Why'd you delete my comment?
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
OP
Never going to happen.
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you mean I don't want this to happen
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robb, the fourth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 2 minutes ago
It’s a bit unfair to the teams who would normally benefit from home advantage.
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Brings the integrity of the league into question as it’s not a level playing field
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I agree, but I think that the PL will be prepared to sacrifice that if they can get the season finished.
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90% of teams in the 5 top divisions will have a better home than away record and the reason for that is its an advantage to play on your own ground.
If a team are relegated by a point after having had to play a rival at a neutral ground (possibly without a crowd) when that rival had the reverse fixture at home they will be very upset.
Its a potential mine field and I can see relegation threatened clubs refusing to accept it.
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Yup, would be nonsensical. All teams if the league is to be finished properly, have to play each other both home and away, or else it gets abandoned.
Cobbling together a quick fix to finish it is completely riciculous. If the season cannot finish in a proper way, then it has to be binned.
Cobbling together a quick fix to finish it is completely riciculous. If the season cannot finish in a proper way, then it has to be binned.
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It is ridiculous. The season's already over as far as I'm concerned.
comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 3 minutes ago
Why'd you delete my comment?
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Must have slipped
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robb, the fourth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 2 minutes ago
It’s a bit unfair to the teams who would normally benefit from home advantage.
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Brings the integrity of the league into question as it’s not a level playing field
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I agree, but I think that the PL will be prepared to sacrifice that if they can get the season finished.
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90% of teams in the 5 top divisions will have a better home than away record and the reason for that is its an advantage to play on your own ground.
If a team are relegated by a point after having had to play a rival at a neutral ground (possibly without a crowd) when that rival had the reverse fixture at home they will be very upset.
Its a potential mine field and I can see relegation threatened clubs refusing to accept it.
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Yup, would be nonsensical. All teams if the league is to be finished properly, have to play each other both home and away, or else it gets abandoned.
Cobbling together a quick fix to finish it is completely riciculous. If the season cannot finish in a proper way, then it has to be binned.
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I do think that the season is over. But this is probably the most realistic option to get it finished. We just have to wait and see how the virus pans out and spreads.
Good article Elvis
I think it can be done. Have to see where we are at the beginning of May. If it's too dangerous then yeah, don't try it but you never know what the situation will be and our handling of covid will improve as we learn more about it.
Looking at the consequences of failing to complete the season for the PL and all interested parties, the league is right to try and find ways to complete it if possible.
Tiddles, one of the issues surrounds contracts and how clubs, and leagues, navigate the complications that arise by not being able to finish the current seasons by a certain time.
This is particularly important to clubs in leagues below the prem, where many clubs have a lot more trouble balancing their books.
You also have the potential for leagues to descend into farce if the league is resumed after players are out of contract with their current clubs.
It even presents a problem for premier league clubs. Sheffield United, for example, have a few players out of contract and Henderson on loan from us.
How are these issues resolved given contract law?
comment by Scouze Doggie Dog (U22357)
posted 31 seconds ago
Good article Elvis
I think it can be done. Have to see where we are at the beginning of May. If it's too dangerous then yeah, don't try it but you never know what the situation will be and our handling of covid will improve as we learn more about it.
Looking at the consequences of failing to complete the season for the PL and all interested parties, the league is right to try and find ways to complete it if possible.
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If it is safe enough to do so then I think that this idea is the best one floated so far. If the fixtures are going to happen that it is behind closed doors. So might as well get the teams in close proximity, reduce travel etc and get the games completed ASAP.
comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 7 minutes ago
Cobbling together a quick fix to finish it is completely riciculous. If the season cannot finish in a proper way, then it has to be binned.
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It is ridiculous. The season's already over as far as I'm concerned.
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Sound.
You and Sandy can do one, while the rest of us enjoy the end of the season, whenever that is.
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robb, the fourth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 2 minutes ago
It’s a bit unfair to the teams who would normally benefit from home advantage.
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Brings the integrity of the league into question as it’s not a level playing field
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I agree, but I think that the PL will be prepared to sacrifice that if they can get the season finished.
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90% of teams in the 5 top divisions will have a better home than away record and the reason for that is its an advantage to play on your own ground.
If a team are relegated by a point after having had to play a rival at a neutral ground (possibly without a crowd) when that rival had the reverse fixture at home they will be very upset.
Its a potential mine field and I can see relegation threatened clubs refusing to accept it.
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Yup, would be nonsensical. All teams if the league is to be finished properly, have to play each other both home and away, or else it gets abandoned.
Cobbling together a quick fix to finish it is completely riciculous. If the season cannot finish in a proper way, then it has to be binned.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But covid is a special circumstance and special circumstances call for special measures. Either covid is a big deal or it isn't.
According to reports there is a payment due from TV companies in May which will not be paid if the season won't be completed. It is further reported that some clubs will be immediately in trouble without this money.
You are not cognizant of the consequences of not finishing the league, and neither do you want to reckon it.
You may think it ridiculous but if this can be done with a degree of safety it will save a lot of clubs from going into the red, it will save many jobs and wages will be paid by all companies involved in football. In fact, it could arguably save football for the foreseeable.
Your opinion that its ridiculous become irrelevant in view of that.
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
Tiddles, one of the issues surrounds contracts and how clubs, and leagues, navigate the complications that arise by not being able to finish the current seasons by a certain time.
This is particularly important to clubs in leagues below the prem, where many clubs have a lot more trouble balancing their books.
You also have the potential for leagues to descend into farce if the league is resumed after players are out of contract with their current clubs.
It even presents a problem for premier league clubs. Sheffield United, for example, have a few players out of contract and Henderson on loan from us.
How are these issues resolved given contract law?
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Common sense dictates that the best option is whatever allows United to compete in the next season of CL football whilst also not awarding any titles this year.
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robb, the fourth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 2 minutes ago
It’s a bit unfair to the teams who would normally benefit from home advantage.
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Brings the integrity of the league into question as it’s not a level playing field
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I agree, but I think that the PL will be prepared to sacrifice that if they can get the season finished.
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90% of teams in the 5 top divisions will have a better home than away record and the reason for that is its an advantage to play on your own ground.
If a team are relegated by a point after having had to play a rival at a neutral ground (possibly without a crowd) when that rival had the reverse fixture at home they will be very upset.
Its a potential mine field and I can see relegation threatened clubs refusing to accept it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yup, would be nonsensical. All teams if the league is to be finished properly, have to play each other both home and away, or else it gets abandoned.
Cobbling together a quick fix to finish it is completely riciculous. If the season cannot finish in a proper way, then it has to be binned.
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I'm surprised that so many folk think this is a goer. Alot of teams have 9 games left and 50% of them will have more home than away games. Why would they give away that advantage when Prem relegation will cost any club a kings ransom?
These clubs will fight tooth and nail to prevent neutral grounds being a solution.
Diafol, I wouldn’t object to that.
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 11 minutes ago
Tiddles, one of the issues surrounds contracts and how clubs, and leagues, navigate the complications that arise by not being able to finish the current seasons by a certain time.
This is particularly important to clubs in leagues below the prem, where many clubs have a lot more trouble balancing their books.
You also have the potential for leagues to descend into farce if the league is resumed after players are out of contract with their current clubs.
It even presents a problem for premier league clubs. Sheffield United, for example, have a few players out of contract and Henderson on loan from us.
How are these issues resolved given contract law?
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Of course there is a whole host of issues that far more clever people than I are working on right now. Personally i think they’ll find a way to get it done, but we will see.
My main gripe isn’t whether people think it will/should be completed, I’ve resigned myself to the fact that there’s a high chance we don’t get awarded the league despite being 2 wins away from it. It’s when people use the excuse of “it’ll disrupt next season though!”.
Next season is already disrupted. And it’s only 1 month to finish the current campaign, so if it’s only to do with time then just finish the season. But if it comes down to the sheer complexity of contract law then i can understand why it may need to be finished up.
Still sucks though
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
Diafol, I wouldn’t object to that.
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It's the only fair way I think. If it means United giving up the chance of two trophies (FA Cup and Europa League) for the greater good of the health of the UK then so be it. Bigger things than football to worry about at present.
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robb, the fourth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 2 minutes ago
It’s a bit unfair to the teams who would normally benefit from home advantage.
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Brings the integrity of the league into question as it’s not a level playing field
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I agree, but I think that the PL will be prepared to sacrifice that if they can get the season finished.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
90% of teams in the 5 top divisions will have a better home than away record and the reason for that is its an advantage to play on your own ground.
If a team are relegated by a point after having had to play a rival at a neutral ground (possibly without a crowd) when that rival had the reverse fixture at home they will be very upset.
Its a potential mine field and I can see relegation threatened clubs refusing to accept it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yup, would be nonsensical. All teams if the league is to be finished properly, have to play each other both home and away, or else it gets abandoned.
Cobbling together a quick fix to finish it is completely riciculous. If the season cannot finish in a proper way, then it has to be binned.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm surprised that so many folk think this is a goer. Alot of teams have 9 games left and 50% of them will have more home than away games. Why would they give away that advantage when Prem relegation will cost any club a kings ransom?
These clubs will fight tooth and nail to prevent neutral grounds being a solution.
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Playing behind closed doors is the only feasible way of completing the season. So home and away advantage has already gone as far as I am concerned. And the clubs will be happy for the season to be completed so that they can get their TV money and pay their bills/wages.
Tiddles
I think with regard to the disruption of next season there are differing arguments for why people have said it. There are financial disruptions as well as the scheduling.
And given we don’t know when either season can be resumed, and in what capacity, it’s hard to judge just what the impact will be.
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robb, the fourth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 2 minutes ago
It’s a bit unfair to the teams who would normally benefit from home advantage.
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Brings the integrity of the league into question as it’s not a level playing field
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I agree, but I think that the PL will be prepared to sacrifice that if they can get the season finished.
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90% of teams in the 5 top divisions will have a better home than away record and the reason for that is its an advantage to play on your own ground.
If a team are relegated by a point after having had to play a rival at a neutral ground (possibly without a crowd) when that rival had the reverse fixture at home they will be very upset.
Its a potential mine field and I can see relegation threatened clubs refusing to accept it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yup, would be nonsensical. All teams if the league is to be finished properly, have to play each other both home and away, or else it gets abandoned.
Cobbling together a quick fix to finish it is completely riciculous. If the season cannot finish in a proper way, then it has to be binned.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm surprised that so many folk think this is a goer. Alot of teams have 9 games left and 50% of them will have more home than away games. Why would they give away that advantage when Prem relegation will cost any club a kings ransom?
These clubs will fight tooth and nail to prevent neutral grounds being a solution.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Playing behind closed doors is the only feasible way of completing the season. So home and away advantage has already gone as far as I am concerned. And the clubs will be happy for the season to be completed so that they can get their TV money and pay their bills/wages.
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If it cannot be completed properly, then it would have to be abandoned.
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robb, the fourth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 2 minutes ago
It’s a bit unfair to the teams who would normally benefit from home advantage.
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Brings the integrity of the league into question as it’s not a level playing field
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I agree, but I think that the PL will be prepared to sacrifice that if they can get the season finished.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
90% of teams in the 5 top divisions will have a better home than away record and the reason for that is its an advantage to play on your own ground.
If a team are relegated by a point after having had to play a rival at a neutral ground (possibly without a crowd) when that rival had the reverse fixture at home they will be very upset.
Its a potential mine field and I can see relegation threatened clubs refusing to accept it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yup, would be nonsensical. All teams if the league is to be finished properly, have to play each other both home and away, or else it gets abandoned.
Cobbling together a quick fix to finish it is completely riciculous. If the season cannot finish in a proper way, then it has to be binned.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm surprised that so many folk think this is a goer. Alot of teams have 9 games left and 50% of them will have more home than away games. Why would they give away that advantage when Prem relegation will cost any club a kings ransom?
These clubs will fight tooth and nail to prevent neutral grounds being a solution.
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By the same token, clubs denied titles and promotion will bring down the leagues if they have to. Its reported these clubs are ready to sue as we speak and next season would not start before these cases are done and dusted. These cases can be filed but will not be heard in the middle of a pandemic so canceling this season=guaranteeing next season is in trouble immediately.
The lesser evil is to complete the season. At least teams will have a chance to fight for what they get, rather than being told it was all for nothing and back to last season's results.
Furthermore, how will clubs survive if the season isn't completed? Wage cuts are being enforced now, TV companies losing lots of money, the necessary payments won't be made etc. We'd rather some clubs have some contract situations with one or two players than cancel the season.
You ignore the consequences of canceling a season, which are greater than your concerns.
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robb, the fourth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 2 minutes ago
It’s a bit unfair to the teams who would normally benefit from home advantage.
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Brings the integrity of the league into question as it’s not a level playing field
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I agree, but I think that the PL will be prepared to sacrifice that if they can get the season finished.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
90% of teams in the 5 top divisions will have a better home than away record and the reason for that is its an advantage to play on your own ground.
If a team are relegated by a point after having had to play a rival at a neutral ground (possibly without a crowd) when that rival had the reverse fixture at home they will be very upset.
Its a potential mine field and I can see relegation threatened clubs refusing to accept it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yup, would be nonsensical. All teams if the league is to be finished properly, have to play each other both home and away, or else it gets abandoned.
Cobbling together a quick fix to finish it is completely riciculous. If the season cannot finish in a proper way, then it has to be binned.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm surprised that so many folk think this is a goer. Alot of teams have 9 games left and 50% of them will have more home than away games. Why would they give away that advantage when Prem relegation will cost any club a kings ransom?
These clubs will fight tooth and nail to prevent neutral grounds being a solution.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Playing behind closed doors is the only feasible way of completing the season. So home and away advantage has already gone as far as I am concerned. And the clubs will be happy for the season to be completed so that they can get their TV money and pay their bills/wages.
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If it cannot be completed properly, then it would have to be abandoned.
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The consequences of which will alter football as we know it. Unless there's a bail out for clubs how will they survive? Many clubs will be in the red by summer.
Apparently Hearts have reduced player wages and threatened to get rid of those who protest. Just read on another thread that SPL clubs can terminate staff contracts if the season isn't finished.
The SPL isn't as rich as the Prem but the effects of this will be reaching English football soon as well.
If it gets to the stage where it’s having such a significant impact on football as we know it then finishing the season will be the least of the worries for the clubs and leagues. Particularly in Scotland.
Yeah, if the seasons aren't finished then someone will be losing a billion or two in all the major leagues. Football in general could lose much more than that and what happens to the players who might have no wage or club to play for.
I imagine lower clubs in Spain and Italy will be really concerned. Football is in a bit of danger here.
Will the TV companies which are losing subscribers write off the losses or will it be absorbed by the clubs? Someone has to take the hit, no?
Germany are doing anti body tests and certificates. It's what everyone should be doing..if you've had it (and survived) then you can re-enter the populus. Just have people show their certificates before entering the stadiums.
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posted on 31/3/20
Why'd you delete my comment?
posted on 31/3/20
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
OP
Never going to happen.
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you mean I don't want this to happen
posted on 31/3/20
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robb, the fourth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 2 minutes ago
It’s a bit unfair to the teams who would normally benefit from home advantage.
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Brings the integrity of the league into question as it’s not a level playing field
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I agree, but I think that the PL will be prepared to sacrifice that if they can get the season finished.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
90% of teams in the 5 top divisions will have a better home than away record and the reason for that is its an advantage to play on your own ground.
If a team are relegated by a point after having had to play a rival at a neutral ground (possibly without a crowd) when that rival had the reverse fixture at home they will be very upset.
Its a potential mine field and I can see relegation threatened clubs refusing to accept it.
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Yup, would be nonsensical. All teams if the league is to be finished properly, have to play each other both home and away, or else it gets abandoned.
Cobbling together a quick fix to finish it is completely riciculous. If the season cannot finish in a proper way, then it has to be binned.
posted on 31/3/20
Cobbling together a quick fix to finish it is completely riciculous. If the season cannot finish in a proper way, then it has to be binned.
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It is ridiculous. The season's already over as far as I'm concerned.
posted on 31/3/20
comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 3 minutes ago
Why'd you delete my comment?
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Must have slipped
posted on 31/3/20
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robb, the fourth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 2 minutes ago
It’s a bit unfair to the teams who would normally benefit from home advantage.
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Brings the integrity of the league into question as it’s not a level playing field
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I agree, but I think that the PL will be prepared to sacrifice that if they can get the season finished.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
90% of teams in the 5 top divisions will have a better home than away record and the reason for that is its an advantage to play on your own ground.
If a team are relegated by a point after having had to play a rival at a neutral ground (possibly without a crowd) when that rival had the reverse fixture at home they will be very upset.
Its a potential mine field and I can see relegation threatened clubs refusing to accept it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yup, would be nonsensical. All teams if the league is to be finished properly, have to play each other both home and away, or else it gets abandoned.
Cobbling together a quick fix to finish it is completely riciculous. If the season cannot finish in a proper way, then it has to be binned.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I do think that the season is over. But this is probably the most realistic option to get it finished. We just have to wait and see how the virus pans out and spreads.
posted on 31/3/20
Good article Elvis
I think it can be done. Have to see where we are at the beginning of May. If it's too dangerous then yeah, don't try it but you never know what the situation will be and our handling of covid will improve as we learn more about it.
Looking at the consequences of failing to complete the season for the PL and all interested parties, the league is right to try and find ways to complete it if possible.
posted on 31/3/20
Tiddles, one of the issues surrounds contracts and how clubs, and leagues, navigate the complications that arise by not being able to finish the current seasons by a certain time.
This is particularly important to clubs in leagues below the prem, where many clubs have a lot more trouble balancing their books.
You also have the potential for leagues to descend into farce if the league is resumed after players are out of contract with their current clubs.
It even presents a problem for premier league clubs. Sheffield United, for example, have a few players out of contract and Henderson on loan from us.
How are these issues resolved given contract law?
posted on 31/3/20
comment by Scouze Doggie Dog (U22357)
posted 31 seconds ago
Good article Elvis
I think it can be done. Have to see where we are at the beginning of May. If it's too dangerous then yeah, don't try it but you never know what the situation will be and our handling of covid will improve as we learn more about it.
Looking at the consequences of failing to complete the season for the PL and all interested parties, the league is right to try and find ways to complete it if possible.
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If it is safe enough to do so then I think that this idea is the best one floated so far. If the fixtures are going to happen that it is behind closed doors. So might as well get the teams in close proximity, reduce travel etc and get the games completed ASAP.
posted on 31/3/20
comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 7 minutes ago
Cobbling together a quick fix to finish it is completely riciculous. If the season cannot finish in a proper way, then it has to be binned.
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It is ridiculous. The season's already over as far as I'm concerned.
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Sound.
You and Sandy can do one, while the rest of us enjoy the end of the season, whenever that is.
posted on 31/3/20
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robb, the fourth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 2 minutes ago
It’s a bit unfair to the teams who would normally benefit from home advantage.
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Brings the integrity of the league into question as it’s not a level playing field
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I agree, but I think that the PL will be prepared to sacrifice that if they can get the season finished.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
90% of teams in the 5 top divisions will have a better home than away record and the reason for that is its an advantage to play on your own ground.
If a team are relegated by a point after having had to play a rival at a neutral ground (possibly without a crowd) when that rival had the reverse fixture at home they will be very upset.
Its a potential mine field and I can see relegation threatened clubs refusing to accept it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yup, would be nonsensical. All teams if the league is to be finished properly, have to play each other both home and away, or else it gets abandoned.
Cobbling together a quick fix to finish it is completely riciculous. If the season cannot finish in a proper way, then it has to be binned.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But covid is a special circumstance and special circumstances call for special measures. Either covid is a big deal or it isn't.
According to reports there is a payment due from TV companies in May which will not be paid if the season won't be completed. It is further reported that some clubs will be immediately in trouble without this money.
You are not cognizant of the consequences of not finishing the league, and neither do you want to reckon it.
You may think it ridiculous but if this can be done with a degree of safety it will save a lot of clubs from going into the red, it will save many jobs and wages will be paid by all companies involved in football. In fact, it could arguably save football for the foreseeable.
Your opinion that its ridiculous become irrelevant in view of that.
posted on 31/3/20
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
Tiddles, one of the issues surrounds contracts and how clubs, and leagues, navigate the complications that arise by not being able to finish the current seasons by a certain time.
This is particularly important to clubs in leagues below the prem, where many clubs have a lot more trouble balancing their books.
You also have the potential for leagues to descend into farce if the league is resumed after players are out of contract with their current clubs.
It even presents a problem for premier league clubs. Sheffield United, for example, have a few players out of contract and Henderson on loan from us.
How are these issues resolved given contract law?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Common sense dictates that the best option is whatever allows United to compete in the next season of CL football whilst also not awarding any titles this year.
posted on 31/3/20
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robb, the fourth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 2 minutes ago
It’s a bit unfair to the teams who would normally benefit from home advantage.
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Brings the integrity of the league into question as it’s not a level playing field
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I agree, but I think that the PL will be prepared to sacrifice that if they can get the season finished.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
90% of teams in the 5 top divisions will have a better home than away record and the reason for that is its an advantage to play on your own ground.
If a team are relegated by a point after having had to play a rival at a neutral ground (possibly without a crowd) when that rival had the reverse fixture at home they will be very upset.
Its a potential mine field and I can see relegation threatened clubs refusing to accept it.
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Yup, would be nonsensical. All teams if the league is to be finished properly, have to play each other both home and away, or else it gets abandoned.
Cobbling together a quick fix to finish it is completely riciculous. If the season cannot finish in a proper way, then it has to be binned.
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I'm surprised that so many folk think this is a goer. Alot of teams have 9 games left and 50% of them will have more home than away games. Why would they give away that advantage when Prem relegation will cost any club a kings ransom?
These clubs will fight tooth and nail to prevent neutral grounds being a solution.
posted on 31/3/20
Diafol, I wouldn’t object to that.
posted on 31/3/20
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 11 minutes ago
Tiddles, one of the issues surrounds contracts and how clubs, and leagues, navigate the complications that arise by not being able to finish the current seasons by a certain time.
This is particularly important to clubs in leagues below the prem, where many clubs have a lot more trouble balancing their books.
You also have the potential for leagues to descend into farce if the league is resumed after players are out of contract with their current clubs.
It even presents a problem for premier league clubs. Sheffield United, for example, have a few players out of contract and Henderson on loan from us.
How are these issues resolved given contract law?
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Of course there is a whole host of issues that far more clever people than I are working on right now. Personally i think they’ll find a way to get it done, but we will see.
My main gripe isn’t whether people think it will/should be completed, I’ve resigned myself to the fact that there’s a high chance we don’t get awarded the league despite being 2 wins away from it. It’s when people use the excuse of “it’ll disrupt next season though!”.
Next season is already disrupted. And it’s only 1 month to finish the current campaign, so if it’s only to do with time then just finish the season. But if it comes down to the sheer complexity of contract law then i can understand why it may need to be finished up.
Still sucks though
posted on 31/3/20
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
Diafol, I wouldn’t object to that.
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It's the only fair way I think. If it means United giving up the chance of two trophies (FA Cup and Europa League) for the greater good of the health of the UK then so be it. Bigger things than football to worry about at present.
posted on 31/3/20
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robb, the fourth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 2 minutes ago
It’s a bit unfair to the teams who would normally benefit from home advantage.
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Brings the integrity of the league into question as it’s not a level playing field
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I agree, but I think that the PL will be prepared to sacrifice that if they can get the season finished.
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90% of teams in the 5 top divisions will have a better home than away record and the reason for that is its an advantage to play on your own ground.
If a team are relegated by a point after having had to play a rival at a neutral ground (possibly without a crowd) when that rival had the reverse fixture at home they will be very upset.
Its a potential mine field and I can see relegation threatened clubs refusing to accept it.
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Yup, would be nonsensical. All teams if the league is to be finished properly, have to play each other both home and away, or else it gets abandoned.
Cobbling together a quick fix to finish it is completely riciculous. If the season cannot finish in a proper way, then it has to be binned.
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I'm surprised that so many folk think this is a goer. Alot of teams have 9 games left and 50% of them will have more home than away games. Why would they give away that advantage when Prem relegation will cost any club a kings ransom?
These clubs will fight tooth and nail to prevent neutral grounds being a solution.
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Playing behind closed doors is the only feasible way of completing the season. So home and away advantage has already gone as far as I am concerned. And the clubs will be happy for the season to be completed so that they can get their TV money and pay their bills/wages.
posted on 31/3/20
Tiddles
I think with regard to the disruption of next season there are differing arguments for why people have said it. There are financial disruptions as well as the scheduling.
And given we don’t know when either season can be resumed, and in what capacity, it’s hard to judge just what the impact will be.
posted on 31/3/20
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robb, the fourth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 2 minutes ago
It’s a bit unfair to the teams who would normally benefit from home advantage.
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Brings the integrity of the league into question as it’s not a level playing field
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I agree, but I think that the PL will be prepared to sacrifice that if they can get the season finished.
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90% of teams in the 5 top divisions will have a better home than away record and the reason for that is its an advantage to play on your own ground.
If a team are relegated by a point after having had to play a rival at a neutral ground (possibly without a crowd) when that rival had the reverse fixture at home they will be very upset.
Its a potential mine field and I can see relegation threatened clubs refusing to accept it.
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Yup, would be nonsensical. All teams if the league is to be finished properly, have to play each other both home and away, or else it gets abandoned.
Cobbling together a quick fix to finish it is completely riciculous. If the season cannot finish in a proper way, then it has to be binned.
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I'm surprised that so many folk think this is a goer. Alot of teams have 9 games left and 50% of them will have more home than away games. Why would they give away that advantage when Prem relegation will cost any club a kings ransom?
These clubs will fight tooth and nail to prevent neutral grounds being a solution.
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Playing behind closed doors is the only feasible way of completing the season. So home and away advantage has already gone as far as I am concerned. And the clubs will be happy for the season to be completed so that they can get their TV money and pay their bills/wages.
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If it cannot be completed properly, then it would have to be abandoned.
posted on 31/3/20
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robb, the fourth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 2 minutes ago
It’s a bit unfair to the teams who would normally benefit from home advantage.
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Brings the integrity of the league into question as it’s not a level playing field
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I agree, but I think that the PL will be prepared to sacrifice that if they can get the season finished.
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90% of teams in the 5 top divisions will have a better home than away record and the reason for that is its an advantage to play on your own ground.
If a team are relegated by a point after having had to play a rival at a neutral ground (possibly without a crowd) when that rival had the reverse fixture at home they will be very upset.
Its a potential mine field and I can see relegation threatened clubs refusing to accept it.
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Yup, would be nonsensical. All teams if the league is to be finished properly, have to play each other both home and away, or else it gets abandoned.
Cobbling together a quick fix to finish it is completely riciculous. If the season cannot finish in a proper way, then it has to be binned.
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I'm surprised that so many folk think this is a goer. Alot of teams have 9 games left and 50% of them will have more home than away games. Why would they give away that advantage when Prem relegation will cost any club a kings ransom?
These clubs will fight tooth and nail to prevent neutral grounds being a solution.
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By the same token, clubs denied titles and promotion will bring down the leagues if they have to. Its reported these clubs are ready to sue as we speak and next season would not start before these cases are done and dusted. These cases can be filed but will not be heard in the middle of a pandemic so canceling this season=guaranteeing next season is in trouble immediately.
The lesser evil is to complete the season. At least teams will have a chance to fight for what they get, rather than being told it was all for nothing and back to last season's results.
Furthermore, how will clubs survive if the season isn't completed? Wage cuts are being enforced now, TV companies losing lots of money, the necessary payments won't be made etc. We'd rather some clubs have some contract situations with one or two players than cancel the season.
You ignore the consequences of canceling a season, which are greater than your concerns.
posted on 31/3/20
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robb, the fourth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 2 minutes ago
It’s a bit unfair to the teams who would normally benefit from home advantage.
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Brings the integrity of the league into question as it’s not a level playing field
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I agree, but I think that the PL will be prepared to sacrifice that if they can get the season finished.
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90% of teams in the 5 top divisions will have a better home than away record and the reason for that is its an advantage to play on your own ground.
If a team are relegated by a point after having had to play a rival at a neutral ground (possibly without a crowd) when that rival had the reverse fixture at home they will be very upset.
Its a potential mine field and I can see relegation threatened clubs refusing to accept it.
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Yup, would be nonsensical. All teams if the league is to be finished properly, have to play each other both home and away, or else it gets abandoned.
Cobbling together a quick fix to finish it is completely riciculous. If the season cannot finish in a proper way, then it has to be binned.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm surprised that so many folk think this is a goer. Alot of teams have 9 games left and 50% of them will have more home than away games. Why would they give away that advantage when Prem relegation will cost any club a kings ransom?
These clubs will fight tooth and nail to prevent neutral grounds being a solution.
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Playing behind closed doors is the only feasible way of completing the season. So home and away advantage has already gone as far as I am concerned. And the clubs will be happy for the season to be completed so that they can get their TV money and pay their bills/wages.
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If it cannot be completed properly, then it would have to be abandoned.
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The consequences of which will alter football as we know it. Unless there's a bail out for clubs how will they survive? Many clubs will be in the red by summer.
posted on 31/3/20
Apparently Hearts have reduced player wages and threatened to get rid of those who protest. Just read on another thread that SPL clubs can terminate staff contracts if the season isn't finished.
The SPL isn't as rich as the Prem but the effects of this will be reaching English football soon as well.
posted on 31/3/20
If it gets to the stage where it’s having such a significant impact on football as we know it then finishing the season will be the least of the worries for the clubs and leagues. Particularly in Scotland.
posted on 31/3/20
Yeah, if the seasons aren't finished then someone will be losing a billion or two in all the major leagues. Football in general could lose much more than that and what happens to the players who might have no wage or club to play for.
I imagine lower clubs in Spain and Italy will be really concerned. Football is in a bit of danger here.
Will the TV companies which are losing subscribers write off the losses or will it be absorbed by the clubs? Someone has to take the hit, no?
posted on 31/3/20
Germany are doing anti body tests and certificates. It's what everyone should be doing..if you've had it (and survived) then you can re-enter the populus. Just have people show their certificates before entering the stadiums.
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