comment by Hot Shot Hamish (U21959)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Hot Shot Hamish (U21959)
posted 3 minutes ago

Just what is it that anyone thinks has happened that was so bad?
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I don't have a clue but lets be honest here - the whole Dundees decisive vote got stuck in a quarantine folder and wasn't discovered for 3 1/2 hours meanwhile the SPFL published incomplete results of the vote, alerting Dundee to the position of power they were in and suddenly Dundee then have a change of heart and decide to change the vote they had absolutely already cast for mysterious reasons only they know, absolutely stinks to high heaven.

Pure speculation but you could envisage a scenario whereby the SPFL went looking for and found Dundees vote in the quarantine folder, understood it was decisive in causing the whole proposal to fail (I can read emails that go into my trash folders without opening them using the preview window) and then set about manufacturing the situation which resulted of Dundee being alerted and then being 'persuaded' to change their vote.

There would be no real trail of evidence that this happened in this way. The Dundee vote would be 'unread' in the quarantine folder and there would be nothing really to hold against the SPFL other than a slightly above normal degree of incompetence in the shambolic nature of how it played out. They got there in the end.

However if there was someone present whilst this dastardly scheme was carried out who was willing to turn whistleblower…….!!??
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If you think that genuinely then I'd want to hear or read of some testimony from the whistleblower.

What you surmise isn't impossible of course but it would need backing up with something.

And again if that's what it was, why not just say so?

What would be wrong with saying "We have a guy here who says that this is a downright lie and there was collaboration between the SPFL and Dundee to persuade them to change their minds"?
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If it is something like this (which I don't really believe it is but I will go with it) then the whistleblower might be an employee at Hampden who is still collecting information on behalf of Rangers.

If Rangers showed their full hand and admitted their whistleblower was part of the set up at Hampden then that person would be compromised immediately.

The longer they keep shtum then the more they know about what is happening behind the scenes at Hampden.
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But they claim to already have the evidence at a sufficient enough level so again, why wait?

Especially when they urgently need support?

Makes no sense at all.

Mind you, they could release it tonight

comment by super phoenix rangers - Banana Lawyer (U14864)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
As far as I know; not one single other club has joined forces other than the 3 mentioned.

Not a single one.

Rangers need 29 in total. How about sharing the dossier and get more onside to deliver what they want?

I mean that would be the sensible thing to do wouldn't it?
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Which I believe they have said they will do and are following the correct procedures.

They raised a resolution with their concerns.

Meeting agreed and arranged to discuss resolution with rangers saying they will brief clubs ahead of this meeting.

What do you think they should do differently?
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Start briefing clubs asap.

They need 26 more from the remaining 36. They haven't got the grace of time now. St Mirren have already declared and there are strong rumblings from practically the entirety of the lower divisions that they can't be rsed with all this and want to focus on more important matters (to them)

Did Rangers only share their dossier with those two other clubs? They claimed to have this evidence ages so there seems no reason not to issue it to ALL members, rather than the two who just might be judged to have a vested interest. Unlike Rangers of course, who do not have a vested interest: allegedly.

comment by Tully 1 (U20686)
posted 53 seconds ago
Did Rangers only share their dossier with those two other clubs? They claimed to have this evidence ages so there seems no reason not to issue it to ALL members, rather than the two who just might be judged to have a vested interest. Unlike Rangers of course, who do not have a vested interest: allegedly.
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Nope

Neither of those clubs have seen any evidence either.

You can understand why they blindly joined in mind

Every club has a vested interest one way or another. Some feel wronged by the result, others got a result that helped or didn't hurt them and don't really care. Let's not act like it's three teams that are acting in their own interest but everyone else was altruistic

So the question still remains who did Rangers share their evidence with? For the supposed champions of openess they sure have a strange way of demonstrating it.

So we have a celtic poster saying rangers have shared the evidence with Stranraer and hearts!! We also have another celtic poster saying rangers did share the evidence!! What this means is that there are celtic posters who are quite prepared to tell lies to put the boot into rangers!! There is really no point in debating with these types as they will just lie, deflect, move goalposts and say what they want as long as the end result is to discredit rangers!! It is truly pathetic!!

comment by Miller (U9310)
posted 2 minutes ago
Every club has a vested interest one way or another. Some feel wronged by the result, others got a result that helped or didn't hurt them and don't really care. Let's not act like it's three teams that are acting in their own interest but everyone else was altruistic
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Fair enough. But let's not pretend either that those three may have much more of a vested interest/ du ious motives than others.

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Tully 1 (U20686)
posted 53 seconds ago
Did Rangers only share their dossier with those two other clubs? They claimed to have this evidence ages so there seems no reason not to issue it to ALL members, rather than the two who just might be judged to have a vested interest. Unlike Rangers of course, who do not have a vested interest: allegedly.
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Nope

Neither of those clubs have seen any evidence either.

You can understand why they blindly joined in mind
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Aberdeen werent relegated and we'll out of title race. They are saying there should be an investigation regardless of any evidence from rangers.

They aren't exactly pals of ours

comment by Miller (U9310)
posted 3 minutes ago
Every club has a vested interest one way or another. Some feel wronged by the result, others got a result that helped or didn't hurt them and don't really care. Let's not act like it's three teams that are acting in their own interest but everyone else was altruistic
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Sorry but it is just 3 teams acting in their own interests. That is why Rangers need to get this dossier out to the others and make it more than 3 teams otherwise no inquiry will be held.

I actually understand any team acting in their own interest even if that interest is to get one over a rival.

Hearts; I just do not understand. She needs the support of the premier league clubs for league restructure. Way to go Ann.

comment by super phoenix rangers - Banana Lawyer (U14864)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Tully 1 (U20686)
posted 53 seconds ago
Did Rangers only share their dossier with those two other clubs? They claimed to have this evidence ages so there seems no reason not to issue it to ALL members, rather than the two who just might be judged to have a vested interest. Unlike Rangers of course, who do not have a vested interest: allegedly.
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Nope

Neither of those clubs have seen any evidence either.

You can understand why they blindly joined in mind
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Aberdeen werent relegated and we'll out of title race. They are saying there should be an investigation regardless of any evidence from rangers.

They aren't exactly pals of ours
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Oh well; let's have this investigation.

26 to go

comment by (U22371)
posted 26 seconds ago
So we have a celtic poster saying rangers have shared the evidence with Stranraer and hearts!! We also have another celtic poster saying rangers did share the evidence!! What this means is that there are celtic posters who are quite prepared to tell lies to put the boot into rangers!! There is really no point in debating with these types as they will just lie, deflect, move goalposts and say what they want as long as the end result is to discredit rangers!! It is truly pathetic!!
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Who said that Rangers shared their evidence with Hearts and Stranraer? Or was that what you wanted to hear??

comment by Tully 1 (U20686)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by (U22371)
posted 26 seconds ago
So we have a celtic poster saying rangers have shared the evidence with Stranraer and hearts!! We also have another celtic poster saying rangers did share the evidence!! What this means is that there are celtic posters who are quite prepared to tell lies to put the boot into rangers!! There is really no point in debating with these types as they will just lie, deflect, move goalposts and say what they want as long as the end result is to discredit rangers!! It is truly pathetic!!
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Who said that Rangers shared their evidence with Hearts and Stranraer? Or was that what you wanted to hear??
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Fwcking hell

Also isn't it possible that some evidence needs to be redacted to protect people if the evidence would make it obvious who provided it?

Maybe even something they have agreed with provider of said evidence?

comment by super phoenix rangers - Banana Lawyer (U14864)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Tully 1 (U20686)
posted 53 seconds ago
Did Rangers only share their dossier with those two other clubs? They claimed to have this evidence ages so there seems no reason not to issue it to ALL members, rather than the two who just might be judged to have a vested interest. Unlike Rangers of course, who do not have a vested interest: allegedly.
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Nope

Neither of those clubs have seen any evidence either.

You can understand why they blindly joined in mind
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Aberdeen werent relegated and we'll out of title race. They are saying there should be an investigation regardless of any evidence from rangers.

They aren't exactly pals of ours
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Listen mate

I do want this investigation too

Because I'm dying to read this dossier

comment by (U22371)
posted 3 minutes ago
So we have a celtic poster saying rangers have shared the evidence with Stranraer and hearts!! We also have another celtic poster saying rangers did share the evidence!! What this means is that there are celtic posters who are quite prepared to tell lies to put the boot into rangers!! There is really no point in debating with these types as they will just lie, deflect, move goalposts and say what they want as long as the end result is to discredit rangers!! It is truly pathetic!!
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Think you may have read the posts wrong, best read them again, the question was asked did rangers share the evidence with Hearts and Stranraer not that they did share the evidence with Hearts and Stranraer 👍

comment by super phoenix rangers - Banana Lawyer (U14864)
posted 21 seconds ago
Also isn't it possible that some evidence needs to be redacted to protect people if the evidence would make it obvious who provided it?

Maybe even something they have agreed with provider of said evidence?


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Quite possible yes; but again they have had this dossier for some time now and have been actively driving the agenda.

You'd like to have believed they'd have thought of things like that before going public with their statements.

comment by super phoenix rangers - Banana Lawyer (U14864)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Tully 1 (U20686)
posted 53 seconds ago
Did Rangers only share their dossier with those two other clubs? They claimed to have this evidence ages so there seems no reason not to issue it to ALL members, rather than the two who just might be judged to have a vested interest. Unlike Rangers of course, who do not have a vested interest: allegedly.
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Nope

Neither of those clubs have seen any evidence either.

You can understand why they blindly joined in mind
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Aberdeen werent relegated and we'll out of title race. They are saying there should be an investigation regardless of any evidence from rangers.

They aren't exactly pals of ours
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They're just taking the huff because they were called irrelevant?

comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - Banana Lawyer (U14864)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Tully 1 (U20686)
posted 53 seconds ago
Did Rangers only share their dossier with those two other clubs? They claimed to have this evidence ages so there seems no reason not to issue it to ALL members, rather than the two who just might be judged to have a vested interest. Unlike Rangers of course, who do not have a vested interest: allegedly.
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Nope

Neither of those clubs have seen any evidence either.

You can understand why they blindly joined in mind
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Aberdeen werent relegated and we'll out of title race. They are saying there should be an investigation regardless of any evidence from rangers.

They aren't exactly pals of ours
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They're just taking the huff because they were called irrelevant?
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Hahahaha

There was that of course

Wouldn't it be funny if it all came down to the wire and Celtic had voted to go with Rangers requisition.

Then at the very last minute.......

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - Banana Lawyer (U14864)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Tully 1 (U20686)
posted 53 seconds ago
Did Rangers only share their dossier with those two other clubs? They claimed to have this evidence ages so there seems no reason not to issue it to ALL members, rather than the two who just might be judged to have a vested interest. Unlike Rangers of course, who do not have a vested interest: allegedly.
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Nope

Neither of those clubs have seen any evidence either.

You can understand why they blindly joined in mind
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Aberdeen werent relegated and we'll out of title race. They are saying there should be an investigation regardless of any evidence from rangers.

They aren't exactly pals of ours
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They're just taking the huff because they were called irrelevant?
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Hahahaha

There was that of course
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Aye to be fair that was a shambles too. Fairly justified reason to be honest

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 31 seconds ago
Wouldn't it be funny if it all came down to the wire and Celtic had voted to go with Rangers requisition.

Then at the very last minute.......
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Whistleblower away of on DD's yacht.

Does he have a yacht? Looks like a yachty type.

comment by super phoenix rangers - Banana Lawyer (U14864)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - Banana Lawyer (U14864)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Tully 1 (U20686)
posted 53 seconds ago
Did Rangers only share their dossier with those two other clubs? They claimed to have this evidence ages so there seems no reason not to issue it to ALL members, rather than the two who just might be judged to have a vested interest. Unlike Rangers of course, who do not have a vested interest: allegedly.
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Nope

Neither of those clubs have seen any evidence either.

You can understand why they blindly joined in mind
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Aberdeen werent relegated and we'll out of title race. They are saying there should be an investigation regardless of any evidence from rangers.

They aren't exactly pals of ours
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They're just taking the huff because they were called irrelevant?
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Hahahaha

There was that of course
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Aye to be fair that was a shambles too. Fairly justified reason to be honest
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Come on.

You'd have loved to have been the one who picked up the phone "This Aberdeen football club? You're irrelevant. Bye"

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - Banana Lawyer (U14864)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - Banana Lawyer (U14864)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Tully 1 (U20686)
posted 53 seconds ago
Did Rangers only share their dossier with those two other clubs? They claimed to have this evidence ages so there seems no reason not to issue it to ALL members, rather than the two who just might be judged to have a vested interest. Unlike Rangers of course, who do not have a vested interest: allegedly.
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Nope

Neither of those clubs have seen any evidence either.

You can understand why they blindly joined in mind
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Aberdeen werent relegated and we'll out of title race. They are saying there should be an investigation regardless of any evidence from rangers.

They aren't exactly pals of ours
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They're just taking the huff because they were called irrelevant?
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Hahahaha

There was that of course
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Aye to be fair that was a shambles too. Fairly justified reason to be honest
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Come on.

You'd have loved to have been the one who picked up the phone "This Aberdeen football club? You're irrelevant. Bye"
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I would have loved to make the call

comment by super phoenix rangers - Banana Lawyer (U14864)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 31 seconds ago
Wouldn't it be funny if it all came down to the wire and Celtic had voted to go with Rangers requisition.

Then at the very last minute.......
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Whistleblower away of on DD's yacht.

Does he have a yacht? Looks like a yachty type.
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Fuxakes, don't go starting any more conspiracies