Excellent article, well written Steve, lots of good
sentiment and thought gone into that article.
5 stars!
You're combining 2 specific issues here, the centenary celebrations and assessment of AR in general.
The Centenary should be a chance to reflect on our heritage, look forward to the future and recognise all involved, staff, players, fans and community.
I would have expected some great offers for ST holders, so memorable merchandise, some relevant friendlies, some meeting player events.
We've kind of had that, but not in way I was hoping.
We've been given chance to buy some more expensive stones, we've had numerous different kits unveiled, events to meet players but at very high prices....the whole theme that runs through this is really milking the fan base and putting a lot of stuff beyond their financial reach. Great for corporate sponsors, but not for the majority of fans.
The Centenary shirt is a great example. Many were waiting for it after the too radical departure of the pink kit. The Centenary shirt has again missed the spot in a lot of people's eyes, which again raises the question of how in tune with the fans the club really is. Change that shirt to have gold LUFC script and everything changes. But, by producing such limited numbers, it's not for most fans, its just for corporates and the reaction online and the stupid bids on Ebay of 60k for a shirt show how a lot of fans feel about this.
Have just heard this morning about AR yesterday and how a lot of people were not happy about him getting his name on plaque, calling it 'my club', including Eleven Sports in the dream picture of Leeds players, and then stopping every attendee for picture with centenary shirt.
AR has repeatedly been asked about whether 11 sports are paying anything for the fact that their name is all over internal backboard for press, but he refuses to answer.
The sentiment towards AR is shifting, and people who deal with him do not trust him.
The conversation also covered AR's interview with Times and AR's refusal to give anyone else any time regarding questions on his quotes, specifically that the salary bill was now 40 mill (not costs, but salary bill).
I was positive about AR when he took over but there were questions then, but a hell of a lot more questions now about what is going on and you could write an article about him, remove his name and be forgiven for thinking it was an article about publicity Pete.
On record that I do not trust Radrizzani, I think we knew where stood with Bates and Celino but with this guy I am not so sure.
els, the feedback I had from yesterday was one of disgust at the blatant commercialism, especially the stopping each legend to get them to pose with a shirt. This is from people used to these situations and this was first reaction to yesterdays events.
Apparently sales were low for event and calls round to people to get them to get tickets then wouldn't allow them to sit together, for example party of Norwegians all come over together then forced to sit on different tables.
Press were only invited as the club hadn't sold all their tickets.
the 65 grand shirt
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Leeds-United-Centenary-Shirt-and-Book-Limited-Edition-1919/153688397788?hash=item23c88ad7dc:g:MtwAAOSwilNdqMUw
You couldn’t buy a ticket for the centenary meal on Monday so no idea why you are saying it was not sold out.
kebab, because they invited loads of press after realising they had spare tickets.
Rad type of guy who if double jointed in the the back, he wouldn’t leave the house.
All about him
What worries me is running the club as if we have PL turnover, the wages being offered, the 15 million purchase of Costa which is non negotiable etc IF we don’t go up, we could well be in deep do do, it’s a huge gamble and if it doesn’t come off.....
AR volunteered wages figure of 40 mill in his interview, not costs, wages.
He’s refused to answer press questions on this subsequently, he’s either made another public gaffe or we are in massive financial trouble.
Elsbels my thoughts exactly .The broblem is Bates and Cellino were honest about being crooked made no secret about it but Radrizzani is crooked about being honest sneaky is the word I'd use.Where is the 25plus million he got for all those players he sold.
comment by The Donn (U15142)
posted 5 minutes ago
Elsbels my thoughts exactly .The broblem is Bates and Cellino were honest about being crooked made no secret about it but Radrizzani is crooked about being honest sneaky is the word I'd use.Where is the 25plus million he got for all those players he sold.
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Felt like he pocketed the money just before he sells up bext season. Could have brought another few players in with the money made from sold players. If we aint careful, we'll lose Clarke and Nketiah like we did with Saiz and Baker last season, and Ben White is the new Bartley. I wanna like Radz, and I do to an extent, but this chancer approach isn't working, the honeymoon is over, we're 5th when we should be miles out in front, we need to get promoted this season.
the usual suspects turning a really good, well thought out article into another chance for a moanfest....
....planning to do this to every thread going guys??
oh and by the way...AR owns the club so can do what the hell he likes...if that’s the slower & cheaper way, and doesn’t suit your “AR please spend another £50m a year” expectations, well that’s just the way it is.
Good article Stevie.... 5 stars from me
comment by salonika73 (U4688)
posted 2 hours, 32 minutes ago
the usual suspects turning a really good, well thought out article into another chance for a moanfest....
....planning to do this to every thread going guys??
oh and by the way...AR owns the club so can do what the hell he likes...if that’s the slower & cheaper way, and doesn’t suit your “AR please spend another £50m a year” expectations, well that’s just the way it is.
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Who said anything about spending 50 mil?
If we'd have spent 5 mil we'd have gone up last season.
If we'd have spent 5 mil we'd have gone up last season.
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Or maybe we wouldn’t. Then you’d say we should have spent £10m and if that’s not enough, more and more.
Or maybe we would have...but that’s AR’s call whether he wants to spend that £5m
...when was the last time you gambled £5m quid??
comment by NJS (U8272)
posted 11 hours, 39 minutes ago
Excellent article, well written Steve, lots of good
sentiment and thought gone into that article.
5 stars!
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Thank you
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 11 hours, 5 minutes ago
You're combining 2 specific issues here, the centenary celebrations and assessment of AR in general.
The Centenary should be a chance to reflect on our heritage, look forward to the future and recognise all involved, staff, players, fans and community.
I would have expected some great offers for ST holders, so memorable merchandise, some relevant friendlies, some meeting player events.
We've kind of had that, but not in way I was hoping.
We've been given chance to buy some more expensive stones, we've had numerous different kits unveiled, events to meet players but at very high prices....the whole theme that runs through this is really milking the fan base and putting a lot of stuff beyond their financial reach. Great for corporate sponsors, but not for the majority of fans.
The Centenary shirt is a great example. Many were waiting for it after the too radical departure of the pink kit. The Centenary shirt has again missed the spot in a lot of people's eyes, which again raises the question of how in tune with the fans the club really is. Change that shirt to have gold LUFC script and everything changes. But, by producing such limited numbers, it's not for most fans, its just for corporates and the reaction online and the stupid bids on Ebay of 60k for a shirt show how a lot of fans feel about this.
Have just heard this morning about AR yesterday and how a lot of people were not happy about him getting his name on plaque, calling it 'my club', including Eleven Sports in the dream picture of Leeds players, and then stopping every attendee for picture with centenary shirt.
AR has repeatedly been asked about whether 11 sports are paying anything for the fact that their name is all over internal backboard for press, but he refuses to answer.
The sentiment towards AR is shifting, and people who deal with him do not trust him.
The conversation also covered AR's interview with Times and AR's refusal to give anyone else any time regarding questions on his quotes, specifically that the salary bill was now 40 mill (not costs, but salary bill).
I was positive about AR when he took over but there were questions then, but a hell of a lot more questions now about what is going on and you could write an article about him, remove his name and be forgiven for thinking it was an article about publicity Pete.
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I take on board your comments but this club is still progressing.....
comment by Shaun M - I can't see me loving nobody but Leeds! (U9955)
posted 5 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by The Donn (U15142)
posted 5 minutes ago
Elsbels my thoughts exactly .The broblem is Bates and Cellino were honest about being crooked made no secret about it but Radrizzani is crooked about being honest sneaky is the word I'd use.Where is the 25plus million he got for all those players he sold.
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Felt like he pocketed the money just before he sells up bext season. Could have brought another few players in with the money made from sold players. If we aint careful, we'll lose Clarke and Nketiah like we did with Saiz and Baker last season, and Ben White is the new Bartley. I wanna like Radz, and I do to an extent, but this chancer approach isn't working, the honeymoon is over, we're 5th when we should be miles out in front, we need to get promoted this season.
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Do we not think some of the responsibility of our league position rests with Bielsa and the players?
comment by The Spanish Italians (U21595)
posted 5 hours, 11 minutes ago
Good article Stevie.... 5 stars from me
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Thank you!
comment by Kebablegs (U17699)
posted 3 hours, 49 minutes ago
5 from me
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Cheers!!
comment by Stoopo (U4707)
posted 3 hours, 12 minutes ago
...and from me!
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Enjoyed that and all the other constructive comments, a worthy 5
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posted on 18/10/19
Excellent article, well written Steve, lots of good
sentiment and thought gone into that article.
5 stars!
posted on 18/10/19
You're combining 2 specific issues here, the centenary celebrations and assessment of AR in general.
The Centenary should be a chance to reflect on our heritage, look forward to the future and recognise all involved, staff, players, fans and community.
I would have expected some great offers for ST holders, so memorable merchandise, some relevant friendlies, some meeting player events.
We've kind of had that, but not in way I was hoping.
We've been given chance to buy some more expensive stones, we've had numerous different kits unveiled, events to meet players but at very high prices....the whole theme that runs through this is really milking the fan base and putting a lot of stuff beyond their financial reach. Great for corporate sponsors, but not for the majority of fans.
The Centenary shirt is a great example. Many were waiting for it after the too radical departure of the pink kit. The Centenary shirt has again missed the spot in a lot of people's eyes, which again raises the question of how in tune with the fans the club really is. Change that shirt to have gold LUFC script and everything changes. But, by producing such limited numbers, it's not for most fans, its just for corporates and the reaction online and the stupid bids on Ebay of 60k for a shirt show how a lot of fans feel about this.
Have just heard this morning about AR yesterday and how a lot of people were not happy about him getting his name on plaque, calling it 'my club', including Eleven Sports in the dream picture of Leeds players, and then stopping every attendee for picture with centenary shirt.
AR has repeatedly been asked about whether 11 sports are paying anything for the fact that their name is all over internal backboard for press, but he refuses to answer.
The sentiment towards AR is shifting, and people who deal with him do not trust him.
The conversation also covered AR's interview with Times and AR's refusal to give anyone else any time regarding questions on his quotes, specifically that the salary bill was now 40 mill (not costs, but salary bill).
I was positive about AR when he took over but there were questions then, but a hell of a lot more questions now about what is going on and you could write an article about him, remove his name and be forgiven for thinking it was an article about publicity Pete.
posted on 18/10/19
On record that I do not trust Radrizzani, I think we knew where stood with Bates and Celino but with this guy I am not so sure.
posted on 18/10/19
els, the feedback I had from yesterday was one of disgust at the blatant commercialism, especially the stopping each legend to get them to pose with a shirt. This is from people used to these situations and this was first reaction to yesterdays events.
Apparently sales were low for event and calls round to people to get them to get tickets then wouldn't allow them to sit together, for example party of Norwegians all come over together then forced to sit on different tables.
Press were only invited as the club hadn't sold all their tickets.
posted on 18/10/19
the 65 grand shirt
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Leeds-United-Centenary-Shirt-and-Book-Limited-Edition-1919/153688397788?hash=item23c88ad7dc:g:MtwAAOSwilNdqMUw
posted on 18/10/19
You couldn’t buy a ticket for the centenary meal on Monday so no idea why you are saying it was not sold out.
posted on 18/10/19
kebab, because they invited loads of press after realising they had spare tickets.
posted on 18/10/19
Rad type of guy who if double jointed in the the back, he wouldn’t leave the house.
All about him
posted on 18/10/19
What worries me is running the club as if we have PL turnover, the wages being offered, the 15 million purchase of Costa which is non negotiable etc IF we don’t go up, we could well be in deep do do, it’s a huge gamble and if it doesn’t come off.....
posted on 18/10/19
AR volunteered wages figure of 40 mill in his interview, not costs, wages.
He’s refused to answer press questions on this subsequently, he’s either made another public gaffe or we are in massive financial trouble.
posted on 18/10/19
Elsbels my thoughts exactly .The broblem is Bates and Cellino were honest about being crooked made no secret about it but Radrizzani is crooked about being honest sneaky is the word I'd use.Where is the 25plus million he got for all those players he sold.
posted on 18/10/19
comment by The Donn (U15142)
posted 5 minutes ago
Elsbels my thoughts exactly .The broblem is Bates and Cellino were honest about being crooked made no secret about it but Radrizzani is crooked about being honest sneaky is the word I'd use.Where is the 25plus million he got for all those players he sold.
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Felt like he pocketed the money just before he sells up bext season. Could have brought another few players in with the money made from sold players. If we aint careful, we'll lose Clarke and Nketiah like we did with Saiz and Baker last season, and Ben White is the new Bartley. I wanna like Radz, and I do to an extent, but this chancer approach isn't working, the honeymoon is over, we're 5th when we should be miles out in front, we need to get promoted this season.
posted on 18/10/19
the usual suspects turning a really good, well thought out article into another chance for a moanfest....
....planning to do this to every thread going guys??
oh and by the way...AR owns the club so can do what the hell he likes...if that’s the slower & cheaper way, and doesn’t suit your “AR please spend another £50m a year” expectations, well that’s just the way it is.
posted on 18/10/19
Good article Stevie.... 5 stars from me
posted on 18/10/19
5 from me
posted on 18/10/19
...and from me!
posted on 18/10/19
comment by salonika73 (U4688)
posted 2 hours, 32 minutes ago
the usual suspects turning a really good, well thought out article into another chance for a moanfest....
....planning to do this to every thread going guys??
oh and by the way...AR owns the club so can do what the hell he likes...if that’s the slower & cheaper way, and doesn’t suit your “AR please spend another £50m a year” expectations, well that’s just the way it is.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who said anything about spending 50 mil?
If we'd have spent 5 mil we'd have gone up last season.
posted on 18/10/19
If we'd have spent 5 mil we'd have gone up last season.
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Or maybe we wouldn’t. Then you’d say we should have spent £10m and if that’s not enough, more and more.
Or maybe we would have...but that’s AR’s call whether he wants to spend that £5m
...when was the last time you gambled £5m quid??
posted on 18/10/19
comment by NJS (U8272)
posted 11 hours, 39 minutes ago
Excellent article, well written Steve, lots of good
sentiment and thought gone into that article.
5 stars!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Thank you
posted on 18/10/19
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 11 hours, 5 minutes ago
You're combining 2 specific issues here, the centenary celebrations and assessment of AR in general.
The Centenary should be a chance to reflect on our heritage, look forward to the future and recognise all involved, staff, players, fans and community.
I would have expected some great offers for ST holders, so memorable merchandise, some relevant friendlies, some meeting player events.
We've kind of had that, but not in way I was hoping.
We've been given chance to buy some more expensive stones, we've had numerous different kits unveiled, events to meet players but at very high prices....the whole theme that runs through this is really milking the fan base and putting a lot of stuff beyond their financial reach. Great for corporate sponsors, but not for the majority of fans.
The Centenary shirt is a great example. Many were waiting for it after the too radical departure of the pink kit. The Centenary shirt has again missed the spot in a lot of people's eyes, which again raises the question of how in tune with the fans the club really is. Change that shirt to have gold LUFC script and everything changes. But, by producing such limited numbers, it's not for most fans, its just for corporates and the reaction online and the stupid bids on Ebay of 60k for a shirt show how a lot of fans feel about this.
Have just heard this morning about AR yesterday and how a lot of people were not happy about him getting his name on plaque, calling it 'my club', including Eleven Sports in the dream picture of Leeds players, and then stopping every attendee for picture with centenary shirt.
AR has repeatedly been asked about whether 11 sports are paying anything for the fact that their name is all over internal backboard for press, but he refuses to answer.
The sentiment towards AR is shifting, and people who deal with him do not trust him.
The conversation also covered AR's interview with Times and AR's refusal to give anyone else any time regarding questions on his quotes, specifically that the salary bill was now 40 mill (not costs, but salary bill).
I was positive about AR when he took over but there were questions then, but a hell of a lot more questions now about what is going on and you could write an article about him, remove his name and be forgiven for thinking it was an article about publicity Pete.
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I take on board your comments but this club is still progressing.....
posted on 18/10/19
comment by Shaun M - I can't see me loving nobody but Leeds! (U9955)
posted 5 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by The Donn (U15142)
posted 5 minutes ago
Elsbels my thoughts exactly .The broblem is Bates and Cellino were honest about being crooked made no secret about it but Radrizzani is crooked about being honest sneaky is the word I'd use.Where is the 25plus million he got for all those players he sold.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Felt like he pocketed the money just before he sells up bext season. Could have brought another few players in with the money made from sold players. If we aint careful, we'll lose Clarke and Nketiah like we did with Saiz and Baker last season, and Ben White is the new Bartley. I wanna like Radz, and I do to an extent, but this chancer approach isn't working, the honeymoon is over, we're 5th when we should be miles out in front, we need to get promoted this season.
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Do we not think some of the responsibility of our league position rests with Bielsa and the players?
posted on 18/10/19
comment by The Spanish Italians (U21595)
posted 5 hours, 11 minutes ago
Good article Stevie.... 5 stars from me
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Thank you!
posted on 18/10/19
comment by Kebablegs (U17699)
posted 3 hours, 49 minutes ago
5 from me
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Cheers!!
posted on 18/10/19
comment by Stoopo (U4707)
posted 3 hours, 12 minutes ago
...and from me!
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posted on 18/10/19
Enjoyed that and all the other constructive comments, a worthy 5
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