"Atkinson, 25, who admitted murder, was told he will serve a minimum of 15 years and 310 days."
Can someone explain this to me. Does this mean he could be released in 20 years etc?
I think in certain cases where there is no doubt over guilt that is what the rope is for.
Also factor in DNA, camera's everywhere, phone signals, number plate recognition there are so many ways to track and identify you these days.
We are way too lenient on violent offenders in this country.
comment by Quadeca (U21807)
posted 45 seconds ago
"Atkinson, 25, who admitted murder, was told he will serve a minimum of 15 years and 310 days."
Can someone explain this to me. Does this mean he could be released in 20 years etc?
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All depends on the parole board.
They'll consider how he's changed, if at all in the time he's been imprisoned. If he has shown genuine remorse etc.
To address the OP, it isn't murder but my youngest brother committed crime that's often perceived to be worse (you can figure it put for yourself).
After the initial disgust, I have been supporting him throughout. He obviously has issues and not all of them his fault, however there are folk in similar positions as him who haven't done what he's done.
It's both nature and nurture. Psychologists continue to debate that but it's obvious it's both.. you should give that documentary on the identical twin/triplet study, where they were separated at birth a watch. It goes into it a bit.
Three identical strangers its called
comment by Prankster (U6283)
posted 4 minutes ago
I think in certain cases where there is no doubt over guilt that is what the rope is for.
Also factor in DNA, camera's everywhere, phone signals, number plate recognition there are so many ways to track and identify you these days.
We are way too lenient on violent offenders in this country.
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Capital punishment has zero effect on prevention of murder and other serious crimes.
Been countless studies that have proven that.
Why would you give him the easy way out? Let him rot for the rest of his life.
If you stab someone that many times, there is something deeply wrong with you. Is there any way back to normality for someone who can stab a young girl over 100 times?
This man is clearly a nutcase and has no place in society.
Death penalty doesn’t solve anything. He should be a slave to the system and tortured.
RIP to that beautiful young girl, I can’t imagine what the family are going through.
comment by JukeboxJunkie (U10162)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Prankster (U6283)
posted 4 minutes ago
I think in certain cases where there is no doubt over guilt that is what the rope is for.
Also factor in DNA, camera's everywhere, phone signals, number plate recognition there are so many ways to track and identify you these days.
We are way too lenient on violent offenders in this country.
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Capital punishment has zero effect on prevention of murder and other serious crimes.
Been countless studies that have proven that.
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Probably has a degree or two of truth.
But then the person carrying out the murder isn't likely to do it again. Are you saying that murderers aren't ever released and recommit the same offence? I'd suggest zero is a bold statement, great sound bite, but probably not the truth of it.
As a society we'd save a fortune on housing and feeding them.
The only really compelling argument for not stringing up, lining against a wall, or throwing a few volts through them, is the history of false imprisonments, even when evidence seemed compelling.
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If you think a high security prison, here or abroad, is a balanced place to live out the rest of your life, you're reading the Guardian too much.
In my view a full life prison term is sufficient punishment. I would like to see the authorities look into the use of chain gangs as used in the US. Being of use to society, in addition to being incarcerated without the chance of parole is appealing to me.
What's the purpose of prison - to punish the offender or to rehabilitate?
No winners in this at all. Two devastated families coming to terms with this.
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 1 minute ago
What's the purpose of prison - to punish the offender or to rehabilitate?
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It depends upon the crime. For first degree murder, I believe that prison is for punishment. The offender should be given an opportunity to earn certain privileges via good behaviour plus productive work.
their response is largely unanimous around it being God's plan, that the victim will have a special place in Heaven. Really?
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If this murder is part of God's plan then God is responsible for the horrific death and the perpetrator was helping God carry out his plan and is going to spend years in prison for doing God's will.
Really?
comment by Sgt Wilko 92 (U5983)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 1 minute ago
What's the purpose of prison - to punish the offender or to rehabilitate?
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It depends upon the crime. For first degree murder, I believe that prison is for punishment. The offender should be given an opportunity to earn certain privileges via good behaviour plus productive work.
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I totally agree.
There has to be both punishment and rehabilitation.
As for if he was your son, you can't disown him. What good does that do anyone.
comment by Bianco Blanco (U2142)
posted 11 minutes ago
their response is largely unanimous around it being God's plan, that the victim will have a special place in Heaven. Really?
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If this murder is part of God's plan then God is responsible for the horrific death and the perpetrator was helping God carry out his plan and is going to spend years in prison for doing God's will.
Really?
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If you believe in such things, then why is that hard to accept?
The Christian God is a vengeful God, and according to the Bible has been responsible for a significant amount of deaths.
“you should give that documentary on the identical twin/triplet study, where they were separated at birth a watch. It goes into it a bit.
Three identical strangers its called”
Just watched that recently. Incredible story
“The Christian God is a vengeful God”
God, Shmod. Sook my rod.
comment by Quadeca (U21807)
posted 1 hour, 49 minutes ago
"Atkinson, 25, who admitted murder, was told he will serve a minimum of 15 years and 310 days."
Can someone explain this to me. Does this mean he could be released in 20 years etc?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Pretty sure the victim would have lived longer than that had they not been killed, so how is that justice? Its nonsense.
Rod Hull?
Now one of the 3 emu puppets he had was placed inside his coffin ⚰️.
One of the Orville the ducks received a similar fate when his owner passed on.
In 300 years time, can you imagine the look on workers faces when they dig up the cemetery for housing and find those two in coffins.
It isn't justice in my opinion, which is why I firmly believe in a full life sentence. I listened to something on Radio 5 about a Nottingham woman who's brother was murdered 13 years ago. The murderer has now been rehabilitated and is now due for release. Is her brother going to rise from the dead? Unfair and unjust.
comment by Shaun M - F**k off to the football league (U9955)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Quadeca (U21807)
posted 1 hour, 49 minutes ago
"Atkinson, 25, who admitted murder, was told he will serve a minimum of 15 years and 310 days."
Can someone explain this to me. Does this mean he could be released in 20 years etc?
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Pretty sure the victim would have lived longer than that had they not been killed, so how is that justice? Its nonsense.
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Well in the same way I would argue that it is a disgrace to see drunk or drugged up drivers killing someone but doing 5 years and then allowed back out. It's the same principal for me "you killed someone" by acting selfishly and irresponsibly it wasn't an "accident" so you should have a much more severe sentence.
Do people deserve the chance of redemption though?
Its a subject that has so many view points..
is a murder from the act of a temper, or a moment of madness different to a planned, pre-meditated murder?
I think its fair to say that all humans have 'snapped' seen the red mist at some point in their lives, but of course we don't go to the extreme of murdering people.
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comment by Zachsda(2019/20 going for 55) (U1850)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by The Spanish Italians (U21595)
posted 8 seconds ago
Do people deserve the chance of redemption though?
Its a subject that has so many view points..
is a murder from the act of a temper, or a moment of madness different to a planned, pre-meditated murder?
I think its fair to say that all humans have 'snapped' seen the red mist at some point in their lives, but of course we don't go to the extreme of murdering people.
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It's why the court systems recognize different levels of "murder".
Murder, manslaughter, involuntary manslaughter etc.
Intent has a lot to do with sentencing.
A workmate lost his son a few years ago, he got into a fight outside a club they punched each other once and he hit his head and never woke up the next morning.Essentially to boys doing what a lot of young boys do, not the same as a premeditated act
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A perfect summation, thank you Zachsda!
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posted on 17/4/19
"Atkinson, 25, who admitted murder, was told he will serve a minimum of 15 years and 310 days."
Can someone explain this to me. Does this mean he could be released in 20 years etc?
posted on 17/4/19
I think in certain cases where there is no doubt over guilt that is what the rope is for.
Also factor in DNA, camera's everywhere, phone signals, number plate recognition there are so many ways to track and identify you these days.
We are way too lenient on violent offenders in this country.
posted on 17/4/19
comment by Quadeca (U21807)
posted 45 seconds ago
"Atkinson, 25, who admitted murder, was told he will serve a minimum of 15 years and 310 days."
Can someone explain this to me. Does this mean he could be released in 20 years etc?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
All depends on the parole board.
They'll consider how he's changed, if at all in the time he's been imprisoned. If he has shown genuine remorse etc.
To address the OP, it isn't murder but my youngest brother committed crime that's often perceived to be worse (you can figure it put for yourself).
After the initial disgust, I have been supporting him throughout. He obviously has issues and not all of them his fault, however there are folk in similar positions as him who haven't done what he's done.
It's both nature and nurture. Psychologists continue to debate that but it's obvious it's both.. you should give that documentary on the identical twin/triplet study, where they were separated at birth a watch. It goes into it a bit.
Three identical strangers its called
posted on 17/4/19
comment by Prankster (U6283)
posted 4 minutes ago
I think in certain cases where there is no doubt over guilt that is what the rope is for.
Also factor in DNA, camera's everywhere, phone signals, number plate recognition there are so many ways to track and identify you these days.
We are way too lenient on violent offenders in this country.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Capital punishment has zero effect on prevention of murder and other serious crimes.
Been countless studies that have proven that.
posted on 17/4/19
Why would you give him the easy way out? Let him rot for the rest of his life.
posted on 17/4/19
If you stab someone that many times, there is something deeply wrong with you. Is there any way back to normality for someone who can stab a young girl over 100 times?
This man is clearly a nutcase and has no place in society.
Death penalty doesn’t solve anything. He should be a slave to the system and tortured.
RIP to that beautiful young girl, I can’t imagine what the family are going through.
posted on 17/4/19
comment by JukeboxJunkie (U10162)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Prankster (U6283)
posted 4 minutes ago
I think in certain cases where there is no doubt over guilt that is what the rope is for.
Also factor in DNA, camera's everywhere, phone signals, number plate recognition there are so many ways to track and identify you these days.
We are way too lenient on violent offenders in this country.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Capital punishment has zero effect on prevention of murder and other serious crimes.
Been countless studies that have proven that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Probably has a degree or two of truth.
But then the person carrying out the murder isn't likely to do it again. Are you saying that murderers aren't ever released and recommit the same offence? I'd suggest zero is a bold statement, great sound bite, but probably not the truth of it.
As a society we'd save a fortune on housing and feeding them.
The only really compelling argument for not stringing up, lining against a wall, or throwing a few volts through them, is the history of false imprisonments, even when evidence seemed compelling.
posted on 17/4/19
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 17/4/19
If you think a high security prison, here or abroad, is a balanced place to live out the rest of your life, you're reading the Guardian too much.
posted on 17/4/19
In my view a full life prison term is sufficient punishment. I would like to see the authorities look into the use of chain gangs as used in the US. Being of use to society, in addition to being incarcerated without the chance of parole is appealing to me.
posted on 17/4/19
What's the purpose of prison - to punish the offender or to rehabilitate?
posted on 17/4/19
No winners in this at all. Two devastated families coming to terms with this.
posted on 17/4/19
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 1 minute ago
What's the purpose of prison - to punish the offender or to rehabilitate?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It depends upon the crime. For first degree murder, I believe that prison is for punishment. The offender should be given an opportunity to earn certain privileges via good behaviour plus productive work.
posted on 17/4/19
their response is largely unanimous around it being God's plan, that the victim will have a special place in Heaven. Really?
-------------------
If this murder is part of God's plan then God is responsible for the horrific death and the perpetrator was helping God carry out his plan and is going to spend years in prison for doing God's will.
Really?
posted on 17/4/19
comment by Sgt Wilko 92 (U5983)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 1 minute ago
What's the purpose of prison - to punish the offender or to rehabilitate?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It depends upon the crime. For first degree murder, I believe that prison is for punishment. The offender should be given an opportunity to earn certain privileges via good behaviour plus productive work.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I totally agree.
There has to be both punishment and rehabilitation.
As for if he was your son, you can't disown him. What good does that do anyone.
posted on 17/4/19
comment by Bianco Blanco (U2142)
posted 11 minutes ago
their response is largely unanimous around it being God's plan, that the victim will have a special place in Heaven. Really?
-------------------
If this murder is part of God's plan then God is responsible for the horrific death and the perpetrator was helping God carry out his plan and is going to spend years in prison for doing God's will.
Really?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If you believe in such things, then why is that hard to accept?
The Christian God is a vengeful God, and according to the Bible has been responsible for a significant amount of deaths.
posted on 17/4/19
“you should give that documentary on the identical twin/triplet study, where they were separated at birth a watch. It goes into it a bit.
Three identical strangers its called”
Just watched that recently. Incredible story
posted on 17/4/19
“The Christian God is a vengeful God”
God, Shmod. Sook my rod.
posted on 17/4/19
comment by Quadeca (U21807)
posted 1 hour, 49 minutes ago
"Atkinson, 25, who admitted murder, was told he will serve a minimum of 15 years and 310 days."
Can someone explain this to me. Does this mean he could be released in 20 years etc?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Pretty sure the victim would have lived longer than that had they not been killed, so how is that justice? Its nonsense.
posted on 17/4/19
Rod Hull?
Now one of the 3 emu puppets he had was placed inside his coffin ⚰️.
One of the Orville the ducks received a similar fate when his owner passed on.
In 300 years time, can you imagine the look on workers faces when they dig up the cemetery for housing and find those two in coffins.
posted on 17/4/19
It isn't justice in my opinion, which is why I firmly believe in a full life sentence. I listened to something on Radio 5 about a Nottingham woman who's brother was murdered 13 years ago. The murderer has now been rehabilitated and is now due for release. Is her brother going to rise from the dead? Unfair and unjust.
posted on 17/4/19
comment by Shaun M - F**k off to the football league (U9955)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Quadeca (U21807)
posted 1 hour, 49 minutes ago
"Atkinson, 25, who admitted murder, was told he will serve a minimum of 15 years and 310 days."
Can someone explain this to me. Does this mean he could be released in 20 years etc?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Pretty sure the victim would have lived longer than that had they not been killed, so how is that justice? Its nonsense.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well in the same way I would argue that it is a disgrace to see drunk or drugged up drivers killing someone but doing 5 years and then allowed back out. It's the same principal for me "you killed someone" by acting selfishly and irresponsibly it wasn't an "accident" so you should have a much more severe sentence.
posted on 17/4/19
Do people deserve the chance of redemption though?
Its a subject that has so many view points..
is a murder from the act of a temper, or a moment of madness different to a planned, pre-meditated murder?
I think its fair to say that all humans have 'snapped' seen the red mist at some point in their lives, but of course we don't go to the extreme of murdering people.
posted on 17/4/19
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 17/4/19
comment by Zachsda(2019/20 going for 55) (U1850)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by The Spanish Italians (U21595)
posted 8 seconds ago
Do people deserve the chance of redemption though?
Its a subject that has so many view points..
is a murder from the act of a temper, or a moment of madness different to a planned, pre-meditated murder?
I think its fair to say that all humans have 'snapped' seen the red mist at some point in their lives, but of course we don't go to the extreme of murdering people.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's why the court systems recognize different levels of "murder".
Murder, manslaughter, involuntary manslaughter etc.
Intent has a lot to do with sentencing.
A workmate lost his son a few years ago, he got into a fight outside a club they punched each other once and he hit his head and never woke up the next morning.Essentially to boys doing what a lot of young boys do, not the same as a premeditated act
----------------------------------------------------------------------
A perfect summation, thank you Zachsda!
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