It's not what they did after, surely, it's whether they were rightly sacked in the first place?
It helped them all with their pension funds !
Maybe we just break their spirits.
soccer?lol.
It will be unfair and a poor decision if they sack Sarri without giving him a summer window and another season.
Mourinho - went to United where he had 2 mediocre seasons, and then finally sacked after the club realize he is now a mediocre manager.
Wow. Now a mediocre manager that any football club in the world would want in charge because he's a proven winner...
Unbelievable the state of some football fans
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comment by Ronny Van lack of Banterous - It's only me!! (U5996)
posted 32 minutes ago
Mourinho - went to United where he had 2 mediocre seasons, and then finally sacked after the club realize he is now a mediocre manager.
Wow. Now a mediocre manager that any football club in the world would want in charge because he's a proven winner...
Unbelievable the state of some football fans
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Ronaldo De Lima was once a great footballer, would you want him leading our attack in 2019?
I'm not denying Mourinho's great history, but in 2019 he is a manager version of a player who lost his legs, the fact his last two (could argue three) teams got better after he left is testimony to that.
Check the context before you wade in with your size nine's in future, state of some fans.
comment by Ronny Van lack of Banterous - It's only me!! (U5996)
posted 36 minutes ago
Mourinho - went to United where he had 2 mediocre seasons, and then finally sacked after the club realize he is now a mediocre manager.
Wow. Now a mediocre manager that any football club in the world would want in charge because he's a proven winner...
Unbelievable the state of some football fans
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think you mean proven whiner.
soccer?lol.
OP desperately trying to defend the indefensible and making absolutely no sense at all. What a ridiculous article. Chelsea has been sacking managers who brought great success to the club - FACT. Whether the same managers succeeded or failed at other clubs is totally irrelevant.
comment by Grand Cannon (U18697)
posted 7 minutes ago
OP desperately trying to defend the indefensible and making absolutely no sense at all. What a ridiculous article. Chelsea has been sacking managers who brought great success to the club - FACT. Whether the same managers succeeded or failed at other clubs is totally irrelevant.
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Point is they done little afterwards to suggest sacking them was a mistake.
And i'd much rather the hire and fire culture than hold onto a manager for the sake of it like you guys did.
I agree we get unfairly singled out where this is concerned, plenty of others managers at top 6 clubs have been dismissed just as brutally - Rodgers, Redknapp, AVB (Spurs), all of City's managers post-08 - so this isn't unique to us. But the sheer frequency at which we go through managers has created our player power problem which is worse than our clubs.
One of the only sensible things to come out of Mourinho's mouth in 15/16 was the statement that if we sack him we've sent a clear message to the players that the manager will always take the fail for their failures. Was drenched in his own self importance but he was right, if a club figure like him who everyone was behind (fans & board unanimously) except the players falls on the sword then no-one has a chance. Until we correct this any manager of ours going forward is at the mercy of the players whims, at some point we'll have to take a chance and put a manager first.
Wasn't Grant just a temp? He took over after Jose's first stint.
The issue seems to be that the players can't keep up the momentum, coupled with shifting styles (managerial changes) and bad investments (Drinkwater, Giroud, Morata, etc.), it's now come to the fore.
The players are themselves an issue. You only have Hazard as a player at his peak (and he's world class), the others are either past their best, average, or yet to hit their potential.
You also have to see the drop off after winning the league under Jose (2nd stint) and with Conte. It makes it seem that they only turn up when they feel like it. If they aren't getting their way, they just go through the motions until a new guy comes in.
Unlike previous teams you no longer have a strong core. That core is important for two things. They helped keep the levels up (even if they instigated the sackings, which I don't think happened in all cases) and they were much better than what you have now.
This comes to the other two points. Shifting styles and poor investment. Sarri is very different in style and what he wants in his team to Conte and Jose. He's also more dogmatic in it. Hiring him, not getting a preseason and not investing correctly (also poorly) was always going to cause issues.
It's not like Sarri came in, had two years and signed players of his choice who didn't suit his system and then fall out with everyone. He's hardly had time to reshape the side or bring in quality players.
Keep the managers
Sack the BOARD
Sack the OWNER
Sack the supporters too.
soccer?lol.
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 8 hours, 17 minutes ago
I agree we get unfairly singled out where this is concerned, plenty of others managers at top 6 clubs have been dismissed just as brutally - Rodgers, Redknapp, AVB (Spurs), all of City's managers post-08 - so this isn't unique to us. But the sheer frequency at which we go through managers has created our player power problem which is worse than our clubs.
One of the only sensible things to come out of Mourinho's mouth in 15/16 was the statement that if we sack him we've sent a clear message to the players that the manager will always take the fail for their failures. Was drenched in his own self importance but he was right, if a club figure like him who everyone was behind (fans & board unanimously) except the players falls on the sword then no-one has a chance. Until we correct this any manager of ours going forward is at the mercy of the players whims, at some point we'll have to take a chance and put a manager first.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Which is exactly what Pep said in his press conference. If anyone want to know what's wrong with sacking managers the way we do then read what Pep said. Also anyone who endorses our policy for sacking managers loses their right to complain about our club's track record for bringing through young players
comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 6 hours, 10 minutes ago
Wasn't Grant just a temp? He took over after Jose's first stint.
The issue seems to be that the players can't keep up the momentum, coupled with shifting styles (managerial changes) and bad investments (Drinkwater, Giroud, Morata, etc.), it's now come to the fore.
The players are themselves an issue. You only have Hazard as a player at his peak (and he's world class), the others are either past their best, average, or yet to hit their potential.
You also have to see the drop off after winning the league under Jose (2nd stint) and with Conte. It makes it seem that they only turn up when they feel like it. If they aren't getting their way, they just go through the motions until a new guy comes in.
Unlike previous teams you no longer have a strong core. That core is important for two things. They helped keep the levels up (even if they instigated the sackings, which I don't think happened in all cases) and they were much better than what you have now.
This comes to the other two points. Shifting styles and poor investment. Sarri is very different in style and what he wants in his team to Conte and Jose. He's also more dogmatic in it. Hiring him, not getting a preseason and not investing correctly (also poorly) was always going to cause issues.
It's not like Sarri came in, had two years and signed players of his choice who didn't suit his system and then fall out with everyone. He's hardly had time to reshape the side or bring in quality players.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I would add Kante to Hazard but you are right.
DL11 (U21614)
"Point is they done little afterwards to suggest sacking them was a mistake."
-------------------------------------
Oh dear! So a manager does brilliantly at Chelsea, gets sacked, goes to another club, gets sacked, and Chelsea fans use that to justify Chelsea sacking him. Your reasoning is so warped, preposterous and totally devoid of logic or commonsense. Managers perform differently at different clubs for a whole range of reasons and factors, some beyond the manager's control. Bottom line is, you don't sack a manager who is doing well at your club.
comment by Grand Cannon (U18697)
posted 15 minutes ago
DL11 (U21614)
"Point is they done little afterwards to suggest sacking them was a mistake."
-------------------------------------
Oh dear! So a manager does brilliantly at Chelsea, gets sacked, goes to another club, gets sacked, and Chelsea fans use that to justify Chelsea sacking him. Your reasoning is so warped, preposterous and totally devoid of logic or commonsense. Managers perform differently at different clubs for a whole range of reasons and factors, some beyond the manager's control. Bottom line is, you don't sack a manager who is doing well at your club.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
When was any of them doing well at the point of sacking?
One was fighting relegation, another two didn't get off the ground in the first place and another fell out with almost everyone at the club.
Managers can also do brilliantly then it go stale meaning a chance is required, if your board realised that around 2012 you probably wouldn't be up shet creek without a paddle.
When was any of them doing well at the point of sacking?
One was fighting relegation, another two didn't get off the ground in the first place and another fell out with almost everyone at the club.
Managers can also do brilliantly then it go stale meaning a chance is required, if your board realised that around 2012 you probably wouldn't be up shet creek without a paddle.
-----------------------------------------------------------
It's about striking a balance. e.g. Arsenal went too far in the other direction, Wenger had too much power and they're still trying to recover from the damage he caused hanging around too long - which may take a few years. The good example of the balance is a team like Liverpool, they might've sacked Benitez a little prematurely but they gave Hodgson enough time factoring his results, same with Dalglish, and only sacked Rodgers because they saw a clear opportunity to trade up and pounced on it. On the one hand their players know the manager has some measure of protection but he's not got a dictators' freedom.
Because we've had so many managers in the last 10 years (reasons irrelevant) at some point we're going to need to back a manager even if there's justifiable cause to sack him, we have to put some of that power back into the managers hands or this cycle of the squad downtooling as soon as the title is out of reach will never end. IMO, the only reason that shouldn't be Sarri is if Roman gives up this fixation of a 'pretty football' Chelsea and for once embraces a proper pragmatist rather than under card him, e.g. Allegri/Simeone, and he gives that manager the time.
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posted on 22/2/19
It's not what they did after, surely, it's whether they were rightly sacked in the first place?
posted on 22/2/19
It helped them all with their pension funds !
posted on 22/2/19
Maybe we just break their spirits.
soccer?lol.
posted on 22/2/19
It will be unfair and a poor decision if they sack Sarri without giving him a summer window and another season.
posted on 22/2/19
Mourinho - went to United where he had 2 mediocre seasons, and then finally sacked after the club realize he is now a mediocre manager.
Wow. Now a mediocre manager that any football club in the world would want in charge because he's a proven winner...
Unbelievable the state of some football fans
posted on 22/2/19
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posted on 22/2/19
comment by Ronny Van lack of Banterous - It's only me!! (U5996)
posted 32 minutes ago
Mourinho - went to United where he had 2 mediocre seasons, and then finally sacked after the club realize he is now a mediocre manager.
Wow. Now a mediocre manager that any football club in the world would want in charge because he's a proven winner...
Unbelievable the state of some football fans
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ronaldo De Lima was once a great footballer, would you want him leading our attack in 2019?
I'm not denying Mourinho's great history, but in 2019 he is a manager version of a player who lost his legs, the fact his last two (could argue three) teams got better after he left is testimony to that.
Check the context before you wade in with your size nine's in future, state of some fans.
posted on 22/2/19
comment by Ronny Van lack of Banterous - It's only me!! (U5996)
posted 36 minutes ago
Mourinho - went to United where he had 2 mediocre seasons, and then finally sacked after the club realize he is now a mediocre manager.
Wow. Now a mediocre manager that any football club in the world would want in charge because he's a proven winner...
Unbelievable the state of some football fans
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think you mean proven whiner.
soccer?lol.
posted on 22/2/19
OP desperately trying to defend the indefensible and making absolutely no sense at all. What a ridiculous article. Chelsea has been sacking managers who brought great success to the club - FACT. Whether the same managers succeeded or failed at other clubs is totally irrelevant.
posted on 22/2/19
comment by Grand Cannon (U18697)
posted 7 minutes ago
OP desperately trying to defend the indefensible and making absolutely no sense at all. What a ridiculous article. Chelsea has been sacking managers who brought great success to the club - FACT. Whether the same managers succeeded or failed at other clubs is totally irrelevant.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Point is they done little afterwards to suggest sacking them was a mistake.
And i'd much rather the hire and fire culture than hold onto a manager for the sake of it like you guys did.
posted on 22/2/19
I agree we get unfairly singled out where this is concerned, plenty of others managers at top 6 clubs have been dismissed just as brutally - Rodgers, Redknapp, AVB (Spurs), all of City's managers post-08 - so this isn't unique to us. But the sheer frequency at which we go through managers has created our player power problem which is worse than our clubs.
One of the only sensible things to come out of Mourinho's mouth in 15/16 was the statement that if we sack him we've sent a clear message to the players that the manager will always take the fail for their failures. Was drenched in his own self importance but he was right, if a club figure like him who everyone was behind (fans & board unanimously) except the players falls on the sword then no-one has a chance. Until we correct this any manager of ours going forward is at the mercy of the players whims, at some point we'll have to take a chance and put a manager first.
posted on 23/2/19
Wasn't Grant just a temp? He took over after Jose's first stint.
The issue seems to be that the players can't keep up the momentum, coupled with shifting styles (managerial changes) and bad investments (Drinkwater, Giroud, Morata, etc.), it's now come to the fore.
The players are themselves an issue. You only have Hazard as a player at his peak (and he's world class), the others are either past their best, average, or yet to hit their potential.
You also have to see the drop off after winning the league under Jose (2nd stint) and with Conte. It makes it seem that they only turn up when they feel like it. If they aren't getting their way, they just go through the motions until a new guy comes in.
Unlike previous teams you no longer have a strong core. That core is important for two things. They helped keep the levels up (even if they instigated the sackings, which I don't think happened in all cases) and they were much better than what you have now.
This comes to the other two points. Shifting styles and poor investment. Sarri is very different in style and what he wants in his team to Conte and Jose. He's also more dogmatic in it. Hiring him, not getting a preseason and not investing correctly (also poorly) was always going to cause issues.
It's not like Sarri came in, had two years and signed players of his choice who didn't suit his system and then fall out with everyone. He's hardly had time to reshape the side or bring in quality players.
posted on 23/2/19
Keep the managers
Sack the BOARD
Sack the OWNER
posted on 23/2/19
Sack the supporters too.
soccer?lol.
posted on 23/2/19
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 8 hours, 17 minutes ago
I agree we get unfairly singled out where this is concerned, plenty of others managers at top 6 clubs have been dismissed just as brutally - Rodgers, Redknapp, AVB (Spurs), all of City's managers post-08 - so this isn't unique to us. But the sheer frequency at which we go through managers has created our player power problem which is worse than our clubs.
One of the only sensible things to come out of Mourinho's mouth in 15/16 was the statement that if we sack him we've sent a clear message to the players that the manager will always take the fail for their failures. Was drenched in his own self importance but he was right, if a club figure like him who everyone was behind (fans & board unanimously) except the players falls on the sword then no-one has a chance. Until we correct this any manager of ours going forward is at the mercy of the players whims, at some point we'll have to take a chance and put a manager first.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Which is exactly what Pep said in his press conference. If anyone want to know what's wrong with sacking managers the way we do then read what Pep said. Also anyone who endorses our policy for sacking managers loses their right to complain about our club's track record for bringing through young players
posted on 23/2/19
comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 6 hours, 10 minutes ago
Wasn't Grant just a temp? He took over after Jose's first stint.
The issue seems to be that the players can't keep up the momentum, coupled with shifting styles (managerial changes) and bad investments (Drinkwater, Giroud, Morata, etc.), it's now come to the fore.
The players are themselves an issue. You only have Hazard as a player at his peak (and he's world class), the others are either past their best, average, or yet to hit their potential.
You also have to see the drop off after winning the league under Jose (2nd stint) and with Conte. It makes it seem that they only turn up when they feel like it. If they aren't getting their way, they just go through the motions until a new guy comes in.
Unlike previous teams you no longer have a strong core. That core is important for two things. They helped keep the levels up (even if they instigated the sackings, which I don't think happened in all cases) and they were much better than what you have now.
This comes to the other two points. Shifting styles and poor investment. Sarri is very different in style and what he wants in his team to Conte and Jose. He's also more dogmatic in it. Hiring him, not getting a preseason and not investing correctly (also poorly) was always going to cause issues.
It's not like Sarri came in, had two years and signed players of his choice who didn't suit his system and then fall out with everyone. He's hardly had time to reshape the side or bring in quality players.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I would add Kante to Hazard but you are right.
posted on 23/2/19
DL11 (U21614)
"Point is they done little afterwards to suggest sacking them was a mistake."
-------------------------------------
Oh dear! So a manager does brilliantly at Chelsea, gets sacked, goes to another club, gets sacked, and Chelsea fans use that to justify Chelsea sacking him. Your reasoning is so warped, preposterous and totally devoid of logic or commonsense. Managers perform differently at different clubs for a whole range of reasons and factors, some beyond the manager's control. Bottom line is, you don't sack a manager who is doing well at your club.
posted on 23/2/19
comment by Grand Cannon (U18697)
posted 15 minutes ago
DL11 (U21614)
"Point is they done little afterwards to suggest sacking them was a mistake."
-------------------------------------
Oh dear! So a manager does brilliantly at Chelsea, gets sacked, goes to another club, gets sacked, and Chelsea fans use that to justify Chelsea sacking him. Your reasoning is so warped, preposterous and totally devoid of logic or commonsense. Managers perform differently at different clubs for a whole range of reasons and factors, some beyond the manager's control. Bottom line is, you don't sack a manager who is doing well at your club.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
When was any of them doing well at the point of sacking?
One was fighting relegation, another two didn't get off the ground in the first place and another fell out with almost everyone at the club.
Managers can also do brilliantly then it go stale meaning a chance is required, if your board realised that around 2012 you probably wouldn't be up shet creek without a paddle.
posted on 23/2/19
*change
posted on 23/2/19
When was any of them doing well at the point of sacking?
One was fighting relegation, another two didn't get off the ground in the first place and another fell out with almost everyone at the club.
Managers can also do brilliantly then it go stale meaning a chance is required, if your board realised that around 2012 you probably wouldn't be up shet creek without a paddle.
-----------------------------------------------------------
It's about striking a balance. e.g. Arsenal went too far in the other direction, Wenger had too much power and they're still trying to recover from the damage he caused hanging around too long - which may take a few years. The good example of the balance is a team like Liverpool, they might've sacked Benitez a little prematurely but they gave Hodgson enough time factoring his results, same with Dalglish, and only sacked Rodgers because they saw a clear opportunity to trade up and pounced on it. On the one hand their players know the manager has some measure of protection but he's not got a dictators' freedom.
Because we've had so many managers in the last 10 years (reasons irrelevant) at some point we're going to need to back a manager even if there's justifiable cause to sack him, we have to put some of that power back into the managers hands or this cycle of the squad downtooling as soon as the title is out of reach will never end. IMO, the only reason that shouldn't be Sarri is if Roman gives up this fixation of a 'pretty football' Chelsea and for once embraces a proper pragmatist rather than under card him, e.g. Allegri/Simeone, and he gives that manager the time.
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