comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 30 minutes ago
Since my first vote in the mid 1960s, I have never ever voted for any other political party, and will not be changing now.
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so much wrong with this. this is how a clown like Trump can get voted in in usa. states like Texas would vote republican regardless of policies..... which is silly.
if labour came out with ludicrous plans, then why would you vote for them?
its nothing like a football team support
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Labour have never come out with ridiculous plans, so why would I not vote for them?
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Why anybody would vote Tory is beyond me. The Conservative party were literally set up to protect the wealth of the rich elite, nothing else.
You’d think people would have sussed this by now!
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Absolutely. Working class Tories are the worse. As if the real dyed in the wall country squire Tories would be seen dead in their company.
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Quite.
Imagine voting for people who clearly loathe you. They don’t even try and hide it.
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 37 minutes ago
So happy that Boris got smashed yesterday. That’s what you get for trying to f*ck with our Parliamentary Sovereignty you tin pot dictator.
He now leads a minority government and Labour will simply refuse to back a General Election until their terms are met.
He’s f*cked.
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The Tories promised to deliver Brexit. They based the whole campain on lies.
People voted for something not knowing for what they exactly voted and which consequences it would have.
The Tories failed badly. People who voted for them should think about twice to do it again. Johnson, Farage and the whole bunch of losers should fack off immediately.
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Do the Conservative Party even exist anymore? Yesterday was a total bloodbath.
But it’s been coming.
Johnson getting destroyed at PMQ’s
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 37 minutes ago
So happy that Boris got smashed yesterday. That’s what you get for trying to f*ck with our Parliamentary Sovereignty you tin pot dictator.
He now leads a minority government and Labour will simply refuse to back a General Election until their terms are met.
He’s f*cked.
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The Tories promised to deliver Brexit. They based the whole campain on lies.
People voted for something not knowing for what they exactly voted and which consequences it would have.
The Tories failed badly. People who voted for them should think about twice to do it again. Johnson, Farage and the whole bunch of losers should fack off immediately.
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Stop saying people didn't know what they were voting for, it's beyond arrogant.
Bottom line, the majority of people voted to leave the EU. A deal was tried, it failed leaving no deal as the only viable option.
And you can personally slate Johnson all you like, he'll absolutely romp the next election hence why Labour suddenly don't want one. It's got nothing to do with Boris being able to change the election date, he can get that set in law. They know he'll destroy them, and he will. Since he's been PM he's actually stood up for what the majority of us want, the polls show it clearly.
You can doubt the polls if you want but the only way Boris doesn't win a minimum 60 seat majority is if the Brexit Party oppose him, and Nigel is already making noises that this won't happen.
comment by TBone Steak Roysters (U3947)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
Farage and Boris should set up a new party and maybe call themselves something like the BNP
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Comments like yours is actually what is spreading the division. Your inability to accept that other people have a right to their point of views without the unnecessary name calling.
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 hour ago
So happy that Boris got smashed yesterday. That’s what you get for trying to f*ck with our Parliamentary Sovereignty you tin pot dictator.
He now leads a minority government and Labour will simply refuse to back a General Election until their terms are met.
He’s f*cked.
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On the contrary, I think they have fallen into Boris trap.
Boris has clearly stated that under no circumstance would he personally request for an extension. If the MPs want an extension, then we have to go to the people to elect a new PM. And if not, there will be no formal request for any extension until October 31.
comment by Sporty and Portly - LFC (U8531)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 37 minutes ago
So happy that Boris got smashed yesterday. That’s what you get for trying to f*ck with our Parliamentary Sovereignty you tin pot dictator.
He now leads a minority government and Labour will simply refuse to back a General Election until their terms are met.
He’s f*cked.
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The Tories promised to deliver Brexit. They based the whole campain on lies.
People voted for something not knowing for what they exactly voted and which consequences it would have.
The Tories failed badly. People who voted for them should think about twice to do it again. Johnson, Farage and the whole bunch of losers should fack off immediately.
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Stop saying people didn't know what they were voting for, it's beyond arrogant.
Bottom line, the majority of people voted to leave the EU. A deal was tried, it failed leaving no deal as the only viable option.
And you can personally slate Johnson all you like, he'll absolutely romp the next election hence why Labour suddenly don't want one. It's got nothing to do with Boris being able to change the election date, he can get that set in law. They know he'll destroy them, and he will. Since he's been PM he's actually stood up for what the majority of us want, the polls show it clearly.
You can doubt the polls if you want but the only way Boris doesn't win a minimum 60 seat majority is if the Brexit Party oppose him, and Nigel is already making noises that this won't happen.
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I've spent considerable time researching the EU, trade, and customs policy, and feel I'm reasonably well informed to opine on Brexit.
In 2015 I can confidently say (whilst I voted remain) I did not know what I was voting for.
I was unaware of the complex nature of our EU relationship and the multiple EU agencies etc the fabric of country relies on to function.
Anyone (on either side of the debate) who claims they knew exactly what they were voting for is telling porkies.
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 31 minutes ago
Sandy, what you're basically saying is, no matter what Labour stand for or who its Leader is etc, you will vote for them regardless.
I don't get that.
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I have always like what they stand for, fairness and looking after all, not just the elite. Neither been a reason to vote for any other party.
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The Tory party has done more for the less well off compared to Labour. They have fixed the fiscal imbalance left behind by Labour. Helped many people into the property ladder thanks to the Right to buy scheme. And today, many low income earners keep most of their earnings thanks to the Tory tax policies. The idea that Tories only help the rich is a phantom created by old Labour.
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 37 minutes ago
So happy that Boris got smashed yesterday. That’s what you get for trying to f*ck with our Parliamentary Sovereignty you tin pot dictator.
He now leads a minority government and Labour will simply refuse to back a General Election until their terms are met.
He’s f*cked.
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The Tories promised to deliver Brexit. They based the whole campain on lies.
People voted for something not knowing for what they exactly voted and which consequences it would have.
The Tories failed badly. People who voted for them should think about twice to do it again. Johnson, Farage and the whole bunch of losers should fack off immediately.
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What were the lies told by the Tories? Especially when you recall that the PM and Chancellor were staunch Remainers.
Was it the £350m on the bus? NHS already secured a £20bn Brexit windfall.
Go on and list the lies told by the Leave and compare to the lies told by the Remain camp.
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sporty and Portly - LFC (U8531)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 37 minutes ago
So happy that Boris got smashed yesterday. That’s what you get for trying to f*ck with our Parliamentary Sovereignty you tin pot dictator.
He now leads a minority government and Labour will simply refuse to back a General Election until their terms are met.
He’s f*cked.
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The Tories promised to deliver Brexit. They based the whole campain on lies.
People voted for something not knowing for what they exactly voted and which consequences it would have.
The Tories failed badly. People who voted for them should think about twice to do it again. Johnson, Farage and the whole bunch of losers should fack off immediately.
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Stop saying people didn't know what they were voting for, it's beyond arrogant.
Bottom line, the majority of people voted to leave the EU. A deal was tried, it failed leaving no deal as the only viable option.
And you can personally slate Johnson all you like, he'll absolutely romp the next election hence why Labour suddenly don't want one. It's got nothing to do with Boris being able to change the election date, he can get that set in law. They know he'll destroy them, and he will. Since he's been PM he's actually stood up for what the majority of us want, the polls show it clearly.
You can doubt the polls if you want but the only way Boris doesn't win a minimum 60 seat majority is if the Brexit Party oppose him, and Nigel is already making noises that this won't happen.
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I've spent considerable time researching the EU, trade, and customs policy, and feel I'm reasonably well informed to opine on Brexit.
In 2015 I can confidently say (whilst I voted remain) I did not know what I was voting for.
I was unaware of the complex nature of our EU relationship and the multiple EU agencies etc the fabric of country relies on to function.
Anyone (on either side of the debate) who claims they knew exactly what they were voting for is telling porkies.
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I voted to leave the SM, CU & ECJ. Any deal that does not deliver these is not Brexit.
You on the other hand probably voted Remain. Stop trying to lecture us as if we don't know what we wanted during the referendum.
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sporty and Portly - LFC (U8531)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 37 minutes ago
So happy that Boris got smashed yesterday. That’s what you get for trying to f*ck with our Parliamentary Sovereignty you tin pot dictator.
He now leads a minority government and Labour will simply refuse to back a General Election until their terms are met.
He’s f*cked.
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The Tories promised to deliver Brexit. They based the whole campain on lies.
People voted for something not knowing for what they exactly voted and which consequences it would have.
The Tories failed badly. People who voted for them should think about twice to do it again. Johnson, Farage and the whole bunch of losers should fack off immediately.
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Stop saying people didn't know what they were voting for, it's beyond arrogant.
Bottom line, the majority of people voted to leave the EU. A deal was tried, it failed leaving no deal as the only viable option.
And you can personally slate Johnson all you like, he'll absolutely romp the next election hence why Labour suddenly don't want one. It's got nothing to do with Boris being able to change the election date, he can get that set in law. They know he'll destroy them, and he will. Since he's been PM he's actually stood up for what the majority of us want, the polls show it clearly.
You can doubt the polls if you want but the only way Boris doesn't win a minimum 60 seat majority is if the Brexit Party oppose him, and Nigel is already making noises that this won't happen.
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I've spent considerable time researching the EU, trade, and customs policy, and feel I'm reasonably well informed to opine on Brexit.
In 2015 I can confidently say (whilst I voted remain) I did not know what I was voting for.
I was unaware of the complex nature of our EU relationship and the multiple EU agencies etc the fabric of country relies on to function.
Anyone (on either side of the debate) who claims they knew exactly what they were voting for is telling porkies.
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I voted to leave the SM, CU & ECJ. Any deal that does not deliver these is not Brexit.
You on the other hand probably voted Remain. Stop trying to lecture us as if we don't know what we wanted during the referendum.
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I voted leave because we were promised we would leave with a deal by the current PM, we were promised plenty that hasn't materialised.
The referendum result was a sham, lies upon lies. Needs done again with agreed upon facts by both side like they did in Ireland that they are bound by to stop the same happening again with either side only then can we say we have had a fair referendum on exiting the EU.
comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
Since my first vote in the mid 1960s, I have never ever voted for any other political party, and will not be changing now.
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I’ve never understood this mentality.
Politics isn’t like football. Your team is your team. But political stances can change a great deal and I don’t understand staunchly voting for a Party because it’s what you, or your family, have always done. Politics is a more fluid concept than that. Parties change, society changes. Labour for example has a stance presently that’s more left than the centrist position taken up by Blair in the 90’s. If Labour went down the road of outright communism would you still support them, just because it’s Labour?
I was first old enough to vote in 2001, and voted Labour, then Labour again. But in 2010 I voted for the Lib Dem’s as they appealed most to what I believed in by that time. Clegg forming a coalition with Cameron ruined all that, but the point I’m making is I don’t get this “I’m a staunch Labour man always have been always will be” approach to something that changes with the times.
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I agree with this.
Im not criticising you Sandy but I don't understand how people become ingrained with one political party and decide never to change their mind.
Its one of the reasons we have such a clusterfluck of a government over here. We have folk who will vote for a party no matter what their manifesto purely based on the fact they have always voted for them or because my father etc voted for them.
I used to vote for the main parties shall we say maybe 15 years ago now they have not a hope of getting my vote and I will vote for whomever appeals to me at the time or who I think can do the best for people.
Again not a ctiticism
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by TBone Steak Roysters (U3947)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
Farage and Boris should set up a new party and maybe call themselves something like the BNP
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Comments like yours is actually what is spreading the division. Your inability to accept that other people have a right to their point of views without the unnecessary name calling.
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This.
Progressives lol
I'm a Labourite like you Sandy and honestly feel the most sensible way to resolve Brexit is Labour's compromise approach, which is broadly:
1. Get in power
2. Negotiate with EU
3. Put the eventual deal to the parliament and potentially the public
Tories have basically shifted horribly right and I'm sorry but Lib Dem's approach of revocation might play well with remainers but is as equally divisive.
A transparent compromise approach with broad public and parliamentary engagement at each stage feels to me like the only way out of this massive mess.
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sporty and Portly - LFC (U8531)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 37 minutes ago
So happy that Boris got smashed yesterday. That’s what you get for trying to f*ck with our Parliamentary Sovereignty you tin pot dictator.
He now leads a minority government and Labour will simply refuse to back a General Election until their terms are met.
He’s f*cked.
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The Tories promised to deliver Brexit. They based the whole campain on lies.
People voted for something not knowing for what they exactly voted and which consequences it would have.
The Tories failed badly. People who voted for them should think about twice to do it again. Johnson, Farage and the whole bunch of losers should fack off immediately.
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Stop saying people didn't know what they were voting for, it's beyond arrogant.
Bottom line, the majority of people voted to leave the EU. A deal was tried, it failed leaving no deal as the only viable option.
And you can personally slate Johnson all you like, he'll absolutely romp the next election hence why Labour suddenly don't want one. It's got nothing to do with Boris being able to change the election date, he can get that set in law. They know he'll destroy them, and he will. Since he's been PM he's actually stood up for what the majority of us want, the polls show it clearly.
You can doubt the polls if you want but the only way Boris doesn't win a minimum 60 seat majority is if the Brexit Party oppose him, and Nigel is already making noises that this won't happen.
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I've spent considerable time researching the EU, trade, and customs policy, and feel I'm reasonably well informed to opine on Brexit.
In 2015 I can confidently say (whilst I voted remain) I did not know what I was voting for.
I was unaware of the complex nature of our EU relationship and the multiple EU agencies etc the fabric of country relies on to function.
Anyone (on either side of the debate) who claims they knew exactly what they were voting for is telling porkies.
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I voted to leave the SM, CU & ECJ. Any deal that does not deliver these is not Brexit.
You on the other hand probably voted Remain. Stop trying to lecture us as if we don't know what we wanted during the referendum.
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With respect your comments on this site have repeatedly demonstrated you didn't know what you were voting for. Most of our debates have involved me (and others) correcting false/inaccurate statements from you.
Europol for example (as well as many other EU agencies) accept oversight from the ECJ.
UK crime and counter terror prevention agencies (MI5, MI6 etc) collaborate with Europol, (plus others in the EU) to protect UK citizens.
The European Arrest Warrant is issued by the ECJ which has been a vital tool in bringing terror suspects to the UK for trial.
Your vote to leave the jurisdiction of the ECJ would make the lives and security of UK citizens less safe.
I'm sure when you voted to "leave the ECJ" I'm sure you weighed up the risks to UK counter-terrorism protections though. And would accept a heightened terror risk as an acceptable consequence.
comment by Sporty and Portly - LFC (U8531)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 37 minutes ago
So happy that Boris got smashed yesterday. That’s what you get for trying to f*ck with our Parliamentary Sovereignty you tin pot dictator.
He now leads a minority government and Labour will simply refuse to back a General Election until their terms are met.
He’s f*cked.
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The Tories promised to deliver Brexit. They based the whole campain on lies.
People voted for something not knowing for what they exactly voted and which consequences it would have.
The Tories failed badly. People who voted for them should think about twice to do it again. Johnson, Farage and the whole bunch of losers should fack off immediately.
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Stop saying people didn't know what they were voting for, it's beyond arrogant.
Bottom line, the majority of people voted to leave the EU. A deal was tried, it failed leaving no deal as the only viable option.
And you can personally slate Johnson all you like, he'll absolutely romp the next election hence why Labour suddenly don't want one. It's got nothing to do with Boris being able to change the election date, he can get that set in law. They know he'll destroy them, and he will. Since he's been PM he's actually stood up for what the majority of us want, the polls show it clearly.
You can doubt the polls if you want but the only way Boris doesn't win a minimum 60 seat majority is if the Brexit Party oppose him, and Nigel is already making noises that this won't happen.
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They DO want one.
Once the catastrophic No Deal is off the table.
And besides hoping to kick out a few foreigners of course Brexiters didn’t know what they were voting for.
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sporty and Portly - LFC (U8531)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 37 minutes ago
So happy that Boris got smashed yesterday. That’s what you get for trying to f*ck with our Parliamentary Sovereignty you tin pot dictator.
He now leads a minority government and Labour will simply refuse to back a General Election until their terms are met.
He’s f*cked.
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The Tories promised to deliver Brexit. They based the whole campain on lies.
People voted for something not knowing for what they exactly voted and which consequences it would have.
The Tories failed badly. People who voted for them should think about twice to do it again. Johnson, Farage and the whole bunch of losers should fack off immediately.
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Stop saying people didn't know what they were voting for, it's beyond arrogant.
Bottom line, the majority of people voted to leave the EU. A deal was tried, it failed leaving no deal as the only viable option.
And you can personally slate Johnson all you like, he'll absolutely romp the next election hence why Labour suddenly don't want one. It's got nothing to do with Boris being able to change the election date, he can get that set in law. They know he'll destroy them, and he will. Since he's been PM he's actually stood up for what the majority of us want, the polls show it clearly.
You can doubt the polls if you want but the only way Boris doesn't win a minimum 60 seat majority is if the Brexit Party oppose him, and Nigel is already making noises that this won't happen.
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I've spent considerable time researching the EU, trade, and customs policy, and feel I'm reasonably well informed to opine on Brexit.
In 2015 I can confidently say (whilst I voted remain) I did not know what I was voting for.
I was unaware of the complex nature of our EU relationship and the multiple EU agencies etc the fabric of country relies on to function.
Anyone (on either side of the debate) who claims they knew exactly what they were voting for is telling porkies.
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I voted to leave the SM, CU & ECJ. Any deal that does not deliver these is not Brexit.
You on the other hand probably voted Remain. Stop trying to lecture us as if we don't know what we wanted during the referendum.
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So you voted for a HARD BORDER an end to the Good Friday Agreement and an end to peace in Ireland.
Well f*cking done you.
Plus traffifs, job losses and thousands of deaths.
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
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With respect your comments on this site have repeatedly demonstrated you didn't know what you were voting for. Most of our debates have involved me (and others) correcting false/inaccurate statements from you.
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You lot down there would hand the Tories a large majority? Are you lot fecking serious?? Those bastirts who are shafting the lot of us you would actually vote for?? Your right wing attitudes make me sick.
My country has to save itself and leave you lot destroying yourselves.
Disclaimer Scotland is an open left wing country. Decent people will be welcomed
I drove up the North last Saturday. Was wonderful just passing over the border.
It would be an awful shame to go back to border controls we once had and even worse to have the checks etc that used to be there. Pearce Im sure you remember what it was like
"I shall always give my support to the Labour Party, like my football team, you don`t just change teams when the going gets tough. You stick by them through thick and thin...
Try not to make it to tribal fellas."
Whey gets me is this hell-bent drive to get a "NO DEAL" brexit?
Is it because it suits the rich 1% of the country? If you didn't know how Brexit is a concept created by the super-rich, then you need to get clued up on it
Boris is the instigator of the infamour pack of lies on the back of that coach
He and Rees-Moggs have hidden agenda, not least because their financial gains is at stake
Whereas the poor stupids like us think of Brexit in terms of "re-gaining" our sovereignty and borders back, the super rich are on the ones who will benefit from a country that will be severed from a EU common market, and every business will be charged fees and the plethora of middle men who will handle imports/exports who will make large wads of money.
Meanwhile stupid sod from us will be stacking up on toasts and beans, as other products will become too expensive for us as there will be fees levied on them.
If you don't think so, you're the right chaps for Rees-Mogss and his merrymen
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 minute ago
I drove up the North last Saturday. Was wonderful just passing over the border.
It would be an awful shame to go back to border controls we once had and even worse to have the checks etc that used to be there. Pearce Im sure you remember what it was like
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100%. The point folk often miss is it's not just about the border. The GFA ensures that both unionists and Republicans can maintain the status quo minus the violence.
It offers identity to all, which has been vital in maintaining the (fragile) peace. Citizens can hold dual Irish/British citizenship.
But sadly the debate has only surrounded how the square the border circle.
Arguably the country always has been....just a shame those that supported Brexit didn’t actually know what it meant. And instead of admitting this...blind arrogance is taking the country into a pure uncertainty and confusion.
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The country is absolutely divided
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posted on 4/9/19
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 30 minutes ago
Since my first vote in the mid 1960s, I have never ever voted for any other political party, and will not be changing now.
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so much wrong with this. this is how a clown like Trump can get voted in in usa. states like Texas would vote republican regardless of policies..... which is silly.
if labour came out with ludicrous plans, then why would you vote for them?
its nothing like a football team support
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Labour have never come out with ridiculous plans, so why would I not vote for them?
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Why anybody would vote Tory is beyond me. The Conservative party were literally set up to protect the wealth of the rich elite, nothing else.
You’d think people would have sussed this by now!
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Absolutely. Working class Tories are the worse. As if the real dyed in the wall country squire Tories would be seen dead in their company.
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Quite.
Imagine voting for people who clearly loathe you. They don’t even try and hide it.
posted on 4/9/19
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 37 minutes ago
So happy that Boris got smashed yesterday. That’s what you get for trying to f*ck with our Parliamentary Sovereignty you tin pot dictator.
He now leads a minority government and Labour will simply refuse to back a General Election until their terms are met.
He’s f*cked.
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The Tories promised to deliver Brexit. They based the whole campain on lies.
People voted for something not knowing for what they exactly voted and which consequences it would have.
The Tories failed badly. People who voted for them should think about twice to do it again. Johnson, Farage and the whole bunch of losers should fack off immediately.
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Do the Conservative Party even exist anymore? Yesterday was a total bloodbath.
But it’s been coming.
posted on 4/9/19
Johnson getting destroyed at PMQ’s
posted on 4/9/19
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 37 minutes ago
So happy that Boris got smashed yesterday. That’s what you get for trying to f*ck with our Parliamentary Sovereignty you tin pot dictator.
He now leads a minority government and Labour will simply refuse to back a General Election until their terms are met.
He’s f*cked.
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The Tories promised to deliver Brexit. They based the whole campain on lies.
People voted for something not knowing for what they exactly voted and which consequences it would have.
The Tories failed badly. People who voted for them should think about twice to do it again. Johnson, Farage and the whole bunch of losers should fack off immediately.
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Stop saying people didn't know what they were voting for, it's beyond arrogant.
Bottom line, the majority of people voted to leave the EU. A deal was tried, it failed leaving no deal as the only viable option.
And you can personally slate Johnson all you like, he'll absolutely romp the next election hence why Labour suddenly don't want one. It's got nothing to do with Boris being able to change the election date, he can get that set in law. They know he'll destroy them, and he will. Since he's been PM he's actually stood up for what the majority of us want, the polls show it clearly.
You can doubt the polls if you want but the only way Boris doesn't win a minimum 60 seat majority is if the Brexit Party oppose him, and Nigel is already making noises that this won't happen.
posted on 4/9/19
comment by TBone Steak Roysters (U3947)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
Farage and Boris should set up a new party and maybe call themselves something like the BNP
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Comments like yours is actually what is spreading the division. Your inability to accept that other people have a right to their point of views without the unnecessary name calling.
posted on 4/9/19
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 hour ago
So happy that Boris got smashed yesterday. That’s what you get for trying to f*ck with our Parliamentary Sovereignty you tin pot dictator.
He now leads a minority government and Labour will simply refuse to back a General Election until their terms are met.
He’s f*cked.
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On the contrary, I think they have fallen into Boris trap.
Boris has clearly stated that under no circumstance would he personally request for an extension. If the MPs want an extension, then we have to go to the people to elect a new PM. And if not, there will be no formal request for any extension until October 31.
posted on 4/9/19
comment by Sporty and Portly - LFC (U8531)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 37 minutes ago
So happy that Boris got smashed yesterday. That’s what you get for trying to f*ck with our Parliamentary Sovereignty you tin pot dictator.
He now leads a minority government and Labour will simply refuse to back a General Election until their terms are met.
He’s f*cked.
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The Tories promised to deliver Brexit. They based the whole campain on lies.
People voted for something not knowing for what they exactly voted and which consequences it would have.
The Tories failed badly. People who voted for them should think about twice to do it again. Johnson, Farage and the whole bunch of losers should fack off immediately.
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Stop saying people didn't know what they were voting for, it's beyond arrogant.
Bottom line, the majority of people voted to leave the EU. A deal was tried, it failed leaving no deal as the only viable option.
And you can personally slate Johnson all you like, he'll absolutely romp the next election hence why Labour suddenly don't want one. It's got nothing to do with Boris being able to change the election date, he can get that set in law. They know he'll destroy them, and he will. Since he's been PM he's actually stood up for what the majority of us want, the polls show it clearly.
You can doubt the polls if you want but the only way Boris doesn't win a minimum 60 seat majority is if the Brexit Party oppose him, and Nigel is already making noises that this won't happen.
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I've spent considerable time researching the EU, trade, and customs policy, and feel I'm reasonably well informed to opine on Brexit.
In 2015 I can confidently say (whilst I voted remain) I did not know what I was voting for.
I was unaware of the complex nature of our EU relationship and the multiple EU agencies etc the fabric of country relies on to function.
Anyone (on either side of the debate) who claims they knew exactly what they were voting for is telling porkies.
posted on 4/9/19
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 31 minutes ago
Sandy, what you're basically saying is, no matter what Labour stand for or who its Leader is etc, you will vote for them regardless.
I don't get that.
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I have always like what they stand for, fairness and looking after all, not just the elite. Neither been a reason to vote for any other party.
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The Tory party has done more for the less well off compared to Labour. They have fixed the fiscal imbalance left behind by Labour. Helped many people into the property ladder thanks to the Right to buy scheme. And today, many low income earners keep most of their earnings thanks to the Tory tax policies. The idea that Tories only help the rich is a phantom created by old Labour.
posted on 4/9/19
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 37 minutes ago
So happy that Boris got smashed yesterday. That’s what you get for trying to f*ck with our Parliamentary Sovereignty you tin pot dictator.
He now leads a minority government and Labour will simply refuse to back a General Election until their terms are met.
He’s f*cked.
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The Tories promised to deliver Brexit. They based the whole campain on lies.
People voted for something not knowing for what they exactly voted and which consequences it would have.
The Tories failed badly. People who voted for them should think about twice to do it again. Johnson, Farage and the whole bunch of losers should fack off immediately.
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What were the lies told by the Tories? Especially when you recall that the PM and Chancellor were staunch Remainers.
Was it the £350m on the bus? NHS already secured a £20bn Brexit windfall.
Go on and list the lies told by the Leave and compare to the lies told by the Remain camp.
posted on 4/9/19
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sporty and Portly - LFC (U8531)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 37 minutes ago
So happy that Boris got smashed yesterday. That’s what you get for trying to f*ck with our Parliamentary Sovereignty you tin pot dictator.
He now leads a minority government and Labour will simply refuse to back a General Election until their terms are met.
He’s f*cked.
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The Tories promised to deliver Brexit. They based the whole campain on lies.
People voted for something not knowing for what they exactly voted and which consequences it would have.
The Tories failed badly. People who voted for them should think about twice to do it again. Johnson, Farage and the whole bunch of losers should fack off immediately.
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Stop saying people didn't know what they were voting for, it's beyond arrogant.
Bottom line, the majority of people voted to leave the EU. A deal was tried, it failed leaving no deal as the only viable option.
And you can personally slate Johnson all you like, he'll absolutely romp the next election hence why Labour suddenly don't want one. It's got nothing to do with Boris being able to change the election date, he can get that set in law. They know he'll destroy them, and he will. Since he's been PM he's actually stood up for what the majority of us want, the polls show it clearly.
You can doubt the polls if you want but the only way Boris doesn't win a minimum 60 seat majority is if the Brexit Party oppose him, and Nigel is already making noises that this won't happen.
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I've spent considerable time researching the EU, trade, and customs policy, and feel I'm reasonably well informed to opine on Brexit.
In 2015 I can confidently say (whilst I voted remain) I did not know what I was voting for.
I was unaware of the complex nature of our EU relationship and the multiple EU agencies etc the fabric of country relies on to function.
Anyone (on either side of the debate) who claims they knew exactly what they were voting for is telling porkies.
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I voted to leave the SM, CU & ECJ. Any deal that does not deliver these is not Brexit.
You on the other hand probably voted Remain. Stop trying to lecture us as if we don't know what we wanted during the referendum.
posted on 4/9/19
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sporty and Portly - LFC (U8531)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 37 minutes ago
So happy that Boris got smashed yesterday. That’s what you get for trying to f*ck with our Parliamentary Sovereignty you tin pot dictator.
He now leads a minority government and Labour will simply refuse to back a General Election until their terms are met.
He’s f*cked.
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The Tories promised to deliver Brexit. They based the whole campain on lies.
People voted for something not knowing for what they exactly voted and which consequences it would have.
The Tories failed badly. People who voted for them should think about twice to do it again. Johnson, Farage and the whole bunch of losers should fack off immediately.
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Stop saying people didn't know what they were voting for, it's beyond arrogant.
Bottom line, the majority of people voted to leave the EU. A deal was tried, it failed leaving no deal as the only viable option.
And you can personally slate Johnson all you like, he'll absolutely romp the next election hence why Labour suddenly don't want one. It's got nothing to do with Boris being able to change the election date, he can get that set in law. They know he'll destroy them, and he will. Since he's been PM he's actually stood up for what the majority of us want, the polls show it clearly.
You can doubt the polls if you want but the only way Boris doesn't win a minimum 60 seat majority is if the Brexit Party oppose him, and Nigel is already making noises that this won't happen.
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I've spent considerable time researching the EU, trade, and customs policy, and feel I'm reasonably well informed to opine on Brexit.
In 2015 I can confidently say (whilst I voted remain) I did not know what I was voting for.
I was unaware of the complex nature of our EU relationship and the multiple EU agencies etc the fabric of country relies on to function.
Anyone (on either side of the debate) who claims they knew exactly what they were voting for is telling porkies.
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I voted to leave the SM, CU & ECJ. Any deal that does not deliver these is not Brexit.
You on the other hand probably voted Remain. Stop trying to lecture us as if we don't know what we wanted during the referendum.
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I voted leave because we were promised we would leave with a deal by the current PM, we were promised plenty that hasn't materialised.
The referendum result was a sham, lies upon lies. Needs done again with agreed upon facts by both side like they did in Ireland that they are bound by to stop the same happening again with either side only then can we say we have had a fair referendum on exiting the EU.
posted on 4/9/19
comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
Since my first vote in the mid 1960s, I have never ever voted for any other political party, and will not be changing now.
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I’ve never understood this mentality.
Politics isn’t like football. Your team is your team. But political stances can change a great deal and I don’t understand staunchly voting for a Party because it’s what you, or your family, have always done. Politics is a more fluid concept than that. Parties change, society changes. Labour for example has a stance presently that’s more left than the centrist position taken up by Blair in the 90’s. If Labour went down the road of outright communism would you still support them, just because it’s Labour?
I was first old enough to vote in 2001, and voted Labour, then Labour again. But in 2010 I voted for the Lib Dem’s as they appealed most to what I believed in by that time. Clegg forming a coalition with Cameron ruined all that, but the point I’m making is I don’t get this “I’m a staunch Labour man always have been always will be” approach to something that changes with the times.
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I agree with this.
Im not criticising you Sandy but I don't understand how people become ingrained with one political party and decide never to change their mind.
Its one of the reasons we have such a clusterfluck of a government over here. We have folk who will vote for a party no matter what their manifesto purely based on the fact they have always voted for them or because my father etc voted for them.
I used to vote for the main parties shall we say maybe 15 years ago now they have not a hope of getting my vote and I will vote for whomever appeals to me at the time or who I think can do the best for people.
Again not a ctiticism
posted on 4/9/19
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by TBone Steak Roysters (U3947)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
Farage and Boris should set up a new party and maybe call themselves something like the BNP
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Comments like yours is actually what is spreading the division. Your inability to accept that other people have a right to their point of views without the unnecessary name calling.
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This.
Progressives lol
posted on 4/9/19
I'm a Labourite like you Sandy and honestly feel the most sensible way to resolve Brexit is Labour's compromise approach, which is broadly:
1. Get in power
2. Negotiate with EU
3. Put the eventual deal to the parliament and potentially the public
Tories have basically shifted horribly right and I'm sorry but Lib Dem's approach of revocation might play well with remainers but is as equally divisive.
A transparent compromise approach with broad public and parliamentary engagement at each stage feels to me like the only way out of this massive mess.
posted on 4/9/19
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sporty and Portly - LFC (U8531)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 37 minutes ago
So happy that Boris got smashed yesterday. That’s what you get for trying to f*ck with our Parliamentary Sovereignty you tin pot dictator.
He now leads a minority government and Labour will simply refuse to back a General Election until their terms are met.
He’s f*cked.
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The Tories promised to deliver Brexit. They based the whole campain on lies.
People voted for something not knowing for what they exactly voted and which consequences it would have.
The Tories failed badly. People who voted for them should think about twice to do it again. Johnson, Farage and the whole bunch of losers should fack off immediately.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Stop saying people didn't know what they were voting for, it's beyond arrogant.
Bottom line, the majority of people voted to leave the EU. A deal was tried, it failed leaving no deal as the only viable option.
And you can personally slate Johnson all you like, he'll absolutely romp the next election hence why Labour suddenly don't want one. It's got nothing to do with Boris being able to change the election date, he can get that set in law. They know he'll destroy them, and he will. Since he's been PM he's actually stood up for what the majority of us want, the polls show it clearly.
You can doubt the polls if you want but the only way Boris doesn't win a minimum 60 seat majority is if the Brexit Party oppose him, and Nigel is already making noises that this won't happen.
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I've spent considerable time researching the EU, trade, and customs policy, and feel I'm reasonably well informed to opine on Brexit.
In 2015 I can confidently say (whilst I voted remain) I did not know what I was voting for.
I was unaware of the complex nature of our EU relationship and the multiple EU agencies etc the fabric of country relies on to function.
Anyone (on either side of the debate) who claims they knew exactly what they were voting for is telling porkies.
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I voted to leave the SM, CU & ECJ. Any deal that does not deliver these is not Brexit.
You on the other hand probably voted Remain. Stop trying to lecture us as if we don't know what we wanted during the referendum.
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With respect your comments on this site have repeatedly demonstrated you didn't know what you were voting for. Most of our debates have involved me (and others) correcting false/inaccurate statements from you.
Europol for example (as well as many other EU agencies) accept oversight from the ECJ.
UK crime and counter terror prevention agencies (MI5, MI6 etc) collaborate with Europol, (plus others in the EU) to protect UK citizens.
The European Arrest Warrant is issued by the ECJ which has been a vital tool in bringing terror suspects to the UK for trial.
Your vote to leave the jurisdiction of the ECJ would make the lives and security of UK citizens less safe.
I'm sure when you voted to "leave the ECJ" I'm sure you weighed up the risks to UK counter-terrorism protections though. And would accept a heightened terror risk as an acceptable consequence.
posted on 4/9/19
comment by Sporty and Portly - LFC (U8531)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 37 minutes ago
So happy that Boris got smashed yesterday. That’s what you get for trying to f*ck with our Parliamentary Sovereignty you tin pot dictator.
He now leads a minority government and Labour will simply refuse to back a General Election until their terms are met.
He’s f*cked.
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The Tories promised to deliver Brexit. They based the whole campain on lies.
People voted for something not knowing for what they exactly voted and which consequences it would have.
The Tories failed badly. People who voted for them should think about twice to do it again. Johnson, Farage and the whole bunch of losers should fack off immediately.
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Stop saying people didn't know what they were voting for, it's beyond arrogant.
Bottom line, the majority of people voted to leave the EU. A deal was tried, it failed leaving no deal as the only viable option.
And you can personally slate Johnson all you like, he'll absolutely romp the next election hence why Labour suddenly don't want one. It's got nothing to do with Boris being able to change the election date, he can get that set in law. They know he'll destroy them, and he will. Since he's been PM he's actually stood up for what the majority of us want, the polls show it clearly.
You can doubt the polls if you want but the only way Boris doesn't win a minimum 60 seat majority is if the Brexit Party oppose him, and Nigel is already making noises that this won't happen.
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They DO want one.
Once the catastrophic No Deal is off the table.
And besides hoping to kick out a few foreigners of course Brexiters didn’t know what they were voting for.
posted on 4/9/19
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sporty and Portly - LFC (U8531)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 37 minutes ago
So happy that Boris got smashed yesterday. That’s what you get for trying to f*ck with our Parliamentary Sovereignty you tin pot dictator.
He now leads a minority government and Labour will simply refuse to back a General Election until their terms are met.
He’s f*cked.
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The Tories promised to deliver Brexit. They based the whole campain on lies.
People voted for something not knowing for what they exactly voted and which consequences it would have.
The Tories failed badly. People who voted for them should think about twice to do it again. Johnson, Farage and the whole bunch of losers should fack off immediately.
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Stop saying people didn't know what they were voting for, it's beyond arrogant.
Bottom line, the majority of people voted to leave the EU. A deal was tried, it failed leaving no deal as the only viable option.
And you can personally slate Johnson all you like, he'll absolutely romp the next election hence why Labour suddenly don't want one. It's got nothing to do with Boris being able to change the election date, he can get that set in law. They know he'll destroy them, and he will. Since he's been PM he's actually stood up for what the majority of us want, the polls show it clearly.
You can doubt the polls if you want but the only way Boris doesn't win a minimum 60 seat majority is if the Brexit Party oppose him, and Nigel is already making noises that this won't happen.
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I've spent considerable time researching the EU, trade, and customs policy, and feel I'm reasonably well informed to opine on Brexit.
In 2015 I can confidently say (whilst I voted remain) I did not know what I was voting for.
I was unaware of the complex nature of our EU relationship and the multiple EU agencies etc the fabric of country relies on to function.
Anyone (on either side of the debate) who claims they knew exactly what they were voting for is telling porkies.
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I voted to leave the SM, CU & ECJ. Any deal that does not deliver these is not Brexit.
You on the other hand probably voted Remain. Stop trying to lecture us as if we don't know what we wanted during the referendum.
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So you voted for a HARD BORDER an end to the Good Friday Agreement and an end to peace in Ireland.
Well f*cking done you.
posted on 4/9/19
Plus traffifs, job losses and thousands of deaths.
posted on 4/9/19
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
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With respect your comments on this site have repeatedly demonstrated you didn't know what you were voting for. Most of our debates have involved me (and others) correcting false/inaccurate statements from you.
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posted on 4/9/19
You lot down there would hand the Tories a large majority? Are you lot fecking serious?? Those bastirts who are shafting the lot of us you would actually vote for?? Your right wing attitudes make me sick.
My country has to save itself and leave you lot destroying yourselves.
Disclaimer Scotland is an open left wing country. Decent people will be welcomed
posted on 4/9/19
I drove up the North last Saturday. Was wonderful just passing over the border.
It would be an awful shame to go back to border controls we once had and even worse to have the checks etc that used to be there. Pearce Im sure you remember what it was like
posted on 4/9/19
"I shall always give my support to the Labour Party, like my football team, you don`t just change teams when the going gets tough. You stick by them through thick and thin...
Try not to make it to tribal fellas."
posted on 4/9/19
Whey gets me is this hell-bent drive to get a "NO DEAL" brexit?
Is it because it suits the rich 1% of the country? If you didn't know how Brexit is a concept created by the super-rich, then you need to get clued up on it
Boris is the instigator of the infamour pack of lies on the back of that coach
He and Rees-Moggs have hidden agenda, not least because their financial gains is at stake
Whereas the poor stupids like us think of Brexit in terms of "re-gaining" our sovereignty and borders back, the super rich are on the ones who will benefit from a country that will be severed from a EU common market, and every business will be charged fees and the plethora of middle men who will handle imports/exports who will make large wads of money.
Meanwhile stupid sod from us will be stacking up on toasts and beans, as other products will become too expensive for us as there will be fees levied on them.
If you don't think so, you're the right chaps for Rees-Mogss and his merrymen
posted on 4/9/19
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 minute ago
I drove up the North last Saturday. Was wonderful just passing over the border.
It would be an awful shame to go back to border controls we once had and even worse to have the checks etc that used to be there. Pearce Im sure you remember what it was like
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100%. The point folk often miss is it's not just about the border. The GFA ensures that both unionists and Republicans can maintain the status quo minus the violence.
It offers identity to all, which has been vital in maintaining the (fragile) peace. Citizens can hold dual Irish/British citizenship.
But sadly the debate has only surrounded how the square the border circle.
posted on 4/9/19
Arguably the country always has been....just a shame those that supported Brexit didn’t actually know what it meant. And instead of admitting this...blind arrogance is taking the country into a pure uncertainty and confusion.
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