Evra isn't wrong saying other players have underperformed though.

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comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 1 hour, 48 minutes ago
Bit disingenuous to compare the Sterling and Pogba situations. In fact it’s insulting to compare the two
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You know nothing about that type of targeted abuse. Stick to your Ole our articles!
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Are you saying Pogba is singled out because of his skin colour?
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A mixture of things including that, being foreign, his culture as well. They way some sub-Saharan Africans are regardless of money, flamboyant with hair cuts and express themselves by dancing, these things are frowned upon over here.

Pogba dances and Giggs schags his brothers wife, if we want to criticise what people do off the pitch let’s do it to everybody in the same way. The Old Trafford faithful sing songs about Giggs schagging who he wants and celebrate that deplorable act. On Sunday Pogba was told to “stick this on Instagram” and the fan makes a rude gesture.

This is the exact same type of double standards Sterling suffered. Only in this case, dancing on Insta and impregnating your brothers wife aren’t even comparable. This whole thing is agenda driven, it doesn’t matter what happens at the club Pogbas face is slapped all over the front pages.

If we want to criticise the football then you have a reasonable argument. Then you can say, look at Giggs, look at what he achieved.

Nobody has the right to berate a player like that, I’m sure if it happened in the streets in front of a police officer it wouldn’t be allowed to happen.
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I just don't buy that.

Okocha, for example, was loved by pretty much everyone in the UK. I never heard anyone say anything negative about him and he was flamboyant both on and off the pitch.

Pogba simply doesn't put in enough effort to keep the fans onside. I have lost count of the times he has failed to track runners and on several occasions it has cost us goals. It just so happened that he did it again at the weekend at the end of a very disappointing campaign and he bore the brunt of 1 or 2 fans anger.

I can see that what happened with Sterling was totally out of order, with the press making up all kinds of rubbish and pushing and agenda. But with Pogba, I think it comes down his lack of effort at certain times on the pitch.

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He played for Bolton. Brits love an underdog. If he was at Arsenal or United, I doubt he'd get the same reaction as the scrutiny he'd be under would be huge.

Giggs bonking his sister in law probably comes down to vote long he's been in the game and how many contacts he has in the press.

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comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 2 minutes ago
Pogba's antics on Instagram don't bother me in the slightest to be honest. If he was giving 100% on the pitch then there wouldn't be an issue. However, because he brings this attention on himself he is also going to be a target.

Very different to Giggs who kept things hidden rather well for years! Giggs also performed on the pitch too and, even if having a bad game, the effort was always clearly there.
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Good points.

Didn't Giggs even try the courts to keep it hidden?

He's so very different to how Pogba is.
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Very honourable that. Didn't want us United fans to think badly of him.

Pogba has two years left on his deal with the option of a further year. But he wants out, yet will be willing to stay and run his contract down. You make no sense.

Ffs I’d rather debate with Rob.

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He played for Bolton. Brits love an underdog. If he was at Arsenal or United, I doubt he'd get the same reaction as the scrutiny he'd be under would be huge.

Giggs bonking his sister in law probably comes down to vote long he's been in the game and how many contacts he has in the press.
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I think that it more likely comes down to the fact that he had played for the club for so long, given great service and won so much with the club. It is always going to be difficult for fans that have such a connection with a player to turn on him.

There isn't that same connection with Pogba. He hasn't been good enough during his time at United and many fans don't believe that he cares enough. You also have to factor in that he left the club at a young age in acrimonious circumstances.

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Even if we'd have known Giggs was like that all along I wouldn't really care as long as he's not breaking the law and is performing on the pitch. There's Hello magazine if you're worried about that.

Pogba simply hasn't done it on a consistent enough basis. If he could then there wouldn't be an issue at all.

comment by Dave NotSo (U11711)
posted 57 seconds ago

Well said, Elvis.

The lack of effort and attitude is the issue for most frustration with him.

He really is so good on his day (which isn't as consistent as it should), and he wants to be a leader. The talent is clearly in abundance but the mentality isn't.
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Indeed. We all know what he is capable of. He could easily be one of the very best (perhaps the best) midfielder in world football. He just doesn't have the right attitude to do it. He will never reach his potential in my opinion.

The thing is the mental fragility and poor application in the face of adversity is rife in this squad, it’s not just Pogba.

I can kind of understand it as well. There are high expectations of Manchester United, and I think there must be a realisation that the they just aren’t up to it and their heads drop.

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comment by Ed The King Woodward (U10026)
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The thing is the mental fragility and poor application in the face of adversity is rife in this squad, it’s not just Pogba.

I can kind of understand it as well. There are high expectations of Manchester United, and I think there must be a realisation that the they just aren’t up to it and their heads drop.
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I can understand the last paragraph when we're up against the best in the PL and CL but surely, for most games, even if we're not as good as what we were, we should be the ones bossing it? The mentality is poor though and another thing (in a pretty long list) that needs to improve.

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But he won’t just run his contract down so it’s completely irrelevant.

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posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Dave NotSo (U11711)
posted 57 seconds ago

Well said, Elvis.

The lack of effort and attitude is the issue for most frustration with him.

He really is so good on his day (which isn't as consistent as it should), and he wants to be a leader. The talent is clearly in abundance but the mentality isn't.
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Indeed. We all know what he is capable of. He could easily be one of the very best (perhaps the best) midfielder in world football. He just doesn't have the right attitude to do it. He will never reach his potential in my opinion.
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He's nowhere near the best midfielder in World Football, get your head checked pronto.

Diafol, I don’t just mean in terms of playing better teams, though. I mean the realisation that they aren’t good enough to be champions. If you don’t believe you can be champions and you play for Manchester United then you won’t be committed every game, and once that mentality seeps into the squad it’s very difficult to change.

It’s what happened with Arsenal, even when they had teams that were capable under Wenger.

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comment by Dave NotSo (U11711)
posted 57 seconds ago

Well said, Elvis.

The lack of effort and attitude is the issue for most frustration with him.

He really is so good on his day (which isn't as consistent as it should), and he wants to be a leader. The talent is clearly in abundance but the mentality isn't.
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Indeed. We all know what he is capable of. He could easily be one of the very best (perhaps the best) midfielder in world football. He just doesn't have the right attitude to do it. He will never reach his potential in my opinion.
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He's nowhere near the best midfielder in World Football, get your head checked pronto.
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Did you miss the word "could"

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comment by Ed The King Woodward (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
Diafol, I don’t just mean in terms of playing better teams, though. I mean the realisation that they aren’t good enough to be champions. If you don’t believe you can be champions and you play for Manchester United then you won’t be committed every game, and once that mentality seeps into the squad it’s very difficult to change.

It’s what happened with Arsenal, even when they had teams that were capable under Wenger.
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Fair comment but, as a fan, that isn't good enough for me. It's a poor mentality as you say.

Let's hope next season we're a bit more fearless in games and give it a go.

It also comes from the manager as well. I don’t think any of them truly believed they had what it took to be champions. Especially Mourinho. If the players, fans and manager don’t believe you can be the champs then what chance do you have?

This is the fundamental thing that was lost with Fergie. The players, fans and manager didn’t just believe they had what it took to be champions, they expected it.

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Elvis (U7425)

I think he will abroad. When was the last time a player did well at United? Maybe Ibra. They come here and struggle: falcao, di maria, pogba etc

Pogba will do well at another club imho.
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He probably will do well at another club where the pace is slower and he has more time on the ball.