comment by gunnersaurus rex (U21846)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by gunnersaurus rex (U21846)
posted 12 minutes ago
I actually think Liverpool are a very strong side mentally, I will even go as far as saying they are mentally stronger than City. They wouldn't have won the CL the following season after having their keeper embarrass Klopp and the faith he put on him on the biggest stage in the previous season against Real Madrid and coming back against a Messi led barca.
You don't do such things if you are a mentally weak side. Liverpool are essentially the opposite of Spurs in my opinion in the mental stakes.
The only reason Liverpool didnt win the league last season was because Pep is kinda a genius and I kinda buy in the logic of some Liverpool fans that they didn't bottle it last season. What City did to stave of Liverpool after looking dead and buried at christmas was amazing, for me the game at Old Trafford was the stand out performance. City were starting to huff and puff, lots of fixtures to deal with and going to Old Trafford and winning so comfortably was effectively what separated them from Liverpool who came away with a meek draw.
In my opinion if Liverpool can hold on to Klopp they will eventually win it. The problem is holding on to Klopp which wont be easy.
I cant see both Pep and Klopp managing either team in the 2020/2021 season. They will both be gone
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Gone next season??
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I meant 2021/2022 season
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not sure about pep but i feel klopp could be at liverpool for another 10 years.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 30 minutes ago
Klopp has said he has 2 seasons left.
No way will their luck with Injuries (or lack of them) hold out that long, so they have to take advantage this season or probably never will.
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So we buy players who have excellent injury records and then call it luck when they aren't injured? Apart from Allison who got injured this season, I can't think of one first team player who wasn't injured last season. I mean we had Robertson, Firmino and Salah out against Barca and won 4-0, so even with worse injuries, we may still have picked the points up.
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Reality is that you didn’t have to cope with long ten injuries to key players last season and that is fortunate.
But you need a bit of good fortune when you’re trying to topple a squad assembled for the value of City’s.
The only thing I could see Liverpool bottling before Christmas is Klopp's man-juice. The perfect gift for people like RAP and Robb.
depends who wins it over us, if City no, if someone else possibly yeah.
its 8 games in, City were clear favourites and rightly so for numerous reasons not just their £300m superior squad but the fact theyve been the best and most consistent team the prems ever seen 190 odd points over 2 seasons worth of fixtures..
comment by gunnersaurus rex (U21846)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by gunnersaurus rex (U21846)
posted 12 minutes ago
I actually think Liverpool are a very strong side mentally, I will even go as far as saying they are mentally stronger than City. They wouldn't have won the CL the following season after having their keeper embarrass Klopp and the faith he put on him on the biggest stage in the previous season against Real Madrid and coming back against a Messi led barca.
You don't do such things if you are a mentally weak side. Liverpool are essentially the opposite of Spurs in my opinion in the mental stakes.
The only reason Liverpool didnt win the league last season was because Pep is kinda a genius and I kinda buy in the logic of some Liverpool fans that they didn't bottle it last season. What City did to stave of Liverpool after looking dead and buried at christmas was amazing, for me the game at Old Trafford was the stand out performance. City were starting to huff and puff, lots of fixtures to deal with and going to Old Trafford and winning so comfortably was effectively what separated them from Liverpool who came away with a meek draw.
In my opinion if Liverpool can hold on to Klopp they will eventually win it. The problem is holding on to Klopp which wont be easy.
I cant see both Pep and Klopp managing either team in the 2020/2021 season. They will both be gone
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Gone next season??
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I meant 2021/2022 season
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That will be Klopp's final season if he doesn't extend.
From this position you’d have to say so. Or their luck just runs out.
There's no such thing as bottling from 30 games out. It's a ludicrous suggestion. Form comes and goes over the course of a season.
If we have at least as big a lead in January/February and fail to win then maybe. But it's silly to start using the word bottling in October.
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 30 minutes ago
Klopp has said he has 2 seasons left.
No way will their luck with Injuries (or lack of them) hold out that long, so they have to take advantage this season or probably never will.
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So we buy players who have excellent injury records and then call it luck when they aren't injured? Apart from Allison who got injured this season, I can't think of one first team player who wasn't injured last season. I mean we had Robertson, Firmino and Salah out against Barca and won 4-0, so even with worse injuries, we may still have picked the points up.
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Injured for prolonged periods I'm talking. Apart from Allison and Gomez & hardly key players in your set up) who have you lost to long term I nury in the last 3 seasons?
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Gomez was a key player and part of the pairing the had conceded the least goals at the time before his injury. Matip took his chance and now Gomez has to wait to get back in. Alisson is a key player and the difference between us winning the CL last season and not the season before.
Keita was out for a long period. All the others had time out. But like I said before, buying players who have good injury records and them not getting ao many injuries is not luck.
I've heard all sorts of reasons trying to justify why Liverpool are so good, most due to some form of luck. How long do you expect luck to last for? So far it has been lucky with injuries, lucky with refereeing decisions and the season before last it was lucky draw in the CL, only for us to go and dump Bayern and Barca out the following season on our way to the final.
Some people are just bitter. Like you, for example.
City won 18 in a row to establish a new record.
No way Liverpool bottled last season. The champions has to break the wins in a row record to pip Liverpool by a point.
Its more about how good City are than bottling it. Didn't give Liverpool a chance.
TOOR, it’s pathetic to call an observation regarding Liverpool’s good fortune with injuries as ‘bitter’.
The fact is that you don’t have the same strength in depth as City and so most feel that if you suffered some long term injuries to key players, you might struggle more than City.
It’s not a controversial point and certainly not bitter - I don’t know why you’re so defensive on this point.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 11 seconds ago
TOOR, it’s pathetic to call an observation regarding Liverpool’s good fortune with injuries as ‘bitter’.
The fact is that you don’t have the same strength in depth as City and so most feel that if you suffered some long term injuries to key players, you might struggle more than City.
It’s not a controversial point and certainly not bitter - I don’t know why you’re so defensive on this point.
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Yeah I don't converse with trolls. I'm ignoring you from now on.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 11 seconds ago
TOOR, it’s pathetic to call an observation regarding Liverpool’s good fortune with injuries as ‘bitter’.
The fact is that you don’t have the same strength in depth as City and so most feel that if you suffered some long term injuries to key players, you might struggle more than City.
It’s not a controversial point and certainly not bitter - I don’t know why you’re so defensive on this point.
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Yeah I don't converse with trolls. I'm ignoring you from now on.
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Yes, just like last time this conversation came up. You claimed you’d lost lots of key players last season, I put up the stats to prove you wrong and you didn’t post again.
As I said the other day, you’ve stopped using this site sensibly and become a troll. This helps prove my point again.
Here are the stats that TOOR run away from last time. He claimed Liverpool’s key players didn’t play pretty much the entire league season.
Salah - 38
Alisson - 38
Van Dijk - 38
Mane - 37
Firmino - 34
Needless to say he didn’t comment again.
Not sure why it’s so controversial. Nothing wrong with having good fortune, particularly with injuries.
best chance for the reds to win da league!
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 12 minutes ago
Here are the stats that TOOR run away from last time. He claimed Liverpool’s key players didn’t play pretty much the entire league season.
Salah - 38
Alisson - 38
Van Dijk - 38
Mane - 37
Firmino - 34
Needless to say he didn’t comment again.
Not sure why it’s so controversial. Nothing wrong with having good fortune, particularly with injuries.
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Ultimately, it’s never solely down to one team, it’s how others perform too (Liverpool certainly didn’t bottle it last year for example).
I predicted them to win it at the start as I didn’t think we’d keep it going for three seasons and they’d want it more, though I thought it would be close. Us losing Laporte has put paid to that a bit though and I think it’s more likely the gap will grow rather than reduce, at least until he is back.
They’re excellent and were last season too.
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 46 seconds ago
Ultimately, it’s never solely down to one team, it’s how others perform too (Liverpool certainly didn’t bottle it last year for example).
I predicted them to win it at the start as I didn’t think we’d keep it going for three seasons and they’d want it more, though I thought it would be close. Us losing Laporte has put paid to that a bit though and I think it’s more likely the gap will grow rather than reduce, at least until he is back.
They’re excellent and were last season too.
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Agreed and I think this thread shows that the vast majority of rival fans will acknowledge that and not get involved in silly ‘bottling’ jibes.
Doesn’t stop some of them getting defensive though!
Every club apart from the club that wins it bottled the league. very simple. Why is the 2nd place team classed as a bottle job when everyone below bottled it earlier in the season. Very strange article!!
Just to be clear - this article (and myself) doesn’t think Liverpool bottled it last season
But this season with everything lined up the way it is is where I feel if Liverpool didn’t do it this time round I feel it would be a bottlejob
Regarding injuries why are we lucky??
We hired the best fitness coaches in football in the last couple of years. Klopp has been following them at Bayern for years and always raved about them when he was battling them each season and always talked about how their players were always running more than other teams and looked fitter.
We spend a lot of time as a club looking at players histories with injuries and fatigue before we buy them. We also look at players stamina to play in Klopp's system. We had the chance to sign Fekir and pulled out due to uncertainty in his injury records and weaknesses. He was deemed unsuitable for our style of fitness. We didn't sign him.
All this meticulous planning behind the scenes does not make us lucky.
Most of our injuries are short term. We had a situation last season where our 2 centre backs were a 4th choice defender & a central midfielder who has never played there for our club.
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The only reason Liverpool didnt win the league last season was because Pep is kinda a genius and I kinda buy in the logic of some Liverpool fans that they didn't bottle it last season
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What a stupid statement
Some people want to so badly believe in their comfort truths, even if these are wrong
Here's an excerpt from BBC about Xmas 2018 and how Liverpool lost the title in 1 team title chase. Bottled it? VERY BIG TIME!
Bbc:
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Liverpool move into the new year seven points ahead at the top of the table and no team in Premier League history has been so far clear on New Year's Day and not gone on to win the title.
Twice teams have been five points in front and finished second, but that is the biggest lead that has slipped at this stage.
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Biggest lead at Xmas and still lost the title....And yet this numpty thinks they have mental strength
For those who believe in gathering facts and not believe their "own" fantasy stats, here's the source:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46712846
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posted on 16/10/19
comment by gunnersaurus rex (U21846)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by gunnersaurus rex (U21846)
posted 12 minutes ago
I actually think Liverpool are a very strong side mentally, I will even go as far as saying they are mentally stronger than City. They wouldn't have won the CL the following season after having their keeper embarrass Klopp and the faith he put on him on the biggest stage in the previous season against Real Madrid and coming back against a Messi led barca.
You don't do such things if you are a mentally weak side. Liverpool are essentially the opposite of Spurs in my opinion in the mental stakes.
The only reason Liverpool didnt win the league last season was because Pep is kinda a genius and I kinda buy in the logic of some Liverpool fans that they didn't bottle it last season. What City did to stave of Liverpool after looking dead and buried at christmas was amazing, for me the game at Old Trafford was the stand out performance. City were starting to huff and puff, lots of fixtures to deal with and going to Old Trafford and winning so comfortably was effectively what separated them from Liverpool who came away with a meek draw.
In my opinion if Liverpool can hold on to Klopp they will eventually win it. The problem is holding on to Klopp which wont be easy.
I cant see both Pep and Klopp managing either team in the 2020/2021 season. They will both be gone
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Gone next season??
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I meant 2021/2022 season
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not sure about pep but i feel klopp could be at liverpool for another 10 years.
posted on 16/10/19
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 30 minutes ago
Klopp has said he has 2 seasons left.
No way will their luck with Injuries (or lack of them) hold out that long, so they have to take advantage this season or probably never will.
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So we buy players who have excellent injury records and then call it luck when they aren't injured? Apart from Allison who got injured this season, I can't think of one first team player who wasn't injured last season. I mean we had Robertson, Firmino and Salah out against Barca and won 4-0, so even with worse injuries, we may still have picked the points up.
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Reality is that you didn’t have to cope with long ten injuries to key players last season and that is fortunate.
But you need a bit of good fortune when you’re trying to topple a squad assembled for the value of City’s.
posted on 16/10/19
The only thing I could see Liverpool bottling before Christmas is Klopp's man-juice. The perfect gift for people like RAP and Robb.
posted on 16/10/19
depends who wins it over us, if City no, if someone else possibly yeah.
posted on 16/10/19
its 8 games in, City were clear favourites and rightly so for numerous reasons not just their £300m superior squad but the fact theyve been the best and most consistent team the prems ever seen 190 odd points over 2 seasons worth of fixtures..
posted on 16/10/19
comment by gunnersaurus rex (U21846)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by gunnersaurus rex (U21846)
posted 12 minutes ago
I actually think Liverpool are a very strong side mentally, I will even go as far as saying they are mentally stronger than City. They wouldn't have won the CL the following season after having their keeper embarrass Klopp and the faith he put on him on the biggest stage in the previous season against Real Madrid and coming back against a Messi led barca.
You don't do such things if you are a mentally weak side. Liverpool are essentially the opposite of Spurs in my opinion in the mental stakes.
The only reason Liverpool didnt win the league last season was because Pep is kinda a genius and I kinda buy in the logic of some Liverpool fans that they didn't bottle it last season. What City did to stave of Liverpool after looking dead and buried at christmas was amazing, for me the game at Old Trafford was the stand out performance. City were starting to huff and puff, lots of fixtures to deal with and going to Old Trafford and winning so comfortably was effectively what separated them from Liverpool who came away with a meek draw.
In my opinion if Liverpool can hold on to Klopp they will eventually win it. The problem is holding on to Klopp which wont be easy.
I cant see both Pep and Klopp managing either team in the 2020/2021 season. They will both be gone
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Gone next season??
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I meant 2021/2022 season
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That will be Klopp's final season if he doesn't extend.
posted on 16/10/19
From this position you’d have to say so. Or their luck just runs out.
posted on 16/10/19
There's no such thing as bottling from 30 games out. It's a ludicrous suggestion. Form comes and goes over the course of a season.
posted on 16/10/19
If we have at least as big a lead in January/February and fail to win then maybe. But it's silly to start using the word bottling in October.
posted on 16/10/19
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 30 minutes ago
Klopp has said he has 2 seasons left.
No way will their luck with Injuries (or lack of them) hold out that long, so they have to take advantage this season or probably never will.
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So we buy players who have excellent injury records and then call it luck when they aren't injured? Apart from Allison who got injured this season, I can't think of one first team player who wasn't injured last season. I mean we had Robertson, Firmino and Salah out against Barca and won 4-0, so even with worse injuries, we may still have picked the points up.
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Injured for prolonged periods I'm talking. Apart from Allison and Gomez & hardly key players in your set up) who have you lost to long term I nury in the last 3 seasons?
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Gomez was a key player and part of the pairing the had conceded the least goals at the time before his injury. Matip took his chance and now Gomez has to wait to get back in. Alisson is a key player and the difference between us winning the CL last season and not the season before.
Keita was out for a long period. All the others had time out. But like I said before, buying players who have good injury records and them not getting ao many injuries is not luck.
I've heard all sorts of reasons trying to justify why Liverpool are so good, most due to some form of luck. How long do you expect luck to last for? So far it has been lucky with injuries, lucky with refereeing decisions and the season before last it was lucky draw in the CL, only for us to go and dump Bayern and Barca out the following season on our way to the final.
Some people are just bitter. Like you, for example.
posted on 16/10/19
City won 18 in a row to establish a new record.
No way Liverpool bottled last season. The champions has to break the wins in a row record to pip Liverpool by a point.
Its more about how good City are than bottling it. Didn't give Liverpool a chance.
posted on 16/10/19
TOOR, it’s pathetic to call an observation regarding Liverpool’s good fortune with injuries as ‘bitter’.
The fact is that you don’t have the same strength in depth as City and so most feel that if you suffered some long term injuries to key players, you might struggle more than City.
It’s not a controversial point and certainly not bitter - I don’t know why you’re so defensive on this point.
posted on 16/10/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 11 seconds ago
TOOR, it’s pathetic to call an observation regarding Liverpool’s good fortune with injuries as ‘bitter’.
The fact is that you don’t have the same strength in depth as City and so most feel that if you suffered some long term injuries to key players, you might struggle more than City.
It’s not a controversial point and certainly not bitter - I don’t know why you’re so defensive on this point.
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Yeah I don't converse with trolls. I'm ignoring you from now on.
posted on 16/10/19
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 11 seconds ago
TOOR, it’s pathetic to call an observation regarding Liverpool’s good fortune with injuries as ‘bitter’.
The fact is that you don’t have the same strength in depth as City and so most feel that if you suffered some long term injuries to key players, you might struggle more than City.
It’s not a controversial point and certainly not bitter - I don’t know why you’re so defensive on this point.
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Yeah I don't converse with trolls. I'm ignoring you from now on.
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Yes, just like last time this conversation came up. You claimed you’d lost lots of key players last season, I put up the stats to prove you wrong and you didn’t post again.
As I said the other day, you’ve stopped using this site sensibly and become a troll. This helps prove my point again.
posted on 16/10/19
Here are the stats that TOOR run away from last time. He claimed Liverpool’s key players didn’t play pretty much the entire league season.
Salah - 38
Alisson - 38
Van Dijk - 38
Mane - 37
Firmino - 34
Needless to say he didn’t comment again.
Not sure why it’s so controversial. Nothing wrong with having good fortune, particularly with injuries.
posted on 16/10/19
best chance for the reds to win da league!
posted on 16/10/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 12 minutes ago
Here are the stats that TOOR run away from last time. He claimed Liverpool’s key players didn’t play pretty much the entire league season.
Salah - 38
Alisson - 38
Van Dijk - 38
Mane - 37
Firmino - 34
Needless to say he didn’t comment again.
Not sure why it’s so controversial. Nothing wrong with having good fortune, particularly with injuries.
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posted on 16/10/19
Ultimately, it’s never solely down to one team, it’s how others perform too (Liverpool certainly didn’t bottle it last year for example).
I predicted them to win it at the start as I didn’t think we’d keep it going for three seasons and they’d want it more, though I thought it would be close. Us losing Laporte has put paid to that a bit though and I think it’s more likely the gap will grow rather than reduce, at least until he is back.
They’re excellent and were last season too.
posted on 16/10/19
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 46 seconds ago
Ultimately, it’s never solely down to one team, it’s how others perform too (Liverpool certainly didn’t bottle it last year for example).
I predicted them to win it at the start as I didn’t think we’d keep it going for three seasons and they’d want it more, though I thought it would be close. Us losing Laporte has put paid to that a bit though and I think it’s more likely the gap will grow rather than reduce, at least until he is back.
They’re excellent and were last season too.
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Agreed and I think this thread shows that the vast majority of rival fans will acknowledge that and not get involved in silly ‘bottling’ jibes.
Doesn’t stop some of them getting defensive though!
posted on 16/10/19
Every club apart from the club that wins it bottled the league. very simple. Why is the 2nd place team classed as a bottle job when everyone below bottled it earlier in the season. Very strange article!!
posted on 16/10/19
Just to be clear - this article (and myself) doesn’t think Liverpool bottled it last season
But this season with everything lined up the way it is is where I feel if Liverpool didn’t do it this time round I feel it would be a bottlejob
posted on 16/10/19
Regarding injuries why are we lucky??
We hired the best fitness coaches in football in the last couple of years. Klopp has been following them at Bayern for years and always raved about them when he was battling them each season and always talked about how their players were always running more than other teams and looked fitter.
We spend a lot of time as a club looking at players histories with injuries and fatigue before we buy them. We also look at players stamina to play in Klopp's system. We had the chance to sign Fekir and pulled out due to uncertainty in his injury records and weaknesses. He was deemed unsuitable for our style of fitness. We didn't sign him.
All this meticulous planning behind the scenes does not make us lucky.
Most of our injuries are short term. We had a situation last season where our 2 centre backs were a 4th choice defender & a central midfielder who has never played there for our club.
posted on 16/10/19
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posted on 16/10/19
The only reason Liverpool didnt win the league last season was because Pep is kinda a genius and I kinda buy in the logic of some Liverpool fans that they didn't bottle it last season
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What a stupid statement
Some people want to so badly believe in their comfort truths, even if these are wrong
Here's an excerpt from BBC about Xmas 2018 and how Liverpool lost the title in 1 team title chase. Bottled it? VERY BIG TIME!
Bbc:
"
Liverpool move into the new year seven points ahead at the top of the table and no team in Premier League history has been so far clear on New Year's Day and not gone on to win the title.
Twice teams have been five points in front and finished second, but that is the biggest lead that has slipped at this stage.
"
Biggest lead at Xmas and still lost the title....And yet this numpty thinks they have mental strength
posted on 16/10/19
For those who believe in gathering facts and not believe their "own" fantasy stats, here's the source:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46712846
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