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comment by vidicthelegend VIVA LA REVOLUTION (U8735)
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Oh and for the record I think the government has got an awful lot wrong, but moaning for moanings sake doesn’t help.
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This is the understatement of all understatements. As every day passes we are beginning to see more and more the absolute mess that the UK government have made of this. It should be a national disgrace, but there will be those who ignore it and make excuses for it simply due to their political persuasion.
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Were you writing this at the time? Hindsight is a great thing. I do think it could have been done quicker, but they were taking advice not making it up.
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Yes I was actually. Living in the north of Ireland I have been in a position to compare and contrast the responses of the two local jurisdictions (Ireland and UK). And while the Irish response hasn’t been perfect, it is proving to to exponentially better than the UK response. While Boris was talking about herd immunity and bragging about shaking hands with people who were infected, other countries were closing schools, while the Irish officially didn’t go into lockdown till after the UK, we were de facto in lockdown almost two weeks before that (I work for a southern company and have been working from home for almost 5 weeks).
You say they were taking advice, but every other country was getting the same advise and very few, if any, interpreted it the same way as the UK. It has been a shambles from the start and to say anything less is blind stupidity tbh.
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As usual Ireland
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I wouldn’t go that far Irishred, they’ve made mistakes too. And I think it’s sickening that they are attempting to force through a government that isn’t wanted while this is going on, but that’s a whole other argument.
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Agree on the mistakes for example a 100 folk got told they tested negative only to be then told no you are actually positive
Regarding the government that isn’t wanted. Interesting point what government do you think is wanted?
I’m under no illusion as this grand coalition is to keep SF out
Incidentally I don’t vote for any major party I vote for independents.
I genuinely think we would have been back at the polls only the virus arrived
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I am not sure what government was wanted but the elections showed that one that most definitely wasn’t wanted was the exact same one that was there before, yet that is what is happening. Your right, it would have been back to the polls but for this and that’s why I think it stinks, Leo is using the good will generated by his handling of this to hang on to a position he does not deserve (was it the 6th count or something before he was even voted into his own seat?).
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SF may have missed their chance as I think a lot of folk will remember how this was handled at the next election thus buying FG more votes
Not right but will happen
Also everyone on here calls me Irish
----------------------------------------------------------------------Yeah missed there chance, the won the public vote just didn’t field enough candidates. As you say the public will remember how this was handled next time.
Apologies
comment by DoireDevilBhoy (U10745)
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comment by manusince52 (U9692)
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comment by vidicthelegend VIVA LA REVOLUTION (U8735)
posted 22 minutes ago
Oh and for the record I think the government has got an awful lot wrong, but moaning for moanings sake doesn’t help.
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This is the understatement of all understatements. As every day passes we are beginning to see more and more the absolute mess that the UK government have made of this. It should be a national disgrace, but there will be those who ignore it and make excuses for it simply due to their political persuasion.
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Were you writing this at the time? Hindsight is a great thing. I do think it could have been done quicker, but they were taking advice not making it up.
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Yes I was actually. Living in the north of Ireland I have been in a position to compare and contrast the responses of the two local jurisdictions (Ireland and UK). And while the Irish response hasn’t been perfect, it is proving to to exponentially better than the UK response. While Boris was talking about herd immunity and bragging about shaking hands with people who were infected, other countries were closing schools, while the Irish officially didn’t go into lockdown till after the UK, we were de facto in lockdown almost two weeks before that (I work for a southern company and have been working from home for almost 5 weeks).
You say they were taking advice, but every other country was getting the same advise and very few, if any, interpreted it the same way as the UK. It has been a shambles from the start and to say anything less is blind stupidity tbh.
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As I'm a lefties I find it easy to criticise Boris & Co. The handshakes were bravado that nearly killed him. Still it is a fact that the chief medical officer and the leading virologist? were publically
giving advice. Also there were other countries following the same line or more Eg Sweden.
Unless you work in the field and have expert knowledge you are just following your media of choice, like everyone else.
comment by DoireDevilBhoy (U10745)
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comment by manusince52 (U9692)
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comment by vidicthelegend VIVA LA REVOLUTION (U8735)
posted 22 minutes ago
Oh and for the record I think the government has got an awful lot wrong, but moaning for moanings sake doesn’t help.
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This is the understatement of all understatements. As every day passes we are beginning to see more and more the absolute mess that the UK government have made of this. It should be a national disgrace, but there will be those who ignore it and make excuses for it simply due to their political persuasion.
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Were you writing this at the time? Hindsight is a great thing. I do think it could have been done quicker, but they were taking advice not making it up.
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Yes I was actually. Living in the north of Ireland I have been in a position to compare and contrast the responses of the two local jurisdictions (Ireland and UK). And while the Irish response hasn’t been perfect, it is proving to to exponentially better than the UK response. While Boris was talking about herd immunity and bragging about shaking hands with people who were infected, other countries were closing schools, while the Irish officially didn’t go into lockdown till after the UK, we were de facto in lockdown almost two weeks before that (I work for a southern company and have been working from home for almost 5 weeks).
You say they were taking advice, but every other country was getting the same advise and very few, if any, interpreted it the same way as the UK. It has been a shambles from the start and to say anything less is blind stupidity tbh.
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The arguments being put forward here in favour of the government cannot be serious.
"Taking advice"? "Moaning for moanings sake" when thousands are dying? Come on let's maintain a level of reasonable thought here.
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comment by vidicthelegend VIVA LA REVOLUTION (U8735)
posted 22 minutes ago
Oh and for the record I think the government has got an awful lot wrong, but moaning for moanings sake doesn’t help.
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This is the understatement of all understatements. As every day passes we are beginning to see more and more the absolute mess that the UK government have made of this. It should be a national disgrace, but there will be those who ignore it and make excuses for it simply due to their political persuasion.
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Were you writing this at the time? Hindsight is a great thing. I do think it could have been done quicker, but they were taking advice not making it up.
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Yes I was actually. Living in the north of Ireland I have been in a position to compare and contrast the responses of the two local jurisdictions (Ireland and UK). And while the Irish response hasn’t been perfect, it is proving to to exponentially better than the UK response. While Boris was talking about herd immunity and bragging about shaking hands with people who were infected, other countries were closing schools, while the Irish officially didn’t go into lockdown till after the UK, we were de facto in lockdown almost two weeks before that (I work for a southern company and have been working from home for almost 5 weeks).
You say they were taking advice, but every other country was getting the same advise and very few, if any, interpreted it the same way as the UK. It has been a shambles from the start and to say anything less is blind stupidity tbh.
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As I'm a lefties I find it easy to criticise Boris & Co. The handshakes were bravado that nearly killed him. Still it is a fact that the chief medical officer and the leading virologist? were publically
giving advice. Also there were other countries following the same line or more Eg Sweden.
Unless you work in the field and have expert knowledge you are just following your media of choice, like everyone else.
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His comparison of countries is "following his media of choice?" That doesn't even make sense IMO. He made a factual analysis to which I don't see a real response. Why defend the indefensible?
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comment by vidicthelegend VIVA LA REVOLUTION (U8735)
posted 22 minutes ago
Oh and for the record I think the government has got an awful lot wrong, but moaning for moanings sake doesn’t help.
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This is the understatement of all understatements. As every day passes we are beginning to see more and more the absolute mess that the UK government have made of this. It should be a national disgrace, but there will be those who ignore it and make excuses for it simply due to their political persuasion.
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Were you writing this at the time? Hindsight is a great thing. I do think it could have been done quicker, but they were taking advice not making it up.
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Yes I was actually. Living in the north of Ireland I have been in a position to compare and contrast the responses of the two local jurisdictions (Ireland and UK). And while the Irish response hasn’t been perfect, it is proving to to exponentially better than the UK response. While Boris was talking about herd immunity and bragging about shaking hands with people who were infected, other countries were closing schools, while the Irish officially didn’t go into lockdown till after the UK, we were de facto in lockdown almost two weeks before that (I work for a southern company and have been working from home for almost 5 weeks).
You say they were taking advice, but every other country was getting the same advise and very few, if any, interpreted it the same way as the UK. It has been a shambles from the start and to say anything less is blind stupidity tbh.
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As I'm a lefties I find it easy to criticise Boris & Co. The handshakes were bravado that nearly killed him. Still it is a fact that the chief medical officer and the leading virologist? were publically
giving advice. Also there were other countries following the same line or more Eg Sweden.
Unless you work in the field and have expert knowledge you are just following your media of choice, like everyone else.
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His comparison of countries is "following his media of choice?" That doesn't even make sense IMO. He made a factual analysis to which I don't see a real response. Why defend the indefensible?
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I don't understand your first line, but not to worry. The point I am making is.
Unless you have specialist knowledge, your opinion is is formed by what you read and hear, the media.
Boris & CO had to act before the media reported. So they followed the 'best advice'. Which turned out to be poor. Making the decisions is so much more difficult than criticising them.
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posted 45 minutes ago
comment by vidicthelegend VIVA LA REVOLUTION (U8735)
posted 22 minutes ago
Oh and for the record I think the government has got an awful lot wrong, but moaning for moanings sake doesn’t help.
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This is the understatement of all understatements. As every day passes we are beginning to see more and more the absolute mess that the UK government have made of this. It should be a national disgrace, but there will be those who ignore it and make excuses for it simply due to their political persuasion.
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Were you writing this at the time? Hindsight is a great thing. I do think it could have been done quicker, but they were taking advice not making it up.
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Yes I was actually. Living in the north of Ireland I have been in a position to compare and contrast the responses of the two local jurisdictions (Ireland and UK). And while the Irish response hasn’t been perfect, it is proving to to exponentially better than the UK response. While Boris was talking about herd immunity and bragging about shaking hands with people who were infected, other countries were closing schools, while the Irish officially didn’t go into lockdown till after the UK, we were de facto in lockdown almost two weeks before that (I work for a southern company and have been working from home for almost 5 weeks).
You say they were taking advice, but every other country was getting the same advise and very few, if any, interpreted it the same way as the UK. It has been a shambles from the start and to say anything less is blind stupidity tbh.
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As I'm a lefties I find it easy to criticise Boris & Co. The handshakes were bravado that nearly killed him. Still it is a fact that the chief medical officer and the leading virologist? were publically
giving advice. Also there were other countries following the same line or more Eg Sweden.
Unless you work in the field and have expert knowledge you are just following your media of choice, like everyone else.
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His comparison of countries is "following his media of choice?" That doesn't even make sense IMO. He made a factual analysis to which I don't see a real response. Why defend the indefensible?
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I don't understand your first line, but not to worry. The point I am making is.
Unless you have specialist knowledge, your opinion is is formed by what you read and hear, the media.
Boris & CO had to act before the media reported. So they followed the 'best advice'. Which turned out to be poor. Making the decisions is so much more difficult than criticising them.
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No it’s not based on media of choice, it’s based on simple, and very sad, facts. The UK has had 178 deaths per million, Ireland have 74 (bare in mind the UK figure does not include care home figures, Ireland’s does and it makes up approx 40% of that total). They are apparently at a very similar stage in the virus curve. There are only 7 counties in the world with a higher rate than the UK, and 3 of those are minuscule countries in San Marino, Andorra and St Maarten. But your right, my opinion is just based on the media I choose to read 🤯
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comment by vidicthelegend VIVA LA REVOLUTION (U8735)
posted 22 minutes ago
Oh and for the record I think the government has got an awful lot wrong, but moaning for moanings sake doesn’t help.
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This is the understatement of all understatements. As every day passes we are beginning to see more and more the absolute mess that the UK government have made of this. It should be a national disgrace, but there will be those who ignore it and make excuses for it simply due to their political persuasion.
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Were you writing this at the time? Hindsight is a great thing. I do think it could have been done quicker, but they were taking advice not making it up.
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Yes I was actually. Living in the north of Ireland I have been in a position to compare and contrast the responses of the two local jurisdictions (Ireland and UK). And while the Irish response hasn’t been perfect, it is proving to to exponentially better than the UK response. While Boris was talking about herd immunity and bragging about shaking hands with people who were infected, other countries were closing schools, while the Irish officially didn’t go into lockdown till after the UK, we were de facto in lockdown almost two weeks before that (I work for a southern company and have been working from home for almost 5 weeks).
You say they were taking advice, but every other country was getting the same advise and very few, if any, interpreted it the same way as the UK. It has been a shambles from the start and to say anything less is blind stupidity tbh.
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As I'm a lefties I find it easy to criticise Boris & Co. The handshakes were bravado that nearly killed him. Still it is a fact that the chief medical officer and the leading virologist? were publically
giving advice. Also there were other countries following the same line or more Eg Sweden.
Unless you work in the field and have expert knowledge you are just following your media of choice, like everyone else.
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His comparison of countries is "following his media of choice?" That doesn't even make sense IMO. He made a factual analysis to which I don't see a real response. Why defend the indefensible?
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I don't understand your first line, but not to worry. The point I am making is.
Unless you have specialist knowledge, your opinion is is formed by what you read and hear, the media.
Boris & CO had to act before the media reported. So they followed the 'best advice'. Which turned out to be poor. Making the decisions is so much more difficult than criticising them.
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He has just pointed out why that's a poor argument. Perhaps you can look at what he said about other countries also taking similar advice? They even had more time to act than a lot of other countries. Some obscure countries have magically developed the ability to do tens of thousands of tests per day while in England they have to wait to the end of the month or whenever etc.
Where are they getting this advice? You can't shift the blame from an elected PM by saying he received bad advice, can't you see you are soft on him? Its his job to receive good advice. And he should have changed his advisors by now anyway. Poor all round.
Boris is a buffoon, clever but a buffoon. Most of what comes out of his mouth is rubbish or lies.
In this particular case it was rubbish, just not his rubbish.
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comment by vidicthelegend VIVA LA REVOLUTION (U8735)
posted 22 minutes ago
Oh and for the record I think the government has got an awful lot wrong, but moaning for moanings sake doesn’t help.
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This is the understatement of all understatements. As every day passes we are beginning to see more and more the absolute mess that the UK government have made of this. It should be a national disgrace, but there will be those who ignore it and make excuses for it simply due to their political persuasion.
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Were you writing this at the time? Hindsight is a great thing. I do think it could have been done quicker, but they were taking advice not making it up.
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Yes I was actually. Living in the north of Ireland I have been in a position to compare and contrast the responses of the two local jurisdictions (Ireland and UK). And while the Irish response hasn’t been perfect, it is proving to to exponentially better than the UK response. While Boris was talking about herd immunity and bragging about shaking hands with people who were infected, other countries were closing schools, while the Irish officially didn’t go into lockdown till after the UK, we were de facto in lockdown almost two weeks before that (I work for a southern company and have been working from home for almost 5 weeks).
You say they were taking advice, but every other country was getting the same advise and very few, if any, interpreted it the same way as the UK. It has been a shambles from the start and to say anything less is blind stupidity tbh.
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Donegal?
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comment by vidicthelegend VIVA LA REVOLUTION (U8735)
posted 22 minutes ago
Oh and for the record I think the government has got an awful lot wrong, but moaning for moanings sake doesn’t help.
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This is the understatement of all understatements. As every day passes we are beginning to see more and more the absolute mess that the UK government have made of this. It should be a national disgrace, but there will be those who ignore it and make excuses for it simply due to their political persuasion.
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Were you writing this at the time? Hindsight is a great thing. I do think it could have been done quicker, but they were taking advice not making it up.
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Yes I was actually. Living in the north of Ireland I have been in a position to compare and contrast the responses of the two local jurisdictions (Ireland and UK). And while the Irish response hasn’t been perfect, it is proving to to exponentially better than the UK response. While Boris was talking about herd immunity and bragging about shaking hands with people who were infected, other countries were closing schools, while the Irish officially didn’t go into lockdown till after the UK, we were de facto in lockdown almost two weeks before that (I work for a southern company and have been working from home for almost 5 weeks).
You say they were taking advice, but every other country was getting the same advise and very few, if any, interpreted it the same way as the UK. It has been a shambles from the start and to say anything less is blind stupidity tbh.
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As I'm a lefties I find it easy to criticise Boris & Co. The handshakes were bravado that nearly killed him. Still it is a fact that the chief medical officer and the leading virologist? were publically
giving advice. Also there were other countries following the same line or more Eg Sweden.
Unless you work in the field and have expert knowledge you are just following your media of choice, like everyone else.
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His comparison of countries is "following his media of choice?" That doesn't even make sense IMO. He made a factual analysis to which I don't see a real response. Why defend the indefensible?
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I don't understand your first line, but not to worry. The point I am making is.
Unless you have specialist knowledge, your opinion is is formed by what you read and hear, the media.
Boris & CO had to act before the media reported. So they followed the 'best advice'. Which turned out to be poor. Making the decisions is so much more difficult than criticising them.
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No it’s not based on media of choice, it’s based on simple, and very sad, facts. The UK has had 178 deaths per million, Ireland have 74 (bare in mind the UK figure does not include care home figures, Ireland’s does and it makes up approx 40% of that total). They are apparently at a very similar stage in the virus curve. There are only 7 counties in the world with a higher rate than the UK, and 3 of those are minuscule countries in San Marino, Andorra and St Maarten. But your right, my opinion is just based on the media I choose to read 🤯
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Also they had seen what happened in other countries, especially Italy which locked down too late and were allowing Chinese tourists in, for fear of damaging the economy.
N Ireland has a population about the 5th the size of London in an area of land approximately 10 times the size.
What a surprise that social distancing is more effective and more readily achieved in these circumstances.
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comment by vidicthelegend VIVA LA REVOLUTION (U8735)
posted 22 minutes ago
Oh and for the record I think the government has got an awful lot wrong, but moaning for moanings sake doesn’t help.
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This is the understatement of all understatements. As every day passes we are beginning to see more and more the absolute mess that the UK government have made of this. It should be a national disgrace, but there will be those who ignore it and make excuses for it simply due to their political persuasion.
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Were you writing this at the time? Hindsight is a great thing. I do think it could have been done quicker, but they were taking advice not making it up.
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Yes I was actually. Living in the north of Ireland I have been in a position to compare and contrast the responses of the two local jurisdictions (Ireland and UK). And while the Irish response hasn’t been perfect, it is proving to to exponentially better than the UK response. While Boris was talking about herd immunity and bragging about shaking hands with people who were infected, other countries were closing schools, while the Irish officially didn’t go into lockdown till after the UK, we were de facto in lockdown almost two weeks before that (I work for a southern company and have been working from home for almost 5 weeks).
You say they were taking advice, but every other country was getting the same advise and very few, if any, interpreted it the same way as the UK. It has been a shambles from the start and to say anything less is blind stupidity tbh.
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As I'm a lefties I find it easy to criticise Boris & Co. The handshakes were bravado that nearly killed him. Still it is a fact that the chief medical officer and the leading virologist? were publically
giving advice. Also there were other countries following the same line or more Eg Sweden.
Unless you work in the field and have expert knowledge you are just following your media of choice, like everyone else.
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His comparison of countries is "following his media of choice?" That doesn't even make sense IMO. He made a factual analysis to which I don't see a real response. Why defend the indefensible?
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I don't understand your first line, but not to worry. The point I am making is.
Unless you have specialist knowledge, your opinion is is formed by what you read and hear, the media.
Boris & CO had to act before the media reported. So they followed the 'best advice'. Which turned out to be poor. Making the decisions is so much more difficult than criticising them.
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No it’s not based on media of choice, it’s based on simple, and very sad, facts. The UK has had 178 deaths per million, Ireland have 74 (bare in mind the UK figure does not include care home figures, Ireland’s does and it makes up approx 40% of that total). They are apparently at a very similar stage in the virus curve. There are only 7 counties in the world with a higher rate than the UK, and 3 of those are minuscule countries in San Marino, Andorra and St Maarten. But your right, my opinion is just based on the media I choose to read 🤯
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Also they had seen what happened in other countries, especially Italy which locked down too late and were allowing Chinese tourists in, for fear of damaging the economy.
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Exactly. In addition to the 3 I mentioned above Belgium, France, Spain and Italy are the others with with a higher rate of deaths per million. It’s widely acknowledged that Italy Spain and France were too slow to act, only two weeks ago the UK media were aghast at the numbers coming out of Italy, numbers which the Uk have now sadly passed. And again this is without care home figures. It is truly astounding that people are accepting this.
UK media were aghast at the numbers coming out of Italy, numbers which the Uk have now sadly passed. And again this is without care home figures.
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The same media that try and spin it that the government are doing a good job, or as good as can be expected.
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N Ireland has a population about the 5th the size of London in an area of land approximately 10 times the size.
What a surprise that social distancing is more effective and more readily achieved in these circumstances.
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Whose comparing London with NI?? I initially compared government responses to Ireland not NI, and I have also given the facts of the world wide picture. We see daily the media lambast trump and the US, yet the UK are way ahead in per capita figures. But bury your head in the sand and think Boris and co have done their best 👍
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comment by vidicthelegend VIVA LA REVOLUTION (U8735)
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Oh and for the record I think the government has got an awful lot wrong, but moaning for moanings sake doesn’t help.
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This is the understatement of all understatements. As every day passes we are beginning to see more and more the absolute mess that the UK government have made of this. It should be a national disgrace, but there will be those who ignore it and make excuses for it simply due to their political persuasion.
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Were you writing this at the time? Hindsight is a great thing. I do think it could have been done quicker, but they were taking advice not making it up.
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Yes I was actually. Living in the north of Ireland I have been in a position to compare and contrast the responses of the two local jurisdictions (Ireland and UK). And while the Irish response hasn’t been perfect, it is proving to to exponentially better than the UK response. While Boris was talking about herd immunity and bragging about shaking hands with people who were infected, other countries were closing schools, while the Irish officially didn’t go into lockdown till after the UK, we were de facto in lockdown almost two weeks before that (I work for a southern company and have been working from home for almost 5 weeks).
You say they were taking advice, but every other country was getting the same advise and very few, if any, interpreted it the same way as the UK. It has been a shambles from the start and to say anything less is blind stupidity tbh.
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As I'm a lefties I find it easy to criticise Boris & Co. The handshakes were bravado that nearly killed him. Still it is a fact that the chief medical officer and the leading virologist? were publically
giving advice. Also there were other countries following the same line or more Eg Sweden.
Unless you work in the field and have expert knowledge you are just following your media of choice, like everyone else.
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His comparison of countries is "following his media of choice?" That doesn't even make sense IMO. He made a factual analysis to which I don't see a real response. Why defend the indefensible?
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I don't understand your first line, but not to worry. The point I am making is.
Unless you have specialist knowledge, your opinion is is formed by what you read and hear, the media.
Boris & CO had to act before the media reported. So they followed the 'best advice'. Which turned out to be poor. Making the decisions is so much more difficult than criticising them.
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No it’s not based on media of choice, it’s based on simple, and very sad, facts. The UK has had 178 deaths per million, Ireland have 74 (bare in mind the UK figure does not include care home figures, Ireland’s does and it makes up approx 40% of that total). They are apparently at a very similar stage in the virus curve. There are only 7 counties in the world with a higher rate than the UK, and 3 of those are minuscule countries in San Marino, Andorra and St Maarten. But your right, my opinion is just based on the media I choose to read 🤯
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Also they had seen what happened in other countries, especially Italy which locked down too late and were allowing Chinese tourists in, for fear of damaging the economy.
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Exactly. In addition to the 3 I mentioned above Belgium, France, Spain and Italy are the others with with a higher rate of deaths per million. It’s widely acknowledged that Italy Spain and France were too slow to act, only two weeks ago the UK media were aghast at the numbers coming out of Italy, numbers which the Uk have now sadly passed. And again this is without care home figures. It is truly astounding that people are accepting this.
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True. The response in Ireland was one I hoped we would have taken but regardless we were behind the mainland in terms of cases and spread and therefore we locked down at an 'OK' time but still not perfect.
The mainland was too late, which went in line with the herd immunity approach they thought was acceptable at the time. As soon as they saw the crazy figures in Italy, that approach quickly changed, as it was already too late for containment.
Once this gets down to manageable levels, they need to bring in mass testing and isolating positive cases and when this is acceptable, the economy needs to get back on track.
why the UK government wasted the couple of weeks head start in preparation they had over mainland europe
they wasted britain's natural advantage as an island nation by allowing flights to come in unchecked from facking everywhere
and they continue to be weeks behind the knowledge curve on this virus (face masks being the latest)
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Oh and for the record I think the government has got an awful lot wrong, but moaning for moanings sake doesn’t help.
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This is the understatement of all understatements. As every day passes we are beginning to see more and more the absolute mess that the UK government have made of this. It should be a national disgrace, but there will be those who ignore it and make excuses for it simply due to their political persuasion.
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Were you writing this at the time? Hindsight is a great thing. I do think it could have been done quicker, but they were taking advice not making it up.
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Yes I was actually. Living in the north of Ireland I have been in a position to compare and contrast the responses of the two local jurisdictions (Ireland and UK). And while the Irish response hasn’t been perfect, it is proving to to exponentially better than the UK response. While Boris was talking about herd immunity and bragging about shaking hands with people who were infected, other countries were closing schools, while the Irish officially didn’t go into lockdown till after the UK, we were de facto in lockdown almost two weeks before that (I work for a southern company and have been working from home for almost 5 weeks).
You say they were taking advice, but every other country was getting the same advise and very few, if any, interpreted it the same way as the UK. It has been a shambles from the start and to say anything less is blind stupidity tbh.
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As I'm a lefties I find it easy to criticise Boris & Co. The handshakes were bravado that nearly killed him. Still it is a fact that the chief medical officer and the leading virologist? were publically
giving advice. Also there were other countries following the same line or more Eg Sweden.
Unless you work in the field and have expert knowledge you are just following your media of choice, like everyone else.
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His comparison of countries is "following his media of choice?" That doesn't even make sense IMO. He made a factual analysis to which I don't see a real response. Why defend the indefensible?
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I don't understand your first line, but not to worry. The point I am making is.
Unless you have specialist knowledge, your opinion is is formed by what you read and hear, the media.
Boris & CO had to act before the media reported. So they followed the 'best advice'. Which turned out to be poor. Making the decisions is so much more difficult than criticising them.
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No it’s not based on media of choice, it’s based on simple, and very sad, facts. The UK has had 178 deaths per million, Ireland have 74 (bare in mind the UK figure does not include care home figures, Ireland’s does and it makes up approx 40% of that total). They are apparently at a very similar stage in the virus curve. There are only 7 counties in the world with a higher rate than the UK, and 3 of those are minuscule countries in San Marino, Andorra and St Maarten. But your right, my opinion is just based on the media I choose to read 🤯
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Also they had seen what happened in other countries, especially Italy which locked down too late and were allowing Chinese tourists in, for fear of damaging the economy.
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Exactly. In addition to the 3 I mentioned above Belgium, France, Spain and Italy are the others with with a higher rate of deaths per million. It’s widely acknowledged that Italy Spain and France were too slow to act, only two weeks ago the UK media were aghast at the numbers coming out of Italy, numbers which the Uk have now sadly passed. And again this is without care home figures. It is truly astounding that people are accepting this.
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True. The response in Ireland was one I hoped we would have taken but regardless we were behind the mainland in terms of cases and spread and therefore we locked down at an 'OK' time but still not perfect.
The mainland was too late, which went in line with the herd immunity approach they thought was acceptable at the time. As soon as they saw the crazy figures in Italy, that approach quickly changed, as it was already too late for containment.
Once this gets down to manageable levels, they need to bring in mass testing and isolating positive cases and when this is acceptable, the economy needs to get back on track.
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Yeah I think we in NI were also very slow to react as well, and when you take our figures on their one they are actually very alarming.
Does that mean the other half are in Don't Care homes?
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Does that mean the other half are in Don't Care homes?
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https://bbc.in/2xj2KDy
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8210271/BBC-bosses-warning-interviewers-not-ministers-pressure-coronavirus-crisis.html
Has anyone read this?
'The BBC in general is simply not prepared to take the government to task and hold its feet to the fire.'
Our press aren't doing their jobs properly.
"We're sorry that people feel we don't care"
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Oh and for the record I think the government has got an awful lot wrong, but moaning for moanings sake doesn’t help.
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This is the understatement of all understatements. As every day passes we are beginning to see more and more the absolute mess that the UK government have made of this. It should be a national disgrace, but there will be those who ignore it and make excuses for it simply due to their political persuasion.
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Were you writing this at the time? Hindsight is a great thing. I do think it could have been done quicker, but they were taking advice not making it up.
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Yes I was actually. Living in the north of Ireland I have been in a position to compare and contrast the responses of the two local jurisdictions (Ireland and UK). And while the Irish response hasn’t been perfect, it is proving to to exponentially better than the UK response. While Boris was talking about herd immunity and bragging about shaking hands with people who were infected, other countries were closing schools, while the Irish officially didn’t go into lockdown till after the UK, we were de facto in lockdown almost two weeks before that (I work for a southern company and have been working from home for almost 5 weeks).
You say they were taking advice, but every other country was getting the same advise and very few, if any, interpreted it the same way as the UK. It has been a shambles from the start and to say anything less is blind stupidity tbh.
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As I'm a lefties I find it easy to criticise Boris & Co. The handshakes were bravado that nearly killed him. Still it is a fact that the chief medical officer and the leading virologist? were publically
giving advice. Also there were other countries following the same line or more Eg Sweden.
Unless you work in the field and have expert knowledge you are just following your media of choice, like everyone else.
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His comparison of countries is "following his media of choice?" That doesn't even make sense IMO. He made a factual analysis to which I don't see a real response. Why defend the indefensible?
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I don't understand your first line, but not to worry. The point I am making is.
Unless you have specialist knowledge, your opinion is is formed by what you read and hear, the media.
Boris & CO had to act before the media reported. So they followed the 'best advice'. Which turned out to be poor. Making the decisions is so much more difficult than criticising them.
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No it’s not based on media of choice, it’s based on simple, and very sad, facts. The UK has had 178 deaths per million, Ireland have 74 (bare in mind the UK figure does not include care home figures, Ireland’s does and it makes up approx 40% of that total). They are apparently at a very similar stage in the virus curve. There are only 7 counties in the world with a higher rate than the UK, and 3 of those are minuscule countries in San Marino, Andorra and St Maarten. But your right, my opinion is just based on the media I choose to read 🤯
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Also they had seen what happened in other countries, especially Italy which locked down too late and were allowing Chinese tourists in, for fear of damaging the economy.
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Exactly. In addition to the 3 I mentioned above Belgium, France, Spain and Italy are the others with with a higher rate of deaths per million. It’s widely acknowledged that Italy Spain and France were too slow to act, only two weeks ago the UK media were aghast at the numbers coming out of Italy, numbers which the Uk have now sadly passed. And again this is without care home figures. It is truly astounding that people are accepting this.
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True. The response in Ireland was one I hoped we would have taken but regardless we were behind the mainland in terms of cases and spread and therefore we locked down at an 'OK' time but still not perfect.
The mainland was too late, which went in line with the herd immunity approach they thought was acceptable at the time. As soon as they saw the crazy figures in Italy, that approach quickly changed, as it was already too late for containment.
Once this gets down to manageable levels, they need to bring in mass testing and isolating positive cases and when this is acceptable, the economy needs to get back on track.
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Yeah I think we in NI were also very slow to react as well, and when you take our figures on their one they are actually very alarming.
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Well yes but I think we had a better chance of 'getting away with it' due to the much smaller numbers. Of course the response was in line with the mainland response, although I do think the politicians here, for once, need to get some credit for working together and not fighting each other, just to be contrary and things actually getting done because of it.
I'm sure it will go back to normal when this is over.
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One of the reasons for half of the deaths being in care homes may be because too many people can't be bothered to take care of their own ageing family. It used to be considered dutiful and not just a nuisance.
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One of the reasons for half of the deaths being in care homes may be because too many people can't be bothered to take care of their own ageing family. It used to be considered dutiful and not just a nuisance.
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Oh and for the record I think the government has got an awful lot wrong, but moaning for moanings sake doesn’t help.
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This is the understatement of all understatements. As every day passes we are beginning to see more and more the absolute mess that the UK government have made of this. It should be a national disgrace, but there will be those who ignore it and make excuses for it simply due to their political persuasion.
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Were you writing this at the time? Hindsight is a great thing. I do think it could have been done quicker, but they were taking advice not making it up.
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Yes I was actually. Living in the north of Ireland I have been in a position to compare and contrast the responses of the two local jurisdictions (Ireland and UK). And while the Irish response hasn’t been perfect, it is proving to to exponentially better than the UK response. While Boris was talking about herd immunity and bragging about shaking hands with people who were infected, other countries were closing schools, while the Irish officially didn’t go into lockdown till after the UK, we were de facto in lockdown almost two weeks before that (I work for a southern company and have been working from home for almost 5 weeks).
You say they were taking advice, but every other country was getting the same advise and very few, if any, interpreted it the same way as the UK. It has been a shambles from the start and to say anything less is blind stupidity tbh.
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As usual Ireland
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I wouldn’t go that far Irishred, they’ve made mistakes too. And I think it’s sickening that they are attempting to force through a government that isn’t wanted while this is going on, but that’s a whole other argument.
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Agree on the mistakes for example a 100 folk got told they tested negative only to be then told no you are actually positive
Regarding the government that isn’t wanted. Interesting point what government do you think is wanted?
I’m under no illusion as this grand coalition is to keep SF out
Incidentally I don’t vote for any major party I vote for independents.
I genuinely think we would have been back at the polls only the virus arrived
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I am not sure what government was wanted but the elections showed that one that most definitely wasn’t wanted was the exact same one that was there before, yet that is what is happening. Your right, it would have been back to the polls but for this and that’s why I think it stinks, Leo is using the good will generated by his handling of this to hang on to a position he does not deserve (was it the 6th count or something before he was even voted into his own seat?).
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SF may have missed their chance as I think a lot of folk will remember how this was handled at the next election thus buying FG more votes
Not right but will happen
Also everyone on here calls me Irish
----------------------------------------------------------------------Yeah missed there chance, the won the public vote just didn’t field enough candidates. As you say the public will remember how this was handled next time.
Apologies
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comment by vidicthelegend VIVA LA REVOLUTION (U8735)
posted 22 minutes ago
Oh and for the record I think the government has got an awful lot wrong, but moaning for moanings sake doesn’t help.
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This is the understatement of all understatements. As every day passes we are beginning to see more and more the absolute mess that the UK government have made of this. It should be a national disgrace, but there will be those who ignore it and make excuses for it simply due to their political persuasion.
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Were you writing this at the time? Hindsight is a great thing. I do think it could have been done quicker, but they were taking advice not making it up.
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Yes I was actually. Living in the north of Ireland I have been in a position to compare and contrast the responses of the two local jurisdictions (Ireland and UK). And while the Irish response hasn’t been perfect, it is proving to to exponentially better than the UK response. While Boris was talking about herd immunity and bragging about shaking hands with people who were infected, other countries were closing schools, while the Irish officially didn’t go into lockdown till after the UK, we were de facto in lockdown almost two weeks before that (I work for a southern company and have been working from home for almost 5 weeks).
You say they were taking advice, but every other country was getting the same advise and very few, if any, interpreted it the same way as the UK. It has been a shambles from the start and to say anything less is blind stupidity tbh.
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As I'm a lefties I find it easy to criticise Boris & Co. The handshakes were bravado that nearly killed him. Still it is a fact that the chief medical officer and the leading virologist? were publically
giving advice. Also there were other countries following the same line or more Eg Sweden.
Unless you work in the field and have expert knowledge you are just following your media of choice, like everyone else.
posted on 14/4/20
comment by DoireDevilBhoy (U10745)
posted 51 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 43 seconds ago
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posted 45 minutes ago
comment by vidicthelegend VIVA LA REVOLUTION (U8735)
posted 22 minutes ago
Oh and for the record I think the government has got an awful lot wrong, but moaning for moanings sake doesn’t help.
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This is the understatement of all understatements. As every day passes we are beginning to see more and more the absolute mess that the UK government have made of this. It should be a national disgrace, but there will be those who ignore it and make excuses for it simply due to their political persuasion.
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Were you writing this at the time? Hindsight is a great thing. I do think it could have been done quicker, but they were taking advice not making it up.
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Yes I was actually. Living in the north of Ireland I have been in a position to compare and contrast the responses of the two local jurisdictions (Ireland and UK). And while the Irish response hasn’t been perfect, it is proving to to exponentially better than the UK response. While Boris was talking about herd immunity and bragging about shaking hands with people who were infected, other countries were closing schools, while the Irish officially didn’t go into lockdown till after the UK, we were de facto in lockdown almost two weeks before that (I work for a southern company and have been working from home for almost 5 weeks).
You say they were taking advice, but every other country was getting the same advise and very few, if any, interpreted it the same way as the UK. It has been a shambles from the start and to say anything less is blind stupidity tbh.
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The arguments being put forward here in favour of the government cannot be serious.
"Taking advice"? "Moaning for moanings sake" when thousands are dying? Come on let's maintain a level of reasonable thought here.
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comment by vidicthelegend VIVA LA REVOLUTION (U8735)
posted 22 minutes ago
Oh and for the record I think the government has got an awful lot wrong, but moaning for moanings sake doesn’t help.
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This is the understatement of all understatements. As every day passes we are beginning to see more and more the absolute mess that the UK government have made of this. It should be a national disgrace, but there will be those who ignore it and make excuses for it simply due to their political persuasion.
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Were you writing this at the time? Hindsight is a great thing. I do think it could have been done quicker, but they were taking advice not making it up.
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Yes I was actually. Living in the north of Ireland I have been in a position to compare and contrast the responses of the two local jurisdictions (Ireland and UK). And while the Irish response hasn’t been perfect, it is proving to to exponentially better than the UK response. While Boris was talking about herd immunity and bragging about shaking hands with people who were infected, other countries were closing schools, while the Irish officially didn’t go into lockdown till after the UK, we were de facto in lockdown almost two weeks before that (I work for a southern company and have been working from home for almost 5 weeks).
You say they were taking advice, but every other country was getting the same advise and very few, if any, interpreted it the same way as the UK. It has been a shambles from the start and to say anything less is blind stupidity tbh.
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As I'm a lefties I find it easy to criticise Boris & Co. The handshakes were bravado that nearly killed him. Still it is a fact that the chief medical officer and the leading virologist? were publically
giving advice. Also there were other countries following the same line or more Eg Sweden.
Unless you work in the field and have expert knowledge you are just following your media of choice, like everyone else.
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His comparison of countries is "following his media of choice?" That doesn't even make sense IMO. He made a factual analysis to which I don't see a real response. Why defend the indefensible?
posted on 14/4/20
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posted 11 minutes ago
comment by DoireDevilBhoy (U10745)
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posted 43 seconds ago
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posted 45 minutes ago
comment by vidicthelegend VIVA LA REVOLUTION (U8735)
posted 22 minutes ago
Oh and for the record I think the government has got an awful lot wrong, but moaning for moanings sake doesn’t help.
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This is the understatement of all understatements. As every day passes we are beginning to see more and more the absolute mess that the UK government have made of this. It should be a national disgrace, but there will be those who ignore it and make excuses for it simply due to their political persuasion.
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Were you writing this at the time? Hindsight is a great thing. I do think it could have been done quicker, but they were taking advice not making it up.
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Yes I was actually. Living in the north of Ireland I have been in a position to compare and contrast the responses of the two local jurisdictions (Ireland and UK). And while the Irish response hasn’t been perfect, it is proving to to exponentially better than the UK response. While Boris was talking about herd immunity and bragging about shaking hands with people who were infected, other countries were closing schools, while the Irish officially didn’t go into lockdown till after the UK, we were de facto in lockdown almost two weeks before that (I work for a southern company and have been working from home for almost 5 weeks).
You say they were taking advice, but every other country was getting the same advise and very few, if any, interpreted it the same way as the UK. It has been a shambles from the start and to say anything less is blind stupidity tbh.
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As I'm a lefties I find it easy to criticise Boris & Co. The handshakes were bravado that nearly killed him. Still it is a fact that the chief medical officer and the leading virologist? were publically
giving advice. Also there were other countries following the same line or more Eg Sweden.
Unless you work in the field and have expert knowledge you are just following your media of choice, like everyone else.
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His comparison of countries is "following his media of choice?" That doesn't even make sense IMO. He made a factual analysis to which I don't see a real response. Why defend the indefensible?
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I don't understand your first line, but not to worry. The point I am making is.
Unless you have specialist knowledge, your opinion is is formed by what you read and hear, the media.
Boris & CO had to act before the media reported. So they followed the 'best advice'. Which turned out to be poor. Making the decisions is so much more difficult than criticising them.
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comment by vidicthelegend VIVA LA REVOLUTION (U8735)
posted 22 minutes ago
Oh and for the record I think the government has got an awful lot wrong, but moaning for moanings sake doesn’t help.
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This is the understatement of all understatements. As every day passes we are beginning to see more and more the absolute mess that the UK government have made of this. It should be a national disgrace, but there will be those who ignore it and make excuses for it simply due to their political persuasion.
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Were you writing this at the time? Hindsight is a great thing. I do think it could have been done quicker, but they were taking advice not making it up.
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Yes I was actually. Living in the north of Ireland I have been in a position to compare and contrast the responses of the two local jurisdictions (Ireland and UK). And while the Irish response hasn’t been perfect, it is proving to to exponentially better than the UK response. While Boris was talking about herd immunity and bragging about shaking hands with people who were infected, other countries were closing schools, while the Irish officially didn’t go into lockdown till after the UK, we were de facto in lockdown almost two weeks before that (I work for a southern company and have been working from home for almost 5 weeks).
You say they were taking advice, but every other country was getting the same advise and very few, if any, interpreted it the same way as the UK. It has been a shambles from the start and to say anything less is blind stupidity tbh.
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As I'm a lefties I find it easy to criticise Boris & Co. The handshakes were bravado that nearly killed him. Still it is a fact that the chief medical officer and the leading virologist? were publically
giving advice. Also there were other countries following the same line or more Eg Sweden.
Unless you work in the field and have expert knowledge you are just following your media of choice, like everyone else.
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His comparison of countries is "following his media of choice?" That doesn't even make sense IMO. He made a factual analysis to which I don't see a real response. Why defend the indefensible?
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I don't understand your first line, but not to worry. The point I am making is.
Unless you have specialist knowledge, your opinion is is formed by what you read and hear, the media.
Boris & CO had to act before the media reported. So they followed the 'best advice'. Which turned out to be poor. Making the decisions is so much more difficult than criticising them.
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No it’s not based on media of choice, it’s based on simple, and very sad, facts. The UK has had 178 deaths per million, Ireland have 74 (bare in mind the UK figure does not include care home figures, Ireland’s does and it makes up approx 40% of that total). They are apparently at a very similar stage in the virus curve. There are only 7 counties in the world with a higher rate than the UK, and 3 of those are minuscule countries in San Marino, Andorra and St Maarten. But your right, my opinion is just based on the media I choose to read 🤯
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posted 13 minutes ago
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comment by vidicthelegend VIVA LA REVOLUTION (U8735)
posted 22 minutes ago
Oh and for the record I think the government has got an awful lot wrong, but moaning for moanings sake doesn’t help.
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This is the understatement of all understatements. As every day passes we are beginning to see more and more the absolute mess that the UK government have made of this. It should be a national disgrace, but there will be those who ignore it and make excuses for it simply due to their political persuasion.
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Were you writing this at the time? Hindsight is a great thing. I do think it could have been done quicker, but they were taking advice not making it up.
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Yes I was actually. Living in the north of Ireland I have been in a position to compare and contrast the responses of the two local jurisdictions (Ireland and UK). And while the Irish response hasn’t been perfect, it is proving to to exponentially better than the UK response. While Boris was talking about herd immunity and bragging about shaking hands with people who were infected, other countries were closing schools, while the Irish officially didn’t go into lockdown till after the UK, we were de facto in lockdown almost two weeks before that (I work for a southern company and have been working from home for almost 5 weeks).
You say they were taking advice, but every other country was getting the same advise and very few, if any, interpreted it the same way as the UK. It has been a shambles from the start and to say anything less is blind stupidity tbh.
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As I'm a lefties I find it easy to criticise Boris & Co. The handshakes were bravado that nearly killed him. Still it is a fact that the chief medical officer and the leading virologist? were publically
giving advice. Also there were other countries following the same line or more Eg Sweden.
Unless you work in the field and have expert knowledge you are just following your media of choice, like everyone else.
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His comparison of countries is "following his media of choice?" That doesn't even make sense IMO. He made a factual analysis to which I don't see a real response. Why defend the indefensible?
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I don't understand your first line, but not to worry. The point I am making is.
Unless you have specialist knowledge, your opinion is is formed by what you read and hear, the media.
Boris & CO had to act before the media reported. So they followed the 'best advice'. Which turned out to be poor. Making the decisions is so much more difficult than criticising them.
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He has just pointed out why that's a poor argument. Perhaps you can look at what he said about other countries also taking similar advice? They even had more time to act than a lot of other countries. Some obscure countries have magically developed the ability to do tens of thousands of tests per day while in England they have to wait to the end of the month or whenever etc.
Where are they getting this advice? You can't shift the blame from an elected PM by saying he received bad advice, can't you see you are soft on him? Its his job to receive good advice. And he should have changed his advisors by now anyway. Poor all round.
posted on 14/4/20
Boris is a buffoon, clever but a buffoon. Most of what comes out of his mouth is rubbish or lies.
In this particular case it was rubbish, just not his rubbish.
posted on 14/4/20
comment by DoireDevilBhoy (U10745)
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Oh and for the record I think the government has got an awful lot wrong, but moaning for moanings sake doesn’t help.
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This is the understatement of all understatements. As every day passes we are beginning to see more and more the absolute mess that the UK government have made of this. It should be a national disgrace, but there will be those who ignore it and make excuses for it simply due to their political persuasion.
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Were you writing this at the time? Hindsight is a great thing. I do think it could have been done quicker, but they were taking advice not making it up.
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Yes I was actually. Living in the north of Ireland I have been in a position to compare and contrast the responses of the two local jurisdictions (Ireland and UK). And while the Irish response hasn’t been perfect, it is proving to to exponentially better than the UK response. While Boris was talking about herd immunity and bragging about shaking hands with people who were infected, other countries were closing schools, while the Irish officially didn’t go into lockdown till after the UK, we were de facto in lockdown almost two weeks before that (I work for a southern company and have been working from home for almost 5 weeks).
You say they were taking advice, but every other country was getting the same advise and very few, if any, interpreted it the same way as the UK. It has been a shambles from the start and to say anything less is blind stupidity tbh.
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Donegal?
posted on 14/4/20
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Oh and for the record I think the government has got an awful lot wrong, but moaning for moanings sake doesn’t help.
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This is the understatement of all understatements. As every day passes we are beginning to see more and more the absolute mess that the UK government have made of this. It should be a national disgrace, but there will be those who ignore it and make excuses for it simply due to their political persuasion.
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Were you writing this at the time? Hindsight is a great thing. I do think it could have been done quicker, but they were taking advice not making it up.
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Yes I was actually. Living in the north of Ireland I have been in a position to compare and contrast the responses of the two local jurisdictions (Ireland and UK). And while the Irish response hasn’t been perfect, it is proving to to exponentially better than the UK response. While Boris was talking about herd immunity and bragging about shaking hands with people who were infected, other countries were closing schools, while the Irish officially didn’t go into lockdown till after the UK, we were de facto in lockdown almost two weeks before that (I work for a southern company and have been working from home for almost 5 weeks).
You say they were taking advice, but every other country was getting the same advise and very few, if any, interpreted it the same way as the UK. It has been a shambles from the start and to say anything less is blind stupidity tbh.
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As I'm a lefties I find it easy to criticise Boris & Co. The handshakes were bravado that nearly killed him. Still it is a fact that the chief medical officer and the leading virologist? were publically
giving advice. Also there were other countries following the same line or more Eg Sweden.
Unless you work in the field and have expert knowledge you are just following your media of choice, like everyone else.
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His comparison of countries is "following his media of choice?" That doesn't even make sense IMO. He made a factual analysis to which I don't see a real response. Why defend the indefensible?
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I don't understand your first line, but not to worry. The point I am making is.
Unless you have specialist knowledge, your opinion is is formed by what you read and hear, the media.
Boris & CO had to act before the media reported. So they followed the 'best advice'. Which turned out to be poor. Making the decisions is so much more difficult than criticising them.
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No it’s not based on media of choice, it’s based on simple, and very sad, facts. The UK has had 178 deaths per million, Ireland have 74 (bare in mind the UK figure does not include care home figures, Ireland’s does and it makes up approx 40% of that total). They are apparently at a very similar stage in the virus curve. There are only 7 counties in the world with a higher rate than the UK, and 3 of those are minuscule countries in San Marino, Andorra and St Maarten. But your right, my opinion is just based on the media I choose to read 🤯
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Also they had seen what happened in other countries, especially Italy which locked down too late and were allowing Chinese tourists in, for fear of damaging the economy.
posted on 14/4/20
N Ireland has a population about the 5th the size of London in an area of land approximately 10 times the size.
What a surprise that social distancing is more effective and more readily achieved in these circumstances.
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comment by vidicthelegend VIVA LA REVOLUTION (U8735)
posted 22 minutes ago
Oh and for the record I think the government has got an awful lot wrong, but moaning for moanings sake doesn’t help.
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This is the understatement of all understatements. As every day passes we are beginning to see more and more the absolute mess that the UK government have made of this. It should be a national disgrace, but there will be those who ignore it and make excuses for it simply due to their political persuasion.
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Were you writing this at the time? Hindsight is a great thing. I do think it could have been done quicker, but they were taking advice not making it up.
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Yes I was actually. Living in the north of Ireland I have been in a position to compare and contrast the responses of the two local jurisdictions (Ireland and UK). And while the Irish response hasn’t been perfect, it is proving to to exponentially better than the UK response. While Boris was talking about herd immunity and bragging about shaking hands with people who were infected, other countries were closing schools, while the Irish officially didn’t go into lockdown till after the UK, we were de facto in lockdown almost two weeks before that (I work for a southern company and have been working from home for almost 5 weeks).
You say they were taking advice, but every other country was getting the same advise and very few, if any, interpreted it the same way as the UK. It has been a shambles from the start and to say anything less is blind stupidity tbh.
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As I'm a lefties I find it easy to criticise Boris & Co. The handshakes were bravado that nearly killed him. Still it is a fact that the chief medical officer and the leading virologist? were publically
giving advice. Also there were other countries following the same line or more Eg Sweden.
Unless you work in the field and have expert knowledge you are just following your media of choice, like everyone else.
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His comparison of countries is "following his media of choice?" That doesn't even make sense IMO. He made a factual analysis to which I don't see a real response. Why defend the indefensible?
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I don't understand your first line, but not to worry. The point I am making is.
Unless you have specialist knowledge, your opinion is is formed by what you read and hear, the media.
Boris & CO had to act before the media reported. So they followed the 'best advice'. Which turned out to be poor. Making the decisions is so much more difficult than criticising them.
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No it’s not based on media of choice, it’s based on simple, and very sad, facts. The UK has had 178 deaths per million, Ireland have 74 (bare in mind the UK figure does not include care home figures, Ireland’s does and it makes up approx 40% of that total). They are apparently at a very similar stage in the virus curve. There are only 7 counties in the world with a higher rate than the UK, and 3 of those are minuscule countries in San Marino, Andorra and St Maarten. But your right, my opinion is just based on the media I choose to read 🤯
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Also they had seen what happened in other countries, especially Italy which locked down too late and were allowing Chinese tourists in, for fear of damaging the economy.
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Exactly. In addition to the 3 I mentioned above Belgium, France, Spain and Italy are the others with with a higher rate of deaths per million. It’s widely acknowledged that Italy Spain and France were too slow to act, only two weeks ago the UK media were aghast at the numbers coming out of Italy, numbers which the Uk have now sadly passed. And again this is without care home figures. It is truly astounding that people are accepting this.
posted on 14/4/20
UK media were aghast at the numbers coming out of Italy, numbers which the Uk have now sadly passed. And again this is without care home figures.
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The same media that try and spin it that the government are doing a good job, or as good as can be expected.
posted on 14/4/20
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 minutes ago
N Ireland has a population about the 5th the size of London in an area of land approximately 10 times the size.
What a surprise that social distancing is more effective and more readily achieved in these circumstances.
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Whose comparing London with NI?? I initially compared government responses to Ireland not NI, and I have also given the facts of the world wide picture. We see daily the media lambast trump and the US, yet the UK are way ahead in per capita figures. But bury your head in the sand and think Boris and co have done their best 👍
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comment by vidicthelegend VIVA LA REVOLUTION (U8735)
posted 22 minutes ago
Oh and for the record I think the government has got an awful lot wrong, but moaning for moanings sake doesn’t help.
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This is the understatement of all understatements. As every day passes we are beginning to see more and more the absolute mess that the UK government have made of this. It should be a national disgrace, but there will be those who ignore it and make excuses for it simply due to their political persuasion.
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Were you writing this at the time? Hindsight is a great thing. I do think it could have been done quicker, but they were taking advice not making it up.
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Yes I was actually. Living in the north of Ireland I have been in a position to compare and contrast the responses of the two local jurisdictions (Ireland and UK). And while the Irish response hasn’t been perfect, it is proving to to exponentially better than the UK response. While Boris was talking about herd immunity and bragging about shaking hands with people who were infected, other countries were closing schools, while the Irish officially didn’t go into lockdown till after the UK, we were de facto in lockdown almost two weeks before that (I work for a southern company and have been working from home for almost 5 weeks).
You say they were taking advice, but every other country was getting the same advise and very few, if any, interpreted it the same way as the UK. It has been a shambles from the start and to say anything less is blind stupidity tbh.
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As I'm a lefties I find it easy to criticise Boris & Co. The handshakes were bravado that nearly killed him. Still it is a fact that the chief medical officer and the leading virologist? were publically
giving advice. Also there were other countries following the same line or more Eg Sweden.
Unless you work in the field and have expert knowledge you are just following your media of choice, like everyone else.
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His comparison of countries is "following his media of choice?" That doesn't even make sense IMO. He made a factual analysis to which I don't see a real response. Why defend the indefensible?
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I don't understand your first line, but not to worry. The point I am making is.
Unless you have specialist knowledge, your opinion is is formed by what you read and hear, the media.
Boris & CO had to act before the media reported. So they followed the 'best advice'. Which turned out to be poor. Making the decisions is so much more difficult than criticising them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No it’s not based on media of choice, it’s based on simple, and very sad, facts. The UK has had 178 deaths per million, Ireland have 74 (bare in mind the UK figure does not include care home figures, Ireland’s does and it makes up approx 40% of that total). They are apparently at a very similar stage in the virus curve. There are only 7 counties in the world with a higher rate than the UK, and 3 of those are minuscule countries in San Marino, Andorra and St Maarten. But your right, my opinion is just based on the media I choose to read 🤯
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Also they had seen what happened in other countries, especially Italy which locked down too late and were allowing Chinese tourists in, for fear of damaging the economy.
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Exactly. In addition to the 3 I mentioned above Belgium, France, Spain and Italy are the others with with a higher rate of deaths per million. It’s widely acknowledged that Italy Spain and France were too slow to act, only two weeks ago the UK media were aghast at the numbers coming out of Italy, numbers which the Uk have now sadly passed. And again this is without care home figures. It is truly astounding that people are accepting this.
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True. The response in Ireland was one I hoped we would have taken but regardless we were behind the mainland in terms of cases and spread and therefore we locked down at an 'OK' time but still not perfect.
The mainland was too late, which went in line with the herd immunity approach they thought was acceptable at the time. As soon as they saw the crazy figures in Italy, that approach quickly changed, as it was already too late for containment.
Once this gets down to manageable levels, they need to bring in mass testing and isolating positive cases and when this is acceptable, the economy needs to get back on track.
posted on 14/4/20
why the UK government wasted the couple of weeks head start in preparation they had over mainland europe
they wasted britain's natural advantage as an island nation by allowing flights to come in unchecked from facking everywhere
and they continue to be weeks behind the knowledge curve on this virus (face masks being the latest)
posted on 14/4/20
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comment by vidicthelegend VIVA LA REVOLUTION (U8735)
posted 22 minutes ago
Oh and for the record I think the government has got an awful lot wrong, but moaning for moanings sake doesn’t help.
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This is the understatement of all understatements. As every day passes we are beginning to see more and more the absolute mess that the UK government have made of this. It should be a national disgrace, but there will be those who ignore it and make excuses for it simply due to their political persuasion.
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Were you writing this at the time? Hindsight is a great thing. I do think it could have been done quicker, but they were taking advice not making it up.
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Yes I was actually. Living in the north of Ireland I have been in a position to compare and contrast the responses of the two local jurisdictions (Ireland and UK). And while the Irish response hasn’t been perfect, it is proving to to exponentially better than the UK response. While Boris was talking about herd immunity and bragging about shaking hands with people who were infected, other countries were closing schools, while the Irish officially didn’t go into lockdown till after the UK, we were de facto in lockdown almost two weeks before that (I work for a southern company and have been working from home for almost 5 weeks).
You say they were taking advice, but every other country was getting the same advise and very few, if any, interpreted it the same way as the UK. It has been a shambles from the start and to say anything less is blind stupidity tbh.
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As I'm a lefties I find it easy to criticise Boris & Co. The handshakes were bravado that nearly killed him. Still it is a fact that the chief medical officer and the leading virologist? were publically
giving advice. Also there were other countries following the same line or more Eg Sweden.
Unless you work in the field and have expert knowledge you are just following your media of choice, like everyone else.
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His comparison of countries is "following his media of choice?" That doesn't even make sense IMO. He made a factual analysis to which I don't see a real response. Why defend the indefensible?
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I don't understand your first line, but not to worry. The point I am making is.
Unless you have specialist knowledge, your opinion is is formed by what you read and hear, the media.
Boris & CO had to act before the media reported. So they followed the 'best advice'. Which turned out to be poor. Making the decisions is so much more difficult than criticising them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No it’s not based on media of choice, it’s based on simple, and very sad, facts. The UK has had 178 deaths per million, Ireland have 74 (bare in mind the UK figure does not include care home figures, Ireland’s does and it makes up approx 40% of that total). They are apparently at a very similar stage in the virus curve. There are only 7 counties in the world with a higher rate than the UK, and 3 of those are minuscule countries in San Marino, Andorra and St Maarten. But your right, my opinion is just based on the media I choose to read 🤯
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Also they had seen what happened in other countries, especially Italy which locked down too late and were allowing Chinese tourists in, for fear of damaging the economy.
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Exactly. In addition to the 3 I mentioned above Belgium, France, Spain and Italy are the others with with a higher rate of deaths per million. It’s widely acknowledged that Italy Spain and France were too slow to act, only two weeks ago the UK media were aghast at the numbers coming out of Italy, numbers which the Uk have now sadly passed. And again this is without care home figures. It is truly astounding that people are accepting this.
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True. The response in Ireland was one I hoped we would have taken but regardless we were behind the mainland in terms of cases and spread and therefore we locked down at an 'OK' time but still not perfect.
The mainland was too late, which went in line with the herd immunity approach they thought was acceptable at the time. As soon as they saw the crazy figures in Italy, that approach quickly changed, as it was already too late for containment.
Once this gets down to manageable levels, they need to bring in mass testing and isolating positive cases and when this is acceptable, the economy needs to get back on track.
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Yeah I think we in NI were also very slow to react as well, and when you take our figures on their one they are actually very alarming.
posted on 14/4/20
Does that mean the other half are in Don't Care homes?
posted on 14/4/20
comment by goadocwatson (U1016)
posted 3 minutes ago
Does that mean the other half are in Don't Care homes?
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https://bbc.in/2xj2KDy
posted on 14/4/20
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8210271/BBC-bosses-warning-interviewers-not-ministers-pressure-coronavirus-crisis.html
Has anyone read this?
'The BBC in general is simply not prepared to take the government to task and hold its feet to the fire.'
Our press aren't doing their jobs properly.
posted on 14/4/20
"We're sorry that people feel we don't care"
posted on 14/4/20
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comment by vidicthelegend VIVA LA REVOLUTION (U8735)
posted 22 minutes ago
Oh and for the record I think the government has got an awful lot wrong, but moaning for moanings sake doesn’t help.
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This is the understatement of all understatements. As every day passes we are beginning to see more and more the absolute mess that the UK government have made of this. It should be a national disgrace, but there will be those who ignore it and make excuses for it simply due to their political persuasion.
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Were you writing this at the time? Hindsight is a great thing. I do think it could have been done quicker, but they were taking advice not making it up.
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Yes I was actually. Living in the north of Ireland I have been in a position to compare and contrast the responses of the two local jurisdictions (Ireland and UK). And while the Irish response hasn’t been perfect, it is proving to to exponentially better than the UK response. While Boris was talking about herd immunity and bragging about shaking hands with people who were infected, other countries were closing schools, while the Irish officially didn’t go into lockdown till after the UK, we were de facto in lockdown almost two weeks before that (I work for a southern company and have been working from home for almost 5 weeks).
You say they were taking advice, but every other country was getting the same advise and very few, if any, interpreted it the same way as the UK. It has been a shambles from the start and to say anything less is blind stupidity tbh.
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As I'm a lefties I find it easy to criticise Boris & Co. The handshakes were bravado that nearly killed him. Still it is a fact that the chief medical officer and the leading virologist? were publically
giving advice. Also there were other countries following the same line or more Eg Sweden.
Unless you work in the field and have expert knowledge you are just following your media of choice, like everyone else.
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His comparison of countries is "following his media of choice?" That doesn't even make sense IMO. He made a factual analysis to which I don't see a real response. Why defend the indefensible?
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I don't understand your first line, but not to worry. The point I am making is.
Unless you have specialist knowledge, your opinion is is formed by what you read and hear, the media.
Boris & CO had to act before the media reported. So they followed the 'best advice'. Which turned out to be poor. Making the decisions is so much more difficult than criticising them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No it’s not based on media of choice, it’s based on simple, and very sad, facts. The UK has had 178 deaths per million, Ireland have 74 (bare in mind the UK figure does not include care home figures, Ireland’s does and it makes up approx 40% of that total). They are apparently at a very similar stage in the virus curve. There are only 7 counties in the world with a higher rate than the UK, and 3 of those are minuscule countries in San Marino, Andorra and St Maarten. But your right, my opinion is just based on the media I choose to read 🤯
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Also they had seen what happened in other countries, especially Italy which locked down too late and were allowing Chinese tourists in, for fear of damaging the economy.
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Exactly. In addition to the 3 I mentioned above Belgium, France, Spain and Italy are the others with with a higher rate of deaths per million. It’s widely acknowledged that Italy Spain and France were too slow to act, only two weeks ago the UK media were aghast at the numbers coming out of Italy, numbers which the Uk have now sadly passed. And again this is without care home figures. It is truly astounding that people are accepting this.
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True. The response in Ireland was one I hoped we would have taken but regardless we were behind the mainland in terms of cases and spread and therefore we locked down at an 'OK' time but still not perfect.
The mainland was too late, which went in line with the herd immunity approach they thought was acceptable at the time. As soon as they saw the crazy figures in Italy, that approach quickly changed, as it was already too late for containment.
Once this gets down to manageable levels, they need to bring in mass testing and isolating positive cases and when this is acceptable, the economy needs to get back on track.
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Yeah I think we in NI were also very slow to react as well, and when you take our figures on their one they are actually very alarming.
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Well yes but I think we had a better chance of 'getting away with it' due to the much smaller numbers. Of course the response was in line with the mainland response, although I do think the politicians here, for once, need to get some credit for working together and not fighting each other, just to be contrary and things actually getting done because of it.
I'm sure it will go back to normal when this is over.
posted on 14/4/20
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posted on 15/4/20
One of the reasons for half of the deaths being in care homes may be because too many people can't be bothered to take care of their own ageing family. It used to be considered dutiful and not just a nuisance.
posted on 15/4/20
comment by goadocwatson (U1016)
posted 5 hours, 28 minutes ago
One of the reasons for half of the deaths being in care homes may be because too many people can't be bothered to take care of their own ageing family. It used to be considered dutiful and not just a nuisance.
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I beg your pardon?
Are you a Boris Johnson supporter by any chance?
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