comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you (U7905)
posted 1 minute ago
Just watching motd. Even by VAR standards this is a shambles. Bournemouth player's shoulders are now part of their arms, KDB's hand is fine but the Leicester player's isn't? Lo Celso is allowed to stamp on azpi.
Needs to be scrapped. It could well have just contributed to relegating Bournemouth when they scored two legitimate goals.
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Thought the decisions in the Bournemouth game were correct. Without VAR Bournemouth would have went 1-1 and the game could have been very different.
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What, handball for a ball that bounced off a shoulder without the player realising?
You can’t be serious.
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Var overanalyses everything. A) it looked more like shoulder b) you cannot say either way so it's not clear and obvious.
Pre var nobody would have even looked at a replay of that billing 'handball' let alone wanted it disallowed.
Only time I can think of var being needed was Aubamayang's goal at old Trafford which would have been disallowed because of an incompetent linesman.
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you (U7905)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you (U7905)
posted 1 minute ago
Just watching motd. Even by VAR standards this is a shambles. Bournemouth player's shoulders are now part of their arms, KDB's hand is fine but the Leicester player's isn't? Lo Celso is allowed to stamp on azpi.
Needs to be scrapped. It could well have just contributed to relegating Bournemouth when they scored two legitimate goals.
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Thought the decisions in the Bournemouth game were correct. Without VAR Bournemouth would have went 1-1 and the game could have been very different.
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What, handball for a ball that bounced off a shoulder without the player realising?
You can’t be serious.
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Var overanalyses everything. A) it looked more like shoulder b) you cannot say either way so it's not clear and obvious.
Pre var nobody would have even looked at a replay of that billing 'handball' let alone wanted it disallowed.
Only time I can think of var being needed was Aubamayang's goal at old Trafford which would have been disallowed because of an incompetent linesman.
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Just watched the highlights about ten minutes ago. Looked handball to me allow I didn't see it in slow motion, so could be wrong. None of the commentators disagreed with it either. No idea what the defender was doing there.
As I've said before, I almost prefer watching league 2 and Women's football just because of VAR.
Football like life shouldn't have to be perfect. If the ref makes a mistake, take it, moan and move on.
The one that came in and bounced off his shoulder?
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 22 minutes ago
The one that came in and bounced off his shoulder?
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I didn't even know there was a debate around it. I'd need to see it again but looked handball to me.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 10 hours, 1 minute ago
People talk about errors.
The truth is that there are barely any errors. They’re just decisions people disagree with.
VAR doesn’t change that.
We’ve lost so much good about the game for very little benefit.
People who view the world in black and white, tick box like ways will never understand.
VAR is no good for the game. No good at all.
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I’m with Winston on this.
We’re losing what little of the essence of the game we still have.
comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 10 hours, 1 minute ago
People talk about errors.
The truth is that there are barely any errors. They’re just decisions people disagree with.
VAR doesn’t change that.
We’ve lost so much good about the game for very little benefit.
People who view the world in black and white, tick box like ways will never understand.
VAR is no good for the game. No good at all.
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I’m with Winston on this.
We’re losing what little of the essence of the game we still have.
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And what's that? A minute off the clock, which gets added on? A celebration that happens that was for nothing or turns into two celebrations? What are we actually losing that isn't massively superseded by more correct decisions, a fairer game?
If VAR was abolished tomorrow would the game be any worse? Of course not
People say ‘it’s not VAR, it’s the people making the decisions that ruin it
Well, they’re the same thing - unless we get a robot making decisions who is never wrong it will always rely on imperfect humans to operate it. And if we’re relying on imperfect humans then why not just stick with referees ?
comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 11 minutes ago
If VAR was abolished tomorrow would the game be any worse? Of course not
People say ‘it’s not VAR, it’s the people making the decisions that ruin it
Well, they’re the same thing - unless we get a robot making decisions who is never wrong it will always rely on imperfect humans to operate it. And if we’re relying on imperfect humans then why not just stick with referees ?
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On one hand people say officials make mistakes and it should be accepted, on the other they say officials makes mistakes and it shouldn't be accepted so we should go back to more mistakes.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 11 minutes ago
If VAR was abolished tomorrow would the game be any worse? Of course not
People say ‘it’s not VAR, it’s the people making the decisions that ruin it
Well, they’re the same thing - unless we get a robot making decisions who is never wrong it will always rely on imperfect humans to operate it. And if we’re relying on imperfect humans then why not just stick with referees ?
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On one hand people say officials make mistakes and it should be accepted, on the other they say officials makes mistakes and it shouldn't be accepted so we should go back to more mistakes.
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It’s amazing you’ve managed to get that from what myself and others are saying
comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 11 minutes ago
If VAR was abolished tomorrow would the game be any worse? Of course not
People say ‘it’s not VAR, it’s the people making the decisions that ruin it
Well, they’re the same thing - unless we get a robot making decisions who is never wrong it will always rely on imperfect humans to operate it. And if we’re relying on imperfect humans then why not just stick with referees ?
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On one hand people say officials make mistakes and it should be accepted, on the other they say officials makes mistakes and it shouldn't be accepted so we should go back to more mistakes.
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It’s amazing you’ve managed to get that from what myself and others are saying
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Is it?
So which part do you disagree with?
People say officials make mistakes and it should be accepted.
People say officials make mistakes and it shouldn't be accepted and therefore we should scrap it and go back to onfield pfficials making mistakes.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 54 minutes ago
comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 10 hours, 1 minute ago
People talk about errors.
The truth is that there are barely any errors. They’re just decisions people disagree with.
VAR doesn’t change that.
We’ve lost so much good about the game for very little benefit.
People who view the world in black and white, tick box like ways will never understand.
VAR is no good for the game. No good at all.
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I’m with Winston on this.
We’re losing what little of the essence of the game we still have.
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And what's that? A minute off the clock, which gets added on? A celebration that happens that was for nothing or turns into two celebrations? What are we actually losing that isn't massively superseded by more correct decisions, a fairer game?
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People will say they want a ‘fair game’, but that doesn’t mean that every refereeing decision has to be as accurate as possible.
If you want a ‘fair game’ then there are hundreds of things you can do without impacting the flow of matches: redistribute wealth across the PL and down through the league system, start funding grassroots properly, pump money into officiating to train up and retain a much higher number of refs and assistants to higher standards, deal with diving properly, use stronger retro-action to deal with timewasting and violent conduct, hold players who abuse refs to account and mic up refs, ban substitutions after 45 minutes are up each half, standardise pitch sizes and conditions, bring in minimum rest periods between games, take FFP seriously at international and national levels... take your pick.
All of this is stuff that is done and agreed *before kickoff* and doesn’t interrupt the flow of the game. People no longer celebrating goals with the same fervour in the stadium is the worst thing that has happened to football in a long, long time.
I mean, why do we go watch football matches if not to celebrate goals? It’s the footballing orga5m, and it is being numbed by a bureaucratic process.
comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 54 minutes ago
comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 10 hours, 1 minute ago
People talk about errors.
The truth is that there are barely any errors. They’re just decisions people disagree with.
VAR doesn’t change that.
We’ve lost so much good about the game for very little benefit.
People who view the world in black and white, tick box like ways will never understand.
VAR is no good for the game. No good at all.
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I’m with Winston on this.
We’re losing what little of the essence of the game we still have.
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And what's that? A minute off the clock, which gets added on? A celebration that happens that was for nothing or turns into two celebrations? What are we actually losing that isn't massively superseded by more correct decisions, a fairer game?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
People will say they want a ‘fair game’, but that doesn’t mean that every refereeing decision has to be as accurate as possible.
If you want a ‘fair game’ then there are hundreds of things you can do without impacting the flow of matches: redistribute wealth across the PL and down through the league system, start funding grassroots properly, pump money into officiating to train up and retain a much higher number of refs and assistants to higher standards, deal with diving properly, use stronger retro-action to deal with timewasting and violent conduct, hold players who abuse refs to account and mic up refs, ban substitutions after 45 minutes are up each half, standardise pitch sizes and conditions, bring in minimum rest periods between games, take FFP seriously at international and national levels... take your pick.
All of this is stuff that is done and agreed *before kickoff* and doesn’t interrupt the flow of the game. People no longer celebrating goals with the same fervour in the stadium is the worst thing that has happened to football in a long, long time.
I mean, why do we go watch football matches if not to celebrate goals? It’s the footballing orga5m, and it is being numbed by a bureaucratic process.
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Or just have VAR, which we now have and be happy with a fairer game. That's what I'm doing anyhow. Others are free to do as they wish. I respect their opinion.
TOOR
It is all a matter of opinion, of course
I’m just sorry that we’ve spent half of the season talking about VAR, rather than the actual football. (He says, in the middle of a conversation about VAR )
The game is better. Offsides are correct, goal line technology correct and we are gettin more decisions correct. A few issues need addressing but its new and thats to be expected.
A fairer game?
People like TOOR have completely lost the plot in regards to what football is.
Narrow minded nonsense.
comment by Rouge (U19907)
posted 4 hours, 3 minutes ago
The game is better. Offsides are correct, goal line technology correct and we are gettin more decisions correct. A few issues need addressing but its new and thats to be expected.
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I've just checked and 79 incorrect decisions have been overturned alone, 79! How in the world could we go back to 79 incorrect decisions with less that 3/4 of the season gone?
comment by Rouge (U19907)
posted 4 hours, 4 minutes ago
The game is better. Offsides are correct, goal line technology correct and we are gettin more decisions correct. A few issues need addressing but its new and thats to be expected.
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I do like goal line technology, but that's quick and black and white.
I'm currently watching city vs chelsea ladies, and there could have been two goals disallowed for offside but it's refreshing not to see reviews.
79 incorrect decisions, including many, many marginal calls that would have impacted the game not one jot.
The purpose of refereeing was never to be 100% correct.
The purpose was to manage the game and interpret each incident as best as possible, making a decision and managing the game.
This pursuit of perfection with all decisions is not what the game was about and it will harm the game.
The only part of VAR I thought would work well is the offsides and I was wrong - it’s a terrible system offering so little benefit.
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posted on 23/2/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you (U7905)
posted 1 minute ago
Just watching motd. Even by VAR standards this is a shambles. Bournemouth player's shoulders are now part of their arms, KDB's hand is fine but the Leicester player's isn't? Lo Celso is allowed to stamp on azpi.
Needs to be scrapped. It could well have just contributed to relegating Bournemouth when they scored two legitimate goals.
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Thought the decisions in the Bournemouth game were correct. Without VAR Bournemouth would have went 1-1 and the game could have been very different.
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What, handball for a ball that bounced off a shoulder without the player realising?
You can’t be serious.
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Var overanalyses everything. A) it looked more like shoulder b) you cannot say either way so it's not clear and obvious.
Pre var nobody would have even looked at a replay of that billing 'handball' let alone wanted it disallowed.
Only time I can think of var being needed was Aubamayang's goal at old Trafford which would have been disallowed because of an incompetent linesman.
posted on 23/2/20
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you (U7905)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you (U7905)
posted 1 minute ago
Just watching motd. Even by VAR standards this is a shambles. Bournemouth player's shoulders are now part of their arms, KDB's hand is fine but the Leicester player's isn't? Lo Celso is allowed to stamp on azpi.
Needs to be scrapped. It could well have just contributed to relegating Bournemouth when they scored two legitimate goals.
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Thought the decisions in the Bournemouth game were correct. Without VAR Bournemouth would have went 1-1 and the game could have been very different.
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What, handball for a ball that bounced off a shoulder without the player realising?
You can’t be serious.
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Var overanalyses everything. A) it looked more like shoulder b) you cannot say either way so it's not clear and obvious.
Pre var nobody would have even looked at a replay of that billing 'handball' let alone wanted it disallowed.
Only time I can think of var being needed was Aubamayang's goal at old Trafford which would have been disallowed because of an incompetent linesman.
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Just watched the highlights about ten minutes ago. Looked handball to me allow I didn't see it in slow motion, so could be wrong. None of the commentators disagreed with it either. No idea what the defender was doing there.
posted on 23/2/20
As I've said before, I almost prefer watching league 2 and Women's football just because of VAR.
Football like life shouldn't have to be perfect. If the ref makes a mistake, take it, moan and move on.
posted on 23/2/20
The one that came in and bounced off his shoulder?
posted on 23/2/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 22 minutes ago
The one that came in and bounced off his shoulder?
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I didn't even know there was a debate around it. I'd need to see it again but looked handball to me.
posted on 23/2/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 10 hours, 1 minute ago
People talk about errors.
The truth is that there are barely any errors. They’re just decisions people disagree with.
VAR doesn’t change that.
We’ve lost so much good about the game for very little benefit.
People who view the world in black and white, tick box like ways will never understand.
VAR is no good for the game. No good at all.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I’m with Winston on this.
We’re losing what little of the essence of the game we still have.
posted on 23/2/20
comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 10 hours, 1 minute ago
People talk about errors.
The truth is that there are barely any errors. They’re just decisions people disagree with.
VAR doesn’t change that.
We’ve lost so much good about the game for very little benefit.
People who view the world in black and white, tick box like ways will never understand.
VAR is no good for the game. No good at all.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I’m with Winston on this.
We’re losing what little of the essence of the game we still have.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And what's that? A minute off the clock, which gets added on? A celebration that happens that was for nothing or turns into two celebrations? What are we actually losing that isn't massively superseded by more correct decisions, a fairer game?
posted on 23/2/20
If VAR was abolished tomorrow would the game be any worse? Of course not
People say ‘it’s not VAR, it’s the people making the decisions that ruin it
Well, they’re the same thing - unless we get a robot making decisions who is never wrong it will always rely on imperfect humans to operate it. And if we’re relying on imperfect humans then why not just stick with referees ?
posted on 23/2/20
comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 11 minutes ago
If VAR was abolished tomorrow would the game be any worse? Of course not
People say ‘it’s not VAR, it’s the people making the decisions that ruin it
Well, they’re the same thing - unless we get a robot making decisions who is never wrong it will always rely on imperfect humans to operate it. And if we’re relying on imperfect humans then why not just stick with referees ?
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On one hand people say officials make mistakes and it should be accepted, on the other they say officials makes mistakes and it shouldn't be accepted so we should go back to more mistakes.
posted on 23/2/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 11 minutes ago
If VAR was abolished tomorrow would the game be any worse? Of course not
People say ‘it’s not VAR, it’s the people making the decisions that ruin it
Well, they’re the same thing - unless we get a robot making decisions who is never wrong it will always rely on imperfect humans to operate it. And if we’re relying on imperfect humans then why not just stick with referees ?
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On one hand people say officials make mistakes and it should be accepted, on the other they say officials makes mistakes and it shouldn't be accepted so we should go back to more mistakes.
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It’s amazing you’ve managed to get that from what myself and others are saying
posted on 23/2/20
comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 11 minutes ago
If VAR was abolished tomorrow would the game be any worse? Of course not
People say ‘it’s not VAR, it’s the people making the decisions that ruin it
Well, they’re the same thing - unless we get a robot making decisions who is never wrong it will always rely on imperfect humans to operate it. And if we’re relying on imperfect humans then why not just stick with referees ?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
On one hand people say officials make mistakes and it should be accepted, on the other they say officials makes mistakes and it shouldn't be accepted so we should go back to more mistakes.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s amazing you’ve managed to get that from what myself and others are saying
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Is it?
So which part do you disagree with?
People say officials make mistakes and it should be accepted.
People say officials make mistakes and it shouldn't be accepted and therefore we should scrap it and go back to onfield pfficials making mistakes.
posted on 23/2/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 54 minutes ago
comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 10 hours, 1 minute ago
People talk about errors.
The truth is that there are barely any errors. They’re just decisions people disagree with.
VAR doesn’t change that.
We’ve lost so much good about the game for very little benefit.
People who view the world in black and white, tick box like ways will never understand.
VAR is no good for the game. No good at all.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I’m with Winston on this.
We’re losing what little of the essence of the game we still have.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And what's that? A minute off the clock, which gets added on? A celebration that happens that was for nothing or turns into two celebrations? What are we actually losing that isn't massively superseded by more correct decisions, a fairer game?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
People will say they want a ‘fair game’, but that doesn’t mean that every refereeing decision has to be as accurate as possible.
If you want a ‘fair game’ then there are hundreds of things you can do without impacting the flow of matches: redistribute wealth across the PL and down through the league system, start funding grassroots properly, pump money into officiating to train up and retain a much higher number of refs and assistants to higher standards, deal with diving properly, use stronger retro-action to deal with timewasting and violent conduct, hold players who abuse refs to account and mic up refs, ban substitutions after 45 minutes are up each half, standardise pitch sizes and conditions, bring in minimum rest periods between games, take FFP seriously at international and national levels... take your pick.
All of this is stuff that is done and agreed *before kickoff* and doesn’t interrupt the flow of the game. People no longer celebrating goals with the same fervour in the stadium is the worst thing that has happened to football in a long, long time.
I mean, why do we go watch football matches if not to celebrate goals? It’s the footballing orga5m, and it is being numbed by a bureaucratic process.
posted on 23/2/20
comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 54 minutes ago
comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 10 hours, 1 minute ago
People talk about errors.
The truth is that there are barely any errors. They’re just decisions people disagree with.
VAR doesn’t change that.
We’ve lost so much good about the game for very little benefit.
People who view the world in black and white, tick box like ways will never understand.
VAR is no good for the game. No good at all.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I’m with Winston on this.
We’re losing what little of the essence of the game we still have.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And what's that? A minute off the clock, which gets added on? A celebration that happens that was for nothing or turns into two celebrations? What are we actually losing that isn't massively superseded by more correct decisions, a fairer game?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
People will say they want a ‘fair game’, but that doesn’t mean that every refereeing decision has to be as accurate as possible.
If you want a ‘fair game’ then there are hundreds of things you can do without impacting the flow of matches: redistribute wealth across the PL and down through the league system, start funding grassroots properly, pump money into officiating to train up and retain a much higher number of refs and assistants to higher standards, deal with diving properly, use stronger retro-action to deal with timewasting and violent conduct, hold players who abuse refs to account and mic up refs, ban substitutions after 45 minutes are up each half, standardise pitch sizes and conditions, bring in minimum rest periods between games, take FFP seriously at international and national levels... take your pick.
All of this is stuff that is done and agreed *before kickoff* and doesn’t interrupt the flow of the game. People no longer celebrating goals with the same fervour in the stadium is the worst thing that has happened to football in a long, long time.
I mean, why do we go watch football matches if not to celebrate goals? It’s the footballing orga5m, and it is being numbed by a bureaucratic process.
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Or just have VAR, which we now have and be happy with a fairer game. That's what I'm doing anyhow. Others are free to do as they wish. I respect their opinion.
posted on 23/2/20
TOOR
It is all a matter of opinion, of course
I’m just sorry that we’ve spent half of the season talking about VAR, rather than the actual football. (He says, in the middle of a conversation about VAR )
posted on 23/2/20
The game is better. Offsides are correct, goal line technology correct and we are gettin more decisions correct. A few issues need addressing but its new and thats to be expected.
posted on 23/2/20
A fairer game?
People like TOOR have completely lost the plot in regards to what football is.
Narrow minded nonsense.
posted on 23/2/20
comment by Rouge (U19907)
posted 4 hours, 3 minutes ago
The game is better. Offsides are correct, goal line technology correct and we are gettin more decisions correct. A few issues need addressing but its new and thats to be expected.
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I've just checked and 79 incorrect decisions have been overturned alone, 79! How in the world could we go back to 79 incorrect decisions with less that 3/4 of the season gone?
posted on 23/2/20
comment by Rouge (U19907)
posted 4 hours, 4 minutes ago
The game is better. Offsides are correct, goal line technology correct and we are gettin more decisions correct. A few issues need addressing but its new and thats to be expected.
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I do like goal line technology, but that's quick and black and white.
I'm currently watching city vs chelsea ladies, and there could have been two goals disallowed for offside but it's refreshing not to see reviews.
posted on 23/2/20
79 incorrect decisions, including many, many marginal calls that would have impacted the game not one jot.
The purpose of refereeing was never to be 100% correct.
The purpose was to manage the game and interpret each incident as best as possible, making a decision and managing the game.
This pursuit of perfection with all decisions is not what the game was about and it will harm the game.
posted on 23/2/20
The only part of VAR I thought would work well is the offsides and I was wrong - it’s a terrible system offering so little benefit.
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