They just loaded Brann up with anti-depression meds....ta-da! 3 eyed raven

comment by High Fist (U1097)



posted on 8/3/19


With any luck they will all become cannibals and eat each other until there is only one left and then they then jump off a cliff.

Within the first 30 mins of the first episode.



Wouldve been more satisfying tbf

I think it’s weird how people demand full circle and rationale arcs for characters. Why should television owe us that?

I’ve read some of the press reviews and it was all about people not ‘deserving’ or wasn’t a fitting conclusion.

I like that the writers didn’t just give us what we thought was the most obvious. A show of this magnitude ought to be above predictable.

Was the finale great? No, but it was very good.

Was season 8 great? At times yes. It had some of the shows greatest moments for sure.

If I had one gripe with regards to conclusion - it was having Bran as ruler. I personally would’ve liked Sansa to have got the throne. When Tyrion talked about story, I was certain he was referring to the oldest Stark girl. After all, Bran did nothing for the first few years whereas she was betrothed to the evil boy king, watched her father beheaded, left with the Boltons, rappelled, tortured and so on. Nobody had endured more personal pain than her in my opinion. No character grew more.

Bran is a logical choice given his state of mind and circumstance but Sansa would’ve been the most satisfying choice.

Raped*

Not sure were rappelled come from?

Was the finale great? No, but it was very good.


Disagree.

I'm 100% sure manatees wrote the final season.

comment by High Fist (U1097)
posted 10 minutes ago
Was the finale great? No, but it was very good.


Disagree.
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Strange comment.

I think you have to be realistic when assessing a show of this magnitude. It was always good to be divisive.

The opening 15 minutes was practically perfect. The cinematography was some of the best the show had ever given us.

What definitely needed to happen? Only one thing in my opinion and that was the death of Daenerys. She was intending to be a good Queen no doubt but she was fuelled by fire and brimstone. Peace would’ve never been achieved under her rule.

Who was the only person that was worthy of killing her? Jon. The true heir and her new love.

Everything else was acceptable.

*Going to be divisive

Ffs

Bran, you sly barsteward. You warged them all.

comment by The Night King (U20644)
posted 11 hours, 39 minutes ago
After some thought, I think the endgame of most of the character stories COULD have made sense.

The real problem is the (lack of) buildup to all of the character conclusions. Also, the episode itself is (AGAIN) full of plot holes and inconsistency. Let's look at each of the main characters in turn:

Danaerys. This is what mostly ruined the ending. There were no signs of any 'madness' before her sudden turn to torch the city last episode. Yes, she made threats but never suggested anything that would hint she would go on to kill thousands of civilians. For everyone she executed, she had good reason. And so, her death feels meaningless because her character was not believable any more. We either needed more time to appreciate her transformation into this evil villain or they should have started her turn a lot earlier than Episode 4/6 in the Final Season!

Because Danaery's turn seems so unrealistic, everything else feels empty because her sudden turn to madness is central to everyone else's plot.

Jon had to kill her, no doubt. But I did not feel anything in that moment. It was expected but I did not know who Danaerys was anymore, she certainly wasn't the person I watched grow over the past 7 years. If you can't understand a character, their death will have no impact and that's exactly what happened here.

This brings me to Jon Snow. There is nothing special about his character that meant it had to be him to kill Danaerys. Arya could have easily done it or Tyrion, Davos, Varys etc. It doesn't make sense to resurrect Jon for this reason. It's poetic since they were lovers but that's about it. It was always hinted that Jon had a greater purpose - to destroy the Night King. He fought him beyond the wall, they knew each other. It seemed like they had some kind of deeper connection. Arya killing the Night King felt cheap and unwarranted. Jon has just become a puppet, being used and pulled by everyone with no will of his own anymore. He even had to be manipulated by Tyrion to kill Dany.

Jon is sentenced to go back to the Night's Watch for killing Dany - here is the episode's biggest inconsistency. I don't understand why GreyWorm didn't execute Jon and Tyrion after they betrayed and killed his Queen. Grey-Worm was fiercely loyal and was seen butchering Lannisters at the start of the episode because he is getting rid of 'all enemies of Danaerys'. He would of course killed Jon and Tyrion instead of holding them hostage until foreign rulers arrived! Also, the Unsullied and Dothraki have no Leader, no allegiances to any other Ruler and their late Queen just declared war on the remaining 6 Kingdoms. So how are all these Leaders sitting and laughing in King's Landing as a council? It made no sense.

Also, why sentence Jon back to an organisation that has no purpose? The Night's Watch was meant to keep out the Wildlings and any other supernatural threat. The Wildlings are living inside the wall and the Night King is dead. Bran should have explained why we still needed the wall. I am therefore not ok with how this played out.

Bran's appointment felt strange to me. He's not in touch with his human side, why would he make a good ruler? His monotone voice and clinical language will draw no inspiration from the people or the armies. He has no charisma and has never been a Leader. However, Bran would be a perfect member of the council instead and with his unlimited knowledge, he would make an invaluable adviser to any King or Queen. I am not comfortable with him as King but meh, I can live with it.

Arya travels to see what is 'West of Westeros'. This was foreshadowed, she had no desire to be a 'Lady' and became completely independent.. She had shown this traveler's curiosity before so I'm OK with this.

Sansa rules the North, which is expected but I came to dislike her character the most (not sure if she's supposed to be hated or not). She basically plotted against Danaerys and betrayed Jon's trust to get Jon on the throne and is the main reason for the chaos in Kings Landing. She is the show's last biggest game player but she wins and is rewarded with her own Kingdom, separate from the rest. However, I think this selfishness would cause the other Rulers to want separation too? (especially Yara, who supported Dany) So I'm not sure how she got away with this.

Tyrion has been the most consistent character. Sure, his charm, wit and intelligence have suffered the past few seasons but there were no books to draw from. His motives were always clear, to see a fair ruler on the Iron Throne.

Bronne ends up on the council. A lowlife sell-sword whose loyalty switches like the wind. He talks of rebuilding brothels and is appointed Master of Coin. I didn't like this at all and Tyrion should have known better than to have a man like that in a position of influence. I thought we were building a better world?

Drogon destroys the Throne and ignores Jon because ( I presume) Jon is a Targaeryan and dragons don't target them? Anyways this is supposed to symbolize a new beginning, yet we still have a Dictator (King Bran) so this doesn't quite add up either.

In summary, the endings of the characters COULD have worked with further explanation and build-up. They made HUGE mistakes with Danaerys & Jon's character. There are too many plot holes and inconsistencies throughout the last few seasons to be ignored and ultimately we end up with an unsatisfying Finale.

I view this series in two parts. Season 1-5 (mostly following the books) and Seasons 6-8 (show writers attempt).

You have to view the last few seasons with lower expectations because there is no rich source material to adapt from. They went for action at the cost of story and they could have gotten away with it if they had just been more careful. However, characters were unfairly destroyed (Dany, Jon, Jaime) for shock value and logic went out the window (just like Tommen did) for a lot of scenes. The quality in writing dropped too far and the whole story was damaged as a result.

It's a sad end to what could have been an epic masterpiece (up there with Lord of the Rings) and could have been watched by many future generations.

But how can you re-watch the series when you know half of the early character development and foreshadowing doesn't amount to anything?

All in all, it's been a great ride and I have witnessed some memorable moments, fantastic cinematography and incredible acting. But now, my watch has ended and it's time to move on
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Dany's mental stability has never been in question until that scene with the Tarlys. She always cared for innocent people up until that point. So I can accept her going full tyrant on Kings Landing and it's one of the better things about this season. Sure there wasn't enough build up but I can accept that BUT bells being the trigger?? It should've been Missandei's murder or even Rhaegal's death.

That scene when Missandei dies seems like such a missed opportunity because that exact moment could've kicked off everything right there. Grey Worm's killing spree, Dany's madness. Tyrion & Varys realising that she's too rash in critical moments and thus deciding she's not a good leader. Jon seeing all this from afar and cooling his love for her.

Such poor closing seasons to something that could've been perfect and the outright GOAT of tv series.

It did make me laugh when Tyrion's justification for Bran being King was that he had a good story and no one has a better story than Bran.

There's this guy called Jon Snow. A b@stard who joined the nights watch, became lord commander, murdered and then resurrected because he had a greater purpose. Became king in the north, united much of the realm against the real threat and fought the living dead. It then turns out he's also the true heir to the iron throne, the prince that was promised, he is the song of Ice and fire.

But sure, Bran has the best story

Meh...Jon Snow is boring af.

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comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} (U2720)
posted 54 minutes ago
Meh...Jon Snow is boring af.
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He was one of the best characters until the last season or so. Then he became a boring sap. I would have much preferred it if Daenerys had stabbed him to be honest.

The opening 15 minutes was practically perfect. The cinematography was some of the best the show had ever given us.
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I disagree with pretty much everything you've been saying since episode 5, but I'm completely with you there.

In particular that shot of Drogon behind Dany with his wings out, might've been the best piece of cinematography in the entire series (from S1 till S8). Fantastic idea executed to perfection, looked absolutely stunning.

The only time Jon thought for himself was when he decided to go down on a girl in a cave after he took an oath with his boy scouts. Every other time his pivotal decisions have been made for him.

Main character doesn't always translate to good character.

Jon might be seen as boring but he had by far the best claim to the throne, and is loved or respected by virtually everyone still in Westeros.

It was pretty jarring that he didn't come up in the conversation to be King, or at least that him being Rhaegar's son was never mentioned, especially given Varys sent letters to all the high lords.

For the record I don't actually think he should have been King and liked that he gets to just chill out for a change, but he definitely should have been mentioned as a candidate.

comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 24 minutes ago
Jon might be seen as boring but he had by far the best claim to the throne, and is loved or respected by virtually everyone still in Westeros.

It was pretty jarring that he didn't come up in the conversation to be King, or at least that him being Rhaegar's son was never mentioned, especially given Varys sent letters to all the high lords.

For the record I don't actually think he should have been King and liked that he gets to just chill out for a change, but he definitely should have been mentioned as a candidate.
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Yeah that was all rather strange how it was handled after he killed Dany. His heritage and claim to the throne suddenly becomes non-existent and he has to be sent back to the Night's Watch. Even if he did kill Dany, he did it for good reasons, and has done a lot of good in the world. The other prisoner on the other hand, Tyrion, gets a chance to talk to the council of lords, and chooses for them who should be the king and then becomes the Hand of the King.

It's very fair to say Jon has been hard done by.

Also, what were all the "terrible mistakes" that Tyrion was supposed to fix, according to Bran?

I thought it was poor and unsatisfactory.

I think the whole thing would have benefitted if the season wasn't so rushed. For example, 1 season on the build up to the battle with the Night King and then another for the final battle at Kings Landing.

It would have given time for the gradual character development that was needed.

Agree Vida. So very dissapointing, the lack of character progress for bran who turned out to sit on the throne was scandalous. M
Davos and Peter dinklage acting were the only redeeming factors of this season.

comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} (U2720)
posted 54 minutes ago
Meh...Jon Snow is boring af.
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He was one of the best characters until the last season or so. Then he became a boring sap. I would have much preferred it if Daenerys had stabbed him to be honest.
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Would have been good if they both stabbed escorted, both double crossing. Jon knowing she’d gone mad, Dany knowing Jon would betray her

Then drogon burns the throne and flies off with them both...

Another issue I had...I thought the vast majority of the Dothraki were taken out by the Army of the Dead? Still seemed to be a lot of them left for the final episodes.

comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 11 minutes ago
I thought it was poor and unsatisfactory.

I think the whole thing would have benefitted if the season wasn't so rushed. For example, 1 season on the build up to the battle with the Night King and then another for the final battle at Kings Landing.

It would have given time for the gradual character development that was needed.
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Agreed. Presumably it would have been much more expensive which is probably why they decided to condense it into one series.

comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} (U2720)
posted 54 minutes ago
Meh...Jon Snow is boring af.
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He was one of the best characters until the last season or so. Then he became a boring sap. I would have much preferred it if Daenerys had stabbed him to be honest.
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Would have been good if they both stabbed escorted, both double crossing. Jon knowing she’d gone mad, Dany knowing Jon would betray her
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That would have worked for me. Much more in fact