comment by L40TL (U20035)
posted 8 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 20 minutes ago
Where is the recent City side?
Looking at Villa, I think they won one European Cupand one title, equalling 9 points, whereas City have two titles, and three cups, given them 17. Unless I've missed something?
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It was about the greatest ever English sides, which would immediately exclude Man C.
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Do some research and find out who was the last all English team to win the top title
comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 31 minutes ago
not really a lazy argument though is it.
like i say, not wanting to take anything away from liverpool and what the achieved during that period, but for me it is much harder to win now.
you have to play more games to win the competition, and you are looking at 3 or 4 top teams from each major country, not just one.
i dont understand how people can not see how that makes it harder to win.
last season is a prime example.
you win the CL after finishing 4th the season before.
the competition is much vaster nowadays
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Yes you play more games but in this format you can draw/lose a couple and still win it. The old format lose and you’re out.
Also 3/4 top teams per country. Are you sure?
Another validation seeking article
comment by TheWhiteWall (U17633)
posted 1 minute ago
Another validation seeking article
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Tell us we’re the best damn it
Spain's big 2 have basically dominated the CL for the past 8 years or so. Dunc's comment is redundant.
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 29 minutes ago
not really a lazy argument though is it.
like i say, not wanting to take anything away from liverpool and what the achieved during that period, but for me it is much harder to win now.
you have to play more games to win the competition, and you are looking at 3 or 4 top teams from each major country, not just one.
i dont understand how people can not see how that makes it harder to win.
last season is a prime example.
you win the CL after finishing 4th the season before.
the competition is much vaster nowadays
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If we went back to the old format, how many European cups would be taken away from England in the last 30 years?
Go on, have a go.
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probably most, and that only validates my point... more teams are capable of winning it
comment by ♫♪ Gini Mini Mane Mo, Keita, Milner, Firmino ♪♫ (U19365)
posted 54 minutes ago
FFS, nostradunce really is hurting
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yes... the pain is unbearable
On this criteria, If this was looked at over the 15 year period, Chelsea would be on well over 50 pts
Not sure too many others would top that...yeah some money was spent in doing it to be fair...
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 31 minutes ago
not really a lazy argument though is it.
like i say, not wanting to take anything away from liverpool and what the achieved during that period, but for me it is much harder to win now.
you have to play more games to win the competition, and you are looking at 3 or 4 top teams from each major country, not just one.
i dont understand how people can not see how that makes it harder to win.
last season is a prime example.
you win the CL after finishing 4th the season before.
the competition is much vaster nowadays
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Yes you play more games but in this format you can draw/lose a couple and still win it. The old format lose and you’re out.
Also 3/4 top teams per country. Are you sure?
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That's not true. In the old format you could lose almost half your games and still win it. You could draw all of your games and still win it. This hasn't changed.
That Liverpool side 75/6, 76/7 were boring lumping it to Toshack for knock downs for Keegan.
Much better when KKK came in and got rid of donkey
Welsh
Yeah you could lose/draw one leg of each round and win the other. I’d say that’s harder than losing/drawing the first 3/4 group games and picking up form later on and still going through.
Liverpool are clearly the best team in the league and have already won the title, so there really isn't any reason they don't win another piece of silverware too, and they would need to if they want to be declared the greatest English side of all time.
comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 1 hour, 58 minutes ago
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 29 minutes ago
not really a lazy argument though is it.
like i say, not wanting to take anything away from liverpool and what the achieved during that period, but for me it is much harder to win now.
you have to play more games to win the competition, and you are looking at 3 or 4 top teams from each major country, not just one.
i dont understand how people can not see how that makes it harder to win.
last season is a prime example.
you win the CL after finishing 4th the season before.
the competition is much vaster nowadays
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If we went back to the old format, how many European cups would be taken away from England in the last 30 years?
Go on, have a go.
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probably most, and that only validates my point... more teams are capable of winning it
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We’ve established that most teams wouldn’t have won it. That’s the point.
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
On this criteria, If this was looked at over the 15 year period, Chelsea would be on well over 50 pts
Not sure too many others would top that...yeah some money was spent in doing it to be fair...
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by this I mean 2005 to now
By my quick reckoning the best 15(ish) year periods for English team success are
Liverpool 76-92 91 pts
Man Utd 92-07 63 pts
Chelsea 04-20 56 pts
doesn't include Charity Shields Euro Super Cups or World Club Championships (2 team/4 team playoffs)
When Liverpool won European Cups they had byes to te final.
In the late 70s and early 80s, Spanish and Italian football was at all time low
German sides were decent
1981, LIverpool played Oulun Palloseura, Aberdeen and CSKA Sofia to reach semis
1985 Lech Posnan, Benfica, Austria Vienna and Panathaniakos to reach final
comment by 14 to West Ham (U20729)
posted 15 minutes ago
When Liverpool won European Cups they had byes to te final.
In the late 70s and early 80s, Spanish and Italian football was at all time low
German sides were decent
1981, LIverpool played Oulun Palloseura, Aberdeen and CSKA Sofia to reach semis
1985 Lech Posnan, Benfica, Austria Vienna and Panathaniakos to reach final
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You can only beat what's in front of you...as the old adage goes
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by 14 to West Ham (U20729)
posted 15 minutes ago
When Liverpool won European Cups they had byes to te final.
In the late 70s and early 80s, Spanish and Italian football was at all time low
German sides were decent
1981, LIverpool played Oulun Palloseura, Aberdeen and CSKA Sofia to reach semis
1985 Lech Posnan, Benfica, Austria Vienna and Panathaniakos to reach final
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You can only beat what's in front of you...as the old adage goes
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Not our fault Spanish & Italian sides were garbage
comment by der kloppites Hi, wie geht es dir (U13373)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by 14 to West Ham (U20729)
posted 15 minutes ago
When Liverpool won European Cups they had byes to te final.
In the late 70s and early 80s, Spanish and Italian football was at all time low
German sides were decent
1981, LIverpool played Oulun Palloseura, Aberdeen and CSKA Sofia to reach semis
1985 Lech Posnan, Benfica, Austria Vienna and Panathaniakos to reach final
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You can only beat what's in front of you...as the old adage goes
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Not our fault Spanish & Italian sides were garbage
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No.
That's why Forest and even a poor Villa side won European Cup during that period.
Dundee United were cheated out of European Cup final v Roma
comment by 14 to West Ham (U20729)
posted 1 hour, 46 minutes ago
When Liverpool won European Cups they had byes to te final.
In the late 70s and early 80s, Spanish and Italian football was at all time low
German sides were decent
1981, LIverpool played Oulun Palloseura, Aberdeen and CSKA Sofia to reach semis
1985 Lech Posnan, Benfica, Austria Vienna and Panathaniakos to reach final
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Yeah, sounds easy.
Makes you wonder why so many other clubs weren't winning European cups. 🤔
Ah, that's right, you had to win your domestic league to qualify. 😉
comment by 14 to West Ham (U20729)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by der kloppites Hi, wie geht es dir (U13373)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by 14 to West Ham (U20729)
posted 15 minutes ago
When Liverpool won European Cups they had byes to te final.
In the late 70s and early 80s, Spanish and Italian football was at all time low
German sides were decent
1981, LIverpool played Oulun Palloseura, Aberdeen and CSKA Sofia to reach semis
1985 Lech Posnan, Benfica, Austria Vienna and Panathaniakos to reach final
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You can only beat what's in front of you...as the old adage goes
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Not our fault Spanish & Italian sides were garbage
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No.
That's why Forest and even a poor Villa side won European Cup during that period.
Dundee United were cheated out of European Cup final v Roma
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Apart from all the other stuff you said being complete garbage, reminds how many times West Ham won this p 155 easy trophy. 🤔
1981, LIverpool played Oulun Palloseura, Aberdeen and CSKA Sofia to reach semis
=================================
1999 Man United came 2nd in the prem in 98, then won only 4 out of 10 games to reach the CL final.
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 32 seconds ago
1981, LIverpool played Oulun Palloseura, Aberdeen and CSKA Sofia to reach semis
=================================
1999 Man United came 2nd in the prem in 98, then won only 4 out of 10 games to reach the CL final.
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They played VG Juve and Barca sides tbf
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by 14 to West Ham (U20729)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by der kloppites Hi, wie geht es dir (U13373)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by 14 to West Ham (U20729)
posted 15 minutes ago
When Liverpool won European Cups they had byes to te final.
In the late 70s and early 80s, Spanish and Italian football was at all time low
German sides were decent
1981, LIverpool played Oulun Palloseura, Aberdeen and CSKA Sofia to reach semis
1985 Lech Posnan, Benfica, Austria Vienna and Panathaniakos to reach final
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You can only beat what's in front of you...as the old adage goes
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not our fault Spanish & Italian sides were garbage
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No.
That's why Forest and even a poor Villa side won European Cup during that period.
Dundee United were cheated out of European Cup final v Roma
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Apart from all the other stuff you said being complete garbage, reminds how many times West Ham won this p 155 easy trophy. 🤔
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Even West Ham reached a European final in 76. Easy in late 70s, early 80s
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 2 minutes ago
1981, LIverpool played Oulun Palloseura, Aberdeen and CSKA Sofia to reach semis
=================================
1999 Man United came 2nd in the prem in 98, then won only 4 out of 10 games to reach the CL final.
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Fergie Aberdeen were the best Scottish club at the time. The time when Scottish clubs had a chance because they could compete financially which is impossible now and only limited to 2-3 leagues.
In those days everyone had a chance. Was a level playing field. Now it is a monopoly.
comment by (kash) I'm the Mané - 6 Times Baby (U1108)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 2 minutes ago
1981, LIverpool played Oulun Palloseura, Aberdeen and CSKA Sofia to reach semis
=================================
1999 Man United came 2nd in the prem in 98, then won only 4 out of 10 games to reach the CL final.
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Fergie Aberdeen were the best Scottish club at the time. The time when Scottish clubs had a chance because they could compete financially which is impossible now and only limited to 2-3 leagues.
In those days everyone had a chance. Was a level playing field. Now it is a monopoly.
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Yes they won a European trophy too. So easy 1976-1984
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posted on 25/2/20
comment by L40TL (U20035)
posted 8 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 20 minutes ago
Where is the recent City side?
Looking at Villa, I think they won one European Cupand one title, equalling 9 points, whereas City have two titles, and three cups, given them 17. Unless I've missed something?
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It was about the greatest ever English sides, which would immediately exclude Man C.
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Do some research and find out who was the last all English team to win the top title
posted on 25/2/20
comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 31 minutes ago
not really a lazy argument though is it.
like i say, not wanting to take anything away from liverpool and what the achieved during that period, but for me it is much harder to win now.
you have to play more games to win the competition, and you are looking at 3 or 4 top teams from each major country, not just one.
i dont understand how people can not see how that makes it harder to win.
last season is a prime example.
you win the CL after finishing 4th the season before.
the competition is much vaster nowadays
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes you play more games but in this format you can draw/lose a couple and still win it. The old format lose and you’re out.
Also 3/4 top teams per country. Are you sure?
posted on 25/2/20
Another validation seeking article
posted on 25/2/20
comment by TheWhiteWall (U17633)
posted 1 minute ago
Another validation seeking article
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Tell us we’re the best damn it
posted on 25/2/20
Spain's big 2 have basically dominated the CL for the past 8 years or so. Dunc's comment is redundant.
posted on 25/2/20
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 29 minutes ago
not really a lazy argument though is it.
like i say, not wanting to take anything away from liverpool and what the achieved during that period, but for me it is much harder to win now.
you have to play more games to win the competition, and you are looking at 3 or 4 top teams from each major country, not just one.
i dont understand how people can not see how that makes it harder to win.
last season is a prime example.
you win the CL after finishing 4th the season before.
the competition is much vaster nowadays
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If we went back to the old format, how many European cups would be taken away from England in the last 30 years?
Go on, have a go.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
probably most, and that only validates my point... more teams are capable of winning it
posted on 25/2/20
comment by ♫♪ Gini Mini Mane Mo, Keita, Milner, Firmino ♪♫ (U19365)
posted 54 minutes ago
FFS, nostradunce really is hurting
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yes... the pain is unbearable
posted on 25/2/20
On this criteria, If this was looked at over the 15 year period, Chelsea would be on well over 50 pts
Not sure too many others would top that...yeah some money was spent in doing it to be fair...
posted on 25/2/20
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 31 minutes ago
not really a lazy argument though is it.
like i say, not wanting to take anything away from liverpool and what the achieved during that period, but for me it is much harder to win now.
you have to play more games to win the competition, and you are looking at 3 or 4 top teams from each major country, not just one.
i dont understand how people can not see how that makes it harder to win.
last season is a prime example.
you win the CL after finishing 4th the season before.
the competition is much vaster nowadays
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes you play more games but in this format you can draw/lose a couple and still win it. The old format lose and you’re out.
Also 3/4 top teams per country. Are you sure?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's not true. In the old format you could lose almost half your games and still win it. You could draw all of your games and still win it. This hasn't changed.
posted on 25/2/20
That Liverpool side 75/6, 76/7 were boring lumping it to Toshack for knock downs for Keegan.
Much better when KKK came in and got rid of donkey
posted on 25/2/20
Welsh
Yeah you could lose/draw one leg of each round and win the other. I’d say that’s harder than losing/drawing the first 3/4 group games and picking up form later on and still going through.
posted on 25/2/20
Liverpool are clearly the best team in the league and have already won the title, so there really isn't any reason they don't win another piece of silverware too, and they would need to if they want to be declared the greatest English side of all time.
posted on 25/2/20
comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 1 hour, 58 minutes ago
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 29 minutes ago
not really a lazy argument though is it.
like i say, not wanting to take anything away from liverpool and what the achieved during that period, but for me it is much harder to win now.
you have to play more games to win the competition, and you are looking at 3 or 4 top teams from each major country, not just one.
i dont understand how people can not see how that makes it harder to win.
last season is a prime example.
you win the CL after finishing 4th the season before.
the competition is much vaster nowadays
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If we went back to the old format, how many European cups would be taken away from England in the last 30 years?
Go on, have a go.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
probably most, and that only validates my point... more teams are capable of winning it
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We’ve established that most teams wouldn’t have won it. That’s the point.
posted on 25/2/20
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
On this criteria, If this was looked at over the 15 year period, Chelsea would be on well over 50 pts
Not sure too many others would top that...yeah some money was spent in doing it to be fair...
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by this I mean 2005 to now
By my quick reckoning the best 15(ish) year periods for English team success are
Liverpool 76-92 91 pts
Man Utd 92-07 63 pts
Chelsea 04-20 56 pts
doesn't include Charity Shields Euro Super Cups or World Club Championships (2 team/4 team playoffs)
posted on 25/2/20
When Liverpool won European Cups they had byes to te final.
In the late 70s and early 80s, Spanish and Italian football was at all time low
German sides were decent
1981, LIverpool played Oulun Palloseura, Aberdeen and CSKA Sofia to reach semis
1985 Lech Posnan, Benfica, Austria Vienna and Panathaniakos to reach final
posted on 25/2/20
comment by 14 to West Ham (U20729)
posted 15 minutes ago
When Liverpool won European Cups they had byes to te final.
In the late 70s and early 80s, Spanish and Italian football was at all time low
German sides were decent
1981, LIverpool played Oulun Palloseura, Aberdeen and CSKA Sofia to reach semis
1985 Lech Posnan, Benfica, Austria Vienna and Panathaniakos to reach final
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You can only beat what's in front of you...as the old adage goes
posted on 25/2/20
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by 14 to West Ham (U20729)
posted 15 minutes ago
When Liverpool won European Cups they had byes to te final.
In the late 70s and early 80s, Spanish and Italian football was at all time low
German sides were decent
1981, LIverpool played Oulun Palloseura, Aberdeen and CSKA Sofia to reach semis
1985 Lech Posnan, Benfica, Austria Vienna and Panathaniakos to reach final
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You can only beat what's in front of you...as the old adage goes
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Not our fault Spanish & Italian sides were garbage
posted on 25/2/20
comment by der kloppites Hi, wie geht es dir (U13373)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by 14 to West Ham (U20729)
posted 15 minutes ago
When Liverpool won European Cups they had byes to te final.
In the late 70s and early 80s, Spanish and Italian football was at all time low
German sides were decent
1981, LIverpool played Oulun Palloseura, Aberdeen and CSKA Sofia to reach semis
1985 Lech Posnan, Benfica, Austria Vienna and Panathaniakos to reach final
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You can only beat what's in front of you...as the old adage goes
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Not our fault Spanish & Italian sides were garbage
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No.
That's why Forest and even a poor Villa side won European Cup during that period.
Dundee United were cheated out of European Cup final v Roma
posted on 25/2/20
comment by 14 to West Ham (U20729)
posted 1 hour, 46 minutes ago
When Liverpool won European Cups they had byes to te final.
In the late 70s and early 80s, Spanish and Italian football was at all time low
German sides were decent
1981, LIverpool played Oulun Palloseura, Aberdeen and CSKA Sofia to reach semis
1985 Lech Posnan, Benfica, Austria Vienna and Panathaniakos to reach final
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Yeah, sounds easy.
Makes you wonder why so many other clubs weren't winning European cups. 🤔
Ah, that's right, you had to win your domestic league to qualify. 😉
posted on 25/2/20
comment by 14 to West Ham (U20729)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by der kloppites Hi, wie geht es dir (U13373)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by 14 to West Ham (U20729)
posted 15 minutes ago
When Liverpool won European Cups they had byes to te final.
In the late 70s and early 80s, Spanish and Italian football was at all time low
German sides were decent
1981, LIverpool played Oulun Palloseura, Aberdeen and CSKA Sofia to reach semis
1985 Lech Posnan, Benfica, Austria Vienna and Panathaniakos to reach final
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You can only beat what's in front of you...as the old adage goes
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not our fault Spanish & Italian sides were garbage
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No.
That's why Forest and even a poor Villa side won European Cup during that period.
Dundee United were cheated out of European Cup final v Roma
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Apart from all the other stuff you said being complete garbage, reminds how many times West Ham won this p 155 easy trophy. 🤔
posted on 25/2/20
1981, LIverpool played Oulun Palloseura, Aberdeen and CSKA Sofia to reach semis
=================================
1999 Man United came 2nd in the prem in 98, then won only 4 out of 10 games to reach the CL final.
posted on 25/2/20
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 32 seconds ago
1981, LIverpool played Oulun Palloseura, Aberdeen and CSKA Sofia to reach semis
=================================
1999 Man United came 2nd in the prem in 98, then won only 4 out of 10 games to reach the CL final.
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They played VG Juve and Barca sides tbf
posted on 25/2/20
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by 14 to West Ham (U20729)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by der kloppites Hi, wie geht es dir (U13373)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by 14 to West Ham (U20729)
posted 15 minutes ago
When Liverpool won European Cups they had byes to te final.
In the late 70s and early 80s, Spanish and Italian football was at all time low
German sides were decent
1981, LIverpool played Oulun Palloseura, Aberdeen and CSKA Sofia to reach semis
1985 Lech Posnan, Benfica, Austria Vienna and Panathaniakos to reach final
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You can only beat what's in front of you...as the old adage goes
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not our fault Spanish & Italian sides were garbage
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No.
That's why Forest and even a poor Villa side won European Cup during that period.
Dundee United were cheated out of European Cup final v Roma
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Apart from all the other stuff you said being complete garbage, reminds how many times West Ham won this p 155 easy trophy. 🤔
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Even West Ham reached a European final in 76. Easy in late 70s, early 80s
posted on 25/2/20
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 2 minutes ago
1981, LIverpool played Oulun Palloseura, Aberdeen and CSKA Sofia to reach semis
=================================
1999 Man United came 2nd in the prem in 98, then won only 4 out of 10 games to reach the CL final.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Fergie Aberdeen were the best Scottish club at the time. The time when Scottish clubs had a chance because they could compete financially which is impossible now and only limited to 2-3 leagues.
In those days everyone had a chance. Was a level playing field. Now it is a monopoly.
posted on 25/2/20
comment by (kash) I'm the Mané - 6 Times Baby (U1108)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 2 minutes ago
1981, LIverpool played Oulun Palloseura, Aberdeen and CSKA Sofia to reach semis
=================================
1999 Man United came 2nd in the prem in 98, then won only 4 out of 10 games to reach the CL final.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Fergie Aberdeen were the best Scottish club at the time. The time when Scottish clubs had a chance because they could compete financially which is impossible now and only limited to 2-3 leagues.
In those days everyone had a chance. Was a level playing field. Now it is a monopoly.
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Yes they won a European trophy too. So easy 1976-1984
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