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comment by Winston is always right and he has nice balls (U1721)
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comment by Winston (U16525)
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I strongly suspect that AA would have been punished for handball in the World Cup just gone.
Which of course, would have been an absurd decision.
Be interested to hear TOOR’s view on that. Actually, maybe not.
Good game and as you say OP, there was an air of inevitability about it.
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I don't think he would, since it deflected off Silva's hand. The rules were the same in the World Cup just VAR was used differently.
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Not sure about that, the pl have already said they’ve gone further with it. As Silva didn’t score or create a goal scoring opportunity, then it might have been given at the World Cup.
I don’t have an issue with it though.
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No the PL haven't. They didn't bother going that far back as they deemed TAA's ok. Under the new rules you can't give the attacking an advantage from handball situations.
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Yes you can, if it doesn’t lead to a goal or a goal scoring opportunity, I imagine the reason pgmol didn’t mention the Silva handball today was because it didn’t lead to either of those, it led to another handball and so it’s easier to just say they didn’t seem TAAs handball as deliberate.
Read back about when Laportes got given and why the pl had to clarify their interpretation.
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comment by Winston is always right and he has nice balls (U1721)
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comment by Winston (U16525)
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I strongly suspect that AA would have been punished for handball in the World Cup just gone.
Which of course, would have been an absurd decision.
Be interested to hear TOOR’s view on that. Actually, maybe not.
Good game and as you say OP, there was an air of inevitability about it.
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I don't think he would, since it deflected off Silva's hand. The rules were the same in the World Cup just VAR was used differently.
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Convenient.
It would have been given on the basis of his arms being away from his body, and you’d have backed it.
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If TAA was ruled by VAR as foul play, they would have gone a step back to check the previous action and they would've 100% given Silva's handball as a free kick.
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Having read the rule I don’t agree with that at all.
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So you think a goal would've counted if City scored from a pen even though there was handball leading to the pen?
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I think perhaps read the rule.
I think Foden will be the answer too, but it will take a while for him to get up to the levels Silva reached, if ever. We’ve been really blessed with him over the past few years.
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We really have been blessed. There's a handful of players that we've signed since the takeover who have really bought into (pun not intended) what we, as a club, were hoping to achieve. Kompany and Zab (although they were signed just before the takeover), and Silva and Aguero are the standouts.
Just how do you replace such players? It's incredibly difficult to do so and we're seeing it this season with Kompany, and we will miss David Silva once he's gone. No doubt about that whatsoever.
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comment by meltonblue (U10617)
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comment by Winston is always right and he has nice balls (U1721)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
I strongly suspect that AA would have been punished for handball in the World Cup just gone.
Which of course, would have been an absurd decision.
Be interested to hear TOOR’s view on that. Actually, maybe not.
Good game and as you say OP, there was an air of inevitability about it.
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I don't think he would, since it deflected off Silva's hand. The rules were the same in the World Cup just VAR was used differently.
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Not sure about that, the pl have already said they’ve gone further with it. As Silva didn’t score or create a goal scoring opportunity, then it might have been given at the World Cup.
I don’t have an issue with it though.
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No the PL haven't. They didn't bother going that far back as they deemed TAA's ok. Under the new rules you can't give the attacking an advantage from handball situations.
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That’s not what the rule says.
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NEW RULES:
The International Football Association Board (IFAB) has agreed a number of new rules and regulations to come into effect for the upcoming 2019/20 season.
The IFAB is the body that determines the Laws of the Game in football and consists of representatives from world governing body FIFA, as well as the Football Associations of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Together they agree standardised rules for international competition, with annual changes coming into force on 1 July each year.
Handball
Many in the game believe greater clarity is needed for referees when it comes to handballs, therefore the IFAB has re-worded a number of rules.
It stresses that a deliberate handball remains an offence but that the following scenarios will result in a free-kick even if accidental:
if the ball goes into the goal after touching an attacking player’s hand or arm
a player gains control/possession of the ball after it touches their hand/arm and then scores, or creates a goal-scoring opportunity
a ball touches a player’s hand/arm which has made their body unnaturally bigger
the ball touches a player’s hand/arm when it is above their shoulder (unless the player has deliberately played the ball which then touches their hand/arm)
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comment by Winston (U16525)
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I strongly suspect that AA would have been punished for handball in the World Cup just gone.
Which of course, would have been an absurd decision.
Be interested to hear TOOR’s view on that. Actually, maybe not.
Good game and as you say OP, there was an air of inevitability about it.
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I don't think he would, since it deflected off Silva's hand. The rules were the same in the World Cup just VAR was used differently.
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Convenient.
It would have been given on the basis of his arms being away from his body, and you’d have backed it.
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No it wouldn't as there was a deflection. Not to mention the deflection was actually off the hand of the opposition player. Without that however I'd have given handball due to where his arm was.
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And that is yet more evidence that you haven’t got a clue.
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Nope. I just go by the actual laws which the PL clarified before the season began.
If you want to learn something you can read the part where they say deflections off the opposition will be taken into account. Therefore no handball in my opinion. If yours differs fine.
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comment by {honestlivpool~five~times} 👽 🐎 #worldpeace (U1661)
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comment by meltonblue (U10617)
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comment by Winston is always right and he has nice balls (U1721)
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comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
I strongly suspect that AA would have been punished for handball in the World Cup just gone.
Which of course, would have been an absurd decision.
Be interested to hear TOOR’s view on that. Actually, maybe not.
Good game and as you say OP, there was an air of inevitability about it.
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I don't think he would, since it deflected off Silva's hand. The rules were the same in the World Cup just VAR was used differently.
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Not sure about that, the pl have already said they’ve gone further with it. As Silva didn’t score or create a goal scoring opportunity, then it might have been given at the World Cup.
I don’t have an issue with it though.
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No the PL haven't. They didn't bother going that far back as they deemed TAA's ok. Under the new rules you can't give the attacking an advantage from handball situations.
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Yes you can, if it doesn’t lead to a goal or a goal scoring opportunity, I imagine the reason pgmol didn’t mention the Silva handball today was because it didn’t lead to either of those, it led to another handball and so it’s easier to just say they didn’t seem TAAs handball as deliberate.
Read back about when Laportes got given and why the pl had to clarify their interpretation.
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A pen is a goalscoring opportunity????
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comment by Winston is always right and he has nice balls (U1721)
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comment by Winston (U16525)
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I strongly suspect that AA would have been punished for handball in the World Cup just gone.
Which of course, would have been an absurd decision.
Be interested to hear TOOR’s view on that. Actually, maybe not.
Good game and as you say OP, there was an air of inevitability about it.
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I don't think he would, since it deflected off Silva's hand. The rules were the same in the World Cup just VAR was used differently.
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Not sure about that, the pl have already said they’ve gone further with it. As Silva didn’t score or create a goal scoring opportunity, then it might have been given at the World Cup.
I don’t have an issue with it though.
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No the PL haven't. They didn't bother going that far back as they deemed TAA's ok. Under the new rules you can't give the attacking an advantage from handball situations.
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Yes you can, if it doesn’t lead to a goal or a goal scoring opportunity, I imagine the reason pgmol didn’t mention the Silva handball today was because it didn’t lead to either of those, it led to another handball and so it’s easier to just say they didn’t seem TAAs handball as deliberate.
Read back about when Laportes got given and why the pl had to clarify their interpretation.
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Sorry, just to add the other difference in interpretation in the pl and others is around “gains control/possession and then...”
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comment by meltonblue (U10617)
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comment by Winston is always right and he has nice balls (U1721)
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comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
I strongly suspect that AA would have been punished for handball in the World Cup just gone.
Which of course, would have been an absurd decision.
Be interested to hear TOOR’s view on that. Actually, maybe not.
Good game and as you say OP, there was an air of inevitability about it.
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I don't think he would, since it deflected off Silva's hand. The rules were the same in the World Cup just VAR was used differently.
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Not sure about that, the pl have already said they’ve gone further with it. As Silva didn’t score or create a goal scoring opportunity, then it might have been given at the World Cup.
I don’t have an issue with it though.
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No the PL haven't. They didn't bother going that far back as they deemed TAA's ok. Under the new rules you can't give the attacking an advantage from handball situations.
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Yes you can, if it doesn’t lead to a goal or a goal scoring opportunity, I imagine the reason pgmol didn’t mention the Silva handball today was because it didn’t lead to either of those, it led to another handball and so it’s easier to just say they didn’t seem TAAs handball as deliberate.
Read back about when Laportes got given and why the pl had to clarify their interpretation.
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A pen is a goalscoring opportunity????
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In a new phase of play. That’s why it gets messy and why pgmol didn’t mention Silvas handball.
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comment by Winston is always right and he has nice balls (U1721)
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comment by Winston (U16525)
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I strongly suspect that AA would have been punished for handball in the World Cup just gone.
Which of course, would have been an absurd decision.
Be interested to hear TOOR’s view on that. Actually, maybe not.
Good game and as you say OP, there was an air of inevitability about it.
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I don't think he would, since it deflected off Silva's hand. The rules were the same in the World Cup just VAR was used differently.
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Convenient.
It would have been given on the basis of his arms being away from his body, and you’d have backed it.
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No it wouldn't as there was a deflection. Not to mention the deflection was actually off the hand of the opposition player. Without that however I'd have given handball due to where his arm was.
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And that is yet more evidence that you haven’t got a clue.
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Nope. I just go by the actual laws which the PL clarified before the season began.
If you want to learn something you can read the part where they say deflections off the opposition will be taken into account. Therefore no handball in my opinion. If yours differs fine.
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No you don’t.
You invent your own version of them based on an incorrect interpretation and then pretend it’s a fact. You’re clueless.
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comment by meltonblue (U10617)
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comment by Winston is always right and he has nice balls (U1721)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
I strongly suspect that AA would have been punished for handball in the World Cup just gone.
Which of course, would have been an absurd decision.
Be interested to hear TOOR’s view on that. Actually, maybe not.
Good game and as you say OP, there was an air of inevitability about it.
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I don't think he would, since it deflected off Silva's hand. The rules were the same in the World Cup just VAR was used differently.
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Not sure about that, the pl have already said they’ve gone further with it. As Silva didn’t score or create a goal scoring opportunity, then it might have been given at the World Cup.
I don’t have an issue with it though.
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No the PL haven't. They didn't bother going that far back as they deemed TAA's ok. Under the new rules you can't give the attacking an advantage from handball situations.
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That’s not what the rule says.
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NEW RULES:
The International Football Association Board (IFAB) has agreed a number of new rules and regulations to come into effect for the upcoming 2019/20 season.
The IFAB is the body that determines the Laws of the Game in football and consists of representatives from world governing body FIFA, as well as the Football Associations of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Together they agree standardised rules for international competition, with annual changes coming into force on 1 July each year.
Handball
Many in the game believe greater clarity is needed for referees when it comes to handballs, therefore the IFAB has re-worded a number of rules.
It stresses that a deliberate handball remains an offence but that the following scenarios will result in a free-kick even if accidental:
if the ball goes into the goal after touching an attacking player’s hand or arm
a player gains control/possession of the ball after it touches their hand/arm and then scores, or creates a goal-scoring opportunity
a ball touches a player’s hand/arm which has made their body unnaturally bigger
the ball touches a player’s hand/arm when it is above their shoulder (unless the player has deliberately played the ball which then touches their hand/arm)
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Thanks providing proof that Melton and I are right!
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comment by Winston is always right and he has nice balls (U1721)
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comment by Winston is always right and he has nice balls (U1721)
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comment by Winston (U16525)
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I strongly suspect that AA would have been punished for handball in the World Cup just gone.
Which of course, would have been an absurd decision.
Be interested to hear TOOR’s view on that. Actually, maybe not.
Good game and as you say OP, there was an air of inevitability about it.
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I don't think he would, since it deflected off Silva's hand. The rules were the same in the World Cup just VAR was used differently.
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Convenient.
It would have been given on the basis of his arms being away from his body, and you’d have backed it.
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No it wouldn't as there was a deflection. Not to mention the deflection was actually off the hand of the opposition player. Without that however I'd have given handball due to where his arm was.
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And that is yet more evidence that you haven’t got a clue.
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Nope. I just go by the actual laws which the PL clarified before the season began.
If you want to learn something you can read the part where they say deflections off the opposition will be taken into account. Therefore no handball in my opinion. If yours differs fine.
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No you don’t.
You invent your own version of them based on an incorrect interpretation and then pretend it’s a fact. You’re clueless.
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Nope. I read the law and then use it to form my opinion, which I've done here, which the referee did, the VAR did etc. We all agreed it wasn't a penalty, possibly for different reasons as there are a few potential reasons.
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comment by meltonblue (U10617)
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comment by Winston is always right and he has nice balls (U1721)
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comment by Winston (U16525)
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I strongly suspect that AA would have been punished for handball in the World Cup just gone.
Which of course, would have been an absurd decision.
Be interested to hear TOOR’s view on that. Actually, maybe not.
Good game and as you say OP, there was an air of inevitability about it.
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I don't think he would, since it deflected off Silva's hand. The rules were the same in the World Cup just VAR was used differently.
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Not sure about that, the pl have already said they’ve gone further with it. As Silva didn’t score or create a goal scoring opportunity, then it might have been given at the World Cup.
I don’t have an issue with it though.
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No the PL haven't. They didn't bother going that far back as they deemed TAA's ok. Under the new rules you can't give the attacking an advantage from handball situations.
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That’s not what the rule says.
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NEW RULES:
The International Football Association Board (IFAB) has agreed a number of new rules and regulations to come into effect for the upcoming 2019/20 season.
The IFAB is the body that determines the Laws of the Game in football and consists of representatives from world governing body FIFA, as well as the Football Associations of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Together they agree standardised rules for international competition, with annual changes coming into force on 1 July each year.
Handball
Many in the game believe greater clarity is needed for referees when it comes to handballs, therefore the IFAB has re-worded a number of rules.
It stresses that a deliberate handball remains an offence but that the following scenarios will result in a free-kick even if accidental:
if the ball goes into the goal after touching an attacking player’s hand or arm
a player gains control/possession of the ball after it touches their hand/arm and then scores, or creates a goal-scoring opportunity
a ball touches a player’s hand/arm which has made their body unnaturally bigger
the ball touches a player’s hand/arm when it is above their shoulder (unless the player has deliberately played the ball which then touches their hand/arm)
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Thanks providing proof that Melton and I are right!
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You came to that conclusion after reading that? Wow.
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comment by Winston is always right and he has nice balls (U1721)
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comment by Winston (U16525)
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I strongly suspect that AA would have been punished for handball in the World Cup just gone.
Which of course, would have been an absurd decision.
Be interested to hear TOOR’s view on that. Actually, maybe not.
Good game and as you say OP, there was an air of inevitability about it.
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I don't think he would, since it deflected off Silva's hand. The rules were the same in the World Cup just VAR was used differently.
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Not sure about that, the pl have already said they’ve gone further with it. As Silva didn’t score or create a goal scoring opportunity, then it might have been given at the World Cup.
I don’t have an issue with it though.
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No the PL haven't. They didn't bother going that far back as they deemed TAA's ok. Under the new rules you can't give the attacking an advantage from handball situations.
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Yes you can, if it doesn’t lead to a goal or a goal scoring opportunity, I imagine the reason pgmol didn’t mention the Silva handball today was because it didn’t lead to either of those, it led to another handball and so it’s easier to just say they didn’t seem TAAs handball as deliberate.
Read back about when Laportes got given and why the pl had to clarify their interpretation.
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A pen is a goalscoring opportunity????
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In a new phase of play. That’s why it gets messy and why pgmol didn’t mention Silvas handball.
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But the pen is a direct result of Silva's handball therefore same phase of play? It is a clear and simple rule IMO. I think we're making it way too complicated here.
The attacking team can't gain an advantage from a handball situation regardless of whether intentional or not.
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comment by Winston (U16525)
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I strongly suspect that AA would have been punished for handball in the World Cup just gone.
Which of course, would have been an absurd decision.
Be interested to hear TOOR’s view on that. Actually, maybe not.
Good game and as you say OP, there was an air of inevitability about it.
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I don't think he would, since it deflected off Silva's hand. The rules were the same in the World Cup just VAR was used differently.
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Convenient.
It would have been given on the basis of his arms being away from his body, and you’d have backed it.
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No it wouldn't as there was a deflection. Not to mention the deflection was actually off the hand of the opposition player. Without that however I'd have given handball due to where his arm was.
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And that is yet more evidence that you haven’t got a clue.
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Nope. I just go by the actual laws which the PL clarified before the season began.
If you want to learn something you can read the part where they say deflections off the opposition will be taken into account. Therefore no handball in my opinion. If yours differs fine.
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No you don’t.
You invent your own version of them based on an incorrect interpretation and then pretend it’s a fact. You’re clueless.
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Nope. I read the law and then use it to form my opinion, which I've done here, which the referee did, the VAR did etc. We all agreed it wasn't a penalty, possibly for different reasons as there are a few potential reasons.
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But I’m talking about the part where you’d say it would have been a handball if that deflection hadn’t have happened.
That’s utter crap to anyone who understands football.
You think it’s possible to play football with your arms pinned to your side. As I said, clueless.
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comment by Winston is always right and he has nice balls (U1721)
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comment by Winston (U16525)
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I strongly suspect that AA would have been punished for handball in the World Cup just gone.
Which of course, would have been an absurd decision.
Be interested to hear TOOR’s view on that. Actually, maybe not.
Good game and as you say OP, there was an air of inevitability about it.
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I don't think he would, since it deflected off Silva's hand. The rules were the same in the World Cup just VAR was used differently.
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Not sure about that, the pl have already said they’ve gone further with it. As Silva didn’t score or create a goal scoring opportunity, then it might have been given at the World Cup.
I don’t have an issue with it though.
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No the PL haven't. They didn't bother going that far back as they deemed TAA's ok. Under the new rules you can't give the attacking an advantage from handball situations.
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That’s not what the rule says.
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NEW RULES:
The International Football Association Board (IFAB) has agreed a number of new rules and regulations to come into effect for the upcoming 2019/20 season.
The IFAB is the body that determines the Laws of the Game in football and consists of representatives from world governing body FIFA, as well as the Football Associations of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Together they agree standardised rules for international competition, with annual changes coming into force on 1 July each year.
Handball
Many in the game believe greater clarity is needed for referees when it comes to handballs, therefore the IFAB has re-worded a number of rules.
It stresses that a deliberate handball remains an offence but that the following scenarios will result in a free-kick even if accidental:
if the ball goes into the goal after touching an attacking player’s hand or arm
a player gains control/possession of the ball after it touches their hand/arm and then scores, or creates a goal-scoring opportunity
a ball touches a player’s hand/arm which has made their body unnaturally bigger
the ball touches a player’s hand/arm when it is above their shoulder (unless the player has deliberately played the ball which then touches their hand/arm)
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Thanks providing proof that Melton and I are right!
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Keep saying that to yourself. It's quite clear and simple.
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comment by Winston is always right and he has nice balls (U1721)
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comment by Winston (U16525)
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I strongly suspect that AA would have been punished for handball in the World Cup just gone.
Which of course, would have been an absurd decision.
Be interested to hear TOOR’s view on that. Actually, maybe not.
Good game and as you say OP, there was an air of inevitability about it.
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I don't think he would, since it deflected off Silva's hand. The rules were the same in the World Cup just VAR was used differently.
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Not sure about that, the pl have already said they’ve gone further with it. As Silva didn’t score or create a goal scoring opportunity, then it might have been given at the World Cup.
I don’t have an issue with it though.
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No the PL haven't. They didn't bother going that far back as they deemed TAA's ok. Under the new rules you can't give the attacking an advantage from handball situations.
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That’s not what the rule says.
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NEW RULES:
The International Football Association Board (IFAB) has agreed a number of new rules and regulations to come into effect for the upcoming 2019/20 season.
The IFAB is the body that determines the Laws of the Game in football and consists of representatives from world governing body FIFA, as well as the Football Associations of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Together they agree standardised rules for international competition, with annual changes coming into force on 1 July each year.
Handball
Many in the game believe greater clarity is needed for referees when it comes to handballs, therefore the IFAB has re-worded a number of rules.
It stresses that a deliberate handball remains an offence but that the following scenarios will result in a free-kick even if accidental:
if the ball goes into the goal after touching an attacking player’s hand or arm
a player gains control/possession of the ball after it touches their hand/arm and then scores, or creates a goal-scoring opportunity
a ball touches a player’s hand/arm which has made their body unnaturally bigger
the ball touches a player’s hand/arm when it is above their shoulder (unless the player has deliberately played the ball which then touches their hand/arm)
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Thanks providing proof that Melton and I are right!
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You came to that conclusion after reading that? Wow.
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Wow indeed.
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I strongly suspect that AA would have been punished for handball in the World Cup just gone.
Which of course, would have been an absurd decision.
Be interested to hear TOOR’s view on that. Actually, maybe not.
Good game and as you say OP, there was an air of inevitability about it.
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I don't think he would, since it deflected off Silva's hand. The rules were the same in the World Cup just VAR was used differently.
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Not sure about that, the pl have already said they’ve gone further with it. As Silva didn’t score or create a goal scoring opportunity, then it might have been given at the World Cup.
I don’t have an issue with it though.
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No the PL haven't. They didn't bother going that far back as they deemed TAA's ok. Under the new rules you can't give the attacking an advantage from handball situations.
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That’s not what the rule says.
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NEW RULES:
The International Football Association Board (IFAB) has agreed a number of new rules and regulations to come into effect for the upcoming 2019/20 season.
The IFAB is the body that determines the Laws of the Game in football and consists of representatives from world governing body FIFA, as well as the Football Associations of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Together they agree standardised rules for international competition, with annual changes coming into force on 1 July each year.
Handball
Many in the game believe greater clarity is needed for referees when it comes to handballs, therefore the IFAB has re-worded a number of rules.
It stresses that a deliberate handball remains an offence but that the following scenarios will result in a free-kick even if accidental:
if the ball goes into the goal after touching an attacking player’s hand or arm
a player gains control/possession of the ball after it touches their hand/arm and then scores, or creates a goal-scoring opportunity
a ball touches a player’s hand/arm which has made their body unnaturally bigger
the ball touches a player’s hand/arm when it is above their shoulder (unless the player has deliberately played the ball which then touches their hand/arm)
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Thanks providing proof that Melton and I are right!
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Keep saying that to yourself. It's quite clear and simple.
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Why would I keep saying it to myself? I know I’m right. That’s enough.
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posted 3 minutes ago
I strongly suspect that AA would have been punished for handball in the World Cup just gone.
Which of course, would have been an absurd decision.
Be interested to hear TOOR’s view on that. Actually, maybe not.
Good game and as you say OP, there was an air of inevitability about it.
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I don't think he would, since it deflected off Silva's hand. The rules were the same in the World Cup just VAR was used differently.
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Not sure about that, the pl have already said they’ve gone further with it. As Silva didn’t score or create a goal scoring opportunity, then it might have been given at the World Cup.
I don’t have an issue with it though.
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No the PL haven't. They didn't bother going that far back as they deemed TAA's ok. Under the new rules you can't give the attacking an advantage from handball situations.
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Yes you can, if it doesn’t lead to a goal or a goal scoring opportunity, I imagine the reason pgmol didn’t mention the Silva handball today was because it didn’t lead to either of those, it led to another handball and so it’s easier to just say they didn’t seem TAAs handball as deliberate.
Read back about when Laportes got given and why the pl had to clarify their interpretation.
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A pen is a goalscoring opportunity????
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In a new phase of play. That’s why it gets messy and why pgmol didn’t mention Silvas handball.
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But the pen is a direct result of Silva's handball therefore same phase of play? It is a clear and simple rule IMO. I think we're making it way too complicated here.
The attacking team can't gain an advantage from a handball situation regardless of whether intentional or not.
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That isn’t the rule though, silva didn’t gain possession or control from the use of the hand, nor did any of his teammates (which was the justification used for the Laporte one).
I get the argument, but there is a reason pgmol didn’t just say “it wasn’t handball as it hit Silvas first”, because that means they’re adding even more of their own interpretation to it.
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I strongly suspect that AA would have been punished for handball in the World Cup just gone.
Which of course, would have been an absurd decision.
Be interested to hear TOOR’s view on that. Actually, maybe not.
Good game and as you say OP, there was an air of inevitability about it.
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I don't think he would, since it deflected off Silva's hand. The rules were the same in the World Cup just VAR was used differently.
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Not sure about that, the pl have already said they’ve gone further with it. As Silva didn’t score or create a goal scoring opportunity, then it might have been given at the World Cup.
I don’t have an issue with it though.
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No the PL haven't. They didn't bother going that far back as they deemed TAA's ok. Under the new rules you can't give the attacking an advantage from handball situations.
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That’s not what the rule says.
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NEW RULES:
The International Football Association Board (IFAB) has agreed a number of new rules and regulations to come into effect for the upcoming 2019/20 season.
The IFAB is the body that determines the Laws of the Game in football and consists of representatives from world governing body FIFA, as well as the Football Associations of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Together they agree standardised rules for international competition, with annual changes coming into force on 1 July each year.
Handball
Many in the game believe greater clarity is needed for referees when it comes to handballs, therefore the IFAB has re-worded a number of rules.
It stresses that a deliberate handball remains an offence but that the following scenarios will result in a free-kick even if accidental:
if the ball goes into the goal after touching an attacking player’s hand or arm
a player gains control/possession of the ball after it touches their hand/arm and then scores, or creates a goal-scoring opportunity
a ball touches a player’s hand/arm which has made their body unnaturally bigger
the ball touches a player’s hand/arm when it is above their shoulder (unless the player has deliberately played the ball which then touches their hand/arm)
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Thanks providing proof that Melton and I are right!
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You came to that conclusion after reading that? Wow.
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That's what I was wondering as well. Don't know whether he's reading from the same universe??
"But I’m talking about the part where you’d say it would have been a handball if that deflection hadn’t have happened."
Ah, apologies I misunderstood.
For me it would have been, especially considering the new rules about your silhouette making the body bigger. He would have had time to move his arm out of the way in my opinion but the deflection caught him off guard.
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 14 minutes ago
I think Foden will be the answer too, but it will take a while for him to get up to the levels Silva reached, if ever. We’ve been really blessed with him over the past few years.
Said exactly the same about Kompany on a different thread - replacing him is easier said than done. The other thing is the double whammy of playing Fernandinho there and not in midfield. There’s a few games I’d have liked to have seen Rodri and Fernandinho both in midfield, but we haven’t even had the option really yet.
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I fancied him to start today. We need someone in CM who can control attacks in and around the final third, Gundogan, KDB and Rodri are all a bit deeper and we did miss a link to Aguero today. That said Aguero could be still on the pitch at Anfield now and he wouldn’t have been able to score yet.
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posted 39 seconds ago
"But I’m talking about the part where you’d say it would have been a handball if that deflection hadn’t have happened."
Ah, apologies I misunderstood.
For me it would have been, especially considering the new rules about your silhouette making the body bigger. He would have had time to move his arm out of the way in my opinion but the deflection caught him off guard.
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He doesn’t have to move his arm out of the way.
TOOR, if you can’t see that was just a natural position then you’d need your head examined.
As I’ve said before, I’d love you to play a football match and then watch a video back to see where are arms go during the match, as part of an entirely natural movement.
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comment by Winston is always right and he has nice balls (U1721)
posted 39 seconds ago
"But I’m talking about the part where you’d say it would have been a handball if that deflection hadn’t have happened."
Ah, apologies I misunderstood.
For me it would have been, especially considering the new rules about your silhouette making the body bigger. He would have had time to move his arm out of the way in my opinion but the deflection caught him off guard.
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He doesn’t have to move his arm out of the way.
TOOR, if you can’t see that was just a natural position then you’d need your head examined.
As I’ve said before, I’d love you to play a football match and then watch a video back to see where are arms go during the match, as part of an entirely natural movement.
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He does, or he concedes a penalty, had be pretty stupid not to, in that respect.
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comment by Winston is always right and he has nice balls (U1721)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
I strongly suspect that AA would have been punished for handball in the World Cup just gone.
Which of course, would have been an absurd decision.
Be interested to hear TOOR’s view on that. Actually, maybe not.
Good game and as you say OP, there was an air of inevitability about it.
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I don't think he would, since it deflected off Silva's hand. The rules were the same in the World Cup just VAR was used differently.
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Not sure about that, the pl have already said they’ve gone further with it. As Silva didn’t score or create a goal scoring opportunity, then it might have been given at the World Cup.
I don’t have an issue with it though.
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No the PL haven't. They didn't bother going that far back as they deemed TAA's ok. Under the new rules you can't give the attacking an advantage from handball situations.
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Yes you can, if it doesn’t lead to a goal or a goal scoring opportunity, I imagine the reason pgmol didn’t mention the Silva handball today was because it didn’t lead to either of those, it led to another handball and so it’s easier to just say they didn’t seem TAAs handball as deliberate.
Read back about when Laportes got given and why the pl had to clarify their interpretation.
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A pen is a goalscoring opportunity????
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In a new phase of play. That’s why it gets messy and why pgmol didn’t mention Silvas handball.
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But the pen is a direct result of Silva's handball therefore same phase of play? It is a clear and simple rule IMO. I think we're making it way too complicated here.
The attacking team can't gain an advantage from a handball situation regardless of whether intentional or not.
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That isn’t the rule though, silva didn’t gain possession or control from the use of the hand, nor did any of his teammates (which was the justification used for the Laporte one).
I get the argument, but there is a reason pgmol didn’t just say “it wasn’t handball as it hit Silvas first”, because that means they’re adding even more of their own interpretation to it.
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comment by {honestlivpool~five~times} 👽 🐎 #worldpeace (U1661)
posted 4 seconds ago
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posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Winston is always right and he has nice balls (U1721)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
I strongly suspect that AA would have been punished for handball in the World Cup just gone.
Which of course, would have been an absurd decision.
Be interested to hear TOOR’s view on that. Actually, maybe not.
Good game and as you say OP, there was an air of inevitability about it.
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I don't think he would, since it deflected off Silva's hand. The rules were the same in the World Cup just VAR was used differently.
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Not sure about that, the pl have already said they’ve gone further with it. As Silva didn’t score or create a goal scoring opportunity, then it might have been given at the World Cup.
I don’t have an issue with it though.
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No the PL haven't. They didn't bother going that far back as they deemed TAA's ok. Under the new rules you can't give the attacking an advantage from handball situations.
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Yes you can, if it doesn’t lead to a goal or a goal scoring opportunity, I imagine the reason pgmol didn’t mention the Silva handball today was because it didn’t lead to either of those, it led to another handball and so it’s easier to just say they didn’t seem TAAs handball as deliberate.
Read back about when Laportes got given and why the pl had to clarify their interpretation.
posted on 10/11/19
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posted 10 seconds ago
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posted 34 seconds ago
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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Winston is always right and he has nice balls (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
I strongly suspect that AA would have been punished for handball in the World Cup just gone.
Which of course, would have been an absurd decision.
Be interested to hear TOOR’s view on that. Actually, maybe not.
Good game and as you say OP, there was an air of inevitability about it.
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I don't think he would, since it deflected off Silva's hand. The rules were the same in the World Cup just VAR was used differently.
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Convenient.
It would have been given on the basis of his arms being away from his body, and you’d have backed it.
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If TAA was ruled by VAR as foul play, they would have gone a step back to check the previous action and they would've 100% given Silva's handball as a free kick.
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Having read the rule I don’t agree with that at all.
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So you think a goal would've counted if City scored from a pen even though there was handball leading to the pen?
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I think perhaps read the rule.
posted on 10/11/19
I think Foden will be the answer too, but it will take a while for him to get up to the levels Silva reached, if ever. We’ve been really blessed with him over the past few years.
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We really have been blessed. There's a handful of players that we've signed since the takeover who have really bought into (pun not intended) what we, as a club, were hoping to achieve. Kompany and Zab (although they were signed just before the takeover), and Silva and Aguero are the standouts.
Just how do you replace such players? It's incredibly difficult to do so and we're seeing it this season with Kompany, and we will miss David Silva once he's gone. No doubt about that whatsoever.
posted on 10/11/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
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comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Winston is always right and he has nice balls (U1721)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
I strongly suspect that AA would have been punished for handball in the World Cup just gone.
Which of course, would have been an absurd decision.
Be interested to hear TOOR’s view on that. Actually, maybe not.
Good game and as you say OP, there was an air of inevitability about it.
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I don't think he would, since it deflected off Silva's hand. The rules were the same in the World Cup just VAR was used differently.
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Not sure about that, the pl have already said they’ve gone further with it. As Silva didn’t score or create a goal scoring opportunity, then it might have been given at the World Cup.
I don’t have an issue with it though.
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No the PL haven't. They didn't bother going that far back as they deemed TAA's ok. Under the new rules you can't give the attacking an advantage from handball situations.
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That’s not what the rule says.
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NEW RULES:
The International Football Association Board (IFAB) has agreed a number of new rules and regulations to come into effect for the upcoming 2019/20 season.
The IFAB is the body that determines the Laws of the Game in football and consists of representatives from world governing body FIFA, as well as the Football Associations of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Together they agree standardised rules for international competition, with annual changes coming into force on 1 July each year.
Handball
Many in the game believe greater clarity is needed for referees when it comes to handballs, therefore the IFAB has re-worded a number of rules.
It stresses that a deliberate handball remains an offence but that the following scenarios will result in a free-kick even if accidental:
if the ball goes into the goal after touching an attacking player’s hand or arm
a player gains control/possession of the ball after it touches their hand/arm and then scores, or creates a goal-scoring opportunity
a ball touches a player’s hand/arm which has made their body unnaturally bigger
the ball touches a player’s hand/arm when it is above their shoulder (unless the player has deliberately played the ball which then touches their hand/arm)
posted on 10/11/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Winston is always right and he has nice balls (U1721)
posted 16 seconds ago
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
I strongly suspect that AA would have been punished for handball in the World Cup just gone.
Which of course, would have been an absurd decision.
Be interested to hear TOOR’s view on that. Actually, maybe not.
Good game and as you say OP, there was an air of inevitability about it.
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I don't think he would, since it deflected off Silva's hand. The rules were the same in the World Cup just VAR was used differently.
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Convenient.
It would have been given on the basis of his arms being away from his body, and you’d have backed it.
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No it wouldn't as there was a deflection. Not to mention the deflection was actually off the hand of the opposition player. Without that however I'd have given handball due to where his arm was.
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And that is yet more evidence that you haven’t got a clue.
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Nope. I just go by the actual laws which the PL clarified before the season began.
If you want to learn something you can read the part where they say deflections off the opposition will be taken into account. Therefore no handball in my opinion. If yours differs fine.
posted on 10/11/19
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comment by {honestlivpool~five~times} 👽 🐎 #worldpeace (U1661)
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comment by meltonblue (U10617)
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comment by Winston is always right and he has nice balls (U1721)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
I strongly suspect that AA would have been punished for handball in the World Cup just gone.
Which of course, would have been an absurd decision.
Be interested to hear TOOR’s view on that. Actually, maybe not.
Good game and as you say OP, there was an air of inevitability about it.
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I don't think he would, since it deflected off Silva's hand. The rules were the same in the World Cup just VAR was used differently.
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Not sure about that, the pl have already said they’ve gone further with it. As Silva didn’t score or create a goal scoring opportunity, then it might have been given at the World Cup.
I don’t have an issue with it though.
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No the PL haven't. They didn't bother going that far back as they deemed TAA's ok. Under the new rules you can't give the attacking an advantage from handball situations.
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Yes you can, if it doesn’t lead to a goal or a goal scoring opportunity, I imagine the reason pgmol didn’t mention the Silva handball today was because it didn’t lead to either of those, it led to another handball and so it’s easier to just say they didn’t seem TAAs handball as deliberate.
Read back about when Laportes got given and why the pl had to clarify their interpretation.
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A pen is a goalscoring opportunity????
posted on 10/11/19
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 4 seconds ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Winston is always right and he has nice balls (U1721)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
I strongly suspect that AA would have been punished for handball in the World Cup just gone.
Which of course, would have been an absurd decision.
Be interested to hear TOOR’s view on that. Actually, maybe not.
Good game and as you say OP, there was an air of inevitability about it.
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I don't think he would, since it deflected off Silva's hand. The rules were the same in the World Cup just VAR was used differently.
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Not sure about that, the pl have already said they’ve gone further with it. As Silva didn’t score or create a goal scoring opportunity, then it might have been given at the World Cup.
I don’t have an issue with it though.
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No the PL haven't. They didn't bother going that far back as they deemed TAA's ok. Under the new rules you can't give the attacking an advantage from handball situations.
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Yes you can, if it doesn’t lead to a goal or a goal scoring opportunity, I imagine the reason pgmol didn’t mention the Silva handball today was because it didn’t lead to either of those, it led to another handball and so it’s easier to just say they didn’t seem TAAs handball as deliberate.
Read back about when Laportes got given and why the pl had to clarify their interpretation.
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Sorry, just to add the other difference in interpretation in the pl and others is around “gains control/possession and then...”
posted on 10/11/19
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posted 43 seconds ago
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posted 4 seconds ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Winston is always right and he has nice balls (U1721)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
I strongly suspect that AA would have been punished for handball in the World Cup just gone.
Which of course, would have been an absurd decision.
Be interested to hear TOOR’s view on that. Actually, maybe not.
Good game and as you say OP, there was an air of inevitability about it.
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I don't think he would, since it deflected off Silva's hand. The rules were the same in the World Cup just VAR was used differently.
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Not sure about that, the pl have already said they’ve gone further with it. As Silva didn’t score or create a goal scoring opportunity, then it might have been given at the World Cup.
I don’t have an issue with it though.
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No the PL haven't. They didn't bother going that far back as they deemed TAA's ok. Under the new rules you can't give the attacking an advantage from handball situations.
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Yes you can, if it doesn’t lead to a goal or a goal scoring opportunity, I imagine the reason pgmol didn’t mention the Silva handball today was because it didn’t lead to either of those, it led to another handball and so it’s easier to just say they didn’t seem TAAs handball as deliberate.
Read back about when Laportes got given and why the pl had to clarify their interpretation.
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A pen is a goalscoring opportunity????
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In a new phase of play. That’s why it gets messy and why pgmol didn’t mention Silvas handball.
posted on 10/11/19
comment by Winston is always right and he has nice balls (U1721)
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posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston is always right and he has nice balls (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
I strongly suspect that AA would have been punished for handball in the World Cup just gone.
Which of course, would have been an absurd decision.
Be interested to hear TOOR’s view on that. Actually, maybe not.
Good game and as you say OP, there was an air of inevitability about it.
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I don't think he would, since it deflected off Silva's hand. The rules were the same in the World Cup just VAR was used differently.
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Convenient.
It would have been given on the basis of his arms being away from his body, and you’d have backed it.
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No it wouldn't as there was a deflection. Not to mention the deflection was actually off the hand of the opposition player. Without that however I'd have given handball due to where his arm was.
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And that is yet more evidence that you haven’t got a clue.
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Nope. I just go by the actual laws which the PL clarified before the season began.
If you want to learn something you can read the part where they say deflections off the opposition will be taken into account. Therefore no handball in my opinion. If yours differs fine.
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No you don’t.
You invent your own version of them based on an incorrect interpretation and then pretend it’s a fact. You’re clueless.
posted on 10/11/19
comment by {honestlivpool~five~times} 👽 🐎 #worldpeace (U1661)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
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posted 6 seconds ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Winston is always right and he has nice balls (U1721)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
I strongly suspect that AA would have been punished for handball in the World Cup just gone.
Which of course, would have been an absurd decision.
Be interested to hear TOOR’s view on that. Actually, maybe not.
Good game and as you say OP, there was an air of inevitability about it.
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I don't think he would, since it deflected off Silva's hand. The rules were the same in the World Cup just VAR was used differently.
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Not sure about that, the pl have already said they’ve gone further with it. As Silva didn’t score or create a goal scoring opportunity, then it might have been given at the World Cup.
I don’t have an issue with it though.
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No the PL haven't. They didn't bother going that far back as they deemed TAA's ok. Under the new rules you can't give the attacking an advantage from handball situations.
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That’s not what the rule says.
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NEW RULES:
The International Football Association Board (IFAB) has agreed a number of new rules and regulations to come into effect for the upcoming 2019/20 season.
The IFAB is the body that determines the Laws of the Game in football and consists of representatives from world governing body FIFA, as well as the Football Associations of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Together they agree standardised rules for international competition, with annual changes coming into force on 1 July each year.
Handball
Many in the game believe greater clarity is needed for referees when it comes to handballs, therefore the IFAB has re-worded a number of rules.
It stresses that a deliberate handball remains an offence but that the following scenarios will result in a free-kick even if accidental:
if the ball goes into the goal after touching an attacking player’s hand or arm
a player gains control/possession of the ball after it touches their hand/arm and then scores, or creates a goal-scoring opportunity
a ball touches a player’s hand/arm which has made their body unnaturally bigger
the ball touches a player’s hand/arm when it is above their shoulder (unless the player has deliberately played the ball which then touches their hand/arm)
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Thanks providing proof that Melton and I are right!
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I strongly suspect that AA would have been punished for handball in the World Cup just gone.
Which of course, would have been an absurd decision.
Be interested to hear TOOR’s view on that. Actually, maybe not.
Good game and as you say OP, there was an air of inevitability about it.
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I don't think he would, since it deflected off Silva's hand. The rules were the same in the World Cup just VAR was used differently.
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Convenient.
It would have been given on the basis of his arms being away from his body, and you’d have backed it.
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No it wouldn't as there was a deflection. Not to mention the deflection was actually off the hand of the opposition player. Without that however I'd have given handball due to where his arm was.
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And that is yet more evidence that you haven’t got a clue.
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Nope. I just go by the actual laws which the PL clarified before the season began.
If you want to learn something you can read the part where they say deflections off the opposition will be taken into account. Therefore no handball in my opinion. If yours differs fine.
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No you don’t.
You invent your own version of them based on an incorrect interpretation and then pretend it’s a fact. You’re clueless.
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Nope. I read the law and then use it to form my opinion, which I've done here, which the referee did, the VAR did etc. We all agreed it wasn't a penalty, possibly for different reasons as there are a few potential reasons.
posted on 10/11/19
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posted 1 minute ago
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comment by Winston is always right and he has nice balls (U1721)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
I strongly suspect that AA would have been punished for handball in the World Cup just gone.
Which of course, would have been an absurd decision.
Be interested to hear TOOR’s view on that. Actually, maybe not.
Good game and as you say OP, there was an air of inevitability about it.
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I don't think he would, since it deflected off Silva's hand. The rules were the same in the World Cup just VAR was used differently.
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Not sure about that, the pl have already said they’ve gone further with it. As Silva didn’t score or create a goal scoring opportunity, then it might have been given at the World Cup.
I don’t have an issue with it though.
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No the PL haven't. They didn't bother going that far back as they deemed TAA's ok. Under the new rules you can't give the attacking an advantage from handball situations.
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That’s not what the rule says.
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NEW RULES:
The International Football Association Board (IFAB) has agreed a number of new rules and regulations to come into effect for the upcoming 2019/20 season.
The IFAB is the body that determines the Laws of the Game in football and consists of representatives from world governing body FIFA, as well as the Football Associations of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Together they agree standardised rules for international competition, with annual changes coming into force on 1 July each year.
Handball
Many in the game believe greater clarity is needed for referees when it comes to handballs, therefore the IFAB has re-worded a number of rules.
It stresses that a deliberate handball remains an offence but that the following scenarios will result in a free-kick even if accidental:
if the ball goes into the goal after touching an attacking player’s hand or arm
a player gains control/possession of the ball after it touches their hand/arm and then scores, or creates a goal-scoring opportunity
a ball touches a player’s hand/arm which has made their body unnaturally bigger
the ball touches a player’s hand/arm when it is above their shoulder (unless the player has deliberately played the ball which then touches their hand/arm)
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Thanks providing proof that Melton and I are right!
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You came to that conclusion after reading that? Wow.
posted on 10/11/19
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by {honestlivpool~five~times} 👽 🐎 #worldpeace (U1661)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 minute ago
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posted 4 seconds ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Winston is always right and he has nice balls (U1721)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
I strongly suspect that AA would have been punished for handball in the World Cup just gone.
Which of course, would have been an absurd decision.
Be interested to hear TOOR’s view on that. Actually, maybe not.
Good game and as you say OP, there was an air of inevitability about it.
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I don't think he would, since it deflected off Silva's hand. The rules were the same in the World Cup just VAR was used differently.
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Not sure about that, the pl have already said they’ve gone further with it. As Silva didn’t score or create a goal scoring opportunity, then it might have been given at the World Cup.
I don’t have an issue with it though.
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No the PL haven't. They didn't bother going that far back as they deemed TAA's ok. Under the new rules you can't give the attacking an advantage from handball situations.
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Yes you can, if it doesn’t lead to a goal or a goal scoring opportunity, I imagine the reason pgmol didn’t mention the Silva handball today was because it didn’t lead to either of those, it led to another handball and so it’s easier to just say they didn’t seem TAAs handball as deliberate.
Read back about when Laportes got given and why the pl had to clarify their interpretation.
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A pen is a goalscoring opportunity????
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In a new phase of play. That’s why it gets messy and why pgmol didn’t mention Silvas handball.
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But the pen is a direct result of Silva's handball therefore same phase of play? It is a clear and simple rule IMO. I think we're making it way too complicated here.
The attacking team can't gain an advantage from a handball situation regardless of whether intentional or not.
posted on 10/11/19
Exactly!
posted on 10/11/19
comment by Winston is always right and he has nice balls (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
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comment by Winston is always right and he has nice balls (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
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comment by Winston is always right and he has nice balls (U1721)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston is always right and he has nice balls (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
I strongly suspect that AA would have been punished for handball in the World Cup just gone.
Which of course, would have been an absurd decision.
Be interested to hear TOOR’s view on that. Actually, maybe not.
Good game and as you say OP, there was an air of inevitability about it.
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I don't think he would, since it deflected off Silva's hand. The rules were the same in the World Cup just VAR was used differently.
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Convenient.
It would have been given on the basis of his arms being away from his body, and you’d have backed it.
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No it wouldn't as there was a deflection. Not to mention the deflection was actually off the hand of the opposition player. Without that however I'd have given handball due to where his arm was.
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And that is yet more evidence that you haven’t got a clue.
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Nope. I just go by the actual laws which the PL clarified before the season began.
If you want to learn something you can read the part where they say deflections off the opposition will be taken into account. Therefore no handball in my opinion. If yours differs fine.
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No you don’t.
You invent your own version of them based on an incorrect interpretation and then pretend it’s a fact. You’re clueless.
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Nope. I read the law and then use it to form my opinion, which I've done here, which the referee did, the VAR did etc. We all agreed it wasn't a penalty, possibly for different reasons as there are a few potential reasons.
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But I’m talking about the part where you’d say it would have been a handball if that deflection hadn’t have happened.
That’s utter crap to anyone who understands football.
You think it’s possible to play football with your arms pinned to your side. As I said, clueless.
posted on 10/11/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by {honestlivpool~five~times} 👽 🐎 #worldpeace (U1661)
posted 4 minutes ago
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 6 seconds ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Winston is always right and he has nice balls (U1721)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
I strongly suspect that AA would have been punished for handball in the World Cup just gone.
Which of course, would have been an absurd decision.
Be interested to hear TOOR’s view on that. Actually, maybe not.
Good game and as you say OP, there was an air of inevitability about it.
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I don't think he would, since it deflected off Silva's hand. The rules were the same in the World Cup just VAR was used differently.
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Not sure about that, the pl have already said they’ve gone further with it. As Silva didn’t score or create a goal scoring opportunity, then it might have been given at the World Cup.
I don’t have an issue with it though.
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No the PL haven't. They didn't bother going that far back as they deemed TAA's ok. Under the new rules you can't give the attacking an advantage from handball situations.
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That’s not what the rule says.
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NEW RULES:
The International Football Association Board (IFAB) has agreed a number of new rules and regulations to come into effect for the upcoming 2019/20 season.
The IFAB is the body that determines the Laws of the Game in football and consists of representatives from world governing body FIFA, as well as the Football Associations of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Together they agree standardised rules for international competition, with annual changes coming into force on 1 July each year.
Handball
Many in the game believe greater clarity is needed for referees when it comes to handballs, therefore the IFAB has re-worded a number of rules.
It stresses that a deliberate handball remains an offence but that the following scenarios will result in a free-kick even if accidental:
if the ball goes into the goal after touching an attacking player’s hand or arm
a player gains control/possession of the ball after it touches their hand/arm and then scores, or creates a goal-scoring opportunity
a ball touches a player’s hand/arm which has made their body unnaturally bigger
the ball touches a player’s hand/arm when it is above their shoulder (unless the player has deliberately played the ball which then touches their hand/arm)
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Thanks providing proof that Melton and I are right!
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Keep saying that to yourself. It's quite clear and simple.
posted on 10/11/19
comment by Winston is always right and he has nice balls (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by {honestlivpool~five~times} 👽 🐎 #worldpeace (U1661)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by {honestlivpool~five~times} 👽 🐎 #worldpeace (U1661)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Winston is always right and he has nice balls (U1721)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
I strongly suspect that AA would have been punished for handball in the World Cup just gone.
Which of course, would have been an absurd decision.
Be interested to hear TOOR’s view on that. Actually, maybe not.
Good game and as you say OP, there was an air of inevitability about it.
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I don't think he would, since it deflected off Silva's hand. The rules were the same in the World Cup just VAR was used differently.
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Not sure about that, the pl have already said they’ve gone further with it. As Silva didn’t score or create a goal scoring opportunity, then it might have been given at the World Cup.
I don’t have an issue with it though.
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No the PL haven't. They didn't bother going that far back as they deemed TAA's ok. Under the new rules you can't give the attacking an advantage from handball situations.
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That’s not what the rule says.
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NEW RULES:
The International Football Association Board (IFAB) has agreed a number of new rules and regulations to come into effect for the upcoming 2019/20 season.
The IFAB is the body that determines the Laws of the Game in football and consists of representatives from world governing body FIFA, as well as the Football Associations of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Together they agree standardised rules for international competition, with annual changes coming into force on 1 July each year.
Handball
Many in the game believe greater clarity is needed for referees when it comes to handballs, therefore the IFAB has re-worded a number of rules.
It stresses that a deliberate handball remains an offence but that the following scenarios will result in a free-kick even if accidental:
if the ball goes into the goal after touching an attacking player’s hand or arm
a player gains control/possession of the ball after it touches their hand/arm and then scores, or creates a goal-scoring opportunity
a ball touches a player’s hand/arm which has made their body unnaturally bigger
the ball touches a player’s hand/arm when it is above their shoulder (unless the player has deliberately played the ball which then touches their hand/arm)
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Thanks providing proof that Melton and I are right!
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You came to that conclusion after reading that? Wow.
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Wow indeed.
posted on 10/11/19
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posted 24 seconds ago
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posted 2 minutes ago
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posted 4 minutes ago
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by {honestlivpool~five~times} 👽 🐎 #worldpeace (U1661)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Winston is always right and he has nice balls (U1721)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
I strongly suspect that AA would have been punished for handball in the World Cup just gone.
Which of course, would have been an absurd decision.
Be interested to hear TOOR’s view on that. Actually, maybe not.
Good game and as you say OP, there was an air of inevitability about it.
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I don't think he would, since it deflected off Silva's hand. The rules were the same in the World Cup just VAR was used differently.
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Not sure about that, the pl have already said they’ve gone further with it. As Silva didn’t score or create a goal scoring opportunity, then it might have been given at the World Cup.
I don’t have an issue with it though.
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No the PL haven't. They didn't bother going that far back as they deemed TAA's ok. Under the new rules you can't give the attacking an advantage from handball situations.
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That’s not what the rule says.
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NEW RULES:
The International Football Association Board (IFAB) has agreed a number of new rules and regulations to come into effect for the upcoming 2019/20 season.
The IFAB is the body that determines the Laws of the Game in football and consists of representatives from world governing body FIFA, as well as the Football Associations of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Together they agree standardised rules for international competition, with annual changes coming into force on 1 July each year.
Handball
Many in the game believe greater clarity is needed for referees when it comes to handballs, therefore the IFAB has re-worded a number of rules.
It stresses that a deliberate handball remains an offence but that the following scenarios will result in a free-kick even if accidental:
if the ball goes into the goal after touching an attacking player’s hand or arm
a player gains control/possession of the ball after it touches their hand/arm and then scores, or creates a goal-scoring opportunity
a ball touches a player’s hand/arm which has made their body unnaturally bigger
the ball touches a player’s hand/arm when it is above their shoulder (unless the player has deliberately played the ball which then touches their hand/arm)
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Thanks providing proof that Melton and I are right!
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Keep saying that to yourself. It's quite clear and simple.
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Why would I keep saying it to myself? I know I’m right. That’s enough.
posted on 10/11/19
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posted 42 seconds ago
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posted 3 seconds ago
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posted 43 seconds ago
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 4 seconds ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Winston is always right and he has nice balls (U1721)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
I strongly suspect that AA would have been punished for handball in the World Cup just gone.
Which of course, would have been an absurd decision.
Be interested to hear TOOR’s view on that. Actually, maybe not.
Good game and as you say OP, there was an air of inevitability about it.
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I don't think he would, since it deflected off Silva's hand. The rules were the same in the World Cup just VAR was used differently.
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Not sure about that, the pl have already said they’ve gone further with it. As Silva didn’t score or create a goal scoring opportunity, then it might have been given at the World Cup.
I don’t have an issue with it though.
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No the PL haven't. They didn't bother going that far back as they deemed TAA's ok. Under the new rules you can't give the attacking an advantage from handball situations.
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Yes you can, if it doesn’t lead to a goal or a goal scoring opportunity, I imagine the reason pgmol didn’t mention the Silva handball today was because it didn’t lead to either of those, it led to another handball and so it’s easier to just say they didn’t seem TAAs handball as deliberate.
Read back about when Laportes got given and why the pl had to clarify their interpretation.
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A pen is a goalscoring opportunity????
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In a new phase of play. That’s why it gets messy and why pgmol didn’t mention Silvas handball.
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But the pen is a direct result of Silva's handball therefore same phase of play? It is a clear and simple rule IMO. I think we're making it way too complicated here.
The attacking team can't gain an advantage from a handball situation regardless of whether intentional or not.
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That isn’t the rule though, silva didn’t gain possession or control from the use of the hand, nor did any of his teammates (which was the justification used for the Laporte one).
I get the argument, but there is a reason pgmol didn’t just say “it wasn’t handball as it hit Silvas first”, because that means they’re adding even more of their own interpretation to it.
posted on 10/11/19
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 6 seconds ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Winston is always right and he has nice balls (U1721)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
I strongly suspect that AA would have been punished for handball in the World Cup just gone.
Which of course, would have been an absurd decision.
Be interested to hear TOOR’s view on that. Actually, maybe not.
Good game and as you say OP, there was an air of inevitability about it.
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I don't think he would, since it deflected off Silva's hand. The rules were the same in the World Cup just VAR was used differently.
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Not sure about that, the pl have already said they’ve gone further with it. As Silva didn’t score or create a goal scoring opportunity, then it might have been given at the World Cup.
I don’t have an issue with it though.
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No the PL haven't. They didn't bother going that far back as they deemed TAA's ok. Under the new rules you can't give the attacking an advantage from handball situations.
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That’s not what the rule says.
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NEW RULES:
The International Football Association Board (IFAB) has agreed a number of new rules and regulations to come into effect for the upcoming 2019/20 season.
The IFAB is the body that determines the Laws of the Game in football and consists of representatives from world governing body FIFA, as well as the Football Associations of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Together they agree standardised rules for international competition, with annual changes coming into force on 1 July each year.
Handball
Many in the game believe greater clarity is needed for referees when it comes to handballs, therefore the IFAB has re-worded a number of rules.
It stresses that a deliberate handball remains an offence but that the following scenarios will result in a free-kick even if accidental:
if the ball goes into the goal after touching an attacking player’s hand or arm
a player gains control/possession of the ball after it touches their hand/arm and then scores, or creates a goal-scoring opportunity
a ball touches a player’s hand/arm which has made their body unnaturally bigger
the ball touches a player’s hand/arm when it is above their shoulder (unless the player has deliberately played the ball which then touches their hand/arm)
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Thanks providing proof that Melton and I are right!
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You came to that conclusion after reading that? Wow.
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That's what I was wondering as well. Don't know whether he's reading from the same universe??
posted on 10/11/19
"But I’m talking about the part where you’d say it would have been a handball if that deflection hadn’t have happened."
Ah, apologies I misunderstood.
For me it would have been, especially considering the new rules about your silhouette making the body bigger. He would have had time to move his arm out of the way in my opinion but the deflection caught him off guard.
posted on 10/11/19
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 14 minutes ago
I think Foden will be the answer too, but it will take a while for him to get up to the levels Silva reached, if ever. We’ve been really blessed with him over the past few years.
Said exactly the same about Kompany on a different thread - replacing him is easier said than done. The other thing is the double whammy of playing Fernandinho there and not in midfield. There’s a few games I’d have liked to have seen Rodri and Fernandinho both in midfield, but we haven’t even had the option really yet.
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I fancied him to start today. We need someone in CM who can control attacks in and around the final third, Gundogan, KDB and Rodri are all a bit deeper and we did miss a link to Aguero today. That said Aguero could be still on the pitch at Anfield now and he wouldn’t have been able to score yet.
posted on 10/11/19
comment by Winston is always right and he has nice balls (U1721)
posted 39 seconds ago
"But I’m talking about the part where you’d say it would have been a handball if that deflection hadn’t have happened."
Ah, apologies I misunderstood.
For me it would have been, especially considering the new rules about your silhouette making the body bigger. He would have had time to move his arm out of the way in my opinion but the deflection caught him off guard.
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He doesn’t have to move his arm out of the way.
TOOR, if you can’t see that was just a natural position then you’d need your head examined.
As I’ve said before, I’d love you to play a football match and then watch a video back to see where are arms go during the match, as part of an entirely natural movement.
posted on 10/11/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Winston is always right and he has nice balls (U1721)
posted 39 seconds ago
"But I’m talking about the part where you’d say it would have been a handball if that deflection hadn’t have happened."
Ah, apologies I misunderstood.
For me it would have been, especially considering the new rules about your silhouette making the body bigger. He would have had time to move his arm out of the way in my opinion but the deflection caught him off guard.
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He doesn’t have to move his arm out of the way.
TOOR, if you can’t see that was just a natural position then you’d need your head examined.
As I’ve said before, I’d love you to play a football match and then watch a video back to see where are arms go during the match, as part of an entirely natural movement.
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He does, or he concedes a penalty, had be pretty stupid not to, in that respect.
posted on 10/11/19
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posted 2 minutes ago
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posted 3 seconds ago
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posted 4 seconds ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Winston is always right and he has nice balls (U1721)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
I strongly suspect that AA would have been punished for handball in the World Cup just gone.
Which of course, would have been an absurd decision.
Be interested to hear TOOR’s view on that. Actually, maybe not.
Good game and as you say OP, there was an air of inevitability about it.
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I don't think he would, since it deflected off Silva's hand. The rules were the same in the World Cup just VAR was used differently.
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Not sure about that, the pl have already said they’ve gone further with it. As Silva didn’t score or create a goal scoring opportunity, then it might have been given at the World Cup.
I don’t have an issue with it though.
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No the PL haven't. They didn't bother going that far back as they deemed TAA's ok. Under the new rules you can't give the attacking an advantage from handball situations.
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Yes you can, if it doesn’t lead to a goal or a goal scoring opportunity, I imagine the reason pgmol didn’t mention the Silva handball today was because it didn’t lead to either of those, it led to another handball and so it’s easier to just say they didn’t seem TAAs handball as deliberate.
Read back about when Laportes got given and why the pl had to clarify their interpretation.
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A pen is a goalscoring opportunity????
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In a new phase of play. That’s why it gets messy and why pgmol didn’t mention Silvas handball.
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But the pen is a direct result of Silva's handball therefore same phase of play? It is a clear and simple rule IMO. I think we're making it way too complicated here.
The attacking team can't gain an advantage from a handball situation regardless of whether intentional or not.
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That isn’t the rule though, silva didn’t gain possession or control from the use of the hand, nor did any of his teammates (which was the justification used for the Laporte one).
I get the argument, but there is a reason pgmol didn’t just say “it wasn’t handball as it hit Silvas first”, because that means they’re adding even more of their own interpretation to it.
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You’re on a hiding to nothing here mate.
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