I think he still needs one more season to refine himself before he makes the step up...can still be a bit headless
Only come of age at the top-level this season, at 24! (Still a bit of a loose cannon, mind).
Agree with both of you but pace and power is something we're severely lacking at the minute
I think he's improved a lot but there is still plenty room to get better.
He would be expensive though unless his deal is coming to an end.
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posted 36 minutes ago
I think he still needs one more season to refine himself before he makes the step up...can still be a bit headless
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People said same about Mane and look at him now. There will be a queue of clubs wanting him in summer and we need to be in it too.
Wolves also are super rich so selling is not forgone.
comment by (kash) I'm the Mané - 6 Times Baby (U1108)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 0... (U2720)
posted 36 minutes ago
I think he still needs one more season to refine himself before he makes the step up...can still be a bit headless
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People said same about Mane and look at him now. There will be a queue of clubs wanting him in summer and we need to be in it too.
Wolves also are super rich so selling is not forgone.
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You don't have room for him unless you're dropping Salah or one of Firminho or Mane.
Was saying yesterday morning on the Haven that he's a player I'd definitely be looking at this summer if we're looking to buy within the PL. Absolute beast.
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by (kash) I'm the Mané - 6 Times Baby (U1108)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 0... (U2720)
posted 36 minutes ago
I think he still needs one more season to refine himself before he makes the step up...can still be a bit headless
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People said same about Mane and look at him now. There will be a queue of clubs wanting him in summer and we need to be in it too.
Wolves also are super rich so selling is not forgone.
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You don't have room for him unless you're dropping Salah or one of Firminho or Mane.
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Rotation and AFCON in Jan/Feb next season
comment by (kash) I'm the Mané - 6 Times Baby (U1108)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 0... (U2720)
posted 36 minutes ago
I think he still needs one more season to refine himself before he makes the step up...can still be a bit headless
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People said same about Mane and look at him now. There will be a queue of clubs wanting him in summer and we need to be in it too.
Wolves also are super rich so selling is not forgone.
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Yeah but Mane came in as first choice...Traore wouldn't be and we'll only be stalling his development.
Teams like Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs & Utd can actually do with him but none of them are actually stable at the mo...so if I was him, I'd actually stay at Wolves...unless he wants a pay rise then he can move wherever he wants to.
"Agree with both of you but pace and power is something we're severely lacking at the minute"
Not pace and power that we are "severely lacking".
Clinicalism infront of goal is what we are devoid of, Traore doesn't help with that.
We've got younger attackers with superior deliveries and end product.
Henceforth, should only be targeting players that significantly improve the goalscoring front and team dynamic.
comment by (kash) I'm the Mané - 6 Times Baby (U1108)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by (kash) I'm the Mané - 6 Times Baby (U1108)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 0... (U2720)
posted 36 minutes ago
I think he still needs one more season to refine himself before he makes the step up...can still be a bit headless
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People said same about Mane and look at him now. There will be a queue of clubs wanting him in summer and we need to be in it too.
Wolves also are super rich so selling is not forgone.
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You don't have room for him unless you're dropping Salah or one of Firminho or Mane.
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Rotation and AFCON in Jan/Feb next season
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Does Klopp rotate his front three much for PL games? Those three play just about every single game. And I doubt it's a huge selling point for a player to just be a replacement for a month during the ACON.
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posted 24 minutes ago
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posted 22 minutes ago
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by (kash) I'm the Mané - 6 Times Baby (U1108)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 0... (U2720)
posted 36 minutes ago
I think he still needs one more season to refine himself before he makes the step up...can still be a bit headless
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People said same about Mane and look at him now. There will be a queue of clubs wanting him in summer and we need to be in it too.
Wolves also are super rich so selling is not forgone.
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You don't have room for him unless you're dropping Salah or one of Firminho or Mane.
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Rotation and AFCON in Jan/Feb next season
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Does Klopp rotate his front three much for PL games? Those three play just about every single game. And I doubt it's a huge selling point for a player to just be a replacement for a month during the ACON.
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They play because the drop in quality after then is a bit significant. I'm sure Klopp would love to able to rotate more if it didn't affect the levels.
However, we just signed Minamino so perhaps I can't see us going for him, unless Klopp wants to play Mina centrally.
oh what mockery i got for wanting to sign him from Boro
comment by The Noble Lord Flash (U8334)
posted 7 minutes ago
oh what mockery i got for wanting to sign him from Boro
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He would only have been part of your loan farm at that point.
comment by Klopptimus Prime (U1282)
posted 2 hours, 21 minutes ago
They play because the drop in quality after then is a bit significant. I'm sure Klopp would love to able to rotate more if it didn't affect the levels.
However, we just signed Minamino so perhaps I can't see us going for him, unless Klopp wants to play Mina centrally.
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Granted they're three top drawer forwards, but haven't others like Origi or Shaqiri stepped up quite often when you've needed them to?
On Traore, he's under contract until 2023. If he keeps up this form until the end of the season Wolves would probably expect a stupid fee for a player who's only recently started to deliver on what's been years of promise.
And even as good as his recent form might have been, his strike rate is pathetic and even when you factor in assists his overall return is still pretty poor.
You obviously need to take some risks in today's market, but I wouldn't go near him for now.
Tifofootball recently did a video advocating us signing him. Hadn't considered it till they did but it's not ridiculous thinking about it. Would be a good like for like Willian replacement, both very direct wing players.
I'd give it till the summer at least, he's beginning to add end product to his game now but it could just be a purple patch. Worth consideration though.
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 17 minutes ago
Tifofootball recently did a video advocating us signing him. Hadn't considered it till they did but it's not ridiculous thinking about it. Would be a good like for like Willian replacement, both very direct wing players.
I'd give it till the summer at least, he's beginning to add end product to his game now but it could just be a purple patch. Worth consideration though.
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To be fair crossing into Jimenez who is a beast in the air will be helping him.
If that was Abraham, he'd have half the assists.
comment by Chelseamf™®© (U1677)
posted 6 hours, 1 minute ago
We've got younger attackers with superior deliveries and end product.
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Who - CHO? He seems to have a lot of fans for someone who has produced so little up to this point. He certainly hasn’t proven himself to have a better end product than Traore. He has potential - but that’s it so far.
Not that I think we’ll target Traore anyway - that ship has sailed. Wolves don’t need to sell, he’s on a long contract, and he looks like he’s enjoying himself. He’s an exciting player to watch though.
comment by BlueJ2 (U4630)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Chelseamf™®© (U1677)
posted 6 hours, 1 minute ago
We've got younger attackers with superior deliveries and end product.
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Who - CHO? He seems to have a lot of fans for someone who has produced so little up to this point. He certainly hasn’t proven himself to have a better end product than Traore. He has potential - but that’s it so far.
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Oh god no.
Run mate
"Who - CHO? He seems to have a lot of fans for someone who has produced so little up to this point. He certainly hasn’t proven himself to have a better end product than Traore. He has potential - but that’s it so far."
Well that''s far from the truth, real support for him are in the minority.
There are a lot that still hold a (senseless) grudge against him, usually the ones that were staunch Sarri defenders (for the perceived way he handled the contract), which clouds their judgment.
Seen a fair few braindead misinformed and uninformed remarks regarding Callum, pre-injury and especially post-injury.
Now on the subject of you claiming "Cho hasn’t proven himself to have a better end product than Traore.", only have to look at both their outputs in Europa as evidence for starters, same type of opponents...Callum with the limited opportunities he got on the pitch always produced with direct contributions in that competition (numbers stats speak for themselves).
If only he wasn't grossly mismanaged last season, we'd be better off now.
That was Callum in his debut season.
It is clear for anyone that isn't blind that Callum has proven himself to have better end product just from visually watching him & sheer numbers when he starts matches (all competitions), consistently produces high-quality contributions whether that be from the left or right...speed of thought/play, vision and the ease at he can which he can make switching play with pinpoint accuracy look easy like it's nothing is remarkable and only just marginally behind Reece when it comes to delivering crosses (is on a different planet to Traore's) hence revered by team-mates & coaches for his talent & application.
Traore failed to do at the same age...only just about started now to produce end product (still question marks).
Fast-tracked to Chelsea first-team (without a loan) and England squad (having barely played) for those reasons.
Abundant amount of depth to his play and tremendous multifaceted ability hasn't even scratched the surface yet.
Will always get my support over petty inane remarks
Glad with the way current management has nurtured Callum (and many other players). Extremely fulfilling and refreshing.
In the wrong hands...Sarri, Conte, Mourinho (managers of that ilk) could have turned out badly.
Would have lost one of our greatest (generational) talents and Reece would never get a look-in probably loaned again (Hysaj bought), If the first one was still charge.
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posted on 24/1/20
I think he still needs one more season to refine himself before he makes the step up...can still be a bit headless
posted on 24/1/20
Only come of age at the top-level this season, at 24! (Still a bit of a loose cannon, mind).
posted on 24/1/20
Agree with both of you but pace and power is something we're severely lacking at the minute
posted on 24/1/20
I think he's improved a lot but there is still plenty room to get better.
He would be expensive though unless his deal is coming to an end.
posted on 24/1/20
comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 0... (U2720)
posted 36 minutes ago
I think he still needs one more season to refine himself before he makes the step up...can still be a bit headless
----------------------------------------------------------------------
People said same about Mane and look at him now. There will be a queue of clubs wanting him in summer and we need to be in it too.
Wolves also are super rich so selling is not forgone.
posted on 24/1/20
comment by (kash) I'm the Mané - 6 Times Baby (U1108)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 0... (U2720)
posted 36 minutes ago
I think he still needs one more season to refine himself before he makes the step up...can still be a bit headless
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People said same about Mane and look at him now. There will be a queue of clubs wanting him in summer and we need to be in it too.
Wolves also are super rich so selling is not forgone.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You don't have room for him unless you're dropping Salah or one of Firminho or Mane.
posted on 24/1/20
Was saying yesterday morning on the Haven that he's a player I'd definitely be looking at this summer if we're looking to buy within the PL. Absolute beast.
posted on 24/1/20
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by (kash) I'm the Mané - 6 Times Baby (U1108)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 0... (U2720)
posted 36 minutes ago
I think he still needs one more season to refine himself before he makes the step up...can still be a bit headless
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People said same about Mane and look at him now. There will be a queue of clubs wanting him in summer and we need to be in it too.
Wolves also are super rich so selling is not forgone.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You don't have room for him unless you're dropping Salah or one of Firminho or Mane.
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Rotation and AFCON in Jan/Feb next season
posted on 24/1/20
comment by (kash) I'm the Mané - 6 Times Baby (U1108)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 0... (U2720)
posted 36 minutes ago
I think he still needs one more season to refine himself before he makes the step up...can still be a bit headless
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People said same about Mane and look at him now. There will be a queue of clubs wanting him in summer and we need to be in it too.
Wolves also are super rich so selling is not forgone.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah but Mane came in as first choice...Traore wouldn't be and we'll only be stalling his development.
Teams like Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs & Utd can actually do with him but none of them are actually stable at the mo...so if I was him, I'd actually stay at Wolves...unless he wants a pay rise then he can move wherever he wants to.
posted on 24/1/20
"Agree with both of you but pace and power is something we're severely lacking at the minute"
Not pace and power that we are "severely lacking".
Clinicalism infront of goal is what we are devoid of, Traore doesn't help with that.
We've got younger attackers with superior deliveries and end product.
Henceforth, should only be targeting players that significantly improve the goalscoring front and team dynamic.
posted on 24/1/20
comment by (kash) I'm the Mané - 6 Times Baby (U1108)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by (kash) I'm the Mané - 6 Times Baby (U1108)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 0... (U2720)
posted 36 minutes ago
I think he still needs one more season to refine himself before he makes the step up...can still be a bit headless
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People said same about Mane and look at him now. There will be a queue of clubs wanting him in summer and we need to be in it too.
Wolves also are super rich so selling is not forgone.
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You don't have room for him unless you're dropping Salah or one of Firminho or Mane.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Rotation and AFCON in Jan/Feb next season
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Does Klopp rotate his front three much for PL games? Those three play just about every single game. And I doubt it's a huge selling point for a player to just be a replacement for a month during the ACON.
posted on 24/1/20
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by (kash) I'm the Mané - 6 Times Baby (U1108)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by (kash) I'm the Mané - 6 Times Baby (U1108)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 0... (U2720)
posted 36 minutes ago
I think he still needs one more season to refine himself before he makes the step up...can still be a bit headless
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People said same about Mane and look at him now. There will be a queue of clubs wanting him in summer and we need to be in it too.
Wolves also are super rich so selling is not forgone.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You don't have room for him unless you're dropping Salah or one of Firminho or Mane.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Rotation and AFCON in Jan/Feb next season
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Does Klopp rotate his front three much for PL games? Those three play just about every single game. And I doubt it's a huge selling point for a player to just be a replacement for a month during the ACON.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They play because the drop in quality after then is a bit significant. I'm sure Klopp would love to able to rotate more if it didn't affect the levels.
However, we just signed Minamino so perhaps I can't see us going for him, unless Klopp wants to play Mina centrally.
posted on 24/1/20
Flavour of the month ?
posted on 24/1/20
oh what mockery i got for wanting to sign him from Boro
posted on 24/1/20
comment by The Noble Lord Flash (U8334)
posted 7 minutes ago
oh what mockery i got for wanting to sign him from Boro
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He would only have been part of your loan farm at that point.
posted on 24/1/20
comment by Klopptimus Prime (U1282)
posted 2 hours, 21 minutes ago
They play because the drop in quality after then is a bit significant. I'm sure Klopp would love to able to rotate more if it didn't affect the levels.
However, we just signed Minamino so perhaps I can't see us going for him, unless Klopp wants to play Mina centrally.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Granted they're three top drawer forwards, but haven't others like Origi or Shaqiri stepped up quite often when you've needed them to?
posted on 24/1/20
On Traore, he's under contract until 2023. If he keeps up this form until the end of the season Wolves would probably expect a stupid fee for a player who's only recently started to deliver on what's been years of promise.
And even as good as his recent form might have been, his strike rate is pathetic and even when you factor in assists his overall return is still pretty poor.
You obviously need to take some risks in today's market, but I wouldn't go near him for now.
posted on 24/1/20
Tifofootball recently did a video advocating us signing him. Hadn't considered it till they did but it's not ridiculous thinking about it. Would be a good like for like Willian replacement, both very direct wing players.
I'd give it till the summer at least, he's beginning to add end product to his game now but it could just be a purple patch. Worth consideration though.
posted on 24/1/20
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 17 minutes ago
Tifofootball recently did a video advocating us signing him. Hadn't considered it till they did but it's not ridiculous thinking about it. Would be a good like for like Willian replacement, both very direct wing players.
I'd give it till the summer at least, he's beginning to add end product to his game now but it could just be a purple patch. Worth consideration though.
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To be fair crossing into Jimenez who is a beast in the air will be helping him.
If that was Abraham, he'd have half the assists.
posted on 24/1/20
comment by Chelseamf™®© (U1677)
posted 6 hours, 1 minute ago
We've got younger attackers with superior deliveries and end product.
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Who - CHO? He seems to have a lot of fans for someone who has produced so little up to this point. He certainly hasn’t proven himself to have a better end product than Traore. He has potential - but that’s it so far.
Not that I think we’ll target Traore anyway - that ship has sailed. Wolves don’t need to sell, he’s on a long contract, and he looks like he’s enjoying himself. He’s an exciting player to watch though.
posted on 24/1/20
comment by BlueJ2 (U4630)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Chelseamf™®© (U1677)
posted 6 hours, 1 minute ago
We've got younger attackers with superior deliveries and end product.
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Who - CHO? He seems to have a lot of fans for someone who has produced so little up to this point. He certainly hasn’t proven himself to have a better end product than Traore. He has potential - but that’s it so far.
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Oh god no.
Run mate
posted on 24/1/20
"Who - CHO? He seems to have a lot of fans for someone who has produced so little up to this point. He certainly hasn’t proven himself to have a better end product than Traore. He has potential - but that’s it so far."
Well that''s far from the truth, real support for him are in the minority.
There are a lot that still hold a (senseless) grudge against him, usually the ones that were staunch Sarri defenders (for the perceived way he handled the contract), which clouds their judgment.
Seen a fair few braindead misinformed and uninformed remarks regarding Callum, pre-injury and especially post-injury.
Now on the subject of you claiming "Cho hasn’t proven himself to have a better end product than Traore.", only have to look at both their outputs in Europa as evidence for starters, same type of opponents...Callum with the limited opportunities he got on the pitch always produced with direct contributions in that competition (numbers stats speak for themselves).
If only he wasn't grossly mismanaged last season, we'd be better off now.
That was Callum in his debut season.
It is clear for anyone that isn't blind that Callum has proven himself to have better end product just from visually watching him & sheer numbers when he starts matches (all competitions), consistently produces high-quality contributions whether that be from the left or right...speed of thought/play, vision and the ease at he can which he can make switching play with pinpoint accuracy look easy like it's nothing is remarkable and only just marginally behind Reece when it comes to delivering crosses (is on a different planet to Traore's) hence revered by team-mates & coaches for his talent & application.
Traore failed to do at the same age...only just about started now to produce end product (still question marks).
Fast-tracked to Chelsea first-team (without a loan) and England squad (having barely played) for those reasons.
Abundant amount of depth to his play and tremendous multifaceted ability hasn't even scratched the surface yet.
Will always get my support over petty inane remarks
posted on 24/1/20
Glad with the way current management has nurtured Callum (and many other players). Extremely fulfilling and refreshing.
In the wrong hands...Sarri, Conte, Mourinho (managers of that ilk) could have turned out badly.
Would have lost one of our greatest (generational) talents and Reece would never get a look-in probably loaned again (Hysaj bought), If the first one was still charge.
posted on 24/1/20
BlueJ2, I warned you
posted on 24/1/20
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