His agent's his immediate family. It's always been my feeling, based on no other information other than gut feeling, that his family look on him as their golden egg and looking to make their fortune on him.
Can only think that Cho's waiting for the appointment of Lamps+Morris to be official before officially committing to anything.
If that's not the case then the club have done all they can to keep him and there's not much else to say apart from goodbye.
You’d think Bayern would only bid if they’d got assurances from the player that he wants to go there.
comment by Ed The King Woodward (U10026)
posted 5 minutes ago
You’d think Bayern would only bid if they’d got assurances from the player that he wants to go there.
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True Darren, which only adds to the smell here.
I don't doubt CHO's ability but he should look at Solanke as an example of how a promising player left big bad Chelsea to join Liverpool when essentially it was a way of 'pool making a profit on him by offloading him to Bournemouth. The grass is not always greener.
I think there's a bit of a gulf in ability between Solanke and Odoi Bov!
And it wouldn't be beyond the realms of reality that he's waiting to find out if the Lampard/Morris combo is in place before he commits!
I reckon, with our transfer problems the club will keep him for the final year of his contract anyway!
Ultimately - it's all guess work!
It's also possible that this is just a way of negotiating for the very best possible deal with Chelsea. If that is the case - then fair play to him and his representatives.
Otherwise - I would be surprised if Bayern were offering to pay him more than Chelsea are offering. So does he think he will get more game time at Bayern? Maybe the agents will get a big payday if he signs for a new club - but that apart I can't really see why he would go. He would have to settle into a new country, with a new language, and new league. Maybe he thinks that - looking at players like Sancho - he will come back in a few years with a much higher international profile. But he's already broken into the Chelsea first team, so that just doesn't seem relevant anymore. And with Lampard/Morris returning to the club (presumably) and a transfer ban in place - he will surely get a great opportunity this coming season.
If he chooses to leave at this stage, I don't think Chelsea fans will blame the club (unlike a number of fans this past year). It will be down to CHO, and he would leave under a cloud.
comment by BlueJ2 (U4630)
posted 49 minutes ago
It's also possible that this is just a way of negotiating for the very best possible deal with Chelsea. If that is the case - then fair play to him and his representatives.
Otherwise - I would be surprised if Bayern were offering to pay him more than Chelsea are offering. So does he think he will get more game time at Bayern? Maybe the agents will get a big payday if he signs for a new club - but that apart I can't really see why he would go. He would have to settle into a new country, with a new language, and new league. Maybe he thinks that - looking at players like Sancho - he will come back in a few years with a much higher international profile. But he's already broken into the Chelsea first team, so that just doesn't seem relevant anymore. And with Lampard/Morris returning to the club (presumably) and a transfer ban in place - he will surely get a great opportunity this coming season.
If he chooses to leave at this stage, I don't think Chelsea fans will blame the club (unlike a number of fans this past year). It will be down to CHO, and he would leave under a cloud.
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comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 1 hour, 49 minutes ago
I think there's a bit of a gulf in ability between Solanke and Odoi Bov!
And it wouldn't be beyond the realms of reality that he's waiting to find out if the Lampard/Morris combo is in place before he commits!
I reckon, with our transfer problems the club will keep him for the final year of his contract anyway!
Ultimately - it's all guess work!
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I get what Bovs saying though.
How many youth have left us thinking the grass the greener? In some cases I can understand it but if Odoi leaves now on the back of 25 appearances at 18 including a cup final would have been 2 but for injury and his youth coaches becoming part of the coaching team then for me it would be pretty clear that it's been his intention to leave us for quite some time no matter what.
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
His agent's his immediate family. It's always been my feeling, based on no other information other than gut feeling, that his family look on him as their golden egg and looking to make their fortune on him.
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This is a bit ridiculous and tin foily, not to mention very cruel on the family. Even if this was true, his family are already guaranteed to make a fortune from him so its been achieved already. To me, it looks like they just want whats best for him and his developent, money is guaranteed now.
Lots of footballers have relatives as agents. You see it this way because in your mind, you can't fathom why he hasn't signed for Chelsea. Everything is in place, no? Its normal for fans to be a bit blinkered though but going to the extent of pointing fingers at a family? If it was your family would they be doing it for the money? Sad.
But if you're CHO you will be looking at it way different in so many ways. This is a five year deal on 100k? Once he signs no one will come in for him again for some years. Chelsea still have a terrible record with young players and who knows what will happen one or two years down the line?
The moment that ban is lifted Chelsea will be signing top players and if he hasn't been in top form, or the manager merry go round continues, he could suffer. Chelsea don't traditionally give young players too much of a chance and there are clubs with a better record of developing players like him.
They only started playing him and taking him seriously when he was linked to other clubs and now scrambling to keep him. CHO had probably been talking to other clubs for a while before Chelsea woke up. He wasn't getting opportunities. Chelsea have tried to give him games recently but is it enough?
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comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
His agent's his immediate family. It's always been my feeling, based on no other information other than gut feeling, that his family look on him as their golden egg and looking to make their fortune on him.
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This is a bit ridiculous and tin foily, not to mention very cruel on the family. Even if this was true, his family are already guaranteed to make a fortune from him so its been achieved already. To me, it looks like they just want whats best for him and his developent, money is guaranteed now.
Lots of footballers have relatives as agents. You see it this way because in your mind, you can't fathom why he hasn't signed for Chelsea. Everything is in place, no? Its normal for fans to be a bit blinkered though but going to the extent of pointing fingers at a family? If it was your family would they be doing it for the money? Sad.
But if you're CHO you will be looking at it way different in so many ways. This is a five year deal on 100k? Once he signs no one will come in for him again for some years. Chelsea still have a terrible record with young players and who knows what will happen one or two years down the line?
The moment that ban is lifted Chelsea will be signing top players and if he hasn't been in top form, or the manager merry go round continues, he could suffer. Chelsea don't traditionally give young players too much of a chance and there are clubs with a better record of developing players like him.
They only started playing him and taking him seriously when he was linked to other clubs and now scrambling to keep him. CHO had probably been talking to other clubs for a while before Chelsea woke up. He wasn't getting opportunities. Chelsea have tried to give him games recently but is it enough?
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Great a Scouser with insight. Tell me how much game time did you give Solanke when you rescued him from our clutches? Where is he now? How about Rhian Brewster who is older than CHO and still to make a first team appearance at Liverpool. Maybe he should be looking to get out as he's getting on a bit in age compared to CHO. When will Liverpool take Brewster "seriously". You wasted a of keystrokes typing this piece.but it's your opinion just like it's Brummies opinion. I await you response to my questions specifically. No side tracking please
Thank you for your questions. They are good questions.
Solanke isn't as highly rated mate and neither is Brewster. We gave Solanke a fair crack and we will do the same for Brewster.
Who did we beat to get Solanke? Nobody really wanted him as much as CHO is coveted by some clubs. We gambled and it payed off.
CHO will have a pick of top clubs if he runs down his contract. Did Chelsea offer Solanke a 100k a week contract to not join Liverpool?
CHO is rated at the level of Sancho and assorted world class youth. Solanke was more of a punt. Not the same situation at all.
Also, Liverpool have a certified record of bringing through young players so Solanke not making it perhaps reflects more on him than us and Brewster could take a while as the team is playing at a high level.
We take Brewster very seriously. He is happy at Melwood. CHO hasn't been happy and wants to leave. This just proves my point that Chelsea don't know how to handle young players. Brewster is older but still calm and waiting while CHO is younger and already frantic and unsure. He'll be looking at Sancho and thinking "I can do that".
Brewster knows he will get a chance if he's good enough. Can't say the same for CHO.
Any more questions?
"Also, Liverpool have a certified record of bringing through young players"
Really? Trent and Sterling are your only major success stories since Gerrard unless I've missed someone obvious.
You probably have.
In any case, we have a better record than Chelsea, no doubt there, so the point still stands.
I have no further questions.
Further to that and no disrespect to you personally, I wasn't really interested in the opinion of Liverpool supporters anyway.
My views on Liverpool are not universally well received by their sympathisers, hence my posting history shows I don't go to their board and express them. I generally appreciate that courtesy being returned.
No offence to you personally!
In the last 20 years, Chelsea's academy product promotion to the first team Terry, RLC and CHO vs Pool's Gerrard & Trent.
The numbers will increase with the introduction of Reece James next season.
Special mentions to Ampadu & Christens who joined Chelsea's academy at the age of 16, are also part of the 25 man team.
He's got a very important sounding name though Brum ,sounds quite intellectual 'e does !
Can't be a real scouse then !
comment by The Power of Now (U20893)
In the last 20 years, Chelsea's academy product promotion to the first team Terry, RLC and CHO vs Pool's Gerrard & Trent.
The numbers will increase with the introduction of Reece James next season.
Special mentions to Ampadu & Christens who joined Chelsea's academy at the age of 16, are also part of the 25 man team.
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I said giving young players a chance. Also, apart from Terry none of the others you mentioned have made it yet. Still on the fringes unlike Trent who is a solid starter.
Also, all this recent activity is a reaction to the spotlight being shone on Chelsea's youth policy. Its a response, not an initiative.
The likes of Coutinho when we signed him at about 21 years I think would never get a chance at Chelsea.
I mean you guys have to be kidding me. Chelsea's youth policy means even world class players like De Bruyne have to leave Stamford in order to develop themselves.
And that's De Bruyne, what chance does CHO have where De Bruyne and others have failed?
IMO, CHO should sign on at Chelsea as it seems you've learnt a lesson but don't act like its a no brainer.
"The likes of Coutinho when we signed him at about 21 years I think would never get a chance at Chelsea."
Would that be around the same time we signed a 21 year old Oscar who became a regular almost instantly?
When you say Solanke was a punt I laugh at your lack of knowledge. I watched him regularly for the youth team and under 19's etc and he was a lethal goalscorer. He also had a 1 goal in 2 games for England and Chelsea made him offers to stay so based on that I'd say you don't know what you are on about with all due respect. RLC was a regular before his injury and CHO was given more game time than other 18 year olds in the PL so I think that's killed off your argument of not being given a chance.
Hazard, Lampard, Roben, Joe Cole, Cech, Mikel , Essien, Oscar, Matic ect... all were in their early 20s when they joined Chelsea, so what's your point ?
Ask Jose about KDB and add a few more to that.I see Sterling has flourished since leaving Anfield maybe Salah/Mane need to do the same. Is that the level we're operating at here?
comment by The Power of Now (U20893)
posted 2 minutes ago
Hazard, Lampard, Roben, Joe Cole, Cech, Mikel , Essien, Oscar, Matic ect... all were in their early 20s when they joined Chelsea, so what's your point ?
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posted on 28/6/19
His agent's his immediate family. It's always been my feeling, based on no other information other than gut feeling, that his family look on him as their golden egg and looking to make their fortune on him.
posted on 28/6/19
Can only think that Cho's waiting for the appointment of Lamps+Morris to be official before officially committing to anything.
If that's not the case then the club have done all they can to keep him and there's not much else to say apart from goodbye.
posted on 28/6/19
You’d think Bayern would only bid if they’d got assurances from the player that he wants to go there.
posted on 28/6/19
comment by Ed The King Woodward (U10026)
posted 5 minutes ago
You’d think Bayern would only bid if they’d got assurances from the player that he wants to go there.
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True Darren, which only adds to the smell here.
posted on 28/6/19
I don't doubt CHO's ability but he should look at Solanke as an example of how a promising player left big bad Chelsea to join Liverpool when essentially it was a way of 'pool making a profit on him by offloading him to Bournemouth. The grass is not always greener.
posted on 28/6/19
I think there's a bit of a gulf in ability between Solanke and Odoi Bov!
And it wouldn't be beyond the realms of reality that he's waiting to find out if the Lampard/Morris combo is in place before he commits!
I reckon, with our transfer problems the club will keep him for the final year of his contract anyway!
Ultimately - it's all guess work!
posted on 28/6/19
It's also possible that this is just a way of negotiating for the very best possible deal with Chelsea. If that is the case - then fair play to him and his representatives.
Otherwise - I would be surprised if Bayern were offering to pay him more than Chelsea are offering. So does he think he will get more game time at Bayern? Maybe the agents will get a big payday if he signs for a new club - but that apart I can't really see why he would go. He would have to settle into a new country, with a new language, and new league. Maybe he thinks that - looking at players like Sancho - he will come back in a few years with a much higher international profile. But he's already broken into the Chelsea first team, so that just doesn't seem relevant anymore. And with Lampard/Morris returning to the club (presumably) and a transfer ban in place - he will surely get a great opportunity this coming season.
If he chooses to leave at this stage, I don't think Chelsea fans will blame the club (unlike a number of fans this past year). It will be down to CHO, and he would leave under a cloud.
posted on 28/6/19
comment by BlueJ2 (U4630)
posted 49 minutes ago
It's also possible that this is just a way of negotiating for the very best possible deal with Chelsea. If that is the case - then fair play to him and his representatives.
Otherwise - I would be surprised if Bayern were offering to pay him more than Chelsea are offering. So does he think he will get more game time at Bayern? Maybe the agents will get a big payday if he signs for a new club - but that apart I can't really see why he would go. He would have to settle into a new country, with a new language, and new league. Maybe he thinks that - looking at players like Sancho - he will come back in a few years with a much higher international profile. But he's already broken into the Chelsea first team, so that just doesn't seem relevant anymore. And with Lampard/Morris returning to the club (presumably) and a transfer ban in place - he will surely get a great opportunity this coming season.
If he chooses to leave at this stage, I don't think Chelsea fans will blame the club (unlike a number of fans this past year). It will be down to CHO, and he would leave under a cloud.
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posted on 28/6/19
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 1 hour, 49 minutes ago
I think there's a bit of a gulf in ability between Solanke and Odoi Bov!
And it wouldn't be beyond the realms of reality that he's waiting to find out if the Lampard/Morris combo is in place before he commits!
I reckon, with our transfer problems the club will keep him for the final year of his contract anyway!
Ultimately - it's all guess work!
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I get what Bovs saying though.
How many youth have left us thinking the grass the greener? In some cases I can understand it but if Odoi leaves now on the back of 25 appearances at 18 including a cup final would have been 2 but for injury and his youth coaches becoming part of the coaching team then for me it would be pretty clear that it's been his intention to leave us for quite some time no matter what.
posted on 29/6/19
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
His agent's his immediate family. It's always been my feeling, based on no other information other than gut feeling, that his family look on him as their golden egg and looking to make their fortune on him.
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This is a bit ridiculous and tin foily, not to mention very cruel on the family. Even if this was true, his family are already guaranteed to make a fortune from him so its been achieved already. To me, it looks like they just want whats best for him and his developent, money is guaranteed now.
Lots of footballers have relatives as agents. You see it this way because in your mind, you can't fathom why he hasn't signed for Chelsea. Everything is in place, no? Its normal for fans to be a bit blinkered though but going to the extent of pointing fingers at a family? If it was your family would they be doing it for the money? Sad.
But if you're CHO you will be looking at it way different in so many ways. This is a five year deal on 100k? Once he signs no one will come in for him again for some years. Chelsea still have a terrible record with young players and who knows what will happen one or two years down the line?
The moment that ban is lifted Chelsea will be signing top players and if he hasn't been in top form, or the manager merry go round continues, he could suffer. Chelsea don't traditionally give young players too much of a chance and there are clubs with a better record of developing players like him.
They only started playing him and taking him seriously when he was linked to other clubs and now scrambling to keep him. CHO had probably been talking to other clubs for a while before Chelsea woke up. He wasn't getting opportunities. Chelsea have tried to give him games recently but is it enough?
posted on 29/6/19
comment by Thörgen Kloppinson, First of mine own nameth, h'rald of demise, songbird of Asgard, defend'r/ protecteth'r of the weak and innocent, mast'r of disast'r, king of stingeth, dancing destroyeth'r and counteth of monte fisto (U1282)
posted 2 hours, 35 minutes ago
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
His agent's his immediate family. It's always been my feeling, based on no other information other than gut feeling, that his family look on him as their golden egg and looking to make their fortune on him.
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This is a bit ridiculous and tin foily, not to mention very cruel on the family. Even if this was true, his family are already guaranteed to make a fortune from him so its been achieved already. To me, it looks like they just want whats best for him and his developent, money is guaranteed now.
Lots of footballers have relatives as agents. You see it this way because in your mind, you can't fathom why he hasn't signed for Chelsea. Everything is in place, no? Its normal for fans to be a bit blinkered though but going to the extent of pointing fingers at a family? If it was your family would they be doing it for the money? Sad.
But if you're CHO you will be looking at it way different in so many ways. This is a five year deal on 100k? Once he signs no one will come in for him again for some years. Chelsea still have a terrible record with young players and who knows what will happen one or two years down the line?
The moment that ban is lifted Chelsea will be signing top players and if he hasn't been in top form, or the manager merry go round continues, he could suffer. Chelsea don't traditionally give young players too much of a chance and there are clubs with a better record of developing players like him.
They only started playing him and taking him seriously when he was linked to other clubs and now scrambling to keep him. CHO had probably been talking to other clubs for a while before Chelsea woke up. He wasn't getting opportunities. Chelsea have tried to give him games recently but is it enough?
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Great a Scouser with insight. Tell me how much game time did you give Solanke when you rescued him from our clutches? Where is he now? How about Rhian Brewster who is older than CHO and still to make a first team appearance at Liverpool. Maybe he should be looking to get out as he's getting on a bit in age compared to CHO. When will Liverpool take Brewster "seriously". You wasted a of keystrokes typing this piece.but it's your opinion just like it's Brummies opinion. I await you response to my questions specifically. No side tracking please
posted on 29/6/19
Thank you for your questions. They are good questions.
Solanke isn't as highly rated mate and neither is Brewster. We gave Solanke a fair crack and we will do the same for Brewster.
Who did we beat to get Solanke? Nobody really wanted him as much as CHO is coveted by some clubs. We gambled and it payed off.
CHO will have a pick of top clubs if he runs down his contract. Did Chelsea offer Solanke a 100k a week contract to not join Liverpool?
CHO is rated at the level of Sancho and assorted world class youth. Solanke was more of a punt. Not the same situation at all.
Also, Liverpool have a certified record of bringing through young players so Solanke not making it perhaps reflects more on him than us and Brewster could take a while as the team is playing at a high level.
We take Brewster very seriously. He is happy at Melwood. CHO hasn't been happy and wants to leave. This just proves my point that Chelsea don't know how to handle young players. Brewster is older but still calm and waiting while CHO is younger and already frantic and unsure. He'll be looking at Sancho and thinking "I can do that".
Brewster knows he will get a chance if he's good enough. Can't say the same for CHO.
Any more questions?
posted on 29/6/19
"Also, Liverpool have a certified record of bringing through young players"
Really? Trent and Sterling are your only major success stories since Gerrard unless I've missed someone obvious.
posted on 29/6/19
You probably have.
In any case, we have a better record than Chelsea, no doubt there, so the point still stands.
posted on 29/6/19
I have no further questions.
Further to that and no disrespect to you personally, I wasn't really interested in the opinion of Liverpool supporters anyway.
My views on Liverpool are not universally well received by their sympathisers, hence my posting history shows I don't go to their board and express them. I generally appreciate that courtesy being returned.
No offence to you personally!
posted on 29/6/19
In the last 20 years, Chelsea's academy product promotion to the first team Terry, RLC and CHO vs Pool's Gerrard & Trent.
The numbers will increase with the introduction of Reece James next season.
Special mentions to Ampadu & Christens who joined Chelsea's academy at the age of 16, are also part of the 25 man team.
posted on 29/6/19
He's got a very important sounding name though Brum ,sounds quite intellectual 'e does !
Can't be a real scouse then !
posted on 29/6/19
comment by The Power of Now (U20893)
In the last 20 years, Chelsea's academy product promotion to the first team Terry, RLC and CHO vs Pool's Gerrard & Trent.
The numbers will increase with the introduction of Reece James next season.
Special mentions to Ampadu & Christens who joined Chelsea's academy at the age of 16, are also part of the 25 man team.
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I said giving young players a chance. Also, apart from Terry none of the others you mentioned have made it yet. Still on the fringes unlike Trent who is a solid starter.
Also, all this recent activity is a reaction to the spotlight being shone on Chelsea's youth policy. Its a response, not an initiative.
posted on 29/6/19
The likes of Coutinho when we signed him at about 21 years I think would never get a chance at Chelsea.
I mean you guys have to be kidding me. Chelsea's youth policy means even world class players like De Bruyne have to leave Stamford in order to develop themselves.
And that's De Bruyne, what chance does CHO have where De Bruyne and others have failed?
IMO, CHO should sign on at Chelsea as it seems you've learnt a lesson but don't act like its a no brainer.
posted on 29/6/19
"The likes of Coutinho when we signed him at about 21 years I think would never get a chance at Chelsea."
Would that be around the same time we signed a 21 year old Oscar who became a regular almost instantly?
posted on 29/6/19
When you say Solanke was a punt I laugh at your lack of knowledge. I watched him regularly for the youth team and under 19's etc and he was a lethal goalscorer. He also had a 1 goal in 2 games for England and Chelsea made him offers to stay so based on that I'd say you don't know what you are on about with all due respect. RLC was a regular before his injury and CHO was given more game time than other 18 year olds in the PL so I think that's killed off your argument of not being given a chance.
posted on 29/6/19
Hazard, Lampard, Roben, Joe Cole, Cech, Mikel , Essien, Oscar, Matic ect... all were in their early 20s when they joined Chelsea, so what's your point ?
posted on 29/6/19
Ask Jose about KDB and add a few more to that.I see Sterling has flourished since leaving Anfield maybe Salah/Mane need to do the same. Is that the level we're operating at here?
posted on 29/6/19
comment by The Power of Now (U20893)
posted 2 minutes ago
Hazard, Lampard, Roben, Joe Cole, Cech, Mikel , Essien, Oscar, Matic ect... all were in their early 20s when they joined Chelsea, so what's your point ?
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posted on 29/6/19
At least most of youth products who failed to break through the first team have gone on to build a career elsewhere at a decent standard level.
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