the corner, he took a couple of schit ones and scored from the rebound. The only other person I have confidence in taking them is Herrera, who has smashed them in top bins.
Quick prediction: I expect Pogba to go down the middle with his next pen.
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
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As soon as Pogs misses a pen, I expect there to be line of people waiting to bend him over for it.
His pens have been quality, tucked right into the corner, he took a couple of schit ones and scored from the rebound. The only other person I have confidence in taking them is Herrera, who has smashed them in top bins.
Quick prediction: I expect Pogba to go down the middle with his next pen.
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I don't like the down the middle penalties. If the keeper guesses right then he saves it. If you go to either corner and hit it properly, even if the keeper guesses right he still might not get there in time.
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posted 37 minutes ago
Sounds to me someone just wants to find something to amount about pogba.
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comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
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As soon as Pogs misses a pen, I expect there to be line of people waiting to bend him over for it.
His pens have been quality, tucked right into the corner, he took a couple of schit ones and scored from the rebound. The only other person I have confidence in taking them is Herrera, who has smashed them in top bins.
Quick prediction: I expect Pogba to go down the middle with his next pen.
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I don't like the down the middle penalties. If the keeper guesses right then he saves it. If you go to either corner and hit it properly, even if the keeper guesses right he still might not get there in time.
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Neither do I to be honest but he’s missed a couple to the left and slotted away the majority down the right with his recent ones.
Just a feeling.
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posted on 11/2/19
I dont think Pogba's technique hinders him at all, shiiit happens and penalties get saved,... if it was a hinderance for him dont you think he would change his approach?
posted on 11/2/19
as for your other choices the likes of mata and moreso Pereira will have limited game time, we need players who are going to be consistantly playing to be taking them
posted on 11/2/19
Depends who starts. Mata for most FKs IF he is on the pitch. Rashford has a bit of a Ronaldo-esque style, which can be a bit erratic. I don't know why Pogba doesn't take more. Young if he plays is also a good option.
Penalties: I would give to either Rashford or Martial.
Corners: We are just terrible at, we have no stand out corner takers.
posted on 11/2/19
Pogba's scored 6 of 8, this season... and scored the rebound of one of the misses. Don't change what's not broken.
He doesn't do much of a stuttered run up any more... Just picks his spot and scores his goal.
posted on 11/2/19
What's wrong with Pogba's penalties, he's scoring the majority of them isn't he? Just because his run up is unorthodox doesn't mean it doesn't work, his pen on the weekend was great, as was the one before.
posted on 11/2/19
We are useless at attacking and defending corners so might as well let Fred the red take them. Amazing that we have such a tall squad but we are so useless.
posted on 11/2/19
Very few teams are that productive at corners, they're simply not as effective as they once were.
posted on 11/2/19
The corners thing does my head in. I used to play with a lad who was unbelievable at corners from either side. He banged them all with the right foot, using either the inside or the outside, and pretty much every single one I saw him take went in the channel between the 6 yard box and the penalty spot. He was a very good footballer, but didn't get paid to play. I just find it odd that he could deliver great crosses time after time, yet our professionals that get paid so much hardly ever put in a decent corner.
posted on 11/2/19
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
The corners thing does my head in. I used to play with a lad who was unbelievable at corners from either side. He banged them all with the right foot, using either the inside or the outside, and pretty much every single one I saw him take went in the channel between the 6 yard box and the penalty spot. He was a very good footballer, but didn't get paid to play. I just find it odd that he could deliver great crosses time after time, yet our professionals that get paid so much hardly ever put in a decent corner.
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How fast was he whipping them in though? It's pretty easy to hit the 6 yard box, but unless the pace on the ball is very fast, a PL defender will easily get it away.
posted on 11/2/19
We need reliable penalty takers...Pogba. Would be the ideal.
FTR...Our best takers in the recent past were:
CANTONA - 14 out of 16 (87.5%)
RONALDO - 11 out of 13 (84.6%)
NISTELROOY - 18 out of 22 (81.8%)
IRWIN - 7 out of 9 (77.8%)
posted on 11/2/19
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2017/mar/27/in-defence-of-the-corner-a-much-maligned-set-piece
I'd imagine that the higher the level of football the lesser the chances for scoring at corners too as the quality of every factor is greatly improved. When players are slower, defending is worse, movement is less then the need for a pin point cross is less to cause greater damage.
posted on 11/2/19
Young used to be really good at freekicks tbf
posted on 11/2/19
Corners are just an effective way of conceding possession. I would much rather we were playing out from the corner than swinging it in and hoping that we beat the unfavourable odds.
The stats don't support your argument that Pogba's technique is a hindrance. Vardy took an "orthodox" penalty yesterday and it was saved. Additionally, you don't know what "tell" that stuttered run up is allowed Pogba to identify. Cantona, for example, said that he always used to watch the keepers knees and as soon as they twitched in one direction his made was made up to go the other way.
Alan Shearer, in my opinion one of the best penalty takers, always said you have to stay in control of the situation as a penalty taker - you might argue Pogba's technique gives him that control because he can accelerate or lengthen his stride at any moment. I'm no keeper, but that must make it harder to anticipate.
posted on 11/2/19
I didn't like Pogba's penalty on Saturday... it was perfect height for a keeper to save. Preferably, a penalty needs to go low into the corner... Rooney was an expert at putting it into the left hand car so, as a right footer, it is bending away from the keeper. Failing that, but more risky, is to put it high.
posted on 11/2/19
Penalties I think are more to do with nerves than anything else. Messi is arguably the greatest player ever and even he struggles with them. Someone like le Tissier who never seemed remotely phased by anything had a brilliant record, never seemed nervous, knew 100% where he was gonna go, also being technically sound he could execute the shot pretty much exactly how he wanted to every time.
posted on 11/2/19
comment by Gareth. (U1145)
posted 3 minutes ago
I didn't like Pogba's penalty on Saturday... it was perfect height for a keeper to save. Preferably, a penalty needs to go low into the corner... Rooney was an expert at putting it into the left hand car so, as a right footer, it is bending away from the keeper. Failing that, but more risky, is to put it high.
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The height of the ball is irrelevant when it's right in the corner, which Pogba's invariably are. Zidane used to tap his into the side netting with a short run up. Power is a poor substitute for accuracy when you're only 12 yards out.
posted on 11/2/19
im sure 80% on Ronaldo's penalties were all on one side. If you hit it hard enough and accurate enough, keepers cant stop them. Pogba's been great so far, wouldnt change it.
posted on 11/2/19
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posted on 11/2/19
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy squids (U2958)
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
The corners thing does my head in. I used to play with a lad who was unbelievable at corners from either side. He banged them all with the right foot, using either the inside or the outside, and pretty much every single one I saw him take went in the channel between the 6 yard box and the penalty spot. He was a very good footballer, but didn't get paid to play. I just find it odd that he could deliver great crosses time after time, yet our professionals that get paid so much hardly ever put in a decent corner.
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How fast was he whipping them in though? It's pretty easy to hit the 6 yard box, but unless the pace on the ball is very fast, a PL defender will easily get it away.
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He could proper whip them mate. Never seen anything like it to be honest. I only played with him maybe 15 times, but every game I was just in awe of his corners. He took a decent freekick as well to be fair, but his corners were something else.
posted on 11/2/19
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy squids (U2958)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
The corners thing does my head in. I used to play with a lad who was unbelievable at corners from either side. He banged them all with the right foot, using either the inside or the outside, and pretty much every single one I saw him take went in the channel between the 6 yard box and the penalty spot. He was a very good footballer, but didn't get paid to play. I just find it odd that he could deliver great crosses time after time, yet our professionals that get paid so much hardly ever put in a decent corner.
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How fast was he whipping them in though? It's pretty easy to hit the 6 yard box, but unless the pace on the ball is very fast, a PL defender will easily get it away.
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He could proper whip them mate. Never seen anything like it to be honest. I only played with him maybe 15 times, but every game I was just in awe of his corners. He took a decent freekick as well to be fair, but his corners were something else.
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Maybe not the reason, but something I have noticed is how little space the player has to make a decent run up at the corner of PL grounds - particularly OT where the pitch slopes away about 3 paces back from the corner. Difficult to get the right stride and contact....
posted on 11/2/19
comment by Gareth. (U1145)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy squids (U2958)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
The corners thing does my head in. I used to play with a lad who was unbelievable at corners from either side. He banged them all with the right foot, using either the inside or the outside, and pretty much every single one I saw him take went in the channel between the 6 yard box and the penalty spot. He was a very good footballer, but didn't get paid to play. I just find it odd that he could deliver great crosses time after time, yet our professionals that get paid so much hardly ever put in a decent corner.
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How fast was he whipping them in though? It's pretty easy to hit the 6 yard box, but unless the pace on the ball is very fast, a PL defender will easily get it away.
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He could proper whip them mate. Never seen anything like it to be honest. I only played with him maybe 15 times, but every game I was just in awe of his corners. He took a decent freekick as well to be fair, but his corners were something else.
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Maybe not the reason, but something I have noticed is how little space the player has to make a decent run up at the corner of PL grounds - particularly OT where the pitch slopes away about 3 paces back from the corner. Difficult to get the right stride and contact....
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A good point. With his instep he did take a decent run up. From the other side when he used the outside of his foot he only took one or two steps. I think the ones with the outside of his foot were the most impressive, as they would curl away from the keeper making it hard for him to judge and get to. It just looked effortless to him.
posted on 11/2/19
As soon as Pogs misses a pen, I expect there to be line of people waiting to bend him over for it.
His pens have been quality, tucked right into the corner, he took a couple of schit ones and scored from the rebound. The only other person I have confidence in taking them is Herrera, who has smashed them in top bins.
Quick prediction: I expect Pogba to go down the middle with his next pen.
posted on 11/2/19
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 3 seconds ago
As soon as Pogs misses a pen, I expect there to be line of people waiting to bend him over for it.
His pens have been quality, tucked right into the corner, he took a couple of schit ones and scored from the rebound. The only other person I have confidence in taking them is Herrera, who has smashed them in top bins.
Quick prediction: I expect Pogba to go down the middle with his next pen.
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I don't like the down the middle penalties. If the keeper guesses right then he saves it. If you go to either corner and hit it properly, even if the keeper guesses right he still might not get there in time.
posted on 11/2/19
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 37 minutes ago
Sounds to me someone just wants to find something to amount about pogba.
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Do you buy your tinfoil hats or make them yourself?
posted on 11/2/19
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 3 seconds ago
As soon as Pogs misses a pen, I expect there to be line of people waiting to bend him over for it.
His pens have been quality, tucked right into the corner, he took a couple of schit ones and scored from the rebound. The only other person I have confidence in taking them is Herrera, who has smashed them in top bins.
Quick prediction: I expect Pogba to go down the middle with his next pen.
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I don't like the down the middle penalties. If the keeper guesses right then he saves it. If you go to either corner and hit it properly, even if the keeper guesses right he still might not get there in time.
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Neither do I to be honest but he’s missed a couple to the left and slotted away the majority down the right with his recent ones.
Just a feeling.
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