comment by Bennyville (U8058)
posted 12 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 2 minutes ago
Don't let the door hit you on the way out Trev, you facking charlatan
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World cup winning coach a Charlaton?
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He openly admits he doesn't do much coaching, he prefers to "stand back and let the players express themselves." He also admits he doesn't watch county cricket and it's on record that he forgets players' names, doesn't like conflict or attention and, after a poor performance, his reaction has been to sulk, making swiftly for the exit.

The ODI side has been revitalised, but that started under Farbrace before Bayliss came in, and by all accounts has more to do with Eoin Morgan's captaincy than any hands-on coaching or management done by Bayliss. The fact that much the same group of players has failed so badly under the same coach and different captain in Test cricket suggests that the difference-maker was indeed Morgan, not Bayliss, since Bayliss is in charge of both but only the team involving Morgan has done well.

Besides, yes the stated aim was to revamp the ODI side to win the World Cup, but at no point was it stated that anyone was happy to improve the ODI side at the direct expense of the Test side. Yes, 50-over cricket has improved (though as above I question how much of that is down to Bayliss himself), but the Test side has gone markedly, absurdly downhill and the T20 side has largely stood still. So, in short, Bayliss has (on paper) done one third of his job. The one-third that was deemed the most important, perhaps, but still. If I only did one third of my job, I'd be out on my @rse quick-sharp.

You have to look at the job he's done holistically, not just the one admittedly major success we've had where we had the best group of players by some distance compared to our opponents, a sensational captain and even then we only JUST won it, by literally the slimmest margin available. The overall picture of Bayliss is that he pockets £450k pa for doing the absolute bare minimum his job entails.

So I stand by the use of the word "charlatan" to describe him. I think he's a joke and I'm delighted he's finally gone. If he had been England's limited-overs coach and had nothing to do with the Test side, then we'd be having a different conversation. Perhaps his "style" (if sitting back and letting the players do whatever they like can be counted as a coaching style) works for ODI cricket, who knows. But the #1 thing his regime has shown is that separate coaching setups are 100% needed for the Test and limited-overs games.

Is Root the worst ever England captain?

Certainly can't think of any other previous that sets more bizarre fields.

Chris Cowdrey?

comment by Neo-Super European Champions (U9135)
posted 25 minutes ago
Is Root the worst ever England captain?

Certainly can't think of any other previous that sets more bizarre fields.
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Flintoff

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Hampshire will prevail

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comment by Idontlikemondays (U6377)
posted 11 minutes ago
Awful captaincy from Vince today it seems, won toss and decided to bat but Lewis Gregory has already taken 3 wickets and one for Davey too

Gregory has got Northeast and Vince wickets for just 6 runs apiece

Somerset have Hampshire 18-4
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The fact that it went to a toss means Abell would have chosen to bat as well.

Gregory is in brilliant form this season and would have potentially featured in the Ashes had he not been injured.

Hampshire 5 down now. Essex can't lose to Surrey now otherwise Somerset could win the title this week.

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Considering Surrey were champions last season, our batting lineup is so patchwork at the moment. Will Jacks and Jamie Smith in the top 6 most weeks... Elgar is absent this week, no Rory Burns, meaning that Scott Borthwick has had to open... Liam Plunkett batting at 7...

Last summer we could bat forever. It doesn't help that Pope missed most of the summer and Foakes hasn't been in great nick.

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Up to 180 now with Dawson into the 90s and Barker up to 40 although Dom Bess has just got him out. I'm surprised Barker never got a call up for England, only bowls in the early 80s but a quality left arm option and no mug with the bat either.

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comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 9 minutes ago
Considering Surrey were champions last season, our batting lineup is so patchwork at the moment. Will Jacks and Jamie Smith in the top 6 most weeks... Elgar is absent this week, no Rory Burns, meaning that Scott Borthwick has had to open... Liam Plunkett batting at 7...

Last summer we could bat forever. It doesn't help that Pope missed most of the summer and Foakes hasn't been in great nick.
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Surprised Roy wasn't included, is he being given time off or something?

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Darren Stevens is smashing Yorkshire around the park. He came out with Kent at 39/5 after 11 overs. They're now 279/5 after 58 overs with Stevens on 165 from 163 balls (21 fours and 6 sixes).

He's 43 and not having his contract renewed. I wonder if anyone will pick him up?

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Yeah - Joe Clarke has had a horrible summer (so has the whole Notts team tbf) but he's closing in on his ton. That would be good timing for his England prospects - this time last year he was the first name on most people's lists to come into the Test side, ahead of Denly certainly

comment by TCM (U8959)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 9 minutes ago
Considering Surrey were champions last season, our batting lineup is so patchwork at the moment. Will Jacks and Jamie Smith in the top 6 most weeks... Elgar is absent this week, no Rory Burns, meaning that Scott Borthwick has had to open... Liam Plunkett batting at 7...

Last summer we could bat forever. It doesn't help that Pope missed most of the summer and Foakes hasn't been in great nick.
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Surprised Roy wasn't included, is he being given time off or something?
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Guessing so.

The batsmen for Notts have been awful, Nash has been their best batsman and he's averaging about 30. Talented young batsmen for them like Duckett, Clarke and Moores haven't been good enough. Samit has been so poor for them this season that he was loaned to Glamorgan. Hales in the middle order could have helped them out a bit as well.

Ashwin is probably the only player in their side who can be happy with their performance.

Yeah - outside of a ton and two 50s, Clarke averages about 12 across the other 17 innings this summer

He's certainly a talent but he is going to be heading back to division 2 where he's going to need to score some runs to get Notts promoted and try and get himself back on England's radar. He's miles behind the likes of Pope now.

Absolutely. I'd say Sam Hain is ahead of him now too. To be honest, in the short term the only spot available for a middle order bat should be at #6 anyway (Root 4, Stokes 5, TBC 6, Foakes 7) and as you say, Pope is a shoo-in for that spot at the minute - and Bairstow and Buttler are also in that queue, so I don't think we need to be looking much further beyond that list.

I wouldn't include any of the above as options for #3 since it's clear by now we need a top-order specialist in that spot.

comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 8 hours, 40 minutes ago
comment by Bennyville (U8058)
posted 12 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 2 minutes ago
Don't let the door hit you on the way out Trev, you facking charlatan
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World cup winning coach a Charlaton?
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He openly admits he doesn't do much coaching, he prefers to "stand back and let the players express themselves." He also admits he doesn't watch county cricket and it's on record that he forgets players' names, doesn't like conflict or attention and, after a poor performance, his reaction has been to sulk, making swiftly for the exit.

The ODI side has been revitalised, but that started under Farbrace before Bayliss came in, and by all accounts has more to do with Eoin Morgan's captaincy than any hands-on coaching or management done by Bayliss. The fact that much the same group of players has failed so badly under the same coach and different captain in Test cricket suggests that the difference-maker was indeed Morgan, not Bayliss, since Bayliss is in charge of both but only the team involving Morgan has done well.

Besides, yes the stated aim was to revamp the ODI side to win the World Cup, but at no point was it stated that anyone was happy to improve the ODI side at the direct expense of the Test side. Yes, 50-over cricket has improved (though as above I question how much of that is down to Bayliss himself), but the Test side has gone markedly, absurdly downhill and the T20 side has largely stood still. So, in short, Bayliss has (on paper) done one third of his job. The one-third that was deemed the most important, perhaps, but still. If I only did one third of my job, I'd be out on my @rse quick-sharp.

You have to look at the job he's done holistically, not just the one admittedly major success we've had where we had the best group of players by some distance compared to our opponents, a sensational captain and even then we only JUST won it, by literally the slimmest margin available. The overall picture of Bayliss is that he pockets £450k pa for doing the absolute bare minimum his job entails.

So I stand by the use of the word "charlatan" to describe him. I think he's a joke and I'm delighted he's finally gone. If he had been England's limited-overs coach and had nothing to do with the Test side, then we'd be having a different conversation. Perhaps his "style" (if sitting back and letting the players do whatever they like can be counted as a coaching style) works for ODI cricket, who knows. But the #1 thing his regime has shown is that separate coaching setups are 100% needed for the Test and limited-overs games.
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Think you’re being a bit harsh, he’s won numerous limited over tournaments, are they all down to a good captain and players? I don’t think anyone is saying we’re happy to let the test side go down the toilet for the sake of the odi team. But there was a clear plan in his appointment to improve the ODI, and he went and won the World Cup, so that had to be applauded at least. With your points of view I’d like to hear from the players themselves on the role of Bayliss. Either way were World Cup champions, that’s good enough for me.