pre season made no sense, we played every game pressing the opposition and putting in some really good performances then the season started and we went to a sit and wait style? it was basically a wasted 4-5 week preparation imo
I'm not convinced it's tactics/system over players tbh.
I think what lvg and Jose showed (moreso lvg) was a system can only really work if you have the players.
My hope for ole is that he realised this and has resorted to getting rid of players and started to buy in the right ones. And I believe once he has a spine he will hand over to a n other.
I simply believe that no manager with a rep/name would be given time to rebuild over any length of time. Or want to.
I can see a Poch etc in place after ole has had a few windows and made signings. Likes of Maguire and Bruno being the types the next manager will have as a starting base
Didn't the change from pressing coincide with signing Maguire who lacks pace?
I think it's as simple as Ole wanting to keep his job.After seeing the playing staff he decided to build from the back, he probably hoped not to lose too many and three quick forwards to snatch some wins. And to be fair it's worked to a degree.
I would think he's hoping to strengthen midfield and attack in the summer, and then change to a more attacking formation
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
I think it's as simple as Ole wanting to keep his job.After seeing the playing staff he decided to build from the back, he probably hoped not to lose too many and three quick forwards to snatch some wins. And to be fair it's worked to a degree.
I would think he's hoping to strengthen midfield and attack in the summer, and then change to a more attacking formation
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i hope he does change to an attacking formation after the summer transfer window, but if Ole feels the current style of play is the way to go then i would prefer an attacking style manager
I don't think he will change. Even when losing he doesn't like to take risks.
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comment by Navigator (U22280)
posted 3 minutes ago
I don't think he will change. Even when losing he doesn't like to take risks.
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And brought on defenders for midfielders and attackers when we have a narrow lead. A big factor in many of the games we've drawn.
It is at least partially due to the squad being weak too though. He doesn't have the belief in them to cut loose, that much seems clear. It just makes it very difficult when you have the creativity problems we do and line up defensively, to ever go on any kind of consistent run. Which is why it hasn't happened
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comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 3 minutes ago
We are worse than Jose’s united and more negative
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No we are not. Stop talking out of your ar$e.
Just for a day would be nice.
Read something about the system a while back which said that it relies on a #10/AM that can lead the press and then lead the attack when the ball is won. However Pereira and Lingard lack the skills to be creative on the attack and can only do the pressing part, and Mata doesn't have the engine for that; hence why the system hasn't worked. It also explains why Pereira is played so much because of he is the best of a bad bunch.
However, Fernandez changes all that. He has the engine, speed and mentality to press from the front along with the control, skill and passing range to lead the attack. So maybe we will eventually see a return to something more akin to pre-season in the coming weeks.
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If the like of Pogba go, who don’t really suit the press, then perhaps he will. I’d like us to go back to that. Time will tell.
SAF was able to throw the kitchen sink, Ole simply doesn’t have the quality at his disposal to disrespect teams like that.
Yes, Ole I would say has been pragmatic rather than negative. I’m sure he would love to have the confidence to do that. Hopefully when our squad is fit enough he will have that as a go to option.
Nothing has changed for me from August. The squad was weak and thin going into the season.
It still is, but there are positive signs with this team and certain players.
Whether Ole remains to be the man to oversee this rebuild out is another thing, cos any manager would be suffering with results especially with this team.
But hopefully he can.
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posted 2 hours, 46 minutes ago
comment by Navigator (U22280)
posted 3 minutes ago
I don't think he will change. Even when losing he doesn't like to take risks.
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And brought on defenders for midfielders and attackers when we have a narrow lead. A big factor in many of the games we've drawn.
It is at least partially due to the squad being weak too though. He doesn't have the belief in them to cut loose, that much seems clear. It just makes it very difficult when you have the creativity problems we do and line up defensively, to ever go on any kind of consistent run. Which is why it hasn't happened
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Our mish mash squad also doesn't help. It's taken a while for the defence to to stop leaking goals after buying two defenders. But still it doesn't excuse the lack of pattern in our play. Pass and move is the modern game and we need to catch up.
Pass and move modern?
Look up Arthur Rowe, Spurs manager in the 1940s
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
Pass and move modern?
Look up Arthur Rowe, Spurs manager in the 1940s
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Obviously it isn't new, but there it's an emphasis on it in today's football. Even championship teams are playing this way. Everyone seems to want a manager that can implement such a style.
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 47 minutes ago
Bs, he’s just negative and I’m tired of it. Boring and dull
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Try looking in the mirror
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 21 minutes ago
Pass and move modern?
Look up Arthur Rowe, Spurs manager in the 1940s
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Didn’t Queen’s Park do it at the turn of the century?
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baztard (U19119)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 21 minutes ago
Pass and move modern?
Look up Arthur Rowe, Spurs manager in the 1940s
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Didn’t Queen’s Park do it at the turn of the century?
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Even I wasn't around then Baz
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 1 hour, 29 minutes ago
Bs, he’s just negative and I’m tired of it. We have a much worse version of Jose football. Boring and dull
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What we saw in preseason was how Ole wants to play I believe. And how he has Molde playing. I just don't think that he believes that he has the right players to do it this season. That kind style takes its toll on the players over the course or the season and we lack the depth to give them a rest when required. We have also had injuries in the forward line that has might have convinced Ole that he couldnt push them too much with a pressing game. Hopefully with a stronger team next season we see the pressing return.
The evidence, as others have shared, points to Solskjaer wanting to play on the front foot. The style he adopted at Molde, his explicit comments, the way we played when he took over, the approach we took in the pre-season. Perpetually tired and emotional posters like UWW won't engage with such evidence because it complicates their simplistic 'everything is bad' worldview.
Jinja Ninja is right to say that the tactics can only thrive when you have the players for it. Our squad wasn't assembled for a modern high press. Perhaps we don't have the conditioning for it either. And perhaps we don't have the culture to make any kind of consistent winning mentality happen. Perhaps Solskjaer isn't the man to correct all of those things. But the idea our football is exactly reflecting his vision is a facile idea entertained by stupid people.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 16 minutes ago
The evidence, as others have shared, points to Solskjaer wanting to play on the front foot. The style he adopted at Molde, his explicit comments, the way we played when he took over, the approach we took in the pre-season. Perpetually tired and emotional posters like UWW won't engage with such evidence because it complicates their simplistic 'everything is bad' worldview.
Jinja Ninja is right to say that the tactics can only thrive when you have the players for it. Our squad wasn't assembled for a modern high press. Perhaps we don't have the conditioning for it either. And perhaps we don't have the culture to make any kind of consistent winning mentality happen. Perhaps Solskjaer isn't the man to correct all of those things. But the idea our football is exactly reflecting his vision is a facile idea entertained by stupid people.
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That's all well and good, but doesn't explain why his three summer signings are more suited to counter attack. Maybe the high press just isn't a priority right now.
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posted on 21/2/20
pre season made no sense, we played every game pressing the opposition and putting in some really good performances then the season started and we went to a sit and wait style? it was basically a wasted 4-5 week preparation imo
posted on 21/2/20
I'm not convinced it's tactics/system over players tbh.
I think what lvg and Jose showed (moreso lvg) was a system can only really work if you have the players.
My hope for ole is that he realised this and has resorted to getting rid of players and started to buy in the right ones. And I believe once he has a spine he will hand over to a n other.
I simply believe that no manager with a rep/name would be given time to rebuild over any length of time. Or want to.
I can see a Poch etc in place after ole has had a few windows and made signings. Likes of Maguire and Bruno being the types the next manager will have as a starting base
posted on 21/2/20
Didn't the change from pressing coincide with signing Maguire who lacks pace?
posted on 21/2/20
I think it's as simple as Ole wanting to keep his job.After seeing the playing staff he decided to build from the back, he probably hoped not to lose too many and three quick forwards to snatch some wins. And to be fair it's worked to a degree.
I would think he's hoping to strengthen midfield and attack in the summer, and then change to a more attacking formation
posted on 21/2/20
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
I think it's as simple as Ole wanting to keep his job.After seeing the playing staff he decided to build from the back, he probably hoped not to lose too many and three quick forwards to snatch some wins. And to be fair it's worked to a degree.
I would think he's hoping to strengthen midfield and attack in the summer, and then change to a more attacking formation
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i hope he does change to an attacking formation after the summer transfer window, but if Ole feels the current style of play is the way to go then i would prefer an attacking style manager
posted on 21/2/20
I don't think he will change. Even when losing he doesn't like to take risks.
posted on 21/2/20
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posted on 21/2/20
comment by Navigator (U22280)
posted 3 minutes ago
I don't think he will change. Even when losing he doesn't like to take risks.
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And brought on defenders for midfielders and attackers when we have a narrow lead. A big factor in many of the games we've drawn.
It is at least partially due to the squad being weak too though. He doesn't have the belief in them to cut loose, that much seems clear. It just makes it very difficult when you have the creativity problems we do and line up defensively, to ever go on any kind of consistent run. Which is why it hasn't happened
posted on 21/2/20
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posted on 21/2/20
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 3 minutes ago
We are worse than Jose’s united and more negative
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No we are not. Stop talking out of your ar$e.
Just for a day would be nice.
posted on 21/2/20
Read something about the system a while back which said that it relies on a #10/AM that can lead the press and then lead the attack when the ball is won. However Pereira and Lingard lack the skills to be creative on the attack and can only do the pressing part, and Mata doesn't have the engine for that; hence why the system hasn't worked. It also explains why Pereira is played so much because of he is the best of a bad bunch.
However, Fernandez changes all that. He has the engine, speed and mentality to press from the front along with the control, skill and passing range to lead the attack. So maybe we will eventually see a return to something more akin to pre-season in the coming weeks.
posted on 21/2/20
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posted on 21/2/20
If the like of Pogba go, who don’t really suit the press, then perhaps he will. I’d like us to go back to that. Time will tell.
posted on 21/2/20
SAF was able to throw the kitchen sink, Ole simply doesn’t have the quality at his disposal to disrespect teams like that.
Yes, Ole I would say has been pragmatic rather than negative. I’m sure he would love to have the confidence to do that. Hopefully when our squad is fit enough he will have that as a go to option.
Nothing has changed for me from August. The squad was weak and thin going into the season.
It still is, but there are positive signs with this team and certain players.
Whether Ole remains to be the man to oversee this rebuild out is another thing, cos any manager would be suffering with results especially with this team.
But hopefully he can.
posted on 21/2/20
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posted on 21/2/20
comment by merrysupersteve - Jose'd he wouldn't be our Special One? (U1132)
posted 2 hours, 46 minutes ago
comment by Navigator (U22280)
posted 3 minutes ago
I don't think he will change. Even when losing he doesn't like to take risks.
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And brought on defenders for midfielders and attackers when we have a narrow lead. A big factor in many of the games we've drawn.
It is at least partially due to the squad being weak too though. He doesn't have the belief in them to cut loose, that much seems clear. It just makes it very difficult when you have the creativity problems we do and line up defensively, to ever go on any kind of consistent run. Which is why it hasn't happened
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Our mish mash squad also doesn't help. It's taken a while for the defence to to stop leaking goals after buying two defenders. But still it doesn't excuse the lack of pattern in our play. Pass and move is the modern game and we need to catch up.
posted on 21/2/20
Pass and move modern?
Look up Arthur Rowe, Spurs manager in the 1940s
posted on 21/2/20
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
Pass and move modern?
Look up Arthur Rowe, Spurs manager in the 1940s
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Obviously it isn't new, but there it's an emphasis on it in today's football. Even championship teams are playing this way. Everyone seems to want a manager that can implement such a style.
posted on 21/2/20
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 47 minutes ago
Bs, he’s just negative and I’m tired of it. Boring and dull
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Try looking in the mirror
posted on 21/2/20
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 21 minutes ago
Pass and move modern?
Look up Arthur Rowe, Spurs manager in the 1940s
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Didn’t Queen’s Park do it at the turn of the century?
posted on 21/2/20
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baztard (U19119)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 21 minutes ago
Pass and move modern?
Look up Arthur Rowe, Spurs manager in the 1940s
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Didn’t Queen’s Park do it at the turn of the century?
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Even I wasn't around then Baz
posted on 21/2/20
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 1 hour, 29 minutes ago
Bs, he’s just negative and I’m tired of it. We have a much worse version of Jose football. Boring and dull
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What we saw in preseason was how Ole wants to play I believe. And how he has Molde playing. I just don't think that he believes that he has the right players to do it this season. That kind style takes its toll on the players over the course or the season and we lack the depth to give them a rest when required. We have also had injuries in the forward line that has might have convinced Ole that he couldnt push them too much with a pressing game. Hopefully with a stronger team next season we see the pressing return.
posted on 22/2/20
The evidence, as others have shared, points to Solskjaer wanting to play on the front foot. The style he adopted at Molde, his explicit comments, the way we played when he took over, the approach we took in the pre-season. Perpetually tired and emotional posters like UWW won't engage with such evidence because it complicates their simplistic 'everything is bad' worldview.
Jinja Ninja is right to say that the tactics can only thrive when you have the players for it. Our squad wasn't assembled for a modern high press. Perhaps we don't have the conditioning for it either. And perhaps we don't have the culture to make any kind of consistent winning mentality happen. Perhaps Solskjaer isn't the man to correct all of those things. But the idea our football is exactly reflecting his vision is a facile idea entertained by stupid people.
posted on 22/2/20
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 16 minutes ago
The evidence, as others have shared, points to Solskjaer wanting to play on the front foot. The style he adopted at Molde, his explicit comments, the way we played when he took over, the approach we took in the pre-season. Perpetually tired and emotional posters like UWW won't engage with such evidence because it complicates their simplistic 'everything is bad' worldview.
Jinja Ninja is right to say that the tactics can only thrive when you have the players for it. Our squad wasn't assembled for a modern high press. Perhaps we don't have the conditioning for it either. And perhaps we don't have the culture to make any kind of consistent winning mentality happen. Perhaps Solskjaer isn't the man to correct all of those things. But the idea our football is exactly reflecting his vision is a facile idea entertained by stupid people.
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That's all well and good, but doesn't explain why his three summer signings are more suited to counter attack. Maybe the high press just isn't a priority right now.
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