we could lose 70m of players for free in 2020.
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I would put eriksen at £70m alone
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 minute ago
we could lose 70m of players for free in 2020.
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I would put eriksen at £70m alone
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makes it even worse....
Alderweireld, Vertonghen and Eriksen is about £140m lost in today's market. It's a terrible decision to be in and it partially stems from our over 30 policy.
It's all hypothetical and making bold predictions that we could lose £70m is pure speculations, unless you have evidence that Spurs have lost these players already?
I don't think you do?
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 22 seconds ago
It's all hypothetical and making bold predictions that we could lose £70m is pure speculations, unless you have evidence that Spurs have lost these players already?
I don't think you do?
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What point are you trying to make exactly? I think it's clear the OP has written the article with a forward thinking view and his speculation on it.
comment by Boss By Hugo (U18550)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 22 seconds ago
It's all hypothetical and making bold predictions that we could lose £70m is pure speculations, unless you have evidence that Spurs have lost these players already?
I don't think you do?
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What point are you trying to make exactly? I think it's clear the OP has written the article with a forward thinking view and his speculation on it.
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Criticising the club for something that hasn't happened yet so is this forward planning?
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comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Boss By Hugo (U18550)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 22 seconds ago
It's all hypothetical and making bold predictions that we could lose £70m is pure speculations, unless you have evidence that Spurs have lost these players already?
I don't think you do?
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What point are you trying to make exactly? I think it's clear the OP has written the article with a forward thinking view and his speculation on it.
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Criticising the club for something that hasn't happened yet so is this forward planning?
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What do you think will happen with Eriksen, Toby & Jan ????
Eriksen has been offered top dollar, just isn't interested. Unfortunately nobody is willing to pay a reasonable price for him so this is how the situation has unravelled.
Toby by all accounts had agreed a deal a year and a half ago but then backed out, it seems like Poch is the one who is against him getting a new deal. Nobody was willing to pay £25m for him this summer so his market value is clearly pretty low.
Verts is 33 next summer, unlikely to be going to a better club than spurs, we hold the cards on this one.
Imo levy can't really be blamed for this situation. Only thing he could have done is proactively try and sell Eriksen and Toby last summer, to which there would have been uproar.
what could he do? presumably you wanted him to sell the three of them last summer then? when they had more market value? if a player wants to run his contract down then that's what he will do.
Kane could do that right now if he wanted... run down a 5 year deal or whatever it is, and leave for nothing.. Levy would be absolutely powerless.
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Boss By Hugo (U18550)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 22 seconds ago
It's all hypothetical and making bold predictions that we could lose £70m is pure speculations, unless you have evidence that Spurs have lost these players already?
I don't think you do?
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What point are you trying to make exactly? I think it's clear the OP has written the article with a forward thinking view and his speculation on it.
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Criticising the club for something that hasn't happened yet so is this forward planning?
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Something HAS happened... we've players running down their contracts and potentially leaving on a free. Players that are worth £140m today. What portion you lay on the club and what amount on players is a different question though but obviously nobody knows what will happen. OP is just raising the risk we face as a club next summer
Surely you've got to account for the arguement that with these 3 players still at the club we have a better chance at qualifying for the CL again, getting a run in the CL again and the money that comes with that?
I'd rather have them here for another season.
comment by Rising up the ranks (U2420)
posted 3 minutes ago
Surely you've got to account for the arguement that with these 3 players still at the club we have a better chance at qualifying for the CL again, getting a run in the CL again and the money that comes with that?
I'd rather have them here for another season.
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That doesn't really work. If they weren't here and sold instead we'd have used that money for replacement of players and probably got top four anyway.
You might as well move the time scales back a year. Would the fact that we reached top four last season cover all three leaving on a free this summer?
What could Levy have done? By all accounts he's offered large contracts to all 3, he can't force them to sign.
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 57 minutes ago
It's all hypothetical and making bold predictions that we could lose £70m is pure speculations, unless you have evidence that Spurs have lost these players already?
I don't think you do?
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Agreed Morespurs. It is clear with Eriksen, sounds harsh, but to truth is the clubs he wanted did not want him. Perhaps a dig in the ribs for him to start getting his head out of the clouds and back to his old form a or this won't change. Verts and Toby ? Toby the same lack of interest as Eriksen and Verts loves Spurs. Think both will extent contracts. With Eriksen, the jury still out on new contract to be honest.
comment by WorcesterSpur (U1678)
posted 7 minutes ago
What could Levy have done? By all accounts he's offered large contracts to all 3, he can't force them to sign.
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In isolation that's true but we've no idea how he got to offering a new contract.
If my employer was being tight about giving me a pay rise (not valuing my performances) and only when I've decided to leave turns around with an offer - why would I take it now when I've looked externally and found that I can get even more money and opportunities in a few months time?
Had they offered me the pay rise before i'd have never looked elsewhere and got on with the job. That sort of scenario we've no clue on regarding Levy and Eriksen or other players. So it's not as straightforward as he's got a contract offer on the table.
comment by WorcesterSpur (U1678)
posted 17 minutes ago
What could Levy have done? By all accounts he's offered large contracts to all 3, he can't force them to sign.
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he should kidnap their families and chop off their fingers one by one and send it to the players until they agree to sign....
comment by Boss By Hugo (U18550)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by WorcesterSpur (U1678)
posted 7 minutes ago
What could Levy have done? By all accounts he's offered large contracts to all 3, he can't force them to sign.
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In isolation that's true but we've no idea how he got to offering a new contract.
If my employer was being tight about giving me a pay rise (not valuing my performances) and only when I've decided to leave turns around with an offer - why would I take it now when I've looked externally and found that I can get even more money and opportunities in a few months time?
Had they offered me the pay rise before i'd have never looked elsewhere and got on with the job. That sort of scenario we've no clue on regarding Levy and Eriksen or other players. So it's not as straightforward as he's got a contract offer on the table.
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the reality is we have no idea what has, or has not been said, what has or has not been offered, and when... so all we can do is speculate.
as levy is strict on contracts and not letting players run them down, either he has taken his eye off the ball due to all the stadium stuff taking over, or he couldn't do anything about it, as its completely down to the player whether they want to run a contract down or not
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by WorcesterSpur (U1678)
posted 17 minutes ago
What could Levy have done? By all accounts he's offered large contracts to all 3, he can't force them to sign.
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he should kidnap their families and chop off their fingers one by one and send it to the players until they agree to sign....
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It would probably work to be fair
comment by Boss By Hugo (U18550)
posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
Alderweireld, Vertonghen and Eriksen is about £140m lost in today's market. It's a terrible decision to be in and it partially stems from our over 30 policy.
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Is it really £140m?
Eriksen is what £70m. No one wanted Toby for £20m and Verts is 32 and wouldn’t go for me than £20m either imo
comment by MKspur (U9129)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Boss By Hugo (U18550)
posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
Alderweireld, Vertonghen and Eriksen is about £140m lost in today's market. It's a terrible decision to be in and it partially stems from our over 30 policy.
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Is it really £140m?
Eriksen is what £70m. No one wanted Toby for £20m and Verts is 32 and wouldn’t go for me than £20m either imo
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I don't know really - ultimately comes down to what the club are willing to pay. Probably not as high as £140m all things considered but £100m+ guaranteed
You can also factor in the wages and signing on fees we haven't paid.
Eriksen for example, if he had signed a contract last summer on 200k a week from 75k a week, by next summer that would have cost us an additional £13m over 2 years , then I imagine he would have got a hefty signing on fee as would his agent. You are probabiy looking at £25m+ in savings by the time all opportunity costs are considered.
Doesn't make up for his £75m market value but softens the blow.
By all accounts Eriksen wants to leave and it would be a massive shock if he signed a contract. If he does, I personally think it would be with the intention of still leaving but at least Spurs getting some value back which is fine with me
Levy is astute in a lot of ways but let's be honest here.
Spurs transfer policy and handling of player contracts is absolutely sheet. The worst of all the top clubs.
Pretty sure Eriksen will have been offered big money by Spurs. They guy wants to go to Spain. He turned down massive money from United.
I think the only way to cover ourselves now is a release clause that sees us get a decent fee (say £80m) if Real, Barca, Bayern come calling. That way Eriksen can go to these if he wants to. He'll be well paid there regardless of the fee (Real paid £89m for Bale and paid him £300k aweek!) and mega money does not seem like his motivation.
Toby....not sure what his angle is. Hes rejected loads of new terms, could have earned double what hes on but has turned it down. Probably wants to walk away and have his pick of places to retire, where he will not be limited in his choice by the club demanding a massive fee.
Vertonghen. Like Aldi still a lot to offer IMO. We should be looking after him. He's been a great servant and we should show loyalty and give him a couple years. His experience alone is worth keeping even if his involvement begins to reduce.
We cant make these guys sign, but Verts seems like he would and I will be very annoyed if we don't offer him something really good. He's earned it!
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posted on 3/9/19
we could lose 70m of players for free in 2020.
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I would put eriksen at £70m alone
posted on 3/9/19
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 minute ago
we could lose 70m of players for free in 2020.
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I would put eriksen at £70m alone
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makes it even worse....
posted on 3/9/19
Alderweireld, Vertonghen and Eriksen is about £140m lost in today's market. It's a terrible decision to be in and it partially stems from our over 30 policy.
posted on 3/9/19
It's all hypothetical and making bold predictions that we could lose £70m is pure speculations, unless you have evidence that Spurs have lost these players already?
I don't think you do?
posted on 3/9/19
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 22 seconds ago
It's all hypothetical and making bold predictions that we could lose £70m is pure speculations, unless you have evidence that Spurs have lost these players already?
I don't think you do?
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What point are you trying to make exactly? I think it's clear the OP has written the article with a forward thinking view and his speculation on it.
posted on 3/9/19
comment by Boss By Hugo (U18550)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 22 seconds ago
It's all hypothetical and making bold predictions that we could lose £70m is pure speculations, unless you have evidence that Spurs have lost these players already?
I don't think you do?
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What point are you trying to make exactly? I think it's clear the OP has written the article with a forward thinking view and his speculation on it.
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Criticising the club for something that hasn't happened yet so is this forward planning?
posted on 3/9/19
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posted on 3/9/19
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Boss By Hugo (U18550)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 22 seconds ago
It's all hypothetical and making bold predictions that we could lose £70m is pure speculations, unless you have evidence that Spurs have lost these players already?
I don't think you do?
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What point are you trying to make exactly? I think it's clear the OP has written the article with a forward thinking view and his speculation on it.
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Criticising the club for something that hasn't happened yet so is this forward planning?
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What do you think will happen with Eriksen, Toby & Jan ????
posted on 3/9/19
Eriksen has been offered top dollar, just isn't interested. Unfortunately nobody is willing to pay a reasonable price for him so this is how the situation has unravelled.
Toby by all accounts had agreed a deal a year and a half ago but then backed out, it seems like Poch is the one who is against him getting a new deal. Nobody was willing to pay £25m for him this summer so his market value is clearly pretty low.
Verts is 33 next summer, unlikely to be going to a better club than spurs, we hold the cards on this one.
Imo levy can't really be blamed for this situation. Only thing he could have done is proactively try and sell Eriksen and Toby last summer, to which there would have been uproar.
posted on 3/9/19
what could he do? presumably you wanted him to sell the three of them last summer then? when they had more market value? if a player wants to run his contract down then that's what he will do.
Kane could do that right now if he wanted... run down a 5 year deal or whatever it is, and leave for nothing.. Levy would be absolutely powerless.
posted on 3/9/19
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Boss By Hugo (U18550)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 22 seconds ago
It's all hypothetical and making bold predictions that we could lose £70m is pure speculations, unless you have evidence that Spurs have lost these players already?
I don't think you do?
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What point are you trying to make exactly? I think it's clear the OP has written the article with a forward thinking view and his speculation on it.
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Criticising the club for something that hasn't happened yet so is this forward planning?
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Something HAS happened... we've players running down their contracts and potentially leaving on a free. Players that are worth £140m today. What portion you lay on the club and what amount on players is a different question though but obviously nobody knows what will happen. OP is just raising the risk we face as a club next summer
posted on 3/9/19
Surely you've got to account for the arguement that with these 3 players still at the club we have a better chance at qualifying for the CL again, getting a run in the CL again and the money that comes with that?
I'd rather have them here for another season.
posted on 3/9/19
comment by Rising up the ranks (U2420)
posted 3 minutes ago
Surely you've got to account for the arguement that with these 3 players still at the club we have a better chance at qualifying for the CL again, getting a run in the CL again and the money that comes with that?
I'd rather have them here for another season.
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That doesn't really work. If they weren't here and sold instead we'd have used that money for replacement of players and probably got top four anyway.
You might as well move the time scales back a year. Would the fact that we reached top four last season cover all three leaving on a free this summer?
posted on 3/9/19
What could Levy have done? By all accounts he's offered large contracts to all 3, he can't force them to sign.
posted on 3/9/19
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 57 minutes ago
It's all hypothetical and making bold predictions that we could lose £70m is pure speculations, unless you have evidence that Spurs have lost these players already?
I don't think you do?
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Agreed Morespurs. It is clear with Eriksen, sounds harsh, but to truth is the clubs he wanted did not want him. Perhaps a dig in the ribs for him to start getting his head out of the clouds and back to his old form a or this won't change. Verts and Toby ? Toby the same lack of interest as Eriksen and Verts loves Spurs. Think both will extent contracts. With Eriksen, the jury still out on new contract to be honest.
posted on 3/9/19
comment by WorcesterSpur (U1678)
posted 7 minutes ago
What could Levy have done? By all accounts he's offered large contracts to all 3, he can't force them to sign.
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In isolation that's true but we've no idea how he got to offering a new contract.
If my employer was being tight about giving me a pay rise (not valuing my performances) and only when I've decided to leave turns around with an offer - why would I take it now when I've looked externally and found that I can get even more money and opportunities in a few months time?
Had they offered me the pay rise before i'd have never looked elsewhere and got on with the job. That sort of scenario we've no clue on regarding Levy and Eriksen or other players. So it's not as straightforward as he's got a contract offer on the table.
posted on 3/9/19
comment by WorcesterSpur (U1678)
posted 17 minutes ago
What could Levy have done? By all accounts he's offered large contracts to all 3, he can't force them to sign.
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he should kidnap their families and chop off their fingers one by one and send it to the players until they agree to sign....
posted on 3/9/19
comment by Boss By Hugo (U18550)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by WorcesterSpur (U1678)
posted 7 minutes ago
What could Levy have done? By all accounts he's offered large contracts to all 3, he can't force them to sign.
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In isolation that's true but we've no idea how he got to offering a new contract.
If my employer was being tight about giving me a pay rise (not valuing my performances) and only when I've decided to leave turns around with an offer - why would I take it now when I've looked externally and found that I can get even more money and opportunities in a few months time?
Had they offered me the pay rise before i'd have never looked elsewhere and got on with the job. That sort of scenario we've no clue on regarding Levy and Eriksen or other players. So it's not as straightforward as he's got a contract offer on the table.
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the reality is we have no idea what has, or has not been said, what has or has not been offered, and when... so all we can do is speculate.
as levy is strict on contracts and not letting players run them down, either he has taken his eye off the ball due to all the stadium stuff taking over, or he couldn't do anything about it, as its completely down to the player whether they want to run a contract down or not
posted on 3/9/19
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by WorcesterSpur (U1678)
posted 17 minutes ago
What could Levy have done? By all accounts he's offered large contracts to all 3, he can't force them to sign.
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he should kidnap their families and chop off their fingers one by one and send it to the players until they agree to sign....
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It would probably work to be fair
posted on 3/9/19
comment by Boss By Hugo (U18550)
posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
Alderweireld, Vertonghen and Eriksen is about £140m lost in today's market. It's a terrible decision to be in and it partially stems from our over 30 policy.
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Is it really £140m?
Eriksen is what £70m. No one wanted Toby for £20m and Verts is 32 and wouldn’t go for me than £20m either imo
posted on 3/9/19
comment by MKspur (U9129)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Boss By Hugo (U18550)
posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
Alderweireld, Vertonghen and Eriksen is about £140m lost in today's market. It's a terrible decision to be in and it partially stems from our over 30 policy.
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Is it really £140m?
Eriksen is what £70m. No one wanted Toby for £20m and Verts is 32 and wouldn’t go for me than £20m either imo
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I don't know really - ultimately comes down to what the club are willing to pay. Probably not as high as £140m all things considered but £100m+ guaranteed
posted on 3/9/19
You can also factor in the wages and signing on fees we haven't paid.
Eriksen for example, if he had signed a contract last summer on 200k a week from 75k a week, by next summer that would have cost us an additional £13m over 2 years , then I imagine he would have got a hefty signing on fee as would his agent. You are probabiy looking at £25m+ in savings by the time all opportunity costs are considered.
Doesn't make up for his £75m market value but softens the blow.
posted on 3/9/19
By all accounts Eriksen wants to leave and it would be a massive shock if he signed a contract. If he does, I personally think it would be with the intention of still leaving but at least Spurs getting some value back which is fine with me
posted on 3/9/19
Levy is astute in a lot of ways but let's be honest here.
Spurs transfer policy and handling of player contracts is absolutely sheet. The worst of all the top clubs.
posted on 3/9/19
Pretty sure Eriksen will have been offered big money by Spurs. They guy wants to go to Spain. He turned down massive money from United.
I think the only way to cover ourselves now is a release clause that sees us get a decent fee (say £80m) if Real, Barca, Bayern come calling. That way Eriksen can go to these if he wants to. He'll be well paid there regardless of the fee (Real paid £89m for Bale and paid him £300k aweek!) and mega money does not seem like his motivation.
Toby....not sure what his angle is. Hes rejected loads of new terms, could have earned double what hes on but has turned it down. Probably wants to walk away and have his pick of places to retire, where he will not be limited in his choice by the club demanding a massive fee.
Vertonghen. Like Aldi still a lot to offer IMO. We should be looking after him. He's been a great servant and we should show loyalty and give him a couple years. His experience alone is worth keeping even if his involvement begins to reduce.
We cant make these guys sign, but Verts seems like he would and I will be very annoyed if we don't offer him something really good. He's earned it!
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