Player 37 games
And neutral is games is just utter bollox
If games can’t be played at home games, season shouldn’t start
Why bollox?
Assuming home games can't be played, what is a fairer alternative?
comment by LIW Radchancer (U8453)
posted 3 seconds ago
Player 37 games
And neutral is games is just utter bollox
If games can’t be played at home games, season shouldn’t start
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Understand matches being played at home stadia is a non-starter as long as social distancing is in force.
As it is believed some fans would congregate outside, which would in turn place additional strains on police resources.
Because let’s just say you’ve four home games in the prem left
Man City
Liverpool
Chelsea
Spurs
How the hell is it fair, to place them at a neutral ground
It’s completely distorts the league
If it’s not safe enough to play at home grounds, don’t start till it is safe
Fudging games is just plain wrong
distancing is in force.
As it is believed some fans would congregate outside, which would in turn place additional strains on police resources.
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What would stop me them going to neutral ground.
to be fair if there's no fans anyway, then I don't think there's too much of a dis-advantage, sort of leaning with Faith on this.
but, what I don't get, is what benifit does neutral grounds have anyway? - am I being thick?
comment by LIW Radchancer (U8453)
posted 7 minutes ago
distancing is in force.
As it is believed some fans would congregate outside, which would in turn place additional strains on police resources.
———————-
What would stop me them going to neutral ground.
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Exactly. I think any chance of football returning whilst social distancing in place is fanciful.
to be fair if there's no fans anyway, then I don't think there's too much of a dis-advantage, sort of leaning with Faith on this.
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So in non league, where there is one man and his dog, there is no difference in results home and away ???
You've written an article on Integrity and then used these words:
"It will be less fair on some clubs than others"
You've killed your own argument stone dead.
Integrity is either compromised or not, you can`t have `a little bit` or `30%` compromised, once the season was postponed, whatever would then happen to the rest of it became unfair from that moment onward.
Once you change any rule part way through a season, integrity is then breached from that moment.
comment by LIW Radchancer (U8453)
posted 9 minutes ago
to be fair if there's no fans anyway, then I don't think there's too much of a dis-advantage, sort of leaning with Faith on this.
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So in non league, where there is one man and his dog, there is no difference in results home and away ???
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No, I don't think so to be honest. have you ever played ametuer football or sport? - did you notice any difference at all? - I know I didn't / don't.
But we're talking pro-level here arn't we?
Again though, what diffenernce does it make anyway? - why can't they just play home and away as normal? - what benifit would neutral grounds have anyway?
If the concern is that fans will congregate outside grounds, then surely the same problem will still exist next season, as I think it unlikely that social distancing will be relaxed for many months. So your logic is pointing towards abandoning next season as well?
comment by JackCharlton (U19203)
posted 1 minute ago
If the concern is that fans will congregate outside grounds, then surely the same problem will still exist next season, as I think it unlikely that social distancing will be relaxed for many months. So your logic is pointing towards abandoning next season as well?
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ooohh is that the reason for neutral grounds? - right
comment by The Spanish Italians - its all going to end in tears (U21595)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by LIW Radchancer (U8453)
posted 9 minutes ago
to be fair if there's no fans anyway, then I don't think there's too much of a dis-advantage, sort of leaning with Faith on this.
——————
So in non league, where there is one man and his dog, there is no difference in results home and away ???
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No, I don't think so to be honest. have you ever played ametuer football or sport? - did you notice any difference at all? - I know I didn't / don't.
But we're talking pro-level here arn't we?
Again though, what diffenernce does it make anyway? - why can't they just play home and away as normal? - what benifit would neutral grounds have anyway?
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Of course it makes a difference. Take the National League North as an example. Look at the below link and see how many clubs have earned 20+ points at home compared to away.
https://www.soccerstats.com/homeaway.asp?league=england6
You can't say that's down to crowds only, not at that level.
Champers, right yeah fair play
I fully accept that the use of neutral venues does affect things and is inherently unfair, for all the reasons stated above.
But, sadly, having players, coaches and fans invest in 75% of the season chasing titles, promotion, qualification for Europe or avoidance of relegation, only to have it voided and count for nothing 80% of the way through, also damages the integrity of the sport.
It seems to me, that only way to avoid such damage is to complete the season as and when it's possible to do so safely.
But the money men - and the whole financial aspect, from sponsorship to transfers - seem to have insisted that that isn't possible.
So, perhaps, the question should be what is the least unfair way to end this season?
Personally, I'd say that for all its faults, the neutral venues isn't a terrible option.
When I played about of Sunday league football.
Playing at home was always an advantage
What sports you been playing pal
comment by RadebeTedd (U17015)
posted 1 minute ago
I fully accept that the use of neutral venues does affect things and is inherently unfair, for all the reasons stated above.
But, sadly, having players, coaches and fans invest in 75% of the season chasing titles, promotion, qualification for Europe or avoidance of relegation, only to have it voided and count for nothing 80% of the way through, also damages the integrity of the sport.
It seems to me, that only way to avoid such damage is to complete the season as and when it's possible to do so safely.
But the money men - and the whole financial aspect, from sponsorship to transfers - seem to have insisted that that isn't possible.
So, perhaps, the question should be what is the least unfair way to end this season?
Personally, I'd say that for all its faults, the neutral venues isn't a terrible option.
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I wasn't for it at all at first, but I've come around to the idea of promotions but no relegations as the fairest possible outcome, with a bumper double number relegation situation next season, whenever that might be to get the leagues back to size.
The only games I'd be looking at doing behind closed doors if they really have to, would be the Premier League to sort out Euro places if necessary (but under no circumstances should neutral venues even be considered in the slightest for the exact same reason as my previous link) to a conclusion, and in the interest of fairness, play offs, which could be completed in under a fortnight.
Nobody could claim they've not had a fair shot at promotion (save for those not in but chasing a play off spot - legal challenges would be quite futile as not only do you need to get the play off spot, but win them also - balance of probability against all teams in this scenario), nobody gets relegated so nobody can gripe about that, and we don't have to go through the logistical planning nightmares that we have at the moment.
Null and void shouldn't even be considered.
comment by JackCharlton (U19203)
posted 15 minutes ago
If the concern is that fans will congregate outside grounds, then surely the same problem will still exist next season, as I think it unlikely that social distancing will be relaxed for many months. So your logic is pointing towards abandoning next season as well?
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There are glory supporting Man Utd and Pool fans in every town or city in the country, so they will still have morons turning up to congregate outside their local stadium.
I’ve not really been following this tbh - are they wanting to finish the season to honour tv contracts? Because it seems pointless to play games if there is no relegation and the title is a mere formality
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by JackCharlton (U19203)
posted 15 minutes ago
If the concern is that fans will congregate outside grounds, then surely the same problem will still exist next season, as I think it unlikely that social distancing will be relaxed for many months. So your logic is pointing towards abandoning next season as well?
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There are glory supporting Man Utd and Pool fans in every town or city in the country, so they will still have morons turning up to congregate outside their local stadium.
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Be the closest many get to actually going to a game
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 36 seconds ago
I’ve not really been following this tbh - are they wanting to finish the season to honour tv contracts? Because it seems pointless to play games if there is no relegation and the title is a mere formality
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The PL title is a mere formality already
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 36 seconds ago
I’ve not really been following this tbh - are they wanting to finish the season to honour tv contracts? Because it seems pointless to play games if there is no relegation and the title is a mere formality
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The PL title is a mere formality already
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That’s what I mean
comment by LIW Radchancer (U8453)
posted 22 minutes ago
When I played about of Sunday league football.
Playing at home was always an advantage
What sports you been playing pal
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Cricket, and football when I was younger, I can honeslty say home or away made no difference to us, the corwds were just two oposition parents..
Boxing at diffenret gyms was intimedating, I'll give you that !! - but that was due to crowds, thats not what we're saying is it?
Now, as a rugby league coach, and the open age team just feels like we're playing on any pitch anywhere if there's no crowd.
Did you get crowds? - because we have to take crowds out of this, can you honestly say that a biut of grass in two different districts make a difference to how you play?
LIW - having said all the above mate, at prem level where teams will train specifically for the size of the pitch maybe, or the know the bobble in the grass or whatever, that would be at some advantage I reckon
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posted on 4/5/20
Player 37 games
And neutral is games is just utter bollox
If games can’t be played at home games, season shouldn’t start
posted on 4/5/20
Why bollox?
Assuming home games can't be played, what is a fairer alternative?
posted on 4/5/20
comment by LIW Radchancer (U8453)
posted 3 seconds ago
Player 37 games
And neutral is games is just utter bollox
If games can’t be played at home games, season shouldn’t start
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Understand matches being played at home stadia is a non-starter as long as social distancing is in force.
As it is believed some fans would congregate outside, which would in turn place additional strains on police resources.
posted on 4/5/20
Because let’s just say you’ve four home games in the prem left
Man City
Liverpool
Chelsea
Spurs
How the hell is it fair, to place them at a neutral ground
It’s completely distorts the league
If it’s not safe enough to play at home grounds, don’t start till it is safe
Fudging games is just plain wrong
posted on 4/5/20
distancing is in force.
As it is believed some fans would congregate outside, which would in turn place additional strains on police resources.
———————-
What would stop me them going to neutral ground.
posted on 4/5/20
to be fair if there's no fans anyway, then I don't think there's too much of a dis-advantage, sort of leaning with Faith on this.
but, what I don't get, is what benifit does neutral grounds have anyway? - am I being thick?
posted on 4/5/20
comment by LIW Radchancer (U8453)
posted 7 minutes ago
distancing is in force.
As it is believed some fans would congregate outside, which would in turn place additional strains on police resources.
———————-
What would stop me them going to neutral ground.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Exactly. I think any chance of football returning whilst social distancing in place is fanciful.
posted on 4/5/20
to be fair if there's no fans anyway, then I don't think there's too much of a dis-advantage, sort of leaning with Faith on this.
——————
So in non league, where there is one man and his dog, there is no difference in results home and away ???
posted on 4/5/20
You've written an article on Integrity and then used these words:
"It will be less fair on some clubs than others"
You've killed your own argument stone dead.
posted on 4/5/20
Integrity is either compromised or not, you can`t have `a little bit` or `30%` compromised, once the season was postponed, whatever would then happen to the rest of it became unfair from that moment onward.
Once you change any rule part way through a season, integrity is then breached from that moment.
posted on 4/5/20
comment by LIW Radchancer (U8453)
posted 9 minutes ago
to be fair if there's no fans anyway, then I don't think there's too much of a dis-advantage, sort of leaning with Faith on this.
——————
So in non league, where there is one man and his dog, there is no difference in results home and away ???
--------------------
No, I don't think so to be honest. have you ever played ametuer football or sport? - did you notice any difference at all? - I know I didn't / don't.
But we're talking pro-level here arn't we?
Again though, what diffenernce does it make anyway? - why can't they just play home and away as normal? - what benifit would neutral grounds have anyway?
posted on 4/5/20
If the concern is that fans will congregate outside grounds, then surely the same problem will still exist next season, as I think it unlikely that social distancing will be relaxed for many months. So your logic is pointing towards abandoning next season as well?
posted on 4/5/20
comment by JackCharlton (U19203)
posted 1 minute ago
If the concern is that fans will congregate outside grounds, then surely the same problem will still exist next season, as I think it unlikely that social distancing will be relaxed for many months. So your logic is pointing towards abandoning next season as well?
----------
ooohh is that the reason for neutral grounds? - right
posted on 4/5/20
comment by The Spanish Italians - its all going to end in tears (U21595)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by LIW Radchancer (U8453)
posted 9 minutes ago
to be fair if there's no fans anyway, then I don't think there's too much of a dis-advantage, sort of leaning with Faith on this.
——————
So in non league, where there is one man and his dog, there is no difference in results home and away ???
--------------------
No, I don't think so to be honest. have you ever played ametuer football or sport? - did you notice any difference at all? - I know I didn't / don't.
But we're talking pro-level here arn't we?
Again though, what diffenernce does it make anyway? - why can't they just play home and away as normal? - what benifit would neutral grounds have anyway?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course it makes a difference. Take the National League North as an example. Look at the below link and see how many clubs have earned 20+ points at home compared to away.
https://www.soccerstats.com/homeaway.asp?league=england6
You can't say that's down to crowds only, not at that level.
posted on 4/5/20
Champers, right yeah fair play
posted on 4/5/20
I fully accept that the use of neutral venues does affect things and is inherently unfair, for all the reasons stated above.
But, sadly, having players, coaches and fans invest in 75% of the season chasing titles, promotion, qualification for Europe or avoidance of relegation, only to have it voided and count for nothing 80% of the way through, also damages the integrity of the sport.
It seems to me, that only way to avoid such damage is to complete the season as and when it's possible to do so safely.
But the money men - and the whole financial aspect, from sponsorship to transfers - seem to have insisted that that isn't possible.
So, perhaps, the question should be what is the least unfair way to end this season?
Personally, I'd say that for all its faults, the neutral venues isn't a terrible option.
posted on 4/5/20
When I played about of Sunday league football.
Playing at home was always an advantage
What sports you been playing pal
posted on 4/5/20
comment by RadebeTedd (U17015)
posted 1 minute ago
I fully accept that the use of neutral venues does affect things and is inherently unfair, for all the reasons stated above.
But, sadly, having players, coaches and fans invest in 75% of the season chasing titles, promotion, qualification for Europe or avoidance of relegation, only to have it voided and count for nothing 80% of the way through, also damages the integrity of the sport.
It seems to me, that only way to avoid such damage is to complete the season as and when it's possible to do so safely.
But the money men - and the whole financial aspect, from sponsorship to transfers - seem to have insisted that that isn't possible.
So, perhaps, the question should be what is the least unfair way to end this season?
Personally, I'd say that for all its faults, the neutral venues isn't a terrible option.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I wasn't for it at all at first, but I've come around to the idea of promotions but no relegations as the fairest possible outcome, with a bumper double number relegation situation next season, whenever that might be to get the leagues back to size.
The only games I'd be looking at doing behind closed doors if they really have to, would be the Premier League to sort out Euro places if necessary (but under no circumstances should neutral venues even be considered in the slightest for the exact same reason as my previous link) to a conclusion, and in the interest of fairness, play offs, which could be completed in under a fortnight.
Nobody could claim they've not had a fair shot at promotion (save for those not in but chasing a play off spot - legal challenges would be quite futile as not only do you need to get the play off spot, but win them also - balance of probability against all teams in this scenario), nobody gets relegated so nobody can gripe about that, and we don't have to go through the logistical planning nightmares that we have at the moment.
Null and void shouldn't even be considered.
posted on 4/5/20
comment by JackCharlton (U19203)
posted 15 minutes ago
If the concern is that fans will congregate outside grounds, then surely the same problem will still exist next season, as I think it unlikely that social distancing will be relaxed for many months. So your logic is pointing towards abandoning next season as well?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There are glory supporting Man Utd and Pool fans in every town or city in the country, so they will still have morons turning up to congregate outside their local stadium.
posted on 4/5/20
I’ve not really been following this tbh - are they wanting to finish the season to honour tv contracts? Because it seems pointless to play games if there is no relegation and the title is a mere formality
posted on 4/5/20
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by JackCharlton (U19203)
posted 15 minutes ago
If the concern is that fans will congregate outside grounds, then surely the same problem will still exist next season, as I think it unlikely that social distancing will be relaxed for many months. So your logic is pointing towards abandoning next season as well?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There are glory supporting Man Utd and Pool fans in every town or city in the country, so they will still have morons turning up to congregate outside their local stadium.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Be the closest many get to actually going to a game
posted on 4/5/20
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 36 seconds ago
I’ve not really been following this tbh - are they wanting to finish the season to honour tv contracts? Because it seems pointless to play games if there is no relegation and the title is a mere formality
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The PL title is a mere formality already
posted on 4/5/20
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 36 seconds ago
I’ve not really been following this tbh - are they wanting to finish the season to honour tv contracts? Because it seems pointless to play games if there is no relegation and the title is a mere formality
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The PL title is a mere formality already
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That’s what I mean
posted on 4/5/20
comment by LIW Radchancer (U8453)
posted 22 minutes ago
When I played about of Sunday league football.
Playing at home was always an advantage
What sports you been playing pal
-----------------
Cricket, and football when I was younger, I can honeslty say home or away made no difference to us, the corwds were just two oposition parents..
Boxing at diffenret gyms was intimedating, I'll give you that !! - but that was due to crowds, thats not what we're saying is it?
Now, as a rugby league coach, and the open age team just feels like we're playing on any pitch anywhere if there's no crowd.
Did you get crowds? - because we have to take crowds out of this, can you honestly say that a biut of grass in two different districts make a difference to how you play?
posted on 4/5/20
LIW - having said all the above mate, at prem level where teams will train specifically for the size of the pitch maybe, or the know the bobble in the grass or whatever, that would be at some advantage I reckon
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