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But countries cannot remain locked down like this for a year. Half the population would be homeless and unable to eat.
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 3 hours, 21 minutes ago
comment by Geoff Tipps (U1449)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 11 minutes ago
The best thing to come out of this would be if some lessons were learned about how our economic model isn't right and that most jobs can be done at home
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Most jobs?
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I’ll be honest, I don’t know a single person who works from home
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They do not exist.
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Sorry ladies, *most office jobs
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 1 minute ago
But countries cannot remain locked down like this for a year. Half the population would be homeless and unable to eat.
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Food can still be grown, harvested and delivered by essential workers, it's the economy structure that will need to change
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Sounds like you are expecting some kind of utopia to come out of all this, that simply won't happen.
When things do finally get back to normality, I imagine that in the initial months, politicians and in fact almost everybody will champion a new and better way of life.
In reality, give it a month or two and human beings will go back to the life they’d been living prior to this virus.
China’s telcos have lost 21m phone contracts.....death or poverty?
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
Sounds like you are expecting some kind of utopia to come out of all this, that simply won't happen.
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It's not utopia unless you set the bar of a utopia incredibly low - which unfortunately is sounds a lot like you've been conditioned to do. Probably terrified that anything not resembling todays deeply flawed model will lead us straight to communist russia
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
Sounds like you are expecting some kind of utopia to come out of all this, that simply won't happen.
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It's not utopia unless you set the bar of a utopia incredibly low - which unfortunately is sounds a lot like you've been conditioned to do. Probably terrified that anything not resembling todays deeply flawed model will lead us straight to communist russia
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Just not naive. Money rules and will always rule, a stand would have to be made for things to change, nobody is going to be in any kind of position to make a stand when all this is over because they will have to get back to work and dig themselves out of debt.
Before anybody gets too optimistic, this won't stop until we find a vaccine. They'll take us out of lockdown because of the collapsing economy, realise they fecked up once the number of Covid-19 cases rise again and then we'll be back in lockdown again.
We can't kill the spread through self isolation alone, we need a vaccine and that will take 18 months minimum.
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
Sounds like you are expecting some kind of utopia to come out of all this, that simply won't happen.
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It's not utopia unless you set the bar of a utopia incredibly low - which unfortunately is sounds a lot like you've been conditioned to do. Probably terrified that anything not resembling todays deeply flawed model will lead us straight to communist russia
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Just not naive. Money rules and will always rule, a stand would have to be made for things to change, nobody is going to be in any kind of position to make a stand when all this is over because they will have to get back to work and dig themselves out of debt.
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It will end eventually. The model we have now can't exist on a planet with finite resources. Sooner or later it has to change, hopefully sooner
I’ve been saying for ages that civilisation is pretty much on it’s knees. Nothing to do with viruses, just how we’re now living our lives. Social media, reality TV, so many people are now living their lives completely around these things and as a species we’re really ‘dumbing down’. Just give it a short while, some feckwit Internet celebrity will declare they’ve had enough of being dictated to and carry out some online stunt in defiance of the lockdown, and all the brainless disciples will follow suit, and the anarchy will begin.
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 6 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 1 minute ago
But countries cannot remain locked down like this for a year. Half the population would be homeless and unable to eat.
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Food can still be grown, harvested and delivered by essential workers, it's the economy structure that will need to change
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This isn't feasible after a long enough period.
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 23 minutes ago
I’ve been saying for ages that civilisation is pretty much on it’s knees. Nothing to do with viruses, just how we’re now living our lives. Social media, reality TV, so many people are now living their lives completely around these things and as a species we’re really ‘dumbing down’. Just give it a short while, some feckwit Internet celebrity will declare they’ve had enough of being dictated to and carry out some online stunt in defiance of the lockdown, and all the brainless disciples will follow suit, and the anarchy will begin.
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History suggests it goes in cycles. Dumb generations must exist at some point in order for clever generations to exist at other points in time.
We wouldn't be where we are today without dumb generations if were being honest. We've advanced too fast and now nature will need to cool the engine to prepare for another surge. The dumb generation is the advancement taking a well deserved rest.
''Just not naive. Money rules and will always rule, a stand would have to be made for things to change, nobody is going to be in any kind of position to make a stand when all this is over because they will have to get back to work and dig themselves out of debt''.
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This.
Money does always rule. The current system of 'fiat-currency', implemented in 1971 with the end of the Bretton-Woods Agreement, has been good for the 'baby-boomers' due to the constant inflation (around 1500% since '71) inherent with 'fiat' but a disaster for the majority of us.
When currency is printed from thin-air and is backed by nothing of real value then it is effectively worthless.
You CANNOT solve a debt crisis by printing more debt which is all that's been happening since the system imploded in 2008/09, think Weimar Republic/Zimbabwe. It's nuts!
Without exception, every 'fiat-currency' in history has failed and we are currently living through the latest death.
This began in September last year, as The Federal Reserves OWN figures show, when the banks once again became illiquid so The Fed had to step in to save this giant ponzi-scheme (again!) by pumping hundreds of billions of dollars into the failing system. This is MAJOR yet never,and not for the first time, mentioned on MSM?
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/RPONTSYD
A few months AFTER the system imploded we have Covid-19.
A force majuere? An ideal scape-goat? A 'planned-emic'?
Who knows for sure, but until a new financial system is implemented, a system that helps us ALL and not just the 1% then expect a future of more of the same. People won't protest because people aren't taught how the system is truly run, that would be against the interests of those who benefit.
''It's easier to con a man than convince him that he's been conned'' has never been more appropriate.
That's the shame of it all. Sadly.
^^^^^ This
What we are witnessing is the collapse of the monetary system and the end of industrial civilisation. We built a society dependant on cheap and accessible oil, and it's all gone.
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 51 minutes ago
I’ve been saying for ages that civilisation is pretty much on it’s knees. Nothing to do with viruses, just how we’re now living our lives. Social media, reality TV, so many people are now living their lives completely around these things and as a species we’re really ‘dumbing down’. Just give it a short while, some feckwit Internet celebrity will declare they’ve had enough of being dictated to and carry out some online stunt in defiance of the lockdown, and all the brainless disciples will follow suit, and the anarchy will begin.
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Are you my long lost twin brother, as I feel the same lol.
Only positive is reduced pollution at present.
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 2 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
Sounds like you are expecting some kind of utopia to come out of all this, that simply won't happen.
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It's not utopia unless you set the bar of a utopia incredibly low - which unfortunately is sounds a lot like you've been conditioned to do. Probably terrified that anything not resembling todays deeply flawed model will lead us straight to communist russia
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Just not naive. Money rules and will always rule, a stand would have to be made for things to change, nobody is going to be in any kind of position to make a stand when all this is over because they will have to get back to work and dig themselves out of debt.
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It will end eventually. The model we have now can't exist on a planet with finite resources. Sooner or later it has to change, hopefully sooner
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Too many people, not enough humanity.
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 51 minutes ago
I’ve been saying for ages that civilisation is pretty much on it’s knees. Nothing to do with viruses, just how we’re now living our lives. Social media, reality TV, so many people are now living their lives completely around these things and as a species we’re really ‘dumbing down’. Just give it a short while, some feckwit Internet celebrity will declare they’ve had enough of being dictated to and carry out some online stunt in defiance of the lockdown, and all the brainless disciples will follow suit, and the anarchy will begin.
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Are you my long lost twin brother, as I feel the same lol.
Only positive is reduced pollution at present.
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I was fostered at two and have no idea what my bloodline is, so who knows!
That is one silver lining, apparently the air is a lot cleaner already, shame it’ll just revert to normal when it’s all over....
''It's easier to con (sic) a man than convince him that he's been conned (sic)"
+++
This saying in no more evident than within the pages and pages the clueless comments you can read daily on discussion website such as this one
comment by RB&W 'The Judge' (U21434)
posted 17 minutes ago
''It's easier to con (sic) a man than convince him that he's been conned (sic)"
+++
This saying in no more evident than within the pages and pages the clueless comments you can read daily on discussion website such as this one
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And you’ve only just realised this?
comment by RB&W 'The Judge' (U21434)
posted 19 minutes ago
''It's easier to con (sic) a man than convince him that he's been conned (sic)"
+++
This saying in no more evident than within the pages and pages the clueless comments you can read daily on discussion website such as this one
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Severe economic damage also costs lives, so this is a genuine topic to discuss. However, in the current concrete situation, I'm not sure the 'accept more deaths as a price worth paying to protect the economy' works. While we have a temporary crisis that's so bad we effectively have to shut down all non-essential parts of the economy and switch to a socialist command economy, insofar as this is done effectively, the economic impact doesn't cost lives. Food and medicine continue to reach people. As long as this is measured in months, not years, people aren't going to die from this kind of economic inactivity. Start up economic activity prematurely and another spike in infections will cause more deaths and, yes, more economic damage.
When you don't have a command economy that ensures everyone has the essentials, then much less severe economic downturns can kill. For instance, research suggests that the austerity period killed far more people in the UK than the Covid-19 death toll (based on current estimates).
This isn't an argument for a long-term command economy, by the way. We should all know the flaws in that model. A well-regulated mixed economy provides the best of both worlds.
Money rules until i doesn't. A virus does not pay any attention to our needs.
Going in cycles of back to work, back to isolation would do far more damage than taking it on the chin now.
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posted on 30/3/20
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posted on 30/3/20
But countries cannot remain locked down like this for a year. Half the population would be homeless and unable to eat.
posted on 30/3/20
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 3 hours, 21 minutes ago
comment by Geoff Tipps (U1449)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 11 minutes ago
The best thing to come out of this would be if some lessons were learned about how our economic model isn't right and that most jobs can be done at home
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Most jobs?
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I’ll be honest, I don’t know a single person who works from home
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They do not exist.
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Sorry ladies, *most office jobs
posted on 30/3/20
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 1 minute ago
But countries cannot remain locked down like this for a year. Half the population would be homeless and unable to eat.
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Food can still be grown, harvested and delivered by essential workers, it's the economy structure that will need to change
posted on 30/3/20
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 30/3/20
Sounds like you are expecting some kind of utopia to come out of all this, that simply won't happen.
posted on 30/3/20
When things do finally get back to normality, I imagine that in the initial months, politicians and in fact almost everybody will champion a new and better way of life.
In reality, give it a month or two and human beings will go back to the life they’d been living prior to this virus.
posted on 30/3/20
China’s telcos have lost 21m phone contracts.....death or poverty?
posted on 30/3/20
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
Sounds like you are expecting some kind of utopia to come out of all this, that simply won't happen.
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It's not utopia unless you set the bar of a utopia incredibly low - which unfortunately is sounds a lot like you've been conditioned to do. Probably terrified that anything not resembling todays deeply flawed model will lead us straight to communist russia
posted on 30/3/20
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
Sounds like you are expecting some kind of utopia to come out of all this, that simply won't happen.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's not utopia unless you set the bar of a utopia incredibly low - which unfortunately is sounds a lot like you've been conditioned to do. Probably terrified that anything not resembling todays deeply flawed model will lead us straight to communist russia
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Just not naive. Money rules and will always rule, a stand would have to be made for things to change, nobody is going to be in any kind of position to make a stand when all this is over because they will have to get back to work and dig themselves out of debt.
posted on 30/3/20
Before anybody gets too optimistic, this won't stop until we find a vaccine. They'll take us out of lockdown because of the collapsing economy, realise they fecked up once the number of Covid-19 cases rise again and then we'll be back in lockdown again.
We can't kill the spread through self isolation alone, we need a vaccine and that will take 18 months minimum.
posted on 30/3/20
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
Sounds like you are expecting some kind of utopia to come out of all this, that simply won't happen.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's not utopia unless you set the bar of a utopia incredibly low - which unfortunately is sounds a lot like you've been conditioned to do. Probably terrified that anything not resembling todays deeply flawed model will lead us straight to communist russia
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Just not naive. Money rules and will always rule, a stand would have to be made for things to change, nobody is going to be in any kind of position to make a stand when all this is over because they will have to get back to work and dig themselves out of debt.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It will end eventually. The model we have now can't exist on a planet with finite resources. Sooner or later it has to change, hopefully sooner
posted on 30/3/20
I’ve been saying for ages that civilisation is pretty much on it’s knees. Nothing to do with viruses, just how we’re now living our lives. Social media, reality TV, so many people are now living their lives completely around these things and as a species we’re really ‘dumbing down’. Just give it a short while, some feckwit Internet celebrity will declare they’ve had enough of being dictated to and carry out some online stunt in defiance of the lockdown, and all the brainless disciples will follow suit, and the anarchy will begin.
posted on 30/3/20
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 6 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 1 minute ago
But countries cannot remain locked down like this for a year. Half the population would be homeless and unable to eat.
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Food can still be grown, harvested and delivered by essential workers, it's the economy structure that will need to change
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This isn't feasible after a long enough period.
posted on 30/3/20
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 23 minutes ago
I’ve been saying for ages that civilisation is pretty much on it’s knees. Nothing to do with viruses, just how we’re now living our lives. Social media, reality TV, so many people are now living their lives completely around these things and as a species we’re really ‘dumbing down’. Just give it a short while, some feckwit Internet celebrity will declare they’ve had enough of being dictated to and carry out some online stunt in defiance of the lockdown, and all the brainless disciples will follow suit, and the anarchy will begin.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
History suggests it goes in cycles. Dumb generations must exist at some point in order for clever generations to exist at other points in time.
We wouldn't be where we are today without dumb generations if were being honest. We've advanced too fast and now nature will need to cool the engine to prepare for another surge. The dumb generation is the advancement taking a well deserved rest.
posted on 30/3/20
''Just not naive. Money rules and will always rule, a stand would have to be made for things to change, nobody is going to be in any kind of position to make a stand when all this is over because they will have to get back to work and dig themselves out of debt''.
-------------------------------------------
This.
Money does always rule. The current system of 'fiat-currency', implemented in 1971 with the end of the Bretton-Woods Agreement, has been good for the 'baby-boomers' due to the constant inflation (around 1500% since '71) inherent with 'fiat' but a disaster for the majority of us.
When currency is printed from thin-air and is backed by nothing of real value then it is effectively worthless.
You CANNOT solve a debt crisis by printing more debt which is all that's been happening since the system imploded in 2008/09, think Weimar Republic/Zimbabwe. It's nuts!
Without exception, every 'fiat-currency' in history has failed and we are currently living through the latest death.
This began in September last year, as The Federal Reserves OWN figures show, when the banks once again became illiquid so The Fed had to step in to save this giant ponzi-scheme (again!) by pumping hundreds of billions of dollars into the failing system. This is MAJOR yet never,and not for the first time, mentioned on MSM?
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/RPONTSYD
A few months AFTER the system imploded we have Covid-19.
A force majuere? An ideal scape-goat? A 'planned-emic'?
Who knows for sure, but until a new financial system is implemented, a system that helps us ALL and not just the 1% then expect a future of more of the same. People won't protest because people aren't taught how the system is truly run, that would be against the interests of those who benefit.
''It's easier to con a man than convince him that he's been conned'' has never been more appropriate.
That's the shame of it all. Sadly.
posted on 30/3/20
^^^^^ This
What we are witnessing is the collapse of the monetary system and the end of industrial civilisation. We built a society dependant on cheap and accessible oil, and it's all gone.
posted on 30/3/20
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 51 minutes ago
I’ve been saying for ages that civilisation is pretty much on it’s knees. Nothing to do with viruses, just how we’re now living our lives. Social media, reality TV, so many people are now living their lives completely around these things and as a species we’re really ‘dumbing down’. Just give it a short while, some feckwit Internet celebrity will declare they’ve had enough of being dictated to and carry out some online stunt in defiance of the lockdown, and all the brainless disciples will follow suit, and the anarchy will begin.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Are you my long lost twin brother, as I feel the same lol.
Only positive is reduced pollution at present.
posted on 30/3/20
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 2 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
Sounds like you are expecting some kind of utopia to come out of all this, that simply won't happen.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's not utopia unless you set the bar of a utopia incredibly low - which unfortunately is sounds a lot like you've been conditioned to do. Probably terrified that anything not resembling todays deeply flawed model will lead us straight to communist russia
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Just not naive. Money rules and will always rule, a stand would have to be made for things to change, nobody is going to be in any kind of position to make a stand when all this is over because they will have to get back to work and dig themselves out of debt.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It will end eventually. The model we have now can't exist on a planet with finite resources. Sooner or later it has to change, hopefully sooner
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Too many people, not enough humanity.
posted on 30/3/20
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 51 minutes ago
I’ve been saying for ages that civilisation is pretty much on it’s knees. Nothing to do with viruses, just how we’re now living our lives. Social media, reality TV, so many people are now living their lives completely around these things and as a species we’re really ‘dumbing down’. Just give it a short while, some feckwit Internet celebrity will declare they’ve had enough of being dictated to and carry out some online stunt in defiance of the lockdown, and all the brainless disciples will follow suit, and the anarchy will begin.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Are you my long lost twin brother, as I feel the same lol.
Only positive is reduced pollution at present.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I was fostered at two and have no idea what my bloodline is, so who knows!
That is one silver lining, apparently the air is a lot cleaner already, shame it’ll just revert to normal when it’s all over....
posted on 30/3/20
''It's easier to con (sic) a man than convince him that he's been conned (sic)"
+++
This saying in no more evident than within the pages and pages the clueless comments you can read daily on discussion website such as this one
posted on 30/3/20
comment by RB&W 'The Judge' (U21434)
posted 17 minutes ago
''It's easier to con (sic) a man than convince him that he's been conned (sic)"
+++
This saying in no more evident than within the pages and pages the clueless comments you can read daily on discussion website such as this one
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And you’ve only just realised this?
posted on 30/3/20
comment by RB&W 'The Judge' (U21434)
posted 19 minutes ago
''It's easier to con (sic) a man than convince him that he's been conned (sic)"
+++
This saying in no more evident than within the pages and pages the clueless comments you can read daily on discussion website such as this one
----------------------------------------------------------------------
posted on 30/3/20
Severe economic damage also costs lives, so this is a genuine topic to discuss. However, in the current concrete situation, I'm not sure the 'accept more deaths as a price worth paying to protect the economy' works. While we have a temporary crisis that's so bad we effectively have to shut down all non-essential parts of the economy and switch to a socialist command economy, insofar as this is done effectively, the economic impact doesn't cost lives. Food and medicine continue to reach people. As long as this is measured in months, not years, people aren't going to die from this kind of economic inactivity. Start up economic activity prematurely and another spike in infections will cause more deaths and, yes, more economic damage.
When you don't have a command economy that ensures everyone has the essentials, then much less severe economic downturns can kill. For instance, research suggests that the austerity period killed far more people in the UK than the Covid-19 death toll (based on current estimates).
This isn't an argument for a long-term command economy, by the way. We should all know the flaws in that model. A well-regulated mixed economy provides the best of both worlds.
posted on 30/3/20
Money rules until i doesn't. A virus does not pay any attention to our needs.
Going in cycles of back to work, back to isolation would do far more damage than taking it on the chin now.
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