comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 12 minutes ago
Even if it’s judged on their whole career Robson doesn’t come in the top five.
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I'm sure Mourinho and Guardiola would disagree.
His work helped to shape the modern game.
comment by Scouze Doggie Dog (U22357)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 3 minutes ago
Klopp on there? May as well put Poch on there too then.
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To be honest Klopp is on another level to Poch.
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Would he have done much better in Poch's shoes at Spurs? Doubt it.
Anyway, far too soon for Klopp to get an inclusion for greatest PL manager.
I doubt they’d agree he’s above them as managers because of that work, though. Especially Mourinho.
It’s like comparing Wenger and Fergie. Wenger was probably more influential in shaping the modern game yet we know that Fergie’s a far better manager, all things considered.
Ok, so I realise it's their managerial careers as a whole, not just the PL.
It’s not, Spurtle. That’s just what Bale’s has done, the article hasn’t used that methodology.
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
Ok, so I realise it's their managerial careers as a whole, not just the PL.
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Just PL
If its just the Prem then it's closer between Poch and Klopp. But still, Klopp should come out on top unless you're a Spurs fan or something.
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 5 minutes ago
I doubt they’d agree he’s above them as managers because of that work, though. Especially Mourinho.
It’s like comparing Wenger and Fergie. Wenger was probably more influential in shaping the modern game yet we know that Fergie’s a far better manager, all things considered.
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Fergie is weird considering he is probably one of the greatest all time managers, yet barely shaped the game and has had no legacy protege
Klopp at Liverpool is more or less Poch but with decent owners behind him.
If it's just PL Klopp doesn't even deserve to be in the discussion. They should just make it a top 5, which is a fairly obvious top 5, with an obvious top 1.
and has had no legacy protege
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Bruce, Ole and Hughes say hi.
How is it an obvious top 5? Four are obvious, the 5th is very much up for discussion. Klopp clearly belongs in that discussion given what he’s done since he’s been there.
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 5 seconds ago
and has had no legacy protege
———
Bruce, Ole and Hughes say hi.
How is it an obvious top 5? Four are obvious, the 5th is very much up for discussion. Klopp clearly belongs in that discussion given what he’s done since he’s been there.
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comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 4 minutes ago
and has had no legacy protege
———
Bruce, Ole and Hughes say hi.
How is it an obvious top 5? Four are obvious, the 5th is very much up for discussion. Klopp clearly belongs in that discussion given what he’s done since he’s been there.
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Yeah sorry I meant top 4, accidentally added an extra place.
Obvious top 4 is:
Fergie
Wenger
Mourinho
Pep
I thought it was joke. I was talking more Bobby with Jose, or Lippi with Conte, or Sacchi with Carlo, or Cruyff with Pep. Not a couple of over promoted dads on the touchline
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 2 minutes ago
Klopp at Liverpool is more or less Poch but with decent owners behind him.
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This could be true but the proof is in the pudding. Even Pep has hundreds of millions more support than Klopp.
If it's just PL Klopp doesn't even deserve to be in the discussion. They should just make it a top 5, which is a fairly obvious top 5, with an obvious top 1.
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Agreed. IMO Klopp shouldn't be in the discussion of greatest Prem managers just yet, and neither should Poch obviously.
Yeah I was. Thought you may have been laughing at the serious comment.
Spurtle
Allardyce should be in the top 10 for what he did at Bolton.
Basically the debate should boil down to who the best PL manager is between Wenger, Mourinho and Pep.
It’s all weirdly subjective anyway. What Eddie Howe has done, for example, is a miracle that few other managers in the list could do. Pulis kept teams up that all these greats would struggle to do.
Howe has been underwhelming as a PL manager. Would struggle to make a top 20.
Howe has done very well at the equivalent of a division 2 side. Make no bones about it, Bournemouth are dwarfed by non old firm Scottish clubs they just won the pl lottery and had a manager who kept them up, so Howe has done a supreme job.,
He’s not good enough to step up a level in the PL. But how he made them a solid PL side from league 2 is ridiculously impressive
Rodgers, Redknapp, Allardyce, Pulis, Martinez, Koeman, Klopp, Poch, Hodgson would all be above Howe out of managers that haven't won a title, just to name some.
Howe’s approaching his sell by date at Bournemouth, especially since they’ve spent some big money by their standards. They haven’t really improved much since coming to the PL, barely challenged the top 6 either.
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posted on 8/4/20
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 12 minutes ago
Even if it’s judged on their whole career Robson doesn’t come in the top five.
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I'm sure Mourinho and Guardiola would disagree.
His work helped to shape the modern game.
posted on 8/4/20
comment by Scouze Doggie Dog (U22357)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 3 minutes ago
Klopp on there? May as well put Poch on there too then.
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To be honest Klopp is on another level to Poch.
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Would he have done much better in Poch's shoes at Spurs? Doubt it.
Anyway, far too soon for Klopp to get an inclusion for greatest PL manager.
posted on 8/4/20
I doubt they’d agree he’s above them as managers because of that work, though. Especially Mourinho.
It’s like comparing Wenger and Fergie. Wenger was probably more influential in shaping the modern game yet we know that Fergie’s a far better manager, all things considered.
posted on 8/4/20
Ok, so I realise it's their managerial careers as a whole, not just the PL.
posted on 8/4/20
It’s not, Spurtle. That’s just what Bale’s has done, the article hasn’t used that methodology.
posted on 8/4/20
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
Ok, so I realise it's their managerial careers as a whole, not just the PL.
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Just PL
posted on 8/4/20
If its just the Prem then it's closer between Poch and Klopp. But still, Klopp should come out on top unless you're a Spurs fan or something.
posted on 8/4/20
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 5 minutes ago
I doubt they’d agree he’s above them as managers because of that work, though. Especially Mourinho.
It’s like comparing Wenger and Fergie. Wenger was probably more influential in shaping the modern game yet we know that Fergie’s a far better manager, all things considered.
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Fergie is weird considering he is probably one of the greatest all time managers, yet barely shaped the game and has had no legacy protege
posted on 8/4/20
Klopp at Liverpool is more or less Poch but with decent owners behind him.
If it's just PL Klopp doesn't even deserve to be in the discussion. They should just make it a top 5, which is a fairly obvious top 5, with an obvious top 1.
posted on 8/4/20
and has had no legacy protege
———
Bruce, Ole and Hughes say hi.
How is it an obvious top 5? Four are obvious, the 5th is very much up for discussion. Klopp clearly belongs in that discussion given what he’s done since he’s been there.
posted on 8/4/20
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 5 seconds ago
and has had no legacy protege
———
Bruce, Ole and Hughes say hi.
How is it an obvious top 5? Four are obvious, the 5th is very much up for discussion. Klopp clearly belongs in that discussion given what he’s done since he’s been there.
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posted on 8/4/20
What’s funny?
posted on 8/4/20
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 4 minutes ago
and has had no legacy protege
———
Bruce, Ole and Hughes say hi.
How is it an obvious top 5? Four are obvious, the 5th is very much up for discussion. Klopp clearly belongs in that discussion given what he’s done since he’s been there.
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Yeah sorry I meant top 4, accidentally added an extra place.
Obvious top 4 is:
Fergie
Wenger
Mourinho
Pep
posted on 8/4/20
I thought it was joke. I was talking more Bobby with Jose, or Lippi with Conte, or Sacchi with Carlo, or Cruyff with Pep. Not a couple of over promoted dads on the touchline
posted on 8/4/20
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 2 minutes ago
Klopp at Liverpool is more or less Poch but with decent owners behind him.
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This could be true but the proof is in the pudding. Even Pep has hundreds of millions more support than Klopp.
If it's just PL Klopp doesn't even deserve to be in the discussion. They should just make it a top 5, which is a fairly obvious top 5, with an obvious top 1.
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Agreed. IMO Klopp shouldn't be in the discussion of greatest Prem managers just yet, and neither should Poch obviously.
posted on 8/4/20
Yeah I was. Thought you may have been laughing at the serious comment.
Spurtle
posted on 8/4/20
Allardyce should be in the top 10 for what he did at Bolton.
posted on 8/4/20
Basically the debate should boil down to who the best PL manager is between Wenger, Mourinho and Pep.
posted on 8/4/20
It’s all weirdly subjective anyway. What Eddie Howe has done, for example, is a miracle that few other managers in the list could do. Pulis kept teams up that all these greats would struggle to do.
posted on 8/4/20
Howe has been underwhelming as a PL manager. Would struggle to make a top 20.
posted on 8/4/20
Howe’s overrated.
posted on 8/4/20
Howe has done very well at the equivalent of a division 2 side. Make no bones about it, Bournemouth are dwarfed by non old firm Scottish clubs they just won the pl lottery and had a manager who kept them up, so Howe has done a supreme job.,
posted on 8/4/20
He’s not good enough to step up a level in the PL. But how he made them a solid PL side from league 2 is ridiculously impressive
posted on 8/4/20
Rodgers, Redknapp, Allardyce, Pulis, Martinez, Koeman, Klopp, Poch, Hodgson would all be above Howe out of managers that haven't won a title, just to name some.
posted on 8/4/20
Howe’s approaching his sell by date at Bournemouth, especially since they’ve spent some big money by their standards. They haven’t really improved much since coming to the PL, barely challenged the top 6 either.
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