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Nigel Pearson to Watford

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posted on 6/12/19

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posted on 6/12/19

obviously already preparing for the championship

posted on 6/12/19

Are you an ostrich?

comment by Neo (U9135)

posted on 6/12/19

Nigel Pearson ffs

comment by Jobyfox (U4183)

posted on 6/12/19

Let’s not forget that when Nigel picked us up the 1st time we were a league one club. He completely rebuilt Sven’s squad to get us out of the Championship and most of the signings that won us the league were his, or at least, made by the team he brought in.

There are a few question marks:
1. Can he be successful without Shakespeare and Walsh and could he get them to join him?
2. His team building attributes are without question, but has he got the tactical nous to get results at this level

I for one have a lot of respect for him for what he did at Leicester and wish him the best of luck

posted on 6/12/19

Good luck to nigel,
The squad is fairly good and players coming back from injury
Andy King is probably available 🙄

posted on 6/12/19

Good Luck Nigel you were always the one for me

posted on 6/12/19

comment by Jobyfox (U4183)
posted 3 minutes ago
Let’s not forget that when Nigel picked us up the 1st time we were a league one club. He completely rebuilt Sven’s squad to get us out of the Championship and most of the signings that won us the league were his, or at least, made by the team he brought in.

There are a few question marks:
1. Can he be successful without Shakespeare and Walsh and could he get them to join him?
2. His team building attributes are without question, but has he got the tactical nous to get results at this level

I for one have a lot of respect for him for what he did at Leicester and wish him the best of luck
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That’s a bit of a revisionist assessment of what happened Joby - in particular the statement “He completely rebuilt Svens squad”.

Pearson was an important part of our journey from league 1, but his record without Steve Walsh and Craig Shakespeare is utterly appalling. It should be obvious to anyone (and it’s referenced in your questions in fairness) that his success with Leicester was founded on Steve Walsh’s scouting and Shakespeares coaching.

Pearson is one of those managers who can’t do it alone. He got sacked by OH Leuven for facks sake.

Unless Pearson is bringing both of those with him (and I suspect he is) then he will do absolutely nothing at Watford except relegate them and fall out with everyone

posted on 6/12/19

Well, if he gets the appointment I say good luck Nigel. I’m pleased the Watford match at home is already out the way as I wouldn’t have wanted him to suffer the indignity of a defeat on his old territory.

posted on 6/12/19

comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
Can't wait for the exciting interviews.
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That time he called a reporter a pr!ck

comment by Jobyfox (U4183)

posted on 6/12/19

comment by Black Starr (U12353)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Jobyfox (U4183)
posted 3 minutes ago
Let’s not forget that when Nigel picked us up the 1st time we were a league one club. He completely rebuilt Sven’s squad to get us out of the Championship and most of the signings that won us the league were his, or at least, made by the team he brought in.

There are a few question marks:
1. Can he be successful without Shakespeare and Walsh and could he get them to join him?
2. His team building attributes are without question, but has he got the tactical nous to get results at this level

I for one have a lot of respect for him for what he did at Leicester and wish him the best of luck
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That’s a bit of a revisionist assessment of what happened Joby - in particular the statement “He completely rebuilt Svens squad”.

Pearson was an important part of our journey from league 1, but his record without Steve Walsh and Craig Shakespeare is utterly appalling. It should be obvious to anyone (and it’s referenced in your questions in fairness) that his success with Leicester was founded on Steve Walsh’s scouting and Shakespeares coaching.

Pearson is one of those managers who can’t do it alone. He got sacked by OH Leuven for facks sake.

Unless Pearson is bringing both of those with him (and I suspect he is) then he will do absolutely nothing at Watford except relegate them and fall out with everyone
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No it really isn’t revisionist BS.

NP completely rebuilt the squad. Not just in terms of players recruited, but in the ethos, culture and direction. Many posters slagged him off for moving highly priced assets like Danns, St. Ledger and Beckford out of the team. We were left with a happier, fitter and more integrated bunch of players who all spoke and still speak very highly of Nigel. His media persona very different from the one he displays privately (by all accounts).

Sure, it may have been the team he brought with him who should share his success. It only seems a recent phenomenon that we have to pick out the head scout, the head coach or the fitness instructor for praise rather than collectively praising the manager with it being implicit that it includes his people. Any manager is only as good as his team - including Brendan Rodgers or Pep Guardiola - or the structure within which they operate. Pearson was lucky in both respects. You could equally argue that Shakespeare or Walsh have not been successful without Pearson, but it’s probably not quite as simple as that. I strongly suspect that our own owners and executives are part of the reason why Pearson and his team were successful.

There is no doubt that Pearson’s era was a great one for our club. That analysis includes his team, his players and the new approaches he brought in to fitness and recovery. He left us in a very healthy state and much of what followed was built on the solid foundations the team he brought in laid.

comment by Jobyfox (U4183)

posted on 6/12/19

comment by Jobyfox (U4183)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Black Starr (U12353)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Jobyfox (U4183)
posted 3 minutes ago
Let’s not forget that when Nigel picked us up the 1st time we were a league one club. He completely rebuilt Sven’s squad to get us out of the Championship and most of the signings that won us the league were his, or at least, made by the team he brought in.

There are a few question marks:
1. Can he be successful without Shakespeare and Walsh and could he get them to join him?
2. His team building attributes are without question, but has he got the tactical nous to get results at this level

I for one have a lot of respect for him for what he did at Leicester and wish him the best of luck
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That’s a bit of a revisionist assessment of what happened Joby - in particular the statement “He completely rebuilt Svens squad”.

Pearson was an important part of our journey from league 1, but his record without Steve Walsh and Craig Shakespeare is utterly appalling. It should be obvious to anyone (and it’s referenced in your questions in fairness) that his success with Leicester was founded on Steve Walsh’s scouting and Shakespeares coaching.

Pearson is one of those managers who can’t do it alone. He got sacked by OH Leuven for facks sake.

Unless Pearson is bringing both of those with him (and I suspect he is) then he will do absolutely nothing at Watford except relegate them and fall out with everyone
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No it really isn’t revisionist BS.

NP completely rebuilt the squad. Not just in terms of players recruited, but in the ethos, culture and direction. Many posters slagged him off for moving highly priced assets like Danns, St. Ledger and Beckford out of the team. We were left with a happier, fitter and more integrated bunch of players who all spoke and still speak very highly of Nigel. His media persona very different from the one he displays privately (by all accounts).

Sure, it may have been the team he brought with him who should share his success. It only seems a recent phenomenon that we have to pick out the head scout, the head coach or the fitness instructor for praise rather than collectively praising the manager with it being implicit that it includes his people. Any manager is only as good as his team - including Brendan Rodgers or Pep Guardiola - or the structure within which they operate. Pearson was lucky in both respects. You could equally argue that Shakespeare or Walsh have not been successful without Pearson, but it’s probably not quite as simple as that. I strongly suspect that our own owners and executives are part of the reason why Pearson and his team were successful.

There is no doubt that Pearson’s era was a great one for our club. That analysis includes his team, his players and the new approaches he brought in to fitness and recovery. He left us in a very healthy state and much of what followed was built on the solid foundations the team he brought in laid.
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^^^^ I should add that doesn’t necessarily mean I think he’ll be good for Watford as there are still the questions I asked that need resolving and a suspicion that Championship might be his level.

posted on 6/12/19

Good Luck Nige, talk about jumping in at the deep end though, looks like they might be expecting to go down or Big Sam wanted too many brown envelopes.

posted on 6/12/19

comment by Jobyfox (U4183)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Black Starr (U12353)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Jobyfox (U4183)
posted 3 minutes ago
Let’s not forget that when Nigel picked us up the 1st time we were a league one club. He completely rebuilt Sven’s squad to get us out of the Championship and most of the signings that won us the league were his, or at least, made by the team he brought in.

There are a few question marks:
1. Can he be successful without Shakespeare and Walsh and could he get them to join him?
2. His team building attributes are without question, but has he got the tactical nous to get results at this level

I for one have a lot of respect for him for what he did at Leicester and wish him the best of luck
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That’s a bit of a revisionist assessment of what happened Joby - in particular the statement “He completely rebuilt Svens squad”.

Pearson was an important part of our journey from league 1, but his record without Steve Walsh and Craig Shakespeare is utterly appalling. It should be obvious to anyone (and it’s referenced in your questions in fairness) that his success with Leicester was founded on Steve Walsh’s scouting and Shakespeares coaching.

Pearson is one of those managers who can’t do it alone. He got sacked by OH Leuven for facks sake.

Unless Pearson is bringing both of those with him (and I suspect he is) then he will do absolutely nothing at Watford except relegate them and fall out with everyone
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No it really isn’t revisionist BS.

NP completely rebuilt the squad. Not just in terms of players recruited, but in the ethos, culture and direction. Many posters slagged him off for moving highly priced assets like Danns, St. Ledger and Beckford out of the team. We were left with a happier, fitter and more integrated bunch of players who all spoke and still speak very highly of Nigel. His media persona very different from the one he displays privately (by all accounts).

Sure, it may have been the team he brought with him who should share his success. It only seems a recent phenomenon that we have to pick out the head scout, the head coach or the fitness instructor for praise rather than collectively praising the manager with it being implicit that it includes his people. Any manager is only as good as his team - including Brendan Rodgers or Pep Guardiola - or the structure within which they operate. Pearson was lucky in both respects. You could equally argue that Shakespeare or Walsh have not been successful without Pearson, but it’s probably not quite as simple as that. I strongly suspect that our own owners and executives are part of the reason why Pearson and his team were successful.

There is no doubt that Pearson’s era was a great one for our club. That analysis includes his team, his players and the new approaches he brought in to fitness and recovery. He left us in a very healthy state and much of what followed was built on the solid foundations the team he brought in laid.
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It’s absolutely revisionist because you attempt to equate all success at Leicester ultimately to one individual. One individual who has proven that without his trusted cohorts, he not only can’t repeat the same success, he’s been an unmitigated disaster. How else do you explain his 4 month stint at Derby, or his absolutely bizarre outing at a second division Belgian side - where he was leading them into trouble?

You’re now attributing all of the sports science innovations at the club to him as if perhaps the investment and infrastructure wasn’t supported by others at the club. You don’t even fully know if it was his idea and you don’t know if he implemented it anywhere else.

And you’re wrong in saying that it’s a recent phenomenan to pick out the supporting cast for credit, think of Clough and Taylor as an example. It’s always been a factor, the difference is that such was the level of Clough, he didn’t completely fall apart when Peter Taylor left him. Sir Alex Ferguson has operated with several different assistant managers as have many other top level coaches

It would be unfair to benchmark Pearson against those names. But it would also be wrong to attribute absolutely everything good that happened to this club during that time as the direct consequence of Nigel Pearson. He was a part of our journey, was fortunate to work with some amazing people and was enabled by the owners he worked for.

Take those elements away and he has achieved less than nothing.

posted on 6/12/19

‘NP completely rebuilt the squad. Not just in terms of players recruited, but in the ethos, culture and direction’

That’s the revisionist statement I take issue with. We know that he didn’t rebuild the squad in terms of the players recruited. It wasn’t even his remit.

If he had have done then very simply he would have been able to do the same wherever he went.

Ethos and culture I think is fair, but again - you attribute solely to him, we don’t know

posted on 6/12/19

The bloke always came across as somewhere between unhinged and psychotic.

Great to see him back.

posted on 6/12/19

There's nothing on the club's website about Shakey or Walsh coming with him, but the Guardian says that Shakey will be assisting him. If so that would be good for Nigel, I hope that between the pair of them they will keep Watford up.
All interviews with Radio Watford will be conducted by Nigel until the New Year, when Shakey will take over.

posted on 6/12/19

Great to see him back, I actually cannot wait for his first post match interview

comment by Jobyfox (U4183)

posted on 6/12/19

“It’s absolutely revisionist because you attempt to equate all success at Leicester ultimately to one individual.”
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Clearly didn’t read my post.

Incidentally, Glen Driscoll is doing well this season isn’t he? Do you think Arsenal will come in for him?

posted on 6/12/19

Think this could work well, hope so as he achieved much with us ,just packed tact and diplomacy.
Bit of a last chance for him at this level,so he needs to make it work.
Wish him well.

posted on 6/12/19

comment by Jobyfox (U4183)
posted 1 minute ago
“It’s absolutely revisionist because you attempt to equate all success at Leicester ultimately to one individual.”
——————

Clearly didn’t read my post.

Incidentally, Glen Driscoll is doing well this season isn’t he? Do you think Arsenal will come in for him?
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Yes I read your post and I disagree with it. I’m sure you’ll get over it Joby

posted on 6/12/19

I can’t help but feel this isn’t a good move by Watford. It’s good for Pearson as it gives him one final shot at the Premier League, but his star has waned since we parted company the second time. They still have some decent players so can escape, but Pearson’s a builder and Watford’s owners always want something yesterday.

posted on 6/12/19

The first player to be booted out will be Deulofeu. In Stringer's radio commentary this week he described him as being too much of a prima donna to walk over to take the throw-in, as he has played in the past for Barcelona!
The first ego to be chucked out of the squad!

posted on 6/12/19

Is it True Stringer had just got a Job at Radio Watford and has now turned it down?

comment by Jobyfox (U4183)

posted on 6/12/19

comment by Black Starr (U12353)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Jobyfox (U4183)
posted 1 minute ago
“It’s absolutely revisionist because you attempt to equate all success at Leicester ultimately to one individual.”
——————

Clearly didn’t read my post.

Incidentally, Glen Driscoll is doing well this season isn’t he? Do you think Arsenal will come in for him?
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Yes I read your post and I disagree with it. I’m sure you’ll get over it Joby
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I just found it interesting that the bit you disagreed with was almost the exact opposite of what I actually said.

I assumed it was down to your ability to read, but maybe it was my ability to articulate

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