Why would he get credit for sticking with Ole. Thats what he should be doing anyway.
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posted 2 minutes ago
Why would he get credit for sticking with Ole. Thats what he should be doing anyway.
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Do you always expect Ed to do the right thing ?
He deserves credit for not sacking a manager after only 1 transfer window ?
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 26 minutes ago
What people do you mean by the club?
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No wonder you get stick on here.
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comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 26 minutes ago
What people do you mean by the club?
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No wonder you get stick on here.
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Huh. It's a fair question.
I see the argument for Poch.
Anyone who wants Allegri or Ancelloti is an idiot who has learned nothing from the last 6 years.
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comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 26 minutes ago
What people do you mean by the club?
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No wonder you get stick on here.
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Huh. It's a fair question.
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No... It's an utterly stupid question.
Me, you, everyone else knew I meant all the decision makers at the club, including the owners. But for whatever reason, you chose to try and call out the one person who was trying to converse with you.
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 26 minutes ago
What people do you mean by the club?
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No wonder you get stick on here.
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Huh. It's a fair question.
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No... It's an utterly stupid question.
Me, you, everyone else knew I meant all the decision makers at the club, including the owners. But for whatever reason, you chose to try and call out the one person who was trying to converse with you.
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Strange existence when you wake up in the morning and think to yourself 'I'm going to get some attention with another Ed article'.
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 26 minutes ago
What people do you mean by the club?
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No wonder you get stick on here.
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Huh. It's a fair question.
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No... It's an utterly stupid question.
Me, you, everyone else knew I meant all the decision makers at the club, including the owners. But for whatever reason, you chose to try and call out the one person who was trying to converse with you.
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No. I just didnt know who you were referring to.
As far as I know, Ed is the decision maker. No other execs or the owners have been deened responsible for any other decisions
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 26 minutes ago
What people do you mean by the club?
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No wonder you get stick on here.
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Huh. It's a fair question.
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No... It's an utterly stupid question.
Me, you, everyone else knew I meant all the decision makers at the club, including the owners. But for whatever reason, you chose to try and call out the one person who was trying to converse with you.
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Strange existence when you wake up in the morning and think to yourself 'I'm going to get some attention with another Ed article'.
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Hmmm. Arent all articles attention seeking to some degree?
The mass filter was a good idea
Unless Woodward seriously ups his game I'd say any success we get now is despite him rather than because of him.
What use would it be to Appoint any of those managers to take over a mish-mash squad who none of them would have playing consistently good football before the pressure was piled on for him to get sacked?
United really are in a catch-22 situation when it comes to managers.
At least having Ole in charge signals an approach that most long-standing fans can get on board with.
As for being tactically capable or not, which is what many of his detractors point out, it's worth remembering that many people way back when doubted Fergie's capability, and we all know what happened.
That doesn't mean Ole will ever even come close, what it does mean is that it's simply too early to tell - despite some smartarsed armchair fans reckoning they know better than most life-long professional footballers turned manager.
And by the way, RDD, without going into a detailed analysis I'm not capable of providing, here are a few initial thoughts regarding the managerial styles of the three names you threw out up there:
Ancelotti - known for his laissez-faire style, which probably helps why he's done better in short-format competitions with star-studded sides that are best off given a long leash
Allegri - a renowned pragmatist who cares little for style and who doesn't bat when taking an early lead and making the fans sit through 80 minutes of putting 10 men behind the ball
Poch - a reputation for being a motivator, but often questioned regarding his tactical set-ups and in-game management when plan A isn't working.
As much as people might think all or any of the above is a safer pair of hands than Ole, they would've probably thought the same of Moyes, LvG and Jose. record
Bit of an editing mess there, but easy enough to get the gist I hope.
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 33 minutes ago
What use would it be to Appoint any of those managers to take over a mish-mash squad who none of them would have playing consistently good football before the pressure was piled on for him to get sacked?
United really are in a catch-22 situation when it comes to managers.
At least having Ole in charge signals an approach that most long-standing fans can get on board with.
As for being tactically capable or not, which is what many of his detractors point out, it's worth remembering that many people way back when doubted Fergie's capability, and we all know what happened.
That doesn't mean Ole will ever even come close, what it does mean is that it's simply too early to tell - despite some smartarsed armchair fans reckoning they know better than most life-long professional footballers turned manager.
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comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 22 minutes ago
And by the way, RDD, without going into a detailed analysis I'm not capable of providing, here are a few initial thoughts regarding the managerial styles of the three names you threw out up there:
Ancelotti - known for his laissez-faire style, which probably helps why he's done better in short-format competitions with star-studded sides that are best off given a long leash
Allegri - a renowned pragmatist who cares little for style and who doesn't bat when taking an early lead and making the fans sit through 80 minutes of putting 10 men behind the ball
Poch - a reputation for being a motivator, but often questioned regarding his tactical set-ups and in-game management when plan A isn't working.
As much as people might think all or any of the above is a safer pair of hands than Ole, they would've probably thought the same of Moyes, LvG and Jose. record
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No idea what any of that meant ffs what a mess.
All evidence points to Woodward making poor footballing decisions.
Ex-players don't like him.
Ex-managers don't like him.
Ex-staff don't like him.
The media don't rate him.
When everything and everybody points the finger at the man, it's likely there is substance to the idea he isn't a footballing man.
"As far as I know, Ed is the decision maker. No other execs or the owners have been deened responsible for any other decisions"
Decisions that have seen us go from 13 league titles in 22 (?) years to 0 league title challenges since his arrival?
Decisions that have lead to successful managers fail to the point we are now ripping up and starting again?
He gets all the credit in the world for that
If he sticks with Ole and fails to back him with transfers, the structure around him to succeed then no he won't. If he sticks with him and gets the other aspects of his job right, then yes, he will get some credit.
The fact that he's being talked about at all is damning in how he's performed in his role. I prefer the CEO to not have so much limelight
Happy to stick with Ole now.
He's earned the right to see out the season I think.
What's impressed me the most is that he has somewhat turned it around. Sometimes things get so bad that the dressing room is lost and the managers position becomes untenable.
Ole has seen that out which in itself shows good mental strength and his commitment to his core beliefs is refreshing.
We were unlucky against Sheffield United and Villa, on another day we hold out and win those and be 1 point off top 4. Those penalty misses earlier in the season haven't helped. Injuries to Shaw (who was fantastic on Sunday), Pogba and Martial were destructive to the season so far.
But that's football and we can only look ahead. Right now top 4 looks achievable again and I fancy us winning one of the cups. That to me would be fine for this season and getting in to the Champions League through Europa League or Top 4 would be fantastic. Gives us a great platform to build on.
Pogba coming back will be huge. He will help break down those stubborn defences so there is some hope that this season is still alive. Yes he will irk people with his showboating but he is a top midfielder and one we need.
"What's impressed me the most is that he has somewhat turned it around. Sometimes things get so bad that the dressing room is lost and the managers position becomes untenable."
I don't believe he ever lost the dressing room. Not like Jose did, or say Potch at Spurs.
The issue is quality and experience in the squad, which has lead the season to pan out how a lot of people predicted in August.
What use would it be to Appoint any of those managers to take over a mish-mash squad
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No manager walks in to a squad that isn't a mish mash of some sort. That's what transfer windows are for.
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posted on 11/12/19
Why would he get credit for sticking with Ole. Thats what he should be doing anyway.
posted on 11/12/19
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 2 minutes ago
Why would he get credit for sticking with Ole. Thats what he should be doing anyway.
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Do you always expect Ed to do the right thing ?
posted on 11/12/19
He deserves credit for not sacking a manager after only 1 transfer window ?
posted on 11/12/19
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 26 minutes ago
What people do you mean by the club?
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No wonder you get stick on here.
posted on 11/12/19
Comment deleted by Article Creator
posted on 11/12/19
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 26 minutes ago
What people do you mean by the club?
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No wonder you get stick on here.
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Huh. It's a fair question.
posted on 11/12/19
I see the argument for Poch.
Anyone who wants Allegri or Ancelloti is an idiot who has learned nothing from the last 6 years.
posted on 11/12/19
Comment deleted by Article Creator
posted on 11/12/19
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 26 minutes ago
What people do you mean by the club?
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No wonder you get stick on here.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Huh. It's a fair question.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No... It's an utterly stupid question.
Me, you, everyone else knew I meant all the decision makers at the club, including the owners. But for whatever reason, you chose to try and call out the one person who was trying to converse with you.
posted on 11/12/19
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 26 minutes ago
What people do you mean by the club?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No wonder you get stick on here.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Huh. It's a fair question.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No... It's an utterly stupid question.
Me, you, everyone else knew I meant all the decision makers at the club, including the owners. But for whatever reason, you chose to try and call out the one person who was trying to converse with you.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Strange existence when you wake up in the morning and think to yourself 'I'm going to get some attention with another Ed article'.
posted on 11/12/19
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 26 minutes ago
What people do you mean by the club?
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No wonder you get stick on here.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Huh. It's a fair question.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No... It's an utterly stupid question.
Me, you, everyone else knew I meant all the decision makers at the club, including the owners. But for whatever reason, you chose to try and call out the one person who was trying to converse with you.
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No. I just didnt know who you were referring to.
As far as I know, Ed is the decision maker. No other execs or the owners have been deened responsible for any other decisions
posted on 11/12/19
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Big McTominay (U22257)
posted 26 minutes ago
What people do you mean by the club?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No wonder you get stick on here.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Huh. It's a fair question.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No... It's an utterly stupid question.
Me, you, everyone else knew I meant all the decision makers at the club, including the owners. But for whatever reason, you chose to try and call out the one person who was trying to converse with you.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Strange existence when you wake up in the morning and think to yourself 'I'm going to get some attention with another Ed article'.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hmmm. Arent all articles attention seeking to some degree?
posted on 11/12/19
The mass filter was a good idea
posted on 11/12/19
Unless Woodward seriously ups his game I'd say any success we get now is despite him rather than because of him.
posted on 11/12/19
What use would it be to Appoint any of those managers to take over a mish-mash squad who none of them would have playing consistently good football before the pressure was piled on for him to get sacked?
United really are in a catch-22 situation when it comes to managers.
At least having Ole in charge signals an approach that most long-standing fans can get on board with.
As for being tactically capable or not, which is what many of his detractors point out, it's worth remembering that many people way back when doubted Fergie's capability, and we all know what happened.
That doesn't mean Ole will ever even come close, what it does mean is that it's simply too early to tell - despite some smartarsed armchair fans reckoning they know better than most life-long professional footballers turned manager.
posted on 11/12/19
And by the way, RDD, without going into a detailed analysis I'm not capable of providing, here are a few initial thoughts regarding the managerial styles of the three names you threw out up there:
Ancelotti - known for his laissez-faire style, which probably helps why he's done better in short-format competitions with star-studded sides that are best off given a long leash
Allegri - a renowned pragmatist who cares little for style and who doesn't bat when taking an early lead and making the fans sit through 80 minutes of putting 10 men behind the ball
Poch - a reputation for being a motivator, but often questioned regarding his tactical set-ups and in-game management when plan A isn't working.
As much as people might think all or any of the above is a safer pair of hands than Ole, they would've probably thought the same of Moyes, LvG and Jose. record
posted on 11/12/19
Bit of an editing mess there, but easy enough to get the gist I hope.
posted on 11/12/19
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 33 minutes ago
What use would it be to Appoint any of those managers to take over a mish-mash squad who none of them would have playing consistently good football before the pressure was piled on for him to get sacked?
United really are in a catch-22 situation when it comes to managers.
At least having Ole in charge signals an approach that most long-standing fans can get on board with.
As for being tactically capable or not, which is what many of his detractors point out, it's worth remembering that many people way back when doubted Fergie's capability, and we all know what happened.
That doesn't mean Ole will ever even come close, what it does mean is that it's simply too early to tell - despite some smartarsed armchair fans reckoning they know better than most life-long professional footballers turned manager.
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comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 22 minutes ago
And by the way, RDD, without going into a detailed analysis I'm not capable of providing, here are a few initial thoughts regarding the managerial styles of the three names you threw out up there:
Ancelotti - known for his laissez-faire style, which probably helps why he's done better in short-format competitions with star-studded sides that are best off given a long leash
Allegri - a renowned pragmatist who cares little for style and who doesn't bat when taking an early lead and making the fans sit through 80 minutes of putting 10 men behind the ball
Poch - a reputation for being a motivator, but often questioned regarding his tactical set-ups and in-game management when plan A isn't working.
As much as people might think all or any of the above is a safer pair of hands than Ole, they would've probably thought the same of Moyes, LvG and Jose. record
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No idea what any of that meant ffs what a mess.
posted on 11/12/19
Haha, you !
posted on 11/12/19
All evidence points to Woodward making poor footballing decisions.
Ex-players don't like him.
Ex-managers don't like him.
Ex-staff don't like him.
The media don't rate him.
When everything and everybody points the finger at the man, it's likely there is substance to the idea he isn't a footballing man.
posted on 11/12/19
"As far as I know, Ed is the decision maker. No other execs or the owners have been deened responsible for any other decisions"
Decisions that have seen us go from 13 league titles in 22 (?) years to 0 league title challenges since his arrival?
Decisions that have lead to successful managers fail to the point we are now ripping up and starting again?
He gets all the credit in the world for that
posted on 11/12/19
If he sticks with Ole and fails to back him with transfers, the structure around him to succeed then no he won't. If he sticks with him and gets the other aspects of his job right, then yes, he will get some credit.
The fact that he's being talked about at all is damning in how he's performed in his role. I prefer the CEO to not have so much limelight
posted on 11/12/19
Happy to stick with Ole now.
He's earned the right to see out the season I think.
What's impressed me the most is that he has somewhat turned it around. Sometimes things get so bad that the dressing room is lost and the managers position becomes untenable.
Ole has seen that out which in itself shows good mental strength and his commitment to his core beliefs is refreshing.
We were unlucky against Sheffield United and Villa, on another day we hold out and win those and be 1 point off top 4. Those penalty misses earlier in the season haven't helped. Injuries to Shaw (who was fantastic on Sunday), Pogba and Martial were destructive to the season so far.
But that's football and we can only look ahead. Right now top 4 looks achievable again and I fancy us winning one of the cups. That to me would be fine for this season and getting in to the Champions League through Europa League or Top 4 would be fantastic. Gives us a great platform to build on.
Pogba coming back will be huge. He will help break down those stubborn defences so there is some hope that this season is still alive. Yes he will irk people with his showboating but he is a top midfielder and one we need.
posted on 11/12/19
"What's impressed me the most is that he has somewhat turned it around. Sometimes things get so bad that the dressing room is lost and the managers position becomes untenable."
I don't believe he ever lost the dressing room. Not like Jose did, or say Potch at Spurs.
The issue is quality and experience in the squad, which has lead the season to pan out how a lot of people predicted in August.
posted on 11/12/19
What use would it be to Appoint any of those managers to take over a mish-mash squad
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No manager walks in to a squad that isn't a mish mash of some sort. That's what transfer windows are for.
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