Ozil needs a midfield of Fabinho, Henderson and Gini to do his magic in the final third without worrying about losing the ball and tracking back.
He would do well in a City midfield which push their midfield two to play in the half space in the attacking zone and their fullbacks play as inverted midfielders.
That must be one of the best assist's of all time.
———
Bloody hell.
comment by The Mane Man (U19731)
posted 2 minutes ago
Ozil needs a midfield of Fabinho, Henderson and Gini to do his magic in the final third without worrying about losing the ball and tracking back.
He would do well in a City midfield which push their midfield two to play in the half space in the attacking zone and their fullbacks play as inverted midfielders.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Realistically this is how we should play with Auba & Pepe coming in from the flanks, Bellerin & Tierney flying past them and the two DMs covering them.
comment by TBaggerin (U11806)
posted 58 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Pineapple Chunks (U1449)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Pineapple Chunks (U1449)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
It was a touch of quality, he had a few last night, his speed of thought is top notch
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Unlike his work rate and team ethic
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Maybe, maybe he’s another Pogba, Martial, capable of the sublime but with a couldn’t care less attitude
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And you want him in your 1st 11...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If he's the only one, we can accomodate him, especially as no-one else can do what he does.
We shouldn't be expecting him to play at AM in the style of Park-Yi-Sung, but so long as he can hold the correct positions off the ball then he can contribute defensively too, it just needs to be coached.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He's been instructed what he needs to do by Emery & his coaching staff - the fact that he still fails to do it is because of his arrogant attitude - it's called refusal and the reason why he was dropped.
He's 31 years old, he's not going to change now, especially with the stubborn attitude.
comment by You Can't Buy Class (U12019)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by TBaggerin (U11806)
posted 58 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Pineapple Chunks (U1449)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Pineapple Chunks (U1449)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
It was a touch of quality, he had a few last night, his speed of thought is top notch
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Unlike his work rate and team ethic
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Maybe, maybe he’s another Pogba, Martial, capable of the sublime but with a couldn’t care less attitude
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And you want him in your 1st 11...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If he's the only one, we can accomodate him, especially as no-one else can do what he does.
We shouldn't be expecting him to play at AM in the style of Park-Yi-Sung, but so long as he can hold the correct positions off the ball then he can contribute defensively too, it just needs to be coached.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He's been instructed what he needs to do by Emery & his coaching staff - the fact that he still fails to do it is because of his arrogant attitude - it's called refusal and the reason why he was dropped.
He's 31 years old, he's not going to change now, especially with the stubborn attitude.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How do you know that? Lots of rumblings coming out of the club at the moment are stating that players are becoming frustrated at the lack of direction they're being given.
You don't think players have 1 to 1's with the manager/coaching staff after each performance to analyse what went wrong/what they need to do differently? It's a business where team performance is largely down to individual performances... Even at chitty offices you normally have a weekly 1 to 1 with a Manager.
It's common knowledge that Emery spends a lot of time using video-analysis etc.
That doesn't mean he's communicating what's expected clearly and concisely though.
With this rift I certainly think there's blame on both sides, but I've seen enough from Ozil in the past to suggest he can still be a top CAM for us. I haven't seen anything from Emery that suggests that he can be a top manager for us unfortunately.
For the record, I along with all of the rest of the Ozil-Non Believers here I'm sure would love for Ozil to become the player that we all know he could become if he matched the work rate of his teammates and could grow a pair and actually try and tackle a bit more regularly. We are just resigned to the fact that this is never going to happen because we've seen no change in that regard since he joined the club in what was it now, 2015?
comment by TBaggerin (U11806)
posted 57 seconds ago
That doesn't mean he's communicating what's expected clearly and concisely though.
With this rift I certainly think there's blame on both sides, but I've seen enough from Ozil in the past to suggest he can still be a top CAM for us. I haven't seen anything from Emery that suggests that he can be a top manager for us unfortunately.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I just don't think:
"Work harder" and/or "help your teammates press" can really be confused or misinterpreted.
Ozil even in poor form is much better than Ceballos or Toreira as an attacking mid in this Arsenal team.
comment by You Can't Buy Class (U12019)
posted 57 minutes ago
comment by TBaggerin (U11806)
posted 57 seconds ago
That doesn't mean he's communicating what's expected clearly and concisely though.
With this rift I certainly think there's blame on both sides, but I've seen enough from Ozil in the past to suggest he can still be a top CAM for us. I haven't seen anything from Emery that suggests that he can be a top manager for us unfortunately.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I just don't think:
"Work harder" and/or "help your teammates press" can really be confused or misinterpreted.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah but if I go into work and I'm not given a clear and defined role, apart from 'work hard' I may put that energy into the wrong thing.
Similarly it's pretty hard to put together a really cohesive press, otherwise everyone would do it. Doesn't seem like Emery wants to or is capable.
You're not wrong there and you are more than likely correct about Emery & his staff failing to communicate effectively with many of the players but in the case of an individual not following directions which are set for the whole team when everyone else manages to that's not relevant to Ozil.
Like I say, blame on both sides. Ozil clearly wasn't good enough before his expulsion from the team, but since then Emery hasn't been good enough at building a cohesive team to account for not having Ozil.
They both need to put aside their differences, work together and put the club before any ego and then everyone will benefit. We'll see.
I'd actually say that Emery hasn't been good enough at building a team to account for not having Ramsey.
Since Ramsey left Emery has failed to fill that more creative void in midfield because he knows Ozil is not the answer with the tactics he wants to play. Ramsey was more suited to Emery's tactics than Ozil is. Whilst his best through ball / killer pass is not as good as Ozil's best he did provide pretty much our only goals from midfield, Ozil doesn't score many as well as some assists/work-rate and more defensively than Ozil can too.
It's also why our best performances last season were often when Ramsey was playing.
comment by You Can't Buy Class (U12019)
posted 9 minutes ago
I'd actually say that Emery hasn't been good enough at building a team to account for not having Ramsey.
Since Ramsey left Emery has failed to fill that more creative void in midfield because he knows Ozil is not the answer with the tactics he wants to play. Ramsey was more suited to Emery's tactics than Ozil is. Whilst his best through ball / killer pass is not as good as Ozil's best he did provide pretty much our only goals from midfield, Ozil doesn't score many as well as some assists/work-rate and more defensively than Ozil can too.
It's also why our best performances last season were often when Ramsey was playing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would agree with this but also add that it's probably partly down to the fact that Xhaka is a bit of a passenger too, but he's number 1 on Emery's teamsheet. Ramsey's energy meant he could be creative and also solid in the midfield, Ozil isn't that kinda player.
comment by TBaggerin (U11806)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by You Can't Buy Class (U12019)
posted 9 minutes ago
I'd actually say that Emery hasn't been good enough at building a team to account for not having Ramsey.
Since Ramsey left Emery has failed to fill that more creative void in midfield because he knows Ozil is not the answer with the tactics he wants to play. Ramsey was more suited to Emery's tactics than Ozil is. Whilst his best through ball / killer pass is not as good as Ozil's best he did provide pretty much our only goals from midfield, Ozil doesn't score many as well as some assists/work-rate and more defensively than Ozil can too.
It's also why our best performances last season were often when Ramsey was playing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would agree with this but also add that it's probably partly down to the fact that Xhaka is a bit of a passenger too, but he's number 1 on Emery's teamsheet. Ramsey's energy meant he could be creative and also solid in the midfield, Ozil isn't that kinda player.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Whilst Xhaka is not Ozil-level of passenger defensively he does too often do things which are equally bad like losing possession cheaply and giving penalties/dangerous free-kicks away that cost us time and time again. Sometimes he can be very pedestrian with his defensive duties/closing down as well, I don't think that is helped by his severe lack of acceleration/pace in general either.
This from someone who has just publicly stated that he always gives 100% on the pitch and off of it. I guess he's giving all that a limited football player with moderate intelligence can give, of course he loves the club, despite our recent failings it's still beyond the level of any club he should ever have managed to reach.
Problem is you can’t really justify not playing Ozil, because he’s a defensive liability, all the while picking Xhaka week in week out. Emery’s squad management has been terrible.
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 44 minutes ago
Problem is you can’t really justify not playing Ozil, because he’s a defensive liability, all the while picking Xhaka week in week out. Emery’s squad management has been terrible.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Great comment.
That's basically it, Emery has no argument while Xhaka who offers nothing defensively or offensively is playing every week. At least with Ozil you get some good games
After all these years some people are realising the true worth of Ozil. Gotta laugh!!
comment by Tyke (U9181)
posted 13 minutes ago
After all these years some people are realising the true worth of Ozil. Gotta laugh!!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He had gone off the boil before Emery and has largely been poor under him, that said he was once a brilliant player. On top of that there are levels of poor performance and Xhaka has been considerably worse.
It's likely Ozil will need to leave on order for us to properly progress though, his wages mean he'll always be a problem when we are negotiating with other players
Sign in if you want to comment
SHEER CLASS
Page 2 of 2
posted on 31/10/19
Ozil needs a midfield of Fabinho, Henderson and Gini to do his magic in the final third without worrying about losing the ball and tracking back.
He would do well in a City midfield which push their midfield two to play in the half space in the attacking zone and their fullbacks play as inverted midfielders.
posted on 31/10/19
That must be one of the best assist's of all time.
———
Bloody hell.
posted on 31/10/19
comment by The Mane Man (U19731)
posted 2 minutes ago
Ozil needs a midfield of Fabinho, Henderson and Gini to do his magic in the final third without worrying about losing the ball and tracking back.
He would do well in a City midfield which push their midfield two to play in the half space in the attacking zone and their fullbacks play as inverted midfielders.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Realistically this is how we should play with Auba & Pepe coming in from the flanks, Bellerin & Tierney flying past them and the two DMs covering them.
posted on 31/10/19
comment by TBaggerin (U11806)
posted 58 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Pineapple Chunks (U1449)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Pineapple Chunks (U1449)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
It was a touch of quality, he had a few last night, his speed of thought is top notch
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Unlike his work rate and team ethic
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Maybe, maybe he’s another Pogba, Martial, capable of the sublime but with a couldn’t care less attitude
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And you want him in your 1st 11...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If he's the only one, we can accomodate him, especially as no-one else can do what he does.
We shouldn't be expecting him to play at AM in the style of Park-Yi-Sung, but so long as he can hold the correct positions off the ball then he can contribute defensively too, it just needs to be coached.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He's been instructed what he needs to do by Emery & his coaching staff - the fact that he still fails to do it is because of his arrogant attitude - it's called refusal and the reason why he was dropped.
He's 31 years old, he's not going to change now, especially with the stubborn attitude.
posted on 31/10/19
comment by You Can't Buy Class (U12019)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by TBaggerin (U11806)
posted 58 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Pineapple Chunks (U1449)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Pineapple Chunks (U1449)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
It was a touch of quality, he had a few last night, his speed of thought is top notch
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Unlike his work rate and team ethic
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Maybe, maybe he’s another Pogba, Martial, capable of the sublime but with a couldn’t care less attitude
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And you want him in your 1st 11...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If he's the only one, we can accomodate him, especially as no-one else can do what he does.
We shouldn't be expecting him to play at AM in the style of Park-Yi-Sung, but so long as he can hold the correct positions off the ball then he can contribute defensively too, it just needs to be coached.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He's been instructed what he needs to do by Emery & his coaching staff - the fact that he still fails to do it is because of his arrogant attitude - it's called refusal and the reason why he was dropped.
He's 31 years old, he's not going to change now, especially with the stubborn attitude.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How do you know that? Lots of rumblings coming out of the club at the moment are stating that players are becoming frustrated at the lack of direction they're being given.
posted on 31/10/19
You don't think players have 1 to 1's with the manager/coaching staff after each performance to analyse what went wrong/what they need to do differently? It's a business where team performance is largely down to individual performances... Even at chitty offices you normally have a weekly 1 to 1 with a Manager.
It's common knowledge that Emery spends a lot of time using video-analysis etc.
posted on 31/10/19
That doesn't mean he's communicating what's expected clearly and concisely though.
With this rift I certainly think there's blame on both sides, but I've seen enough from Ozil in the past to suggest he can still be a top CAM for us. I haven't seen anything from Emery that suggests that he can be a top manager for us unfortunately.
posted on 31/10/19
For the record, I along with all of the rest of the Ozil-Non Believers here I'm sure would love for Ozil to become the player that we all know he could become if he matched the work rate of his teammates and could grow a pair and actually try and tackle a bit more regularly. We are just resigned to the fact that this is never going to happen because we've seen no change in that regard since he joined the club in what was it now, 2015?
posted on 31/10/19
comment by TBaggerin (U11806)
posted 57 seconds ago
That doesn't mean he's communicating what's expected clearly and concisely though.
With this rift I certainly think there's blame on both sides, but I've seen enough from Ozil in the past to suggest he can still be a top CAM for us. I haven't seen anything from Emery that suggests that he can be a top manager for us unfortunately.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I just don't think:
"Work harder" and/or "help your teammates press" can really be confused or misinterpreted.
posted on 31/10/19
Ozil even in poor form is much better than Ceballos or Toreira as an attacking mid in this Arsenal team.
posted on 31/10/19
comment by You Can't Buy Class (U12019)
posted 57 minutes ago
comment by TBaggerin (U11806)
posted 57 seconds ago
That doesn't mean he's communicating what's expected clearly and concisely though.
With this rift I certainly think there's blame on both sides, but I've seen enough from Ozil in the past to suggest he can still be a top CAM for us. I haven't seen anything from Emery that suggests that he can be a top manager for us unfortunately.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I just don't think:
"Work harder" and/or "help your teammates press" can really be confused or misinterpreted.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah but if I go into work and I'm not given a clear and defined role, apart from 'work hard' I may put that energy into the wrong thing.
Similarly it's pretty hard to put together a really cohesive press, otherwise everyone would do it. Doesn't seem like Emery wants to or is capable.
posted on 31/10/19
You're not wrong there and you are more than likely correct about Emery & his staff failing to communicate effectively with many of the players but in the case of an individual not following directions which are set for the whole team when everyone else manages to that's not relevant to Ozil.
posted on 31/10/19
Like I say, blame on both sides. Ozil clearly wasn't good enough before his expulsion from the team, but since then Emery hasn't been good enough at building a cohesive team to account for not having Ozil.
They both need to put aside their differences, work together and put the club before any ego and then everyone will benefit. We'll see.
posted on 31/10/19
I'd actually say that Emery hasn't been good enough at building a team to account for not having Ramsey.
Since Ramsey left Emery has failed to fill that more creative void in midfield because he knows Ozil is not the answer with the tactics he wants to play. Ramsey was more suited to Emery's tactics than Ozil is. Whilst his best through ball / killer pass is not as good as Ozil's best he did provide pretty much our only goals from midfield, Ozil doesn't score many as well as some assists/work-rate and more defensively than Ozil can too.
It's also why our best performances last season were often when Ramsey was playing.
posted on 31/10/19
comment by You Can't Buy Class (U12019)
posted 9 minutes ago
I'd actually say that Emery hasn't been good enough at building a team to account for not having Ramsey.
Since Ramsey left Emery has failed to fill that more creative void in midfield because he knows Ozil is not the answer with the tactics he wants to play. Ramsey was more suited to Emery's tactics than Ozil is. Whilst his best through ball / killer pass is not as good as Ozil's best he did provide pretty much our only goals from midfield, Ozil doesn't score many as well as some assists/work-rate and more defensively than Ozil can too.
It's also why our best performances last season were often when Ramsey was playing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would agree with this but also add that it's probably partly down to the fact that Xhaka is a bit of a passenger too, but he's number 1 on Emery's teamsheet. Ramsey's energy meant he could be creative and also solid in the midfield, Ozil isn't that kinda player.
posted on 31/10/19
comment by TBaggerin (U11806)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by You Can't Buy Class (U12019)
posted 9 minutes ago
I'd actually say that Emery hasn't been good enough at building a team to account for not having Ramsey.
Since Ramsey left Emery has failed to fill that more creative void in midfield because he knows Ozil is not the answer with the tactics he wants to play. Ramsey was more suited to Emery's tactics than Ozil is. Whilst his best through ball / killer pass is not as good as Ozil's best he did provide pretty much our only goals from midfield, Ozil doesn't score many as well as some assists/work-rate and more defensively than Ozil can too.
It's also why our best performances last season were often when Ramsey was playing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would agree with this but also add that it's probably partly down to the fact that Xhaka is a bit of a passenger too, but he's number 1 on Emery's teamsheet. Ramsey's energy meant he could be creative and also solid in the midfield, Ozil isn't that kinda player.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Whilst Xhaka is not Ozil-level of passenger defensively he does too often do things which are equally bad like losing possession cheaply and giving penalties/dangerous free-kicks away that cost us time and time again. Sometimes he can be very pedestrian with his defensive duties/closing down as well, I don't think that is helped by his severe lack of acceleration/pace in general either.
This from someone who has just publicly stated that he always gives 100% on the pitch and off of it. I guess he's giving all that a limited football player with moderate intelligence can give, of course he loves the club, despite our recent failings it's still beyond the level of any club he should ever have managed to reach.
posted on 31/10/19
Problem is you can’t really justify not playing Ozil, because he’s a defensive liability, all the while picking Xhaka week in week out. Emery’s squad management has been terrible.
posted on 1/11/19
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 44 minutes ago
Problem is you can’t really justify not playing Ozil, because he’s a defensive liability, all the while picking Xhaka week in week out. Emery’s squad management has been terrible.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Great comment.
That's basically it, Emery has no argument while Xhaka who offers nothing defensively or offensively is playing every week. At least with Ozil you get some good games
posted on 1/11/19
After all these years some people are realising the true worth of Ozil. Gotta laugh!!
posted on 1/11/19
comment by Tyke (U9181)
posted 13 minutes ago
After all these years some people are realising the true worth of Ozil. Gotta laugh!!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He had gone off the boil before Emery and has largely been poor under him, that said he was once a brilliant player. On top of that there are levels of poor performance and Xhaka has been considerably worse.
It's likely Ozil will need to leave on order for us to properly progress though, his wages mean he'll always be a problem when we are negotiating with other players
Page 2 of 2