Also consider that the Yugoslavian and Russian leagues didn’t really have that problem and were almost like mini super leagues in their structure, with most of the best talent centralised there. Their dissolution has had a major impact on that area of Europe on a huge scale.
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
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comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
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And the possibility of the 6th best team in one league being given the moniker Champions of Europe doesn't sound a bit stupid to you?
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Chelsea won the CL and finished 6th in the PL.
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And we're widely regarded as one of the weakest Champions League winners of all time. You just proved my point for me.
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Who gives a fack if you are regarded as one of the weakest CL winners of all time? You were Champions of Europe, end of. Opinion on quality matters not.
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True but doesn't address my point at all.
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Yes it does. You said the moniker of "Champions of Europe" would sound silly if 6th in PL won it, yet it didn't. Chelsea were Champions of Europe.
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And yet nobody (besides ourselves) saw us a credible Champions League winners in any way, hence you made my point for me. In my opinion we completely deserved it, but that's not the general conscious I assure you - most people found it 'silly'.
Bottom line is The Champions League was created on the basis of pitted Europe's league winning clubs against each other, the first ever one was a 16 teams knockout tournament featuring only title winning clubs. I get football's evolved since 1955 and a gulf in class has emerged between the leagues, but at some point a line has to be drawn to uphold the traditions of what the Champions League is about. The 6th place team of any European nation gaining entry into it is a mockery of what the competition stands for (more than it's already become).
hence you made my point for me.
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He did the opposite actually, he disproved it.
But it wasn’t because you were sixth, it’s because it was one of the biggest flukes ever witnessed in football. Chelsea finishing 1st, 6th or 20th wouldn’t have made any difference to that perception. Forest finished 5th when they won their second European Cuo, I don’t think it’s something people make a big deal of. I do agree six teams being in the CL is taking the mick, though.
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 11 seconds ago
And the possibility of the 6th best team in one league being given the moniker Champions of Europe doesn't sound a bit stupid to you?
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Chelsea won the CL and finished 6th in the PL.
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And we're widely regarded as one of the weakest Champions League winners of all time. You just proved my point for me.
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Who gives a fack if you are regarded as one of the weakest CL winners of all time? You were Champions of Europe, end of. Opinion on quality matters not.
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True but doesn't address my point at all.
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Yes it does. You said the moniker of "Champions of Europe" would sound silly if 6th in PL won it, yet it didn't. Chelsea were Champions of Europe.
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And yet nobody (besides ourselves) saw us a credible Champions League winners in any way, hence you made my point for me. In my opinion we completely deserved it, but that's not the general conscious I assure you - most people found it 'silly'.
Bottom line is The Champions League was created on the basis of pitted Europe's league winning clubs against each other, the first ever one was a 16 teams knockout tournament featuring only title winning clubs. I get football's evolved since 1955 and a gulf in class has emerged between the leagues, but at some point a line has to be drawn to uphold the traditions of what the Champions League is about. The 6th place team of any European nation gaining entry into it is a mockery of what the competition stands for (more than it's already become).
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This isnt true.
The first European Cup involved teams hand picked by l'Equipe and based on prestige and popularity.
In fact at least one team in the first edition has never won a league title...
And yet nobody (besides ourselves) saw us a credible Champions League winners in any way, hence you made my point for me. In my opinion we completely deserved it, but that's not the general conscious I assure you - most people found it 'silly'.
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How were Chelsea not credible winners. They won it.
Just a weird argument.
Just looked that up. Your completely right. I don't recall where I heard that league winners thing (I even thought Chelsea were barred from the first one for a different reason lol), but yeah.... your spot on.
I still don't agree with the premise though, even though you shattered my tradition argument . There's no telling where the buck stops if only the best teams (which in itself is a matter of opinion) are allowed entry.
It's hard, because it has to be competitive. But it also has to be representative of the continent. But the gaps are massive and it is impossible to fix it.
Arsenal and United would both embarrass themselves and the country if they were in the CL, so definitely no.
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posted 10 hours, 47 minutes ago
comment by Wahl Might (U22137)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody - as a rule I don't trust a man who doesn't drink but I do trust James Milner (U6374)
posted 14 seconds ago
No
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How?
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Well London clubs have one European Cup between so clearly theyre not good enough are they.
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well by that train of thought scousers have no place in the premier league they havent got one between them
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 10 hours, 26 minutes ago
comment by Wahl Might (U22137)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by Wahl Might (U22137)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Wahl Might (U22137)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 20 seconds ago
Champions league should be a reward, not a guarantee
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Would the competiton not be more interesting with more teams who could be a threat?
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Not really, because they're not more of a threat
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Well United reached the quarter finals and Chelsea and Arsenal finished above them so evidently they are more capable of competing in the Champions League than most other teams in the competition
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But they have no chance of winning it so who cares
Would the premier league be less interesting if you knew exactly who was going to get champions league every season?
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Higher quality ties which would be better spectacles would be one huge reason. Barcelona vs Chelsea or Barcelona vs Lyon? Schalke vs City or Arsenal vs City?
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You're also decreasing the number of potential upsets which are some of the best moments in the champions league, Celtic beatng Barca, BATE bearing bayern, Chelsea beating bayern, helsinborg beating inter etc
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strange that spurs beating city wasnt on that list
The top 10 in England / Spain are better than some of the champion in the champions league never mind top 6 . The europa league is a bit of a joke at this point .
comment by Wahl Might (U22137)
posted 17 hours, 26 minutes ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 20 seconds ago
Champions league should be a reward, not a guarantee
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Would the competiton not be more interesting with more teams who could be a threat?
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No.
I for one would always prefer to watch my team play a foreign team every day rather than another PL team.
Also, ask ANY City fan, they must be piѕѕed off with meeting PL clubs in the CL.
I would honestly prefer only top 2 teams from every UEFA nation enter the CL. The next 2 teams in the EL and the return of the CWC for winners (or best placed teams not already in Europe) of each league's domestic cups.
You also asked would people rather watch Barca v Lyon or Barca v Utd?
Why not RM v Ajax?
Cup competitions are more about upsets (giant killing) than the big hitters slugging it out every round. Remove that element and you kill the whole competition.
Cup competitions are more about upsets (giant killing) than the big hitters slugging it out every round. Remove that element and you kill the whole competition.
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In your opinion.
Strange that people want more equal representation, yet the viewing figures for games between the lesser nations are near zero and the ones with the big clubs still are high.
Wonder how many would tune in for AEK Athens against Plzen in a CL quarter final compared to Barca vs Bayern
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posted on 5/6/19
Also consider that the Yugoslavian and Russian leagues didn’t really have that problem and were almost like mini super leagues in their structure, with most of the best talent centralised there. Their dissolution has had a major impact on that area of Europe on a huge scale.
posted on 5/6/19
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 11 seconds ago
And the possibility of the 6th best team in one league being given the moniker Champions of Europe doesn't sound a bit stupid to you?
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Chelsea won the CL and finished 6th in the PL.
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And we're widely regarded as one of the weakest Champions League winners of all time. You just proved my point for me.
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Who gives a fack if you are regarded as one of the weakest CL winners of all time? You were Champions of Europe, end of. Opinion on quality matters not.
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True but doesn't address my point at all.
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Yes it does. You said the moniker of "Champions of Europe" would sound silly if 6th in PL won it, yet it didn't. Chelsea were Champions of Europe.
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And yet nobody (besides ourselves) saw us a credible Champions League winners in any way, hence you made my point for me. In my opinion we completely deserved it, but that's not the general conscious I assure you - most people found it 'silly'.
Bottom line is The Champions League was created on the basis of pitted Europe's league winning clubs against each other, the first ever one was a 16 teams knockout tournament featuring only title winning clubs. I get football's evolved since 1955 and a gulf in class has emerged between the leagues, but at some point a line has to be drawn to uphold the traditions of what the Champions League is about. The 6th place team of any European nation gaining entry into it is a mockery of what the competition stands for (more than it's already become).
posted on 5/6/19
hence you made my point for me.
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He did the opposite actually, he disproved it.
posted on 5/6/19
But it wasn’t because you were sixth, it’s because it was one of the biggest flukes ever witnessed in football. Chelsea finishing 1st, 6th or 20th wouldn’t have made any difference to that perception. Forest finished 5th when they won their second European Cuo, I don’t think it’s something people make a big deal of. I do agree six teams being in the CL is taking the mick, though.
posted on 5/6/19
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 11 seconds ago
And the possibility of the 6th best team in one league being given the moniker Champions of Europe doesn't sound a bit stupid to you?
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Chelsea won the CL and finished 6th in the PL.
--------------------------------------------------
And we're widely regarded as one of the weakest Champions League winners of all time. You just proved my point for me.
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Who gives a fack if you are regarded as one of the weakest CL winners of all time? You were Champions of Europe, end of. Opinion on quality matters not.
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True but doesn't address my point at all.
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Yes it does. You said the moniker of "Champions of Europe" would sound silly if 6th in PL won it, yet it didn't. Chelsea were Champions of Europe.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
And yet nobody (besides ourselves) saw us a credible Champions League winners in any way, hence you made my point for me. In my opinion we completely deserved it, but that's not the general conscious I assure you - most people found it 'silly'.
Bottom line is The Champions League was created on the basis of pitted Europe's league winning clubs against each other, the first ever one was a 16 teams knockout tournament featuring only title winning clubs. I get football's evolved since 1955 and a gulf in class has emerged between the leagues, but at some point a line has to be drawn to uphold the traditions of what the Champions League is about. The 6th place team of any European nation gaining entry into it is a mockery of what the competition stands for (more than it's already become).
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This isnt true.
The first European Cup involved teams hand picked by l'Equipe and based on prestige and popularity.
posted on 5/6/19
In fact at least one team in the first edition has never won a league title...
posted on 5/6/19
And yet nobody (besides ourselves) saw us a credible Champions League winners in any way, hence you made my point for me. In my opinion we completely deserved it, but that's not the general conscious I assure you - most people found it 'silly'.
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How were Chelsea not credible winners. They won it.
Just a weird argument.
posted on 5/6/19
Just looked that up. Your completely right. I don't recall where I heard that league winners thing (I even thought Chelsea were barred from the first one for a different reason lol), but yeah.... your spot on.
I still don't agree with the premise though, even though you shattered my tradition argument . There's no telling where the buck stops if only the best teams (which in itself is a matter of opinion) are allowed entry.
posted on 5/6/19
It's hard, because it has to be competitive. But it also has to be representative of the continent. But the gaps are massive and it is impossible to fix it.
posted on 6/6/19
Arsenal and United would both embarrass themselves and the country if they were in the CL, so definitely no.
posted on 6/6/19
comment by Robbing_Hoody - as a rule I don't trust a man who doesn't drink but I do trust James Milner (U6374)
posted 10 hours, 47 minutes ago
comment by Wahl Might (U22137)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody - as a rule I don't trust a man who doesn't drink but I do trust James Milner (U6374)
posted 14 seconds ago
No
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How?
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Well London clubs have one European Cup between so clearly theyre not good enough are they.
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well by that train of thought scousers have no place in the premier league they havent got one between them
posted on 6/6/19
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 10 hours, 26 minutes ago
comment by Wahl Might (U22137)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by Wahl Might (U22137)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Wahl Might (U22137)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 20 seconds ago
Champions league should be a reward, not a guarantee
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Would the competiton not be more interesting with more teams who could be a threat?
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Not really, because they're not more of a threat
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Well United reached the quarter finals and Chelsea and Arsenal finished above them so evidently they are more capable of competing in the Champions League than most other teams in the competition
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But they have no chance of winning it so who cares
Would the premier league be less interesting if you knew exactly who was going to get champions league every season?
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Higher quality ties which would be better spectacles would be one huge reason. Barcelona vs Chelsea or Barcelona vs Lyon? Schalke vs City or Arsenal vs City?
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You're also decreasing the number of potential upsets which are some of the best moments in the champions league, Celtic beatng Barca, BATE bearing bayern, Chelsea beating bayern, helsinborg beating inter etc
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strange that spurs beating city wasnt on that list
posted on 6/6/19
The top 10 in England / Spain are better than some of the champion in the champions league never mind top 6 . The europa league is a bit of a joke at this point .
posted on 6/6/19
comment by Wahl Might (U22137)
posted 17 hours, 26 minutes ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 20 seconds ago
Champions league should be a reward, not a guarantee
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Would the competiton not be more interesting with more teams who could be a threat?
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No.
I for one would always prefer to watch my team play a foreign team every day rather than another PL team.
Also, ask ANY City fan, they must be piѕѕed off with meeting PL clubs in the CL.
I would honestly prefer only top 2 teams from every UEFA nation enter the CL. The next 2 teams in the EL and the return of the CWC for winners (or best placed teams not already in Europe) of each league's domestic cups.
You also asked would people rather watch Barca v Lyon or Barca v Utd?
Why not RM v Ajax?
Cup competitions are more about upsets (giant killing) than the big hitters slugging it out every round. Remove that element and you kill the whole competition.
posted on 6/6/19
Cup competitions are more about upsets (giant killing) than the big hitters slugging it out every round. Remove that element and you kill the whole competition.
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In your opinion.
posted on 6/6/19
Strange that people want more equal representation, yet the viewing figures for games between the lesser nations are near zero and the ones with the big clubs still are high.
Wonder how many would tune in for AEK Athens against Plzen in a CL quarter final compared to Barca vs Bayern
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