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posted on 24/9/19

comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
Robb, I am a little baffled as to what Ole is trying to achieve myself after the start to the season. Up until the end of preseason it all seemed very clear to me. Why we are playing a different way to what he had us doing in preseason, where we looked good and it suited the squad, is beyond me.

In terms of squad strength, I don't think that we are really much different to Arsenal or Chelsea. I think that you can make an argument for either of those 3. So really we should be in a shoot out for 4th spot, with anything less than 6th being unacceptable. But I can see another team finishing in the top 6 and one of those 3 missing out.
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Yeah, it’s a strange season. Other than the top two it’s average under them. But I’d hope rather than everyone finish in terms of squad strength positions that a manager gets an extra 10/20% out of the players they have and get top 4 based on their managerial prowess rather than hide behind a lack of player (that goes for Lampard and Emery as well as Ole)

posted on 24/9/19

comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 1 minute ago
I said he was very poor going forward over th esummer and got slated due to his stats for Palace last season. He is a great defender 1-1, he isn't going to offer anything in the final third though. Anyone who saw him with the ball at his feet could see that.
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Absolutely. He’s far from our biggest issue and it’s good to see a bit mote solidity there but eventually we will hopefully be looking for someone like Trent (second in the table for chances created this season apparently)

posted on 24/9/19

I find it impossible to measure squad strength. Who is Matic or Rashford better than or worse than for example.
I'm not at all confident we have a top four squad and have serious doubts the managers of Sheffield United or Norwich would get us top four. Or anybody really without at least a couple of additions.
I would say the current style of play is counter attacking. I haven't seen many, or anybpdy, excited that we will suddenly play great football, where did that come from?.
Why should we care if any other big club would have taken him on, we did, so let him have his chance.

posted on 24/9/19

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posted on 24/9/19

comment by Robb - Steve Smith = Legend 🏏🏆 (U21234)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 1 minute ago
I said he was very poor going forward over th esummer and got slated due to his stats for Palace last season. He is a great defender 1-1, he isn't going to offer anything in the final third though. Anyone who saw him with the ball at his feet could see that.
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Absolutely. He’s far from our biggest issue and it’s good to see a bit mote solidity there but eventually we will hopefully be looking for someone like Trent (second in the table for chances created this season apparently)
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Jesus, Rob.

posted on 24/9/19

comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robb - Steve Smith = Legend 🏏🏆 (U21234)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 1 minute ago
I said he was very poor going forward over th esummer and got slated due to his stats for Palace last season. He is a great defender 1-1, he isn't going to offer anything in the final third though. Anyone who saw him with the ball at his feet could see that.
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Absolutely. He’s far from our biggest issue and it’s good to see a bit mote solidity there but eventually we will hopefully be looking for someone like Trent (second in the table for chances created this season apparently)
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You spent 50 million on him. He's your RB for the foreseeable, surely.
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Of course and I’m not saying it’s a bad thing for now. But I’d imagine under a new manager who may want attacking full backs he possibly might eventually get marginalised - we would probably make our money back at some point

posted on 24/9/19

comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Steve Smith = Legend 🏏🏆 (U21234)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 1 minute ago
I said he was very poor going forward over th esummer and got slated due to his stats for Palace last season. He is a great defender 1-1, he isn't going to offer anything in the final third though. Anyone who saw him with the ball at his feet could see that.
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Absolutely. He’s far from our biggest issue and it’s good to see a bit mote solidity there but eventually we will hopefully be looking for someone like Trent (second in the table for chances created this season apparently)
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Jesus, Rob.


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You clearly can’t see how the weakness of AWB might be an issue down the line under a different manager

Like I said, hardly an issue right now but it’s mad to think his lack of attacking ability might not one day be an issue

posted on 24/9/19

I'm happy with AWB, Solidity in defence is the first priority in a fullback for me? Attacking prowess is very much second.
I like the fullback and winger to have a good rapport, a la Becks and Gary Nev. Trent maybe is/will be a great player, but it's pointless looking at each position and thinking we have to have a world class player there.

posted on 24/9/19

He's at least as well thought of as a fullback as Lukaku was as a striker, and I don't remember similar thoughts on him.

posted on 24/9/19

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
He's at least as well thought of as a fullback as Lukaku was as a striker, and I don't remember similar thoughts on him.
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Not quite the same thing

Lukaku was a striker who scored goals and wasn’t really asked to do anything else. AWB can defend well - though not without issues as he is caught out of position a fair bit and is poor going forward. In 2019 that is a bit of an issue for full backs as in a lot of systems they are required to provide the width.

posted on 24/9/19

comment by Robb - Steve Smith = Legend 🏏🏆 (U21234)
posted 2 minutes ago

comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Steve Smith = Legend 🏏🏆 (U21234)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 1 minute ago
I said he was very poor going forward over th esummer and got slated due to his stats for Palace last season. He is a great defender 1-1, he isn't going to offer anything in the final third though. Anyone who saw him with the ball at his feet could see that.
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Absolutely. He’s far from our biggest issue and it’s good to see a bit mote solidity there but eventually we will hopefully be looking for someone like Trent (second in the table for chances created this season apparently)
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Jesus, Rob.


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You clearly can’t see how the weakness of AWB might be an issue down the line under a different manager
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He's 21. Get a grip of yourself.


He's a tremendously difficult player to get past and he has the pace, power and footwork going forward. He just needs to add some quality to his delivery.

His ability and comfort in taking the ball with someone closing him down is already a benefit to us going forward - it would be nice if we had a right sided attacker that he could work off of a bit more but clearly likes to play with one-twos in the final third.

I'd suggest you check your own eyesight before querying mine.

posted on 24/9/19

Similar I would say. Lukaku should also be expected to provide assists, and do his share of winning the ball back.
AWB has scored good marks in every game so far, even if he is caught out of position he recovers well. I don't think he's even poor going forward, but I certainly don't think he's in Trents class.

posted on 24/9/19

comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Steve Smith = Legend 🏏🏆 (U21234)
posted 2 minutes ago

comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Steve Smith = Legend 🏏🏆 (U21234)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 1 minute ago
I said he was very poor going forward over th esummer and got slated due to his stats for Palace last season. He is a great defender 1-1, he isn't going to offer anything in the final third though. Anyone who saw him with the ball at his feet could see that.
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Absolutely. He’s far from our biggest issue and it’s good to see a bit mote solidity there but eventually we will hopefully be looking for someone like Trent (second in the table for chances created this season apparently)
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Jesus, Rob.


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You clearly can’t see how the weakness of AWB might be an issue down the line under a different manager
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He's 21. Get a grip of yourself.


He's a tremendously difficult player to get past and he has the pace, power and footwork going forward. He just needs to add some quality to his delivery.

His ability and comfort in taking the ball with someone closing him down is already a benefit to us going forward - it would be nice if we had a right sided attacker that he could work off of a bit more but clearly likes to play with one-twos in the final third.

I'd suggest you check your own eyesight before querying mine.
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You would know by now even at 21 if he was going to be a right back who could become a great attacking full back. It’s not something you really get as you get older. You either have it or you don’t. I think it’s quite clear he won’t be known as someone with the style of a Trent or a Walker. He can defend and I’m not claiming he should be sold immediately but if we have a manager one day soon who wants an attacking full back you might be surprised to see AWB be marginalised

posted on 24/9/19

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 17 seconds ago
Similar I would say. Lukaku should also be expected to provide assists, and do his share of winning the ball back.
AWB has scored good marks in every game so far, even if he is caught out of position he recovers well. I don't think he's even poor going forward, but I certainly don't think he's in Trents class.

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To be fair in Lukakus first season he got 7 assists. Had a poor return of both goals and assists in his second season but he did put in some good balls and against Liverpool showed a little known quality of playing on the right side and should have had a couple of assists if our players could finish

posted on 24/9/19

I might be surprised if he was marginalised. You might be surprised if he's not. And where is it written you cannot improve as an attacking fullback after the age of 21. He's been a top signing for us so far.

Most people think Ole made three good signings, would it be a surprise if you don't think so? Not really, it would mean giving Ole credit.

posted on 24/9/19

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
I might be surprised if he was marginalised. You might be surprised if he's not. And where is it written you cannot improve as an attacking fullback after the age of 21. He's been a top signing for us so far.

Most people think Ole made three good signings, would it be a surprise if you don't think so? Not really, it would mean giving Ole credit.
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You’re better than this Mu52. Not everyone has an agenda. I was a big Jose fan and readily admit he made bad signings so I don’t think saying there are flaws with one of Ole’s signings is some agenda. It’s just the truth. AWB is good but he may not be what we need long term. I’m very happy with Maguire and James and think all in all Ole has done well in the transfer market.

But that doesn’t mean we should ignore the flaws of AWB. This whole site is about exploring the truth of the club we support. Both good and bad and we shouldn’t be scared to espouse those views just because some people have scores to settle with other posters.

posted on 24/9/19

Tbf it's the first time you have said they were good signings as far as I am aware. And when somebody else did you passed some credit onto Ed.
I have no problem with anyone criticising players or manager, even though I may not agree with it. But it does seem that over the last week or so every post is aimed at showing how poorly Ole is doing. Generally people are not all bad or good, and that includes Ole, he does some good things and some less good.
When you supported Jose, you defended him against criticism, and I don't remember any railing against signings at the time.
I don't have any score to settle, far from it, but I do think you are becoming a little one dimensional regarding Ole.

posted on 24/9/19

Regarding Jose’s signings

Micky
Bailly
Matic
Fred
Sanchez

The above are what I call poor signings. I did want us to get Matic but after about 6 months I realised he was a poor signing. And obviously wanted Sanchez but we all know how that went.

Regarding Ole/Ed - I do think there is an argument to congratulate Ed for the good things he does like bringing in James and AWB as quickly as he did. That’s not to take away from Ole because I’m sure he identified them - but with Ed (and it’s the same as all managers under him) he should be thanked for when he gets it right as well as slated when he gets it wrong - taking so long to bring in Maguire.

posted on 24/9/19

Ole was appointed in March when I'm sure a wish list of players was drawn up. Nobody knows how many players were on that list but the guts of 6 months later Ed managed to secure 3 players. 1 of them a kid from a championship club and the other for the asking price Leicester City wanted from the get go

Ed facked up yet another window

posted on 24/9/19

comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 6 seconds ago
Ole was appointed in March when I'm sure a wish list of players was drawn up. Nobody knows how many players were on that list but the guts of 6 months later Ed managed to secure 3 players. 1 of them a kid from a championship club and the other for the asking price Leicester City wanted from the get go

Ed facked up yet another window
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I agree he got the majority of it wrong as per and he really is the big issue at the club. But he should get some credit for bringing in the likes of James and AWB as quickly as he did. That’s not to say he’s doing a great job as we know this isn’t the case but in the interest of fairness credit should be given when it can - even I give credit to Ole when it’s deserved!

posted on 24/9/19


But he should get some credit for bringing in the likes of James and AWB as quickly as he did.

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Ole was appointed in March

Those deal should have been done within the first week regardless. He basically spent a whole facking window buying harry Maguire and selling lukaku

posted on 24/9/19

comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 1 minute ago

But he should get some credit for bringing in the likes of James and AWB as quickly as he did.

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Ole was appointed in March

Those deal should have been done within the first week regardless. He basically spent a whole facking window buying harry Maguire and selling lukaku


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And I’ve said he deserves scorn for that. All in all I think he did a bad job in the window. But the bad can’t take away from the small amount of good he has done

posted on 24/9/19

After 6 years he can negotiate a deal with the mighty Swansea City


Whoopdedoo

posted on 24/9/19

And where is it written you cannot improve as an attacking fullback after the age of 21.

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What age was Valencia when made the reverse move ?

posted on 24/9/19

comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 13 minutes ago
And where is it written you cannot improve as an attacking fullback after the age of 21.

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What age was Valencia when made the reverse move ?

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That question doesn’t make any sense regarding the debate though

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