Seems fine to me, play ball!
It's a shambles. We have now had 2 for and 2 against and every time I have been left disappointed with the outcome.
In my opinion if you can't see from a still image with no imaginary lines that someone is offside it's not clear and obvious and shouldn't be overturned.
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It should be judged on the position of the foot, simple as that. That would take away any misinterpretation or doubt.
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That's why it's hard too b a ref in epl.
comment by 4Tsar (U22296)
posted 0 seconds ago
That would be a start but even that produces unfair decisions.
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Does it? All the controversial ones I’ve seen are other body parts, and the reason it’s so difficult to come to a decision is that those body parts are not in contact with the ground.
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you (U7905)
posted 3 minutes ago
It's a shambles. We have now had 2 for and 2 against and every time I have been left disappointed with the outcome.
In my opinion if you can't see from a still image with no imaginary lines that someone is offside it's not clear and obvious and shouldn't be overturned.
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Exactly- if you have to draw stupid lines then it’s not clear and obvious!
Nothing unfair about moving offsides to the feet, quick to put the lines down on var, easy to see from a still, favours the attacker, who is generally leaning forward.
Its a perfect solution.
Fast efficient and can be implemented with 100% fairness and accuracy
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by 4Tsar (U22296)
posted 0 seconds ago
That would be a start but even that produces unfair decisions.
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Does it? All the controversial ones I’ve seen are other body parts, and the reason it’s so difficult to come to a decision is that those body parts are not in contact with the ground.
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I’d be interested to see how many of the borderline offsides were actually still borderline when they recurved the ball and are therefore gaining an advantage. I think VAR is looking at it the wrong way - offside has to be clear cut without VAR because you can’t judge the gaining advantage easily - with VAR this problem is solved!
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 1 minute ago
Nothing unfair about moving offsides to the feet, quick to put the lines down on var, easy to see from a still, favours the attacker, who is generally leaning forward.
Its a perfect solution.
Fast efficient and can be implemented with 100% fairness and accuracy
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What it doesn’t do is take into consideration the the frame rate and EXACT moment the ball leave the foot - the two factors make tiny marginal decisions pointless
comment by CutMeAndIBleedRed (U7593)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 1 minute ago
Nothing unfair about moving offsides to the feet, quick to put the lines down on var, easy to see from a still, favours the attacker, who is generally leaning forward.
Its a perfect solution.
Fast efficient and can be implemented with 100% fairness and accuracy
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What it doesn’t do is take into consideration the the frame rate and EXACT moment the ball leave the foot - the two factors make tiny marginal decisions pointless
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Except you still have those tiny marginal decisions before VAR. They were just less likely to be correct.
VAR is undoubtedly more accurate than the previous system.
On a more serious note, to me it looks like whatever technology they're using in the EPL for offside isn't fit for purpose with all these line drawing and armpit nonsense they do. In Europe and last WC I can't personally recall a specific controversial offside incident.
Surely if the entire ball needs to be over the line for it to be a goal/out of play, the entire player needs to be in an offside position for it to be offside??
Needs to be daylight between the players. Can’t say one part of the body is off and another isn’t
If you had a boner would it be offside?
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by CutMeAndIBleedRed (U7593)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 1 minute ago
Nothing unfair about moving offsides to the feet, quick to put the lines down on var, easy to see from a still, favours the attacker, who is generally leaning forward.
Its a perfect solution.
Fast efficient and can be implemented with 100% fairness and accuracy
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What it doesn’t do is take into consideration the the frame rate and EXACT moment the ball leave the foot - the two factors make tiny marginal decisions pointless
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Except you still have those tiny marginal decisions before VAR. They were just less likely to be correct.
VAR is undoubtedly more accurate than the previous system.
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That’s my point - VAR shouldn’t be used to look at minute details - simple question should be did they gain an advantage.
comment by CutMeAndIBleedRed (U7593)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by CutMeAndIBleedRed (U7593)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 1 minute ago
Nothing unfair about moving offsides to the feet, quick to put the lines down on var, easy to see from a still, favours the attacker, who is generally leaning forward.
Its a perfect solution.
Fast efficient and can be implemented with 100% fairness and accuracy
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What it doesn’t do is take into consideration the the frame rate and EXACT moment the ball leave the foot - the two factors make tiny marginal decisions pointless
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Except you still have those tiny marginal decisions before VAR. They were just less likely to be correct.
VAR is undoubtedly more accurate than the previous system.
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That’s my point - VAR shouldn’t be used to look at minute details - simple question should be did they gain an advantage.
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That’s subjective though....
comment by TBone Steak Roysters (U3947)
posted 6 minutes ago
Needs to be daylight between the players. Can’t say one part of the body is off and another isn’t
If you had a boner would it be offside?
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Only if you scored with it!!!
comment by CutMeAndIBleedRed (U7593)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by CutMeAndIBleedRed (U7593)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 1 minute ago
Nothing unfair about moving offsides to the feet, quick to put the lines down on var, easy to see from a still, favours the attacker, who is generally leaning forward.
Its a perfect solution.
Fast efficient and can be implemented with 100% fairness and accuracy
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What it doesn’t do is take into consideration the the frame rate and EXACT moment the ball leave the foot - the two factors make tiny marginal decisions pointless
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Except you still have those tiny marginal decisions before VAR. They were just less likely to be correct.
VAR is undoubtedly more accurate than the previous system.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That’s my point - VAR shouldn’t be used to look at minute details - simple question should be did they gain an advantage.
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If the ball goes in the back of the net they have gained an advantage
comment by Dunne was under Unger and I was over Dunne (U6037)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
comment by TBone Steak Roysters (U3947)
posted 6 minutes ago
Needs to be daylight between the players. Can’t say one part of the body is off and another isn’t
If you had a boner would it be offside?
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Only if you scored with it!!!
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Imagine scoring everytime you had a boner!
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 2 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by CutMeAndIBleedRed (U7593)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by CutMeAndIBleedRed (U7593)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 1 minute ago
Nothing unfair about moving offsides to the feet, quick to put the lines down on var, easy to see from a still, favours the attacker, who is generally leaning forward.
Its a perfect solution.
Fast efficient and can be implemented with 100% fairness and accuracy
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What it doesn’t do is take into consideration the the frame rate and EXACT moment the ball leave the foot - the two factors make tiny marginal decisions pointless
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Except you still have those tiny marginal decisions before VAR. They were just less likely to be correct.
VAR is undoubtedly more accurate than the previous system.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That’s my point - VAR shouldn’t be used to look at minute details - simple question should be did they gain an advantage.
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That’s subjective though....
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Yes - and is much rather than them this ridiculous mm ‘factual’ outcome
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 2 hours, 44 minutes ago
comment by CutMeAndIBleedRed (U7593)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by CutMeAndIBleedRed (U7593)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 1 minute ago
Nothing unfair about moving offsides to the feet, quick to put the lines down on var, easy to see from a still, favours the attacker, who is generally leaning forward.
Its a perfect solution.
Fast efficient and can be implemented with 100% fairness and accuracy
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What it doesn’t do is take into consideration the the frame rate and EXACT moment the ball leave the foot - the two factors make tiny marginal decisions pointless
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Except you still have those tiny marginal decisions before VAR. They were just less likely to be correct.
VAR is undoubtedly more accurate than the previous system.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That’s my point - VAR shouldn’t be used to look at minute details - simple question should be did they gain an advantage.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If the ball goes in the back of the net they have gained an advantage
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That’s not true! I’ve seen players running from an offside position so they receive the ball onside - technically they are offside, but what advantage have they gained?! Offside is to stop goal hanging!
Mezut Ozil will always be offside because of his eyes!
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posted on 29/12/19
Seems fine to me, play ball!
posted on 29/12/19
It's a shambles. We have now had 2 for and 2 against and every time I have been left disappointed with the outcome.
In my opinion if you can't see from a still image with no imaginary lines that someone is offside it's not clear and obvious and shouldn't be overturned.
posted on 29/12/19
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posted on 29/12/19
It should be judged on the position of the foot, simple as that. That would take away any misinterpretation or doubt.
posted on 29/12/19
We aim for perfection
posted on 29/12/19
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posted on 29/12/19
That's why it's hard too b a ref in epl.
posted on 29/12/19
comment by 4Tsar (U22296)
posted 0 seconds ago
That would be a start but even that produces unfair decisions.
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Does it? All the controversial ones I’ve seen are other body parts, and the reason it’s so difficult to come to a decision is that those body parts are not in contact with the ground.
posted on 29/12/19
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you (U7905)
posted 3 minutes ago
It's a shambles. We have now had 2 for and 2 against and every time I have been left disappointed with the outcome.
In my opinion if you can't see from a still image with no imaginary lines that someone is offside it's not clear and obvious and shouldn't be overturned.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Exactly- if you have to draw stupid lines then it’s not clear and obvious!
posted on 29/12/19
Nothing unfair about moving offsides to the feet, quick to put the lines down on var, easy to see from a still, favours the attacker, who is generally leaning forward.
Its a perfect solution.
Fast efficient and can be implemented with 100% fairness and accuracy
posted on 29/12/19
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by 4Tsar (U22296)
posted 0 seconds ago
That would be a start but even that produces unfair decisions.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Does it? All the controversial ones I’ve seen are other body parts, and the reason it’s so difficult to come to a decision is that those body parts are not in contact with the ground.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I’d be interested to see how many of the borderline offsides were actually still borderline when they recurved the ball and are therefore gaining an advantage. I think VAR is looking at it the wrong way - offside has to be clear cut without VAR because you can’t judge the gaining advantage easily - with VAR this problem is solved!
posted on 29/12/19
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 1 minute ago
Nothing unfair about moving offsides to the feet, quick to put the lines down on var, easy to see from a still, favours the attacker, who is generally leaning forward.
Its a perfect solution.
Fast efficient and can be implemented with 100% fairness and accuracy
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What it doesn’t do is take into consideration the the frame rate and EXACT moment the ball leave the foot - the two factors make tiny marginal decisions pointless
posted on 29/12/19
comment by CutMeAndIBleedRed (U7593)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 1 minute ago
Nothing unfair about moving offsides to the feet, quick to put the lines down on var, easy to see from a still, favours the attacker, who is generally leaning forward.
Its a perfect solution.
Fast efficient and can be implemented with 100% fairness and accuracy
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What it doesn’t do is take into consideration the the frame rate and EXACT moment the ball leave the foot - the two factors make tiny marginal decisions pointless
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Except you still have those tiny marginal decisions before VAR. They were just less likely to be correct.
VAR is undoubtedly more accurate than the previous system.
posted on 29/12/19
On a more serious note, to me it looks like whatever technology they're using in the EPL for offside isn't fit for purpose with all these line drawing and armpit nonsense they do. In Europe and last WC I can't personally recall a specific controversial offside incident.
posted on 29/12/19
Surely if the entire ball needs to be over the line for it to be a goal/out of play, the entire player needs to be in an offside position for it to be offside??
posted on 29/12/19
Needs to be daylight between the players. Can’t say one part of the body is off and another isn’t
If you had a boner would it be offside?
posted on 29/12/19
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by CutMeAndIBleedRed (U7593)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 1 minute ago
Nothing unfair about moving offsides to the feet, quick to put the lines down on var, easy to see from a still, favours the attacker, who is generally leaning forward.
Its a perfect solution.
Fast efficient and can be implemented with 100% fairness and accuracy
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What it doesn’t do is take into consideration the the frame rate and EXACT moment the ball leave the foot - the two factors make tiny marginal decisions pointless
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Except you still have those tiny marginal decisions before VAR. They were just less likely to be correct.
VAR is undoubtedly more accurate than the previous system.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That’s my point - VAR shouldn’t be used to look at minute details - simple question should be did they gain an advantage.
posted on 29/12/19
comment by CutMeAndIBleedRed (U7593)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by CutMeAndIBleedRed (U7593)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 1 minute ago
Nothing unfair about moving offsides to the feet, quick to put the lines down on var, easy to see from a still, favours the attacker, who is generally leaning forward.
Its a perfect solution.
Fast efficient and can be implemented with 100% fairness and accuracy
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What it doesn’t do is take into consideration the the frame rate and EXACT moment the ball leave the foot - the two factors make tiny marginal decisions pointless
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Except you still have those tiny marginal decisions before VAR. They were just less likely to be correct.
VAR is undoubtedly more accurate than the previous system.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That’s my point - VAR shouldn’t be used to look at minute details - simple question should be did they gain an advantage.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That’s subjective though....
posted on 29/12/19
comment by TBone Steak Roysters (U3947)
posted 6 minutes ago
Needs to be daylight between the players. Can’t say one part of the body is off and another isn’t
If you had a boner would it be offside?
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Only if you scored with it!!!
posted on 29/12/19
comment by CutMeAndIBleedRed (U7593)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by CutMeAndIBleedRed (U7593)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 1 minute ago
Nothing unfair about moving offsides to the feet, quick to put the lines down on var, easy to see from a still, favours the attacker, who is generally leaning forward.
Its a perfect solution.
Fast efficient and can be implemented with 100% fairness and accuracy
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What it doesn’t do is take into consideration the the frame rate and EXACT moment the ball leave the foot - the two factors make tiny marginal decisions pointless
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Except you still have those tiny marginal decisions before VAR. They were just less likely to be correct.
VAR is undoubtedly more accurate than the previous system.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That’s my point - VAR shouldn’t be used to look at minute details - simple question should be did they gain an advantage.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If the ball goes in the back of the net they have gained an advantage
posted on 29/12/19
comment by Dunne was under Unger and I was over Dunne (U6037)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
comment by TBone Steak Roysters (U3947)
posted 6 minutes ago
Needs to be daylight between the players. Can’t say one part of the body is off and another isn’t
If you had a boner would it be offside?
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Only if you scored with it!!!
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Imagine scoring everytime you had a boner!
posted on 29/12/19
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 2 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by CutMeAndIBleedRed (U7593)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by CutMeAndIBleedRed (U7593)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 1 minute ago
Nothing unfair about moving offsides to the feet, quick to put the lines down on var, easy to see from a still, favours the attacker, who is generally leaning forward.
Its a perfect solution.
Fast efficient and can be implemented with 100% fairness and accuracy
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What it doesn’t do is take into consideration the the frame rate and EXACT moment the ball leave the foot - the two factors make tiny marginal decisions pointless
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Except you still have those tiny marginal decisions before VAR. They were just less likely to be correct.
VAR is undoubtedly more accurate than the previous system.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That’s my point - VAR shouldn’t be used to look at minute details - simple question should be did they gain an advantage.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That’s subjective though....
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes - and is much rather than them this ridiculous mm ‘factual’ outcome
posted on 29/12/19
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 2 hours, 44 minutes ago
comment by CutMeAndIBleedRed (U7593)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by CutMeAndIBleedRed (U7593)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 1 minute ago
Nothing unfair about moving offsides to the feet, quick to put the lines down on var, easy to see from a still, favours the attacker, who is generally leaning forward.
Its a perfect solution.
Fast efficient and can be implemented with 100% fairness and accuracy
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What it doesn’t do is take into consideration the the frame rate and EXACT moment the ball leave the foot - the two factors make tiny marginal decisions pointless
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Except you still have those tiny marginal decisions before VAR. They were just less likely to be correct.
VAR is undoubtedly more accurate than the previous system.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That’s my point - VAR shouldn’t be used to look at minute details - simple question should be did they gain an advantage.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If the ball goes in the back of the net they have gained an advantage
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That’s not true! I’ve seen players running from an offside position so they receive the ball onside - technically they are offside, but what advantage have they gained?! Offside is to stop goal hanging!
posted on 29/12/19
Mezut Ozil will always be offside because of his eyes!
posted on 29/12/19
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