I think he is a quality coach. I do think he will prove to be a good appointment for us.
I don't think this is down to arteta not being good enough. The players he has just aren't good enough.
Wenger tried, emery tried, arteta is trying but having no luck. I think klopp or even the best managers would find it hard to do anything with the squad.
Its the worst squad we've had and they just aren't good enough to reach the level we want.
Majority of the squad need sold off and replaced with playerd that are good enough. This is why the board need to give artea the necessary funds to bring in players good enough.
I believe with the right players, arteta will succeed.
I agree with the above.
Not meant as a slight or dig at you boys but this is the waekest arsenal team probably in the PL era.
Just years of attrition on the squad, good players leaving, players like ozil and bellering ageing or inuries taking their toll.
arteta has his work cut out.
This is Arteta's first ever job in management. There have been incremental improvements in style of play, cohesion, defensive awareness and positioning. But we are still struggling to create chances. However, this is something that has been a huge issue that preceded Arteta's appointment.
We cannot underestimate the adverse impact Emery had at Arsenal. Players deployed out of position; no coherent game plan; players baffled by his ideas; a new XI and formation every week; one-dimensional tactics.
18 months of this, in addition to two horrendous years of meek performances under Wenger previously, is not easy to overturn.
There are a multitude of issues in the squad, both in terms of personnel and mentality, that Arteta needs to address.
It won't be a quick fix. And I suspect some of these issues won't even be fully sorted by next season. But we have to see tangible improvement and a clear direction; something we have lacked for far too long.
Trust the process is all I can say. We've not got much choice anyway.
It's annoying that 90% of teams that get new managers have a new manager bounce except Arsenal! We are in that small percentage of teams that don't.
I keep telling you people it all starts with Ozil out of the team but you won't have it
Yesterday was VINTAGE Ozil. Interested for the first half hour, ya know, when nobody from the other team stood within 10 yards of him and nobody closed him down when he got the ball. As soon as he got marked, he vacated the middle of park and his on the wing until taken off. Wenger offset this by playing him on the wing where it limits damage to one side. Emery solved the Ozil problem early on WHEN HE DROPPED HIM but injury forced his hand. He committed AFC career suicide when he returned him to the starting 11.
Here we are, poor Arteta now shaping up to become management mug number three, essentially because Ozil fanboys continue to unjustifiably back him and drown out any e correctly calling for his removal from the team, by yelling about other players all the time. Since the Wenger arrived, AFC set it's stall out using a fast paced, dynamic, high pressing attack. Arsenal football was synonymous with this approach, regardless of playing staff. And we remained in the top four for 20 years, with a crap defence for at least 10 of those, as a direct result of this approach.
That approach is DEAD with Ozil in the team. Aside from failing to press effectively, he also slows counter attack transition if marked out of a killer pass. No killer pass on, sideways or back. The approach requires a CAM who will RUN the ball 10 or 20 yards, to break open those killer pass doors. PL teams as a general rule, all started marking and pressing Ozil heavily, straight after his record setting season. He has been null and void ever since, doing just enough to secure his payday. NO PL team is going to let up on him for more than one half. They'll ALL continue to mark him and give him no time. THIS IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE AND NEITHER IS OZIL'S LACK OF CONTRIBUTION! ALL ROADS TO WINNING FORM START AT OR CROSS PATHS WITH REMOVING HIM FROM THE TEAM!
*As proven by Emery last season when he got us into CL places by dropping Ozil and getting to 3rd. Only for Ozil to p!as it away for everyone (wasting their laudable effort). You've literally SEEN THE PROOF that Ozil needs to be permanently dropped with your own eyes for years. Just a matter of paying attention to it. Gotta stop them fanboys diverting your eyes to other people all the Tim.
comment by Samir (U2630)
posted 33 minutes ago
This is Arteta's first ever job in management. There have been incremental improvements in style of play, cohesion, defensive awareness and positioning. But we are still struggling to create chances. However, this is something that has been a huge issue that preceded Arteta's appointment.
We cannot underestimate the adverse impact Emery had at Arsenal. Players deployed out of position; no coherent game plan; players baffled by his ideas; a new XI and formation every week; one-dimensional tactics.
18 months of this, in addition to two horrendous years of meek performances under Wenger previously, is not easy to overturn.
There are a multitude of issues in the squad, both in terms of personnel and mentality, that Arteta needs to address.
It won't be a quick fix. And I suspect some of these issues won't even be fully sorted by next season. But we have to see tangible improvement and a clear direction; something we have lacked for far too long.
Trust the process is all I can say. We've not got much choice anyway.
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More like you SHOULD NOT underestimate the adverse effect of Ozil's "350k a week for nothing but throwing games away" presence. You can't pin, the same major problem Wenger had on Emery's presence. He had nothing to do with Ozil being here and when it was ultimately left up to him, he dropped him and put some fight back in the team, improving results. OZIL blew that, Emery wasn't playing those 7 games for Ramsey, he was. Our issue pervade from OZIL OUTWARD! So none of them can be fixed properly with him in the team. He was a thorn in the side of. BOTH managers and is fast becoming one for Arteta too.
comment by Arsenal_49 (U10665)
posted 15 minutes ago
It's annoying that 90% of teams that get new managers have a new manager bounce except Arsenal! We are in that small percentage of teams that don't.
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No manager bounce big enough to carry...????
Are you seriously going to pin the root causes of our issues on one player? Come on now.
It's the club's fault for offering Ozil the £350k per week contract. Ozil isn't the one who picks himself in the team. Ozil didn't write up that contract either.
The club tried to save face from potentially losing both Sanchez and Ozil on free transfers. If either player had no intention of signing new contracts 18-24 months earlier, we should have been looking to sell them then. What we did was absolutely the wrong thing to do.
As it is, we are stuck with a player who we don't want that is on ridiculous money. Meanwhile, both us/United drew the short straw for the Sanchez-Mkhitaryan swap.
The previous regime have a lot to answer for. There is no escaping that.
The club's hierarchy created this situation for themselves. They are the key culprits here.
Give the bloke a chance ffs. He's only been in the job for two months and as Arteta put it himself. He hasn't really been working on any tactical improvements. All he has been doing is working on our shape to keep us more compact so we don't concede as easily.
comment by Samir (U2630)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
Are you seriously going to pin the root causes of our issues on one player? Come on now.
It's the club's fault for offering Ozil the £350k per week contract. Ozil isn't the one who picks himself in the team. Ozil didn't write up that contract either.
The club tried to save face from potentially losing both Sanchez and Ozil on free transfers. If either player had no intention of signing new contracts 18-24 months earlier, we should have been looking to sell them then. What we did was absolutely the wrong thing to do.
As it is, we are stuck with a player who we don't want that is on ridiculous money. Meanwhile, both us/United drew the short straw for the Sanchez-Mkhitaryan swap.
The previous regime have a lot to answer for. There is no escaping that.
The club's hierarchy created this situation for themselves. They are the key culprits here.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And yet everything you have just mentioned could have been rendered moot in Ozil's case, had he just done his job the last 5 years. He could have just put in 100k a week effort for that time and we'd not be in this big a mess. Seriously last season summed it up. You can't blame that on regime, manager or anything else but Ozil being a and throwing away the CL.
I'm not blaming all issues to date on Ozil. For a start it is IDIOT FANS CALLING FOR IT which saw him kept in desperation, on a ridiculous contract he had no business being offered. Those same idiot fans then pretty much forced Emery to let him play this season, calling for it. And they've KEPT ON with saying he should be 1st choice. Despite all barr one performance from him this season saying what I am.
This is about Ozil being a problem installed years ago. The same problem has PLAGUED the team since. It's cost wins and draws, causing losses which wouldn't have occurred without it. It's a BLINDINGLY OBVIOUS AND PERSISTENT PROBLEM! One that effectively tugs on every lose thread in the team at the same time. Exacerbating every other issue on the pitch. Think of the team like a human body. Wenger and the regime made it I'll at the end and one of the last mistakes was infecting it with a virus (Ozil) this virus promptly made the body sicker and is keeping it to weak to heal. The body cannot and will not truly begin to recover, as long as the virus is still there.
THAT IS Arsenal FC. We have the CoronOzil virus and the team won't recover until it's gone
* I'll not I'll and too not to
All those things you mention are down to the management and upper echelons of the club though, WB2. Ozil didn't throw away the CL. That was Emery and the team collectively. It was down to the lack of quality and feeble mentality that still lingers around the club. If you want to be pointing the finger at individual players, Mustafi and Xhaka were two of the main culprits who made shocking mistakes in that critical end-of-season-run.
Emery may have been pressured to start him by the fans, but, as manager, you can't just cave into the fans demands. You have to show why you're the manager and that you know better than us. Fanbases will never be consistent in what they want. Emery failed to stamp his authority when it mattered.
I agree with you that Ozil shouldn't be at the club. But we gave a 28-year old a 4 year deal on £350k per-week wages out of desperation. Unless someone is willing to pay that, he will still be an Arsenal player. It isn't his fault we chose to give him that money. Why were we even in a situation where he could bend us over a barrel like that?
The point is there are wider systemic issues here that lie beyond Ozil.
I want him off the wage bill. The bigger problem is the mishandling of his contractual situation, and that of many of our other big name players who left for frees/paltry fees.
Poor recruitment, bad squad management, bad managerial appointments, no clear direction from the top and a lack of pro-activeness are the main reasons for our current malaise.
We were shipping goals by the bucketload before Arteta took over. And we've only conceded more than one goal in a game on two occasions since then.
First time was the last minute collapse after he'd just taken over, and the second time was as a result of playing an entire hour with 10 men.
The turnaround has been massive, imo.
My point is simply, let's start with just getting him out of the team or at least starting 11. The contract was a big mistake but it's one we're continually compounding with every game we put him in for. It is utterly pointless and hugely counterproductive to keep on selecting any player you KNOW is going to not even TRY to play. We've reached the point of dead horse flogging madness. It's a football team not a donut, it's not supposed to have a gaping hole in the middle of it.
What I'm saying makes far more sense if people would stop reading it as "Getting rid of Ozil will solve all the teams problems." That's not what I'm saying at all, it's "Getting Ozil out of the team is a must, to get it stable whilst we solve the problems we have. His presence only multiplies those problems. So much so, that going forward ANY ONE of the other Snr CAMs we have, is a better option. Dropping Ozil is a quick easy and effective solution to both the problems he directly causes but more importantly, the ones created indirectly by his presence. Like rendering us near hopeless at effectively pressing a ball and marauding MFs and strikers running unchecked at our defence. Those are two serious game losing issues right there, which disappear from the team along with him.
whiny sharticle. Go away.
We're unbeaten in the last 7 games and 2020. Still getting too many draws but better draws than losing. What I cant forgive Arteta is his making Xhaka a nailed on starter every game again. I thought we were finally getting rid of him. As Ive said under my various user names its no coincidence that we dropped out of and stayed out of the top 4 after he joined us.
Been an improvement under arteta but we are still pretty toothless up top.
We create 1 or 2 chances per game
comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
Been an improvement under arteta but we are still pretty toothless up top.
We create 1 or 2 chances per game
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What Ozil has supposedly been played all season to change. Xhaka being a nailed on starter for now isn't a problem, so long as he's paired with Torreira. Goes pear with Guen because that pits Xhaka in the DM role. The reduction in goals conceded is down to Xhaka with Torreira instead of Xhaka/Torriera with Guen. And Mustafi being put at CB so we can't competently play the ball out.
People want to ship out the very players responsible for the defence beginning to sort itself out. NONE of those players can be allowed to leave the club until we have replacements for them. We can kick the CAM tomorrow though. Just needs Arteta to have to stones to say "I don't give a damn how much we pay him, he's not playing because he's been sh!t all season and couldn't care less about winning games" Only time will tell if he's got em.
Ozil has been sheet of late but Willock isn't the answer. Neither is ceballos
Arteta will do good anyone says otherwise doesn’t understand the game just give him time at least four seasons which must improve every season.
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posted on 3/2/20
I think he is a quality coach. I do think he will prove to be a good appointment for us.
I don't think this is down to arteta not being good enough. The players he has just aren't good enough.
Wenger tried, emery tried, arteta is trying but having no luck. I think klopp or even the best managers would find it hard to do anything with the squad.
Its the worst squad we've had and they just aren't good enough to reach the level we want.
Majority of the squad need sold off and replaced with playerd that are good enough. This is why the board need to give artea the necessary funds to bring in players good enough.
I believe with the right players, arteta will succeed.
posted on 3/2/20
I agree with the above.
Not meant as a slight or dig at you boys but this is the waekest arsenal team probably in the PL era.
Just years of attrition on the squad, good players leaving, players like ozil and bellering ageing or inuries taking their toll.
arteta has his work cut out.
posted on 3/2/20
This is Arteta's first ever job in management. There have been incremental improvements in style of play, cohesion, defensive awareness and positioning. But we are still struggling to create chances. However, this is something that has been a huge issue that preceded Arteta's appointment.
We cannot underestimate the adverse impact Emery had at Arsenal. Players deployed out of position; no coherent game plan; players baffled by his ideas; a new XI and formation every week; one-dimensional tactics.
18 months of this, in addition to two horrendous years of meek performances under Wenger previously, is not easy to overturn.
There are a multitude of issues in the squad, both in terms of personnel and mentality, that Arteta needs to address.
It won't be a quick fix. And I suspect some of these issues won't even be fully sorted by next season. But we have to see tangible improvement and a clear direction; something we have lacked for far too long.
Trust the process is all I can say. We've not got much choice anyway.
posted on 3/2/20
It's annoying that 90% of teams that get new managers have a new manager bounce except Arsenal! We are in that small percentage of teams that don't.
posted on 3/2/20
I keep telling you people it all starts with Ozil out of the team but you won't have it
Yesterday was VINTAGE Ozil. Interested for the first half hour, ya know, when nobody from the other team stood within 10 yards of him and nobody closed him down when he got the ball. As soon as he got marked, he vacated the middle of park and his on the wing until taken off. Wenger offset this by playing him on the wing where it limits damage to one side. Emery solved the Ozil problem early on WHEN HE DROPPED HIM but injury forced his hand. He committed AFC career suicide when he returned him to the starting 11.
Here we are, poor Arteta now shaping up to become management mug number three, essentially because Ozil fanboys continue to unjustifiably back him and drown out any e correctly calling for his removal from the team, by yelling about other players all the time. Since the Wenger arrived, AFC set it's stall out using a fast paced, dynamic, high pressing attack. Arsenal football was synonymous with this approach, regardless of playing staff. And we remained in the top four for 20 years, with a crap defence for at least 10 of those, as a direct result of this approach.
That approach is DEAD with Ozil in the team. Aside from failing to press effectively, he also slows counter attack transition if marked out of a killer pass. No killer pass on, sideways or back. The approach requires a CAM who will RUN the ball 10 or 20 yards, to break open those killer pass doors. PL teams as a general rule, all started marking and pressing Ozil heavily, straight after his record setting season. He has been null and void ever since, doing just enough to secure his payday. NO PL team is going to let up on him for more than one half. They'll ALL continue to mark him and give him no time. THIS IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE AND NEITHER IS OZIL'S LACK OF CONTRIBUTION! ALL ROADS TO WINNING FORM START AT OR CROSS PATHS WITH REMOVING HIM FROM THE TEAM!
*As proven by Emery last season when he got us into CL places by dropping Ozil and getting to 3rd. Only for Ozil to p!as it away for everyone (wasting their laudable effort). You've literally SEEN THE PROOF that Ozil needs to be permanently dropped with your own eyes for years. Just a matter of paying attention to it. Gotta stop them fanboys diverting your eyes to other people all the Tim.
posted on 3/2/20
comment by Samir (U2630)
posted 33 minutes ago
This is Arteta's first ever job in management. There have been incremental improvements in style of play, cohesion, defensive awareness and positioning. But we are still struggling to create chances. However, this is something that has been a huge issue that preceded Arteta's appointment.
We cannot underestimate the adverse impact Emery had at Arsenal. Players deployed out of position; no coherent game plan; players baffled by his ideas; a new XI and formation every week; one-dimensional tactics.
18 months of this, in addition to two horrendous years of meek performances under Wenger previously, is not easy to overturn.
There are a multitude of issues in the squad, both in terms of personnel and mentality, that Arteta needs to address.
It won't be a quick fix. And I suspect some of these issues won't even be fully sorted by next season. But we have to see tangible improvement and a clear direction; something we have lacked for far too long.
Trust the process is all I can say. We've not got much choice anyway.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
More like you SHOULD NOT underestimate the adverse effect of Ozil's "350k a week for nothing but throwing games away" presence. You can't pin, the same major problem Wenger had on Emery's presence. He had nothing to do with Ozil being here and when it was ultimately left up to him, he dropped him and put some fight back in the team, improving results. OZIL blew that, Emery wasn't playing those 7 games for Ramsey, he was. Our issue pervade from OZIL OUTWARD! So none of them can be fixed properly with him in the team. He was a thorn in the side of. BOTH managers and is fast becoming one for Arteta too.
posted on 3/2/20
comment by Arsenal_49 (U10665)
posted 15 minutes ago
It's annoying that 90% of teams that get new managers have a new manager bounce except Arsenal! We are in that small percentage of teams that don't.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No manager bounce big enough to carry...????
posted on 3/2/20
Are you seriously going to pin the root causes of our issues on one player? Come on now.
It's the club's fault for offering Ozil the £350k per week contract. Ozil isn't the one who picks himself in the team. Ozil didn't write up that contract either.
The club tried to save face from potentially losing both Sanchez and Ozil on free transfers. If either player had no intention of signing new contracts 18-24 months earlier, we should have been looking to sell them then. What we did was absolutely the wrong thing to do.
As it is, we are stuck with a player who we don't want that is on ridiculous money. Meanwhile, both us/United drew the short straw for the Sanchez-Mkhitaryan swap.
The previous regime have a lot to answer for. There is no escaping that.
The club's hierarchy created this situation for themselves. They are the key culprits here.
posted on 3/2/20
Give the bloke a chance ffs. He's only been in the job for two months and as Arteta put it himself. He hasn't really been working on any tactical improvements. All he has been doing is working on our shape to keep us more compact so we don't concede as easily.
posted on 3/2/20
comment by Samir (U2630)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
Are you seriously going to pin the root causes of our issues on one player? Come on now.
It's the club's fault for offering Ozil the £350k per week contract. Ozil isn't the one who picks himself in the team. Ozil didn't write up that contract either.
The club tried to save face from potentially losing both Sanchez and Ozil on free transfers. If either player had no intention of signing new contracts 18-24 months earlier, we should have been looking to sell them then. What we did was absolutely the wrong thing to do.
As it is, we are stuck with a player who we don't want that is on ridiculous money. Meanwhile, both us/United drew the short straw for the Sanchez-Mkhitaryan swap.
The previous regime have a lot to answer for. There is no escaping that.
The club's hierarchy created this situation for themselves. They are the key culprits here.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And yet everything you have just mentioned could have been rendered moot in Ozil's case, had he just done his job the last 5 years. He could have just put in 100k a week effort for that time and we'd not be in this big a mess. Seriously last season summed it up. You can't blame that on regime, manager or anything else but Ozil being a and throwing away the CL.
I'm not blaming all issues to date on Ozil. For a start it is IDIOT FANS CALLING FOR IT which saw him kept in desperation, on a ridiculous contract he had no business being offered. Those same idiot fans then pretty much forced Emery to let him play this season, calling for it. And they've KEPT ON with saying he should be 1st choice. Despite all barr one performance from him this season saying what I am.
This is about Ozil being a problem installed years ago. The same problem has PLAGUED the team since. It's cost wins and draws, causing losses which wouldn't have occurred without it. It's a BLINDINGLY OBVIOUS AND PERSISTENT PROBLEM! One that effectively tugs on every lose thread in the team at the same time. Exacerbating every other issue on the pitch. Think of the team like a human body. Wenger and the regime made it I'll at the end and one of the last mistakes was infecting it with a virus (Ozil) this virus promptly made the body sicker and is keeping it to weak to heal. The body cannot and will not truly begin to recover, as long as the virus is still there.
THAT IS Arsenal FC. We have the CoronOzil virus and the team won't recover until it's gone
posted on 3/2/20
* I'll not I'll and too not to
posted on 3/2/20
All those things you mention are down to the management and upper echelons of the club though, WB2. Ozil didn't throw away the CL. That was Emery and the team collectively. It was down to the lack of quality and feeble mentality that still lingers around the club. If you want to be pointing the finger at individual players, Mustafi and Xhaka were two of the main culprits who made shocking mistakes in that critical end-of-season-run.
Emery may have been pressured to start him by the fans, but, as manager, you can't just cave into the fans demands. You have to show why you're the manager and that you know better than us. Fanbases will never be consistent in what they want. Emery failed to stamp his authority when it mattered.
I agree with you that Ozil shouldn't be at the club. But we gave a 28-year old a 4 year deal on £350k per-week wages out of desperation. Unless someone is willing to pay that, he will still be an Arsenal player. It isn't his fault we chose to give him that money. Why were we even in a situation where he could bend us over a barrel like that?
The point is there are wider systemic issues here that lie beyond Ozil.
I want him off the wage bill. The bigger problem is the mishandling of his contractual situation, and that of many of our other big name players who left for frees/paltry fees.
Poor recruitment, bad squad management, bad managerial appointments, no clear direction from the top and a lack of pro-activeness are the main reasons for our current malaise.
posted on 3/2/20
We were shipping goals by the bucketload before Arteta took over. And we've only conceded more than one goal in a game on two occasions since then.
First time was the last minute collapse after he'd just taken over, and the second time was as a result of playing an entire hour with 10 men.
The turnaround has been massive, imo.
posted on 3/2/20
My point is simply, let's start with just getting him out of the team or at least starting 11. The contract was a big mistake but it's one we're continually compounding with every game we put him in for. It is utterly pointless and hugely counterproductive to keep on selecting any player you KNOW is going to not even TRY to play. We've reached the point of dead horse flogging madness. It's a football team not a donut, it's not supposed to have a gaping hole in the middle of it.
What I'm saying makes far more sense if people would stop reading it as "Getting rid of Ozil will solve all the teams problems." That's not what I'm saying at all, it's "Getting Ozil out of the team is a must, to get it stable whilst we solve the problems we have. His presence only multiplies those problems. So much so, that going forward ANY ONE of the other Snr CAMs we have, is a better option. Dropping Ozil is a quick easy and effective solution to both the problems he directly causes but more importantly, the ones created indirectly by his presence. Like rendering us near hopeless at effectively pressing a ball and marauding MFs and strikers running unchecked at our defence. Those are two serious game losing issues right there, which disappear from the team along with him.
posted on 3/2/20
whiny sharticle. Go away.
posted on 3/2/20
We're unbeaten in the last 7 games and 2020. Still getting too many draws but better draws than losing. What I cant forgive Arteta is his making Xhaka a nailed on starter every game again. I thought we were finally getting rid of him. As Ive said under my various user names its no coincidence that we dropped out of and stayed out of the top 4 after he joined us.
posted on 3/2/20
Been an improvement under arteta but we are still pretty toothless up top.
We create 1 or 2 chances per game
posted on 3/2/20
comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
Been an improvement under arteta but we are still pretty toothless up top.
We create 1 or 2 chances per game
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What Ozil has supposedly been played all season to change. Xhaka being a nailed on starter for now isn't a problem, so long as he's paired with Torreira. Goes pear with Guen because that pits Xhaka in the DM role. The reduction in goals conceded is down to Xhaka with Torreira instead of Xhaka/Torriera with Guen. And Mustafi being put at CB so we can't competently play the ball out.
People want to ship out the very players responsible for the defence beginning to sort itself out. NONE of those players can be allowed to leave the club until we have replacements for them. We can kick the CAM tomorrow though. Just needs Arteta to have to stones to say "I don't give a damn how much we pay him, he's not playing because he's been sh!t all season and couldn't care less about winning games" Only time will tell if he's got em.
posted on 3/2/20
Ozil has been sheet of late but Willock isn't the answer. Neither is ceballos
posted on 4/2/20
Arteta will do good anyone says otherwise doesn’t understand the game just give him time at least four seasons which must improve every season.
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