The proof is in the furrrking pudding. Ranieri builds his team around Kante. Wins the league. Conte builds his team around Kante. Wins the league. Sarri tries to shoehorn Kante into his ridiculous system. Kante is below his usual level (But still good because that's how good a player he is) and the team suffers.
You’re giving the impression that you don’t watch us very often with comments like that.
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comment by Randomer (U5245)
posted 1 minute ago
I can’t believe you can’t see that Kante still does what he’s always done only more. Focusing purely on which part of the pitch he occupies is just silly.
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No he doesn't. Kante is wasted playing high up the pitch because that's not his strength. Why Sarri wants to put square pegs in round holes instead of changing his system I don't understand.
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He was constantly pressing high under Conte, case in point the two goals he scored against you guys at The Bridge.
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How many goals has Kante scored for Chelsea aside from that? His strengths have never been offensively so why does he play a role that demands more from him in attack? It doesn't make sense.
Any top manager who inherits Kante will build their team around him. Guarantee that. And yet Sarri hasn't done that. He's not a top manager.
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comment by Randomer (U5245)
posted 1 minute ago
I can’t believe you can’t see that Kante still does what he’s always done only more. Focusing purely on which part of the pitch he occupies is just silly.
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No he doesn't. Kante is wasted playing high up the pitch because that's not his strength. Why Sarri wants to put square pegs in round holes instead of changing his system I don't understand.
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All it means is he's pressing higher up the pitch whilst still doing the same work deeper, it's not like he's playing as a number 10 who's not allowed to go into his own half
He's being played closer to a number 10 than to a DM, which is his real position.
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How many goals has Kante scored for Chelsea aside from that? His strengths have never been offensively so why does he play a role that demands more from him in attack? It doesn't make sense.
Any top manager who inherits Kante will build their team around him. Guarantee that. And yet Sarri hasn't done that. He's not a top manager.
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Actually funnily enough i think Kante's end product this season trumps any output in a season Essien ever produced, and it's no secret that you judge players on goal stats.
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You’re giving the impression that you don’t watch us very often with comments like that.
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Because he doesn't, he admitted he's never been to The Bridge.
I've been to Stamford Bridge plenty of times.
Kante shouldn't be asked to provide 'end product'. That's not his game and it's ridiculous that there is pressure on him to do so in this system because it's a total misuse of him.
Wahl when Conte won the league for us you said it wasn't Conte it was all down to Mourinho and it was his team and Conte fackin sucked as a manager
So weird how you are now praising Conte and saying he won the league
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I've been to Stamford Bridge plenty of times.
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You can't even name a fact about the ground or an establishment in the surrounding areas, that is basically an admission you've never been.
No I didn't, what I said was that Conte won the league with Mourinho's players because he did. The only meaningful addition Conte made to the squad was Kante.
It’s a really difficult situation for Chelsea with the transfer ban because you quite clearly need a few additions in the squad - to bring up the level of quality but also to give Sarri the type of players that will suit how he wants you to play. There are coaches out there that would probably be better suited to using your current squad in the event that you can’t make any signings, but it’ll be difficult to get them to move to Chelsea if they can’t bring in any players.
Ed that and they’ll probably think “why would I want to join that fickle bunch of cants”
Read somewhere today that FIFA will give their decision on our appeal before the summer window so we may have time to take it up with CAS if necessary.
Chances are the ban won’t be overturned, though. It’s usually used as a delaying tactic but it seems FIFA are trying to put a stop to that. I’m not sure what CAS can do in this regard seeing as FIFA have taken a new dtance with regard to transfer bans - there’s no precedent for it, so we’ll have to see how things play out.
Chelsea could offer a good salary to a new coach if they were desperate for a new coach, and I’m sure that there are plenty that would take the job even with a transfer ban, but the best coaches are probably unlikely to show up at the Bridge if the ban sticks.
Yeah the ban will most likely stick, I’m just assuming the club will try to delay it as you say and get the necessary business done this window before it kicks in.
I was confident of at least getting it delayed due to the difference in treatment of us compared to Barca/Real/Atletico, but now that City are up for a ban as well it gives them the perfect chance to consolidate this new precedent and deny singling us out.
I’m not sure I have faith in the club to make the right signings anyway, even if they do get the opportunity.
FIFA would have created a shiiiiiitstorm had they tried to set a precedent with Atleti and Real given the delay that Barca had. So they had to wait for it to be a club from another league, unfortunately for you it’s Chelsea. At least we’ll get an idea of how these things will go in the future.
Good read, exactly my thoughts, well said.
Certain posters go so far out of their way to avoid giving Sarri any credit that I find myself sounding like some disciple of his simply because I like to give him credit and be positive about him.
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I sympathize with that, I feel it with Jorginho (not just on this forum).
I'm certain I come across as a blind fanboy of him to certain people, when all I'm doing most of the time is giving much needed balance where he's concerned. The voracity at which I leap to his defense is a direct counter measure to the voracity in which others leap to attack him. I'd love to criticize him when I feel like he's doing wrong, but if I do I'd feel as if I'll be pigeon holed in this pile of fans who expect him to ping the ball like Beckham while simultaneously wanting Kante at DM (as if he'd play like that)
I don't want Kante playing the Jorginho role. The Jorginho role shouldn't exist.
Just change formation and system, play goddamn Kante in his stupid normal position and furrrk Sarriball off and go back to playing like we were before. Easy.
LegendOsgood
D.A, that’s the issue I have as well. The people who constantly criticise Sarri and Jorginho will call you a fan boy for trying to defend them, like consistent positivity is a bad thing but consistent negativity will save our season
I feel sorry for Jorginho, the guy is a good player and puts the effort in, and I’ve noticed a distinct drop in the team’s performance several times when he’s come off. But because of his association with Sarri he suffers extra scrutiny.
Or better yet, just fire Sarri and all that will happen on it's own
Completely agree with Ed's comment aswell.
The transfer ban makes this a really awkward situation. If Sarri had the liability to add to the squad in the summer then sacking him will have effectively meant we wasted a year of progress in a league where everyone around us have gotten stronger (bar Spurs who've stood still). But the problem with that transfer ban is we have too many players where SarriBall's concerned who've reached their limit, players who never had it in them to succeed in it, and it makes keeping Hazard so important it would be worth the risk losing him for free - without him this team's got a hope while Sarri's in charge (don't give me that CHO BS).
If the bans upheld, and the opportunity at someone like Allegri becomes a realistic proposition, I wouldn't blame the club for making that switch even if we win the Europa/get top 4 this season. I'd completely see why they did it.
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 28 minutes ago
Certain posters go so far out of their way to avoid giving Sarri any credit that I find myself sounding like some disciple of his simply because I like to give him credit and be positive about him.
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I sympathize with that, I feel it with Jorginho (not just on this forum).
I'm certain I come across as a blind fanboy of him to certain people, when all I'm doing most of the time is giving much needed balance where he's concerned. The voracity at which I leap to his defense is a direct counter measure to the voracity in which others leap to attack him. I'd love to criticize him when I feel like he's doing wrong, but if I do I'd feel as if I'll be pigeon holed in this pile of fans who expect him to ping the ball like Beckham while simultaneously wanting Kante at DM (as if he'd play like that)
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First half against Everton he was very good yet i said at half time on the Haven if we don't win the idiots would be out in force blaming him no matter what, how right was i
DL11, as a fanbase we do love our scapegoats (suppose that true of every fanbase, but it's still disappointing).
I miss the days when Ramires was the designated scapegoat. Was still annoying but at least most of the criticisms were on the money even if they were blown out of proportion. People don't even criticize Jorginho about the right things, it's SO irritating.
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posted on 18/3/19
The proof is in the furrrking pudding. Ranieri builds his team around Kante. Wins the league. Conte builds his team around Kante. Wins the league. Sarri tries to shoehorn Kante into his ridiculous system. Kante is below his usual level (But still good because that's how good a player he is) and the team suffers.
posted on 18/3/19
You’re giving the impression that you don’t watch us very often with comments like that.
posted on 18/3/19
comment by DL11 (U21614)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by Jose Mourinho, just the Portuguese Fat Sam, teaching 19th century football. Klopp is the better manager, and Eva Caniero was right. #Hazard knows ✌ (U22090)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Randomer (U5245)
posted 1 minute ago
I can’t believe you can’t see that Kante still does what he’s always done only more. Focusing purely on which part of the pitch he occupies is just silly.
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No he doesn't. Kante is wasted playing high up the pitch because that's not his strength. Why Sarri wants to put square pegs in round holes instead of changing his system I don't understand.
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He was constantly pressing high under Conte, case in point the two goals he scored against you guys at The Bridge.
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How many goals has Kante scored for Chelsea aside from that? His strengths have never been offensively so why does he play a role that demands more from him in attack? It doesn't make sense.
Any top manager who inherits Kante will build their team around him. Guarantee that. And yet Sarri hasn't done that. He's not a top manager.
posted on 18/3/19
comment by Jose Mourinho, just the Portuguese Fat Sam, teaching 19th century football. Klopp is the better manager, and Eva Caniero was right. #Hazard knows ✌ (U22090)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Randomer (U5245)
posted 1 minute ago
I can’t believe you can’t see that Kante still does what he’s always done only more. Focusing purely on which part of the pitch he occupies is just silly.
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No he doesn't. Kante is wasted playing high up the pitch because that's not his strength. Why Sarri wants to put square pegs in round holes instead of changing his system I don't understand.
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All it means is he's pressing higher up the pitch whilst still doing the same work deeper, it's not like he's playing as a number 10 who's not allowed to go into his own half
posted on 18/3/19
He's being played closer to a number 10 than to a DM, which is his real position.
posted on 18/3/19
comment by Jose Mourinho, just the Portuguese Fat Sam, teaching 19th century football. Klopp is the better manager, and Eva Caniero was right. #Hazard knows ✌ (U22090)
posted 25 seconds ago
How many goals has Kante scored for Chelsea aside from that? His strengths have never been offensively so why does he play a role that demands more from him in attack? It doesn't make sense.
Any top manager who inherits Kante will build their team around him. Guarantee that. And yet Sarri hasn't done that. He's not a top manager.
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Actually funnily enough i think Kante's end product this season trumps any output in a season Essien ever produced, and it's no secret that you judge players on goal stats.
posted on 18/3/19
comment by Randomer (U5245)
posted 3 minutes ago
You’re giving the impression that you don’t watch us very often with comments like that.
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Because he doesn't, he admitted he's never been to The Bridge.
posted on 18/3/19
I've been to Stamford Bridge plenty of times.
Kante shouldn't be asked to provide 'end product'. That's not his game and it's ridiculous that there is pressure on him to do so in this system because it's a total misuse of him.
posted on 18/3/19
Wahl when Conte won the league for us you said it wasn't Conte it was all down to Mourinho and it was his team and Conte fackin sucked as a manager
So weird how you are now praising Conte and saying he won the league
posted on 18/3/19
comment by Jose Mourinho, just the Portuguese Fat Sam, teaching 19th century football. Klopp is the better manager, and Eva Caniero was right. #Hazard knows ✌ (U22090)
posted 8 seconds ago
I've been to Stamford Bridge plenty of times.
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You can't even name a fact about the ground or an establishment in the surrounding areas, that is basically an admission you've never been.
posted on 18/3/19
No I didn't, what I said was that Conte won the league with Mourinho's players because he did. The only meaningful addition Conte made to the squad was Kante.
posted on 18/3/19
It’s a really difficult situation for Chelsea with the transfer ban because you quite clearly need a few additions in the squad - to bring up the level of quality but also to give Sarri the type of players that will suit how he wants you to play. There are coaches out there that would probably be better suited to using your current squad in the event that you can’t make any signings, but it’ll be difficult to get them to move to Chelsea if they can’t bring in any players.
posted on 18/3/19
Ed that and they’ll probably think “why would I want to join that fickle bunch of cants”
Read somewhere today that FIFA will give their decision on our appeal before the summer window so we may have time to take it up with CAS if necessary.
posted on 18/3/19
Chances are the ban won’t be overturned, though. It’s usually used as a delaying tactic but it seems FIFA are trying to put a stop to that. I’m not sure what CAS can do in this regard seeing as FIFA have taken a new dtance with regard to transfer bans - there’s no precedent for it, so we’ll have to see how things play out.
Chelsea could offer a good salary to a new coach if they were desperate for a new coach, and I’m sure that there are plenty that would take the job even with a transfer ban, but the best coaches are probably unlikely to show up at the Bridge if the ban sticks.
posted on 18/3/19
Yeah the ban will most likely stick, I’m just assuming the club will try to delay it as you say and get the necessary business done this window before it kicks in.
I was confident of at least getting it delayed due to the difference in treatment of us compared to Barca/Real/Atletico, but now that City are up for a ban as well it gives them the perfect chance to consolidate this new precedent and deny singling us out.
I’m not sure I have faith in the club to make the right signings anyway, even if they do get the opportunity.
posted on 18/3/19
FIFA would have created a shiiiiiitstorm had they tried to set a precedent with Atleti and Real given the delay that Barca had. So they had to wait for it to be a club from another league, unfortunately for you it’s Chelsea. At least we’ll get an idea of how these things will go in the future.
posted on 18/3/19
Good read, exactly my thoughts, well said.
posted on 18/3/19
Certain posters go so far out of their way to avoid giving Sarri any credit that I find myself sounding like some disciple of his simply because I like to give him credit and be positive about him.
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I sympathize with that, I feel it with Jorginho (not just on this forum).
I'm certain I come across as a blind fanboy of him to certain people, when all I'm doing most of the time is giving much needed balance where he's concerned. The voracity at which I leap to his defense is a direct counter measure to the voracity in which others leap to attack him. I'd love to criticize him when I feel like he's doing wrong, but if I do I'd feel as if I'll be pigeon holed in this pile of fans who expect him to ping the ball like Beckham while simultaneously wanting Kante at DM (as if he'd play like that)
posted on 18/3/19
I don't want Kante playing the Jorginho role. The Jorginho role shouldn't exist.
Just change formation and system, play goddamn Kante in his stupid normal position and furrrk Sarriball off and go back to playing like we were before. Easy.
posted on 18/3/19
LegendOsgood
D.A, that’s the issue I have as well. The people who constantly criticise Sarri and Jorginho will call you a fan boy for trying to defend them, like consistent positivity is a bad thing but consistent negativity will save our season
I feel sorry for Jorginho, the guy is a good player and puts the effort in, and I’ve noticed a distinct drop in the team’s performance several times when he’s come off. But because of his association with Sarri he suffers extra scrutiny.
posted on 18/3/19
Or better yet, just fire Sarri and all that will happen on it's own
posted on 18/3/19
Completely agree with Ed's comment aswell.
The transfer ban makes this a really awkward situation. If Sarri had the liability to add to the squad in the summer then sacking him will have effectively meant we wasted a year of progress in a league where everyone around us have gotten stronger (bar Spurs who've stood still). But the problem with that transfer ban is we have too many players where SarriBall's concerned who've reached their limit, players who never had it in them to succeed in it, and it makes keeping Hazard so important it would be worth the risk losing him for free - without him this team's got a hope while Sarri's in charge (don't give me that CHO BS).
If the bans upheld, and the opportunity at someone like Allegri becomes a realistic proposition, I wouldn't blame the club for making that switch even if we win the Europa/get top 4 this season. I'd completely see why they did it.
posted on 18/3/19
*got no hope
posted on 18/3/19
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 28 minutes ago
Certain posters go so far out of their way to avoid giving Sarri any credit that I find myself sounding like some disciple of his simply because I like to give him credit and be positive about him.
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I sympathize with that, I feel it with Jorginho (not just on this forum).
I'm certain I come across as a blind fanboy of him to certain people, when all I'm doing most of the time is giving much needed balance where he's concerned. The voracity at which I leap to his defense is a direct counter measure to the voracity in which others leap to attack him. I'd love to criticize him when I feel like he's doing wrong, but if I do I'd feel as if I'll be pigeon holed in this pile of fans who expect him to ping the ball like Beckham while simultaneously wanting Kante at DM (as if he'd play like that)
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First half against Everton he was very good yet i said at half time on the Haven if we don't win the idiots would be out in force blaming him no matter what, how right was i
posted on 18/3/19
DL11, as a fanbase we do love our scapegoats (suppose that true of every fanbase, but it's still disappointing).
I miss the days when Ramires was the designated scapegoat. Was still annoying but at least most of the criticisms were on the money even if they were blown out of proportion. People don't even criticize Jorginho about the right things, it's SO irritating.
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